Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: The Seven Bays Window Cleaning Company on October 20, 2008, 09:55:41 pm
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My L5 Heater arrived today from the States - less than a week from ordering :)
A well made, very compact unit - that should fit nicley on the back door of my van -
Just need a few bits, and a gas bottle to get it going.
I'll let you know how I get on.
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how much marc , if you dont mind me asking. hope that sorts ur salt problem out
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Works out , including delivery about £78
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looks impresive do you have a link for this?
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sounds a good price marc . picked up 13 customers last week :)
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13 -good effort Dale... was that from doorknocking?
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Hi Chris..
Yes , it was brought from these chappies..
www.goenergysystems.com/Eccotemp_L5_p/l5.htm
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Can't wait to pics of it working!!!
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Hi Chris..
Yes , it was brought from these chappies..
www.goenergysystems.com/Eccotemp_L5_p/l5.htm
thanks
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Hay Nathanael.
Did you get my mail concerning the relays?
Do I need a 6volt or 12 volt relay?
I've a brought 12volt relay from you , off Ebay. But after reading some of the posts, I'm a bit confused which is going to work best.
Marc
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leafletting marc ! hope i have more days like that
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just seen ur van ,marc , looks very professional
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Thanks Dale. :)
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Hay Nathanael.
Did you get my mail concerning the relays?
Do I need a 6volt or 12 volt relay?
I've a brought 12volt relay from you , off Ebay. But after reading some of the posts, I'm a bit confused which is going to work best.
Marc
Replied to your PM on ACS!
I'm sending you 1 of each!!
:)
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Brilliant ... Thanks Nathaneal.
Just read your post.
Thanks a lot.. :)
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keep us posted how you get on fitting it, as i ordered one last monday.
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mine is still on its way in the the UK some where
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whats the relay in aid of?
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whats the relay in aid of?
Its an additional safety feature AND it helps with the 20 minute cuttout issue too.
Basically it connects to your pump wires, and switches off the heater whenever the pump stops,... resetting the 20 minute timer etc. It becomes impossible for the heater to run unless the pump is also running.
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Why can`t you just turn down the temp of it,it say`s on the site no water no heat so why would you need to turn the pump off.
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Does the water stay at 000 after the heater.
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What is the minimum litres/min flow rate this will operate at as this is what causes problems?
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1 qwort a minet mines sum whear over the pond
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hi nathaneal just read post and ordered a unit witin 5 mins looks just right for a hot water system, could you send me a link to the relay id like to get one too
cheers
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Got my heater to day had a little time to play with it i think its going to take time to set up to get the heat just right
heater is after di and tds was 000
i also will be looking for a relay
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I can see you are as keen as mustard, and these heaters will work, but for what it's worth the specific ones that have been mentioned are not robust enough for long term use.
I have disagreed with Nathaneal about this before. The simplest route is a UK legal (i mean eu) heater with a ce mark. It will cost about £300, but it will work forever, and there will no need for fiddling about with mods.
Having a flue is optional, as is a DI. I don't think mounting on a rear door is a good idea.I use car heater hose for the exit from the heater to the reel and I would suggest that you do the same.Put electical tape around the hose lock connection to the reel to stop the torque from undoing it. (the characteristics of a hot system are different and the hoselocks can come undone)
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Iam not going to fit a flue as i always work with back doors open
As to how long it will last only time will tell. does not seem much in them to go wrong but havetwo as may run two poles if not will have one for spares
but with out any doubt hot is the way forward
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I was about to buy the varitech heater but i don`t want deisel really i`d much rather have gas,if you look at the concept 02 setup it just looks like the same as above with a flu fitted to the van roof,it just looks like a combi boiler bolted to the back of the tank.
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Yes doors open- but someone mentioned mounting it on the back door. I had one, or something similar, and the issue was about it's turning off as nathaneal has mentioned. That's why he introduced the relay, he has made some other mods too and is a clever guy.
When it's cold (say minus three), or your gas is about to run out and the pressure is low (or a combination of both) the 'brain' inside these heaters can become stupid.If it carries on heating when the flow stops then problems can start.They do have a pressure relief valve and you will hear a hissing, and to turn it off you may have to turn the gas off.
Normaly these heaters work fine, and mine did for many months.You should be able to mount it using wing nuts so that you can switch it in under ten minutes.
Don't worry too much about what i've said i'm sure your heater will work fine.Your heater is better than mine in as much as it has a lower flow. Lower flow is good, and is another mod that nathanael has made.
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That L5 heater mentioned above,how long do you think it would take to fit fully up and running.
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Whether you mount it in the back of the van, or on the rear door - I can't see any difference really. :-\
I'm doing it partly as I have limited room, and the rear door offers an area to mount, as good ventilation.
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Wont the wind effect the operation of the heater if it is on an open door?
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I used those things they sell in wilkinsons for shelveing, a bit like mechano bits. Two longer bits running downwards and two running across, this H shape is bolted to the van, and the heater is bolted to this.This stands proud from the side of the van so there is a void and therefore no need for any insulation. If you have these parts and the nuts and bolts it can be done in under an hour. Once you've done it once, it's more like twenty minutes.
Rob- yes. And it's probably illegal.(doors move etc)
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I used those things they sell in wilkinsons for shelveing, a bit like mechano bits. Two longer bits running downwards and two running across, this H shape is bolted to the van, and the heater is bolted to this.This stands proud from the side of the van so there is a void and therefore no need for any insulation. If you have these parts and the nuts and bolts it can be done in under an hour. Once you've done it once, it's more like twenty minutes.
Rob- yes. And it's probably illegal.(doors move etc)
What you mean from cold to hot in an hour. ???
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you've already got a system, you mount a heater and put a hose lock on it from the pump going in and one out to the reel, whats so hard?
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Does the water stay at 000 after the heater.
Yes
What is the minimum litres/min flow rate this will operate at as this is what causes problems?
The L5 runs at .95 litres per minute minimum
That L5 heater mentioned above,how long do you think it would take to fit fully up and running.
If you've got all the bits and pieces,.. about 20 minutes. Allow half a day as you'll prob need at least 1 trip to B&Q for something!Wont the wind effect the operation of the heater if it is on an open door?
These units are made to be fitted in outdoor area's, so can handle some wind. On a really blustery day you might have problems. ALL these heaters are fitted with a "flameout" sensor that cuts the gas supply if the flame does fail.
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Do you just wire it up to the second battery then,and what about the gas bit don`t you need someone that knows what there doing. ??? ???
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That heater has a 17 minute automatic safety cut off on it. Wouldn't that be a pain in the backside to work with on large jobs?
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Do you just wire it up to the second battery then,and what about the gas bit don`t you need someone that knows what there doing. ??? ???
it doesnt need to be wired to a battery, it only uses 2 aa style small batteries to fire the ignition.
the gas bit, is just a propane bottle that you use on a patio heater and it just connects to a fitting at the bottom offt he heater.
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could somebody please put up a wiring diagram or explain exactly these should be wired up with a relay to only work when the pump is on cos I'm thinking of getting one of these too it looks a very good idea
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if these units are switched off does the water still flow through it ok?
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could somebody please put up a wiring diagram or explain exactly these should be wired up with a relay to only work when the pump is on cos I'm thinking of getting one of these too it looks a very good idea
(http://www.avondhucleaning.com/Yabb_2/public_html/yabbfiles/Attachments/HOT_wiring_001.jpg)
Ignore the auxiliary pressure switch, its not needed for the L5. A GEMS flow switch might be a better alternative to the built in flow switch, approx €40 inc delivery from www.radionics.ie
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Might be a simple diagram, but it is a load of bo**ocks to me. ;D
I must be a bit thick ::)
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Thanks Nathanael.
That diagram will be usefull.
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Have mine set up ready to go
I am not sure you need a relay as soon as you turn on the pump heater starts up and if you turn off the pump the heater turns off afew seconds after
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Its going to be a week or two before I even get round to getting mine set... :(
Work, family, home jobs...... :-\ :-\ are all taking up my precious time at the mo
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only took me one hour today
dont know about windows yet but the van looks great
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only took me one hour today
dont know about windows yet but the van looks great
any pics ? ;)
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I've got a bit of reshuffling and organising to do in my van first. Hopefully should have a bit of time this weekend.
Yeh - post some piccys :)
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Might be a simple diagram, but it is a load of bo**ocks to me. ;D
I must be a bit thick
Me too. Had my system a year and I don't use any of this, just a better heater.
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will do
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Might be a simple diagram, but it is a load of bo**ocks to me. ;D
I must be a bit thick
Me too. Had my system a year and I don't use any of this, just a better heater.
What heater are you using Discount?
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This is mine ready to go
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This is mine ready to go
does it work on its side then, thats handy to know :P :P :P
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sorry about the pic dont know what i am doing
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sorry about the pic dont know what i am doing
we can all see whats what, i was just joking
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Looks good!
Its smaller than I expected,.. very handy!
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will it affect van insurance having the gas bottle in it on a permanant basis or do you have to tell them..
Looks good tho
paul
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Neat job, well thought through.
At some point you might like to put a bypass in, this is a feed(with a tap) back to the tank from the hot hose that goes to the reel.
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At some point you might like to put a bypass in, this is a feed(with a tap) back to the tank from the hot hose that goes to the reel.
I under stand what you are saying but what are the benefits of doing this
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Are you supposed to fit a flue with that heater or leave the doors open. Wouldn't catch me leaving the doors open whilst I'm working, too many scousers down 'ere ;D
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Are you supposed to fit a flue with that heater or leave the doors open. Wouldn't catch me leaving the doors open whilst I'm working, too many scousers down 'ere
no flue and going to have one very warm van in the winter
you can hold you hand very close to the top of the heater without it being to hot
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theres a few different delivery options, which one you guys go for?
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mine turned up this morning, ordered last monday.
i went for the, usps international service which was only $37 at the time but the guy i called first from the us said it was the wrong price but they still honoured the web site price, so it may have gone up now.
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Does it come out at 000ppm?
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Does it come out at 000ppm?
Yes.
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used mine for the first time today
and have to say its the dogs b****ks and using hot water can not tell you how good that was
it was like when you first move over to W F P from ladders.
once you have used hot you would never want to go back to cold
its the best £120 i have ever spent
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What brush head temp were you running it at Alan?
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Just paid for mine.... Should be here Wednesday nextweek.... ;D
Regards
Mr H
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Only had TDS around 40 at its hottest
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Only had TDS around 40 at its hottest
Does your TDS meter adjust for temperature? If it doesn't, it might be worth getting a new one. Your TDS should remain 000 regardless of the temp.
Heat does increase the conductivity of the water and "amplify" the sensitivity of the older TDS meters which don't have temperature compensation,.. even so I'd double check your water,... leave some go cold and test it again, make sure the reading drops back down!
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sorry what i meant was all i had to measure the heat was my TDS which was 40 temp
TDS off the water was 000
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Thats more like it!
:) :)
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The only other thing i'd mention apart from the bypass is to put another inline filter in.
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The only other thing i'd mention apart from the bypass is to put another inline filter in.
dont under stand what is the bypass and what is it for
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It has no actual use on your heater. However the benefits are;
you can heat the water in the tank- or raise it's temp if it's very cold.
You can get the flow going without anything coming out of the brush. This helps to diagnose and check problems, say for instance you are working on a house and the water stops, or the water goes cold. You would turn the tap off and walk back to the van to see why wouldn't you?
Well with a bypass, when you return to the van you can fiddle about with things such as varistream settings or check to see if auto ignite is working without useing the brush head tap, or continually walking back to it.
I take it I don't have to explain the extra in line filter.
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I take it I don't have to explain the extra in line filter.
no your ok should be ok with that one
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I take it I don't have to explain the extra in line filter.
would you mind?
(joke)
being thick here, whats a bypass
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When you dead end your pole or change poles shouldn`t the unit shut off and then start up again when you plug in again on the L5 there is a pressure screw on the right hand side underneath,this can be adjusted for sensitivity of the ignition.It will heat up to 65 degrees or though the hotter you go the less flow you`ll get i`m told,how long do you think a gas bottle will last.
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Neat job, well thought through.
At some point you might like to put a bypass in, this is a feed(with a tap) back to the tank from the hot hose that goes to the reel.
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I use 600l a day and it lasts three weeks.
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have read post i am very interested in what you are doing was wondering
how this sits with your insurance with the fact you are carrying an hazardous
material plus the installation of the heater not being installed by what would
be considered a competent person
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This has been explained on here many times.
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used mine for the first time today
and have to say its the dogs b****ks and using hot water can not tell you how good that was
it was like when you first move over to W F P from ladders.
once you have used hot you would never want to go back to cold
its the best £120 i have ever spent
Where did you mount the heater Alan and how long did it take you to set it up.
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Alan put a picture up on about page three, and because you posted this I went to have another look. He's made a really neat job of mounting it on the tank cage side near a sliding door.
This wouldn't suit me because my reel is mounted on top of the tank and exits out of this door, so it's a high traffic area.
Did you ask about the battery a while back NWH? And someone said there is only an auto igniter battery? Well that's true, but I can see what you were thinking if you have seen a dem of the brand leader in this. They have a powered flue which does require a battery.It is a very sophisticated system. These are simpler.
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Yes Discount that is why i asked as i know a certain manufacturer does use a battery for the ignition,i have read that the L5 turns off the gas when water flow has stopped.Is there any chance of any more pics of it please,also do you have to turn off the gas after each job.
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I don't use an L5 but had one that was similar. I think legally you should have the gas turned off while driving.
I don't agree with all the mods etc that nathaneal has made- clever as they are-. Why not just get a more robust and reliable heater?
Mine is heavy on water usage, but is completely safe and utterly reliable.Mine does not have auto ignition (they are all electronic ignition, but the L5 does not have a pilot light because it's automatic, while mine does). From memory mines a Rinnai eu85e and cost £300.Trust me, this is a better option.
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I have ordered an L5 just to see how it goes for the meantime,if it works well i`ll order a more robust 1.I like the fact that it comes on when the water starts flowing and turns off when it stops.
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This has been explained on here many times.
point me to where and i will read
cheers ::) :P
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Did you have to pay additional import taxes?
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no,
on their wbsite when you order it, it asks if you want the heater sent as a gift, i think this helps get by the import tax.
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They are not allowed to sell non ce marked gas heaters in the EU. Coming as as a gift avoids this.
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They are not allowed to sell non ce marked gas heaters in the EU. Coming as as a gift avoids this.
Would that not then void your insurance if installing in a van :-X
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the heater only took one hour to set up and get running once you have made your mind up as to where its going to go
went to a B Q and got all the bits and the rest is childs play
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They are not allowed to sell non ce marked gas heaters in the EU. Coming as as a gift avoids this.
The CE mark doesn't apply to 12V motorhome appliances I'm told.
My heater is ISO approved, UKAS approved, Moody Approved etc etc,... good enough for me.
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They are not allowed to sell non ce marked gas heaters in the EU. Coming as as a gift avoids this.
No, that's nothing to do with it. Anything over £18.00 coming from outside the EU is subject to duty and vat. An exception to that is if the item is a gift, then you are not charged.
The customs int his country are not so hot on CE markings anyway, the mark means nothing on its own anyway. If it was coming into the likes of Germany, now that would be a different matter.
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Idid not put mine down as gift and had to pay £24pounds inport tax
oh well you live and learn but still worth every penny
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I didn't put mine down as gift too....... but didn't have to pay anything ;D
Ok, with the cold spell on its way next week - I going to reshuffle my van around, and get the heater up and running - I don't want cold hands next week ( its the only reason I've brought it ;))
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After hours use even the pole warms up to ;D ;D ;D
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Alan is the water hot hot with that little heater,can`t wait to get mine.
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There will more heat than you will ever need
thinking about putting a tap on mine so i can make the tea
OH YES ITS HOT
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Alan is the water hot hot with that little heater,can`t wait to get mine.
Dont know where you are but i have one not fitted yet
going to run two poles
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how you gonna run 2 off 1?
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how you gonna run 2 off 1?
Got two heaters to run two poles in no rush to fit second heater
just thought if you where close you could use my second one till yours comes
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They are not allowed to sell non ce marked gas heaters in the EU. Coming as as a gift avoids this.
No, that's nothing to do with it. Anything over £18.00 coming from outside the EU is subject to duty and vat. An exception to that is if the item is a gift, then you are not charged.
The customs int his country are not so hot on CE markings anyway, the mark means nothing on its own anyway. If it was coming into the likes of Germany, now that would be a different matter.
If that's the case start a business importing and selling them. You should do quite well. Or put it another way, why has no one else done this and why are there no UK suppliers?
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Importing in bulk to sell on is a different matter to importing one marked as a gift.
You would still have no problem getting them into the country, where you may have a problem is your competitors would report you to trading standards and your stock would be seized, that is of course assuming that your point regarding CE marking has any validity.
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that is of course assuming that your point regarding CE marking has any validity.
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You are allowed opinions on here. You are even allowed opinions when they are factually incorrect, or inaccurate. But by Giving bad, or even any, advise on gas appliancesand you are entering a grey area though. If you are in charge of a professional trade body such as the guild then I think you should be cautious whatever your personal opinions are.
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Point Taken Clive!
I advise everybody to research the CE mark requirements as they relate to 12 volt portable devices, and draw their own conclusions,.....
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re van insurance and security:
i'm with A-plan and chris stone told me that there is no extra charge for using a propane heater in your van (may differ for other companies?)
as for leaving the doos open, you could have a caged door fabricated inside one of the side doors, or two inside the back doors.
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Heaters in, fitted and now pumping hot water :) :) :)
Very easy to fit, fired up first time - takes about a minute for the water to make its way through the reel, and about 2 minutes to reach the desired temp.
The only thing I have noticed with mine is that it will only fire up, with the water regulator set at its lowest setting.
I'm still getting a good flow rate , so I'm not too concerned.
Alan, does yours do this?
I need to get some longer hosing to make a neat job of it, a piece of chequer plate behind the heater would look more professional, and find a tidy solution to secure the gas bottle.
But its up and running.... so looking forward to next weeks work. :)
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someone i know has a hot water system a diesel one and says he looses alot of heat through micorbore?
is this true
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someone i know has a hot water system a diesel one and says he looses alot of heat through micorbore?
is this true
I use a diesel heater the one by ITR
I find that the water is very hot has it leaves the back of my van I have made coffee from it in the past
But by the time it gets throu 100 mtr of hose its a lot cooler . But still better then cold
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mine also set on min and have not had a need to move it
I have just turned the gas up to get more heat
on its lowest setting the water is just luke warm and you dont have to turn the gas up by much to get it very hot
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Alan can you please list what i`ll need to get setup when it arrives ie hose and bits and bobs.
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Are you there alan. ??? ??? ???
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Alan can you please list what i`ll need to get setup when it arrives ie hose and bits and bobs.
all you need is
gas bottle
UK regulator just cut off the one heater came with
pipe to run from di to heater and back to reel
took my heater to plumers to get fittings half inch NPT
thats it
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Alan can you please list what i`ll need to get setup when it arrives ie hose and bits and bobs.
all you need is
gas bottle
UK regulator just cut off the one heater came with
pipe to run from di to heater and back to reel
took my heater to plumers to get fittings half inch NPT
thats it
simple as!
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within one hour you will have hot water
I could not belive how easy it was you can not go wrong
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oh i forgot you need two batterys for the heater to ignite the gas
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oh i forgot you need two batterys for the heater to ignite the gas
oh youve ruined it now, thats just too much
on aother note cold it be modified to run off the van battery?
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you know - I was thinking that too.
;D
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A couple of pics..... its installed but not yet completed.
Need to tidy the hoses, metal plate behind the heater, and secure the tank better.
But its a start, and I have a good flow of hot water.
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looks tidy, i want one now!!
when i get some payments in i will be getting one, or 2 for both pumps
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Alan apart from hose did you need to get any other fittings.
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Where is the gas bottle?
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Behind the hosereeel.
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You beat me to it... ;D
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What other fittings do i need apart from hose ie metal connectors etc.
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I've got myself some tidy hose clips ( the same ones the battery cable is going through) for the hose pipe.
A couple of battery's .. the big chuncky ones ( not sure what the size is called)
UK low pressure regulator
A sticker to say your carrying LPG Gas..
I'm going to fit a fire extinguisher too -
errrrr..... thats it I think.
Its such an easy set up..... :)
Just make sure your Di 'Out' goes to the Heater ' In'.... and you can't really go wrong.
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I mentioned the shelve stays from wilkininsons and securing these to the van and then the heater to these didn't I?
If you look at the instructions there will probably be something about it being vertical...
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can someone take a pic of the inside from the top so i can see the exhaust?
can it be channeled off out the back door, no way would i want to put a vent in the van however i would like to channel it out of back doors
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on aother note cold it be modified to run off the van battery?
I'm sure its possible,... but I've gone 8 months already on 1 set of batteries and they're still going strong,.. so its prob not worth the hassle.
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I mentioned the shelve stays from wilkininsons and securing these to the van and then the heater to these didn't I?
If you look at the instructions there will probably be something about it being vertical...
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Instructions.... there the things you read after you have put it altogether ( usually sat on the loo) :-\ ;)
Your right though, it probably doe's say something about it being vertical. I've got to reposition the heater slightly, so I'll attend to that issue then. :)
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Irun mine for a full twenty mins with the back doors shut (to windy to leave open as on a busy road) and when i opened them there was hardly any smell at all and the van was as warm as toast
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The main issue (leaving carbon monoxide aside) with van doors shut is auto shut off because of low oxygen. The heater will not then reststart for a while. They do normally shut off if enclosed after about five minutes.
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my doors was not shut closed had 8ml micro bore running out of it
so it was not air tight
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Maybe fitting one of those spinning air vents in the top of your van would be a good idea, not sure what their exact name is or where to get them thou
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may I suggest you all fit thermostatic mixer valves. same temperature all the time guaranteed.
no fiddling about with gas numpty to get temperature just right, turn your heater up and it will just kick on and off as required, giving the mixer valve enough heat to supply the required temp.
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Irun mine for a full twenty mins with the back doors shut (to windy to leave open as on a busy road) and when i opened them there was hardly any smell at all and the van was as warm as toast
you can't smell carbon monoxide.... be careful
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any chance you could email me your phone number to jgreen@onetel.net for some advice if possible please,ta john
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What do you need to know John?
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just what are the basic connections,are there any laws on the carrying of gas and would a 100psi pump push out the water so fast it does'nt get time to heat up,,thats for now!! kidding,,john
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John I've just got quick release tap connections on at the moment ( and are working fine), until I get round to getting some plumbing type fittings.
As far as I know you are OK carrying gas, but let your insurance company know - and obviously secure the gas tank down.
I use a 100PSi pump, and water if you wish will come out steaming !! but I personally have it around 30degrees C.
The water takes about 2 to 3 minutes coming through 100mtrs of hose before it gets up to temp.
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I'm totally sold,,your not an agent for them are you ??seen the link for the web site ,,thanks
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No .. just enjoying the benefits of cleaning with hot water ;D
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really stupid question but could i run 3 poles from 3 varistreams & pumps with 1 heater. if so does the heater go b4 the pumps ( ie between the tank outlet & the pumps)
or does it go efter the pump so i wud need 3 heaters, ???
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You would need far to much flow,you would need 3 heaters aswell.
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hi guys
my l5 arrived yesterday fitting it tomoro, wondered how you guys know what temp your water is, do you have a hand held thermostat?
similar to tds meter?
if anyone does be interested what,where and how much
cheers
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I'm using my TDS meter - it has a built in thermometer.
I'm trying to find an inilne thermometer though - if anyone knows where to find one.
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Keep a close eye on the water temp until your used to, and confident with the heater. Mine was running a bit too hot this morning on some single glazed glass - and some nasty creaking noises were heard, at which point I pulled the brush away from the glass VERY quickly. ::) :o ::)
I must say though, the extra cleaning power a bit of heat in the water is .. ;D
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No .. just enjoying the benefits of cleaning with hot water ;D
Hi guys just reading through all these post - ive been wfp since the start and and already do a good job with cold - so what are the benefits of hot , apart from your hose getting warm ???
come on tempt me in .... ;D
www.jsmcleaning.co.uk
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OK I been tempted and ordered- 10-14 days to go.
Thanks, Seven Bays for the excellent pics and account and everyone else :) -....now will it fit on my eleccy trolley ? ::)
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it makes great tea
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alan have you got yours sorted
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Yes been fitted about week and its great
now i have used hot i would never go back to cold
it cleans quicker and better with a lot less work
bird crap fly crap is just so easy to clean off
and when you want tea just make one
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Alan do you honestly think it dries quicker.
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I'm not sure it drys completely quicker, but it begins to start to dry quicker - if that makes sense. So, you can see if a rouge streak is about to appear very quickly.
The only thing I have noticed is I'm using more water - I think this is due to the hose expanding more under the pressure. So you get a gush of water when turning the brush on, but eventually levels out. But even so I'm using a fair bit more.
I think eventually I may invest in some Thermobore, or maybe I just need a decent flow controller :-\.
To be honest that's the only negative I can find with using hot water - cleaning with hot water just feels right somehow. After a week of using it in cold conditions - would I like to go back to just cold, I don't think I would.
On salted windows I think hot water cleaning is pretty much the perfect method for window cleaning. I've done a few properties this week that normally give me salt streak problems, but this week there was a vast improvement in the quality of clean on these types of window. The odd rogue salt streak, but no where near as many. Normally I have to go round a second time to get them perfect , but this week just the only odd pane to rerinse.
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any body know if i used 3 heaters in 1 van on 3 poles would it cost me a fortune in gas each wk?
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I'm not sure it drys completely quicker, but it begins to start to dry quicker - if that makes sense. So, you can see if a rouge streak is about to appear very quickly.
The only thing I have noticed is I'm using more water - I think this is due to the hose expanding more under the pressure. So you get a gush of water when turning the brush on, but eventually levels out. But even so I'm using a fair bit more.
I think eventually I may invest in some Thermobore, or maybe I just need a decent flow controller :-\.
To be honest that's the only negative I can find with using hot water - cleaning with hot water just feels right somehow. After a week of using it in cold conditions - would I like to go back to just cold, I don't think I would.
On salted windows I think hot water cleaning is pretty much the perfect method for window cleaning. I've done a few properties this week that normally give me salt streak problems, but this week there was a vast improvement in the quality of clean on these types of window. The odd rogue salt streak, but no where near as many. Normally I have to go round a second time to get them perfect , but this week just the only odd pane to rerinse.
You say your using more water but i thought you had to use a lower flow rate in order to have hotter water.
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i'm running 2x reels from one (100 psi aquatec pump, 1000L tank) is there any reason why 1 heater wont heat the water for both reels?
and does hot REALLY make a speed and cleaning difference?
cheers
greg
ps i think my wife might leave if i spend any more time/money on my setup in the garage/van so it needs to be worth it!!!!
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I don't know...
With my universal controller I don't get any real control over flow anyway.. If I turn the controller down then the heater won't fire up.
I'm tempted to get a Varisstream, or have a look at the Gardiners new controller.
Its not a major problem, but one I'll sort out soonish.
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I have a varistream and i am using more water.
I am not sure why. but I am doing a little more work in the day
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I don't know...
With my universal controller I don't get any real control over flow anyway.. If I turn the controller down then the heater won't fire up.
I'm tempted to get a Varisstream, or have a look at the Gardiners new controller.
Its not a major problem, but one I'll sort out soonish.
It`s not a new controller it`s a rebadged eco-flo.
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Ok - which is the most reliable, and controllable?
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had my L5 heater working today ......... i thought it was being over hyped but i must admit it is a lot better than cold i found it great at lifting hard bird and spider poo!.
anyone who wants to go hot this is definately the way to go
i think i will be going for some thermobore hose or similar though as when a lot of hose was out it did affect the temp,
anyone know of good offers anywhere?
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Come on guys more photos.
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had my L5 heater working today ......... i thought it was being over hyped but i must admit it is a lot better than cold i found it great at lifting hard bird and spider poo!.
anyone who wants to go hot this is definately the way to go
i think i will be going for some thermobore hose or similar though as when a lot of hose was out it did affect the temp,
anyone know of good offers anywhere?
Thermobore 8mm ID 'Hot-Hose' 100m
THERMOBORE - Exclusive to Gardiner Pole Systems.
Designed by ourselves to meet the demands of users of hot water systems. Resists temperatures up to 100 degrees centigrade, whilst retaining full usability. This product will also retain more heat in the water than standard hoses.
Specification:
100 metre reels
8mm ID
13mm OD
Triple layer reinforced hot water hose
Price: £120.00 (Excluding VAT charge at 17.5%)
get it at
www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Hoses.html
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OK, im jumping on the HOT wfp bandwagon!
Just ordered my L5 @ 180.00 USD = 113.381 GBP incl delivery.
Ive finally got found to properly waterproofing the entire rear of the van with protectakote, and silcone sealing all the joints in the ply lining.. So the new look inside is gonna be a good looking workspace for all my gear :P
Really looking forward to using the hot water too, not only for warmer hands but better cleaning results, on fascias etc not just on the glass!
Gonna need to include the *HOT* system on my promo material now!
Keep up the good work guys, glad i joined this place, its been a real pleasure to improve my services from all the ideas from your helpful good selves.. On behalf of my custies.. I thank you! :D
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Thermobore has dropped in price!
It was on my shopping list anyway,... just have to sneak it past the wife somehow,...
:)
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lol, she'll never notice your hose has turned red instead of yellow!
to all, does the extra 2mm od make the hose mich heavier/difficult to work with?
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i have a gas heater on my wfp system and it works well.i dont heat the water that often though as its expensive to run.it also taakes a couple of hours to heat the tank.
it does keep the pole nice and warm though.also last winter my collegues had a few mornings off due to freezing ,i of coarse was able to carry on as usual ;)
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What fittings are people using to fit the water in and out pipes,there smaller than the normal hoselock fittings.Anyone idea what size they are and where you can get them,if i can i want to use hoselock connectors for the time being.
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Thermobore has dropped in price!
It was on my shopping list anyway,... just have to sneak it past the wife somehow,...
:)
Where have you seen it reduced in price?
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What fittings are people using to fit the water in and out pipes,there smaller than the normal hoselock fittings.Anyone idea what size they are and where you can get them,if i can i want to use hoselock connectors for the time being.
i went to b and q and they sell brass tap adapters you now the one there is a smaller one and then another one screws onto that and then there is a male hoselock
thats what ive been using and its quite good. remember not to put and end stop on the hot water out or it wont work
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What fittings are people using to fit the water in and out pipes,there smaller than the normal hoselock fittings.Anyone idea what size they are and where you can get them,if i can i want to use hoselock connectors for the time being.
i went to b and q and they sell brass tap adapters you now the one there is a smaller one and then another one screws onto that and then there is a male hoselock
thats what ive been using and its quite good. remember not to put and end stop on the hot water out or it wont work
experience talking there is it? :P
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ive used these s/s braided hose from heating suppliers to go from pump to heater and then from heater to reel.
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Seven bays, what you say about flow usage and firing up is true. A varistream won't alter that in any way.
I use varistreams, but the situation you describe is unaltered.
Nathaeneal has got round this by introducing mods, but I am strongly against this.
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There is a 17 min saftey feature on it,if you change poles does it turn off or fire up again once water is flowing,the way that it works i would presume that it fires up again am i right.And steve don`t you heat after DI.
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my di is with my ro in the shed, i transfer 000tds water to the van.
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ditto
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I have my heater mounted on the back door in the open air i see you don`t,does the heater give off a lot of fumes this is the reason why i mounted it on the back door.Also do you turn everything off after every job ie gas heater etc,as you can see i don`t know a lot about gas.
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It will blow out on the back door and there will be a 3 min cut off. The only fumes are carbon monoxide which is casued by incomplete combustion, this is what kills people when they fall asleep in the same room as a gas appliance.
However, you have to breath it for several hours and the symptons are that it makes you sleepy and gives you a headache.The advice is to use your heater in a well ventilated place- maybe near a door but sheilded from a direct draught.
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Seven bays, what you say about flow usage and firing up is true. A varistream won't alter that in any way.
I use varistreams, but the situation you describe is unaltered.
Nathaeneal has got round this by introducing mods, but I am strongly against this.
i'm pretty sure a thermostatic mixer valve would sort this problem for you
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Are you saying put some cold in with the hot? This would use more water not less surely?
I'm not really up to speed on this so don't shoot me, but I believe this would be more use on the old fashioned diesel heating systems , the newer on demand gas systems use too much water- that's what we are saying-. Nathaneal has hot wired his to disable the manu's settings.
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So if you are all ready WFP what else do you need to buy when you get a L5
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As far as the regulator goes,couldn`t i just take it to a plummers merchants and ask for the same but in the eu-uk version i was told that the us one is no good.
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So if you are all ready WFP what else do you need to buy when you get a L5
Just hose+connectors for water input-output and also a UK regulator i`m told.
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What fittings are people using to fit the water in and out pipes,there smaller than the normal hoselock fittings.Anyone idea what size they are and where you can get them,if i can i want to use hoselock connectors for the time being.
i went to b and q and they sell brass tap adapters you now the one there is a smaller one and then another one screws onto that and then there is a male hoselock
thats what ive been using and its quite good. remember not to put and end stop on the hot water out or it wont work
experience talking there is it? :P
yeah i couldn't work out what was going on, because i got t working and then fiddled and it didnt come out as it should
so yes a hozelock with no end stop is needed
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Seven bays, what you say about flow usage and firing up is true. A varistream won't alter that in any way.
I use varistreams, but the situation you describe is unaltered.
Nathaeneal has got round this by introducing mods, but I am strongly against this.
Ok Thanks... I need to think a wee bit more about this problem
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i went to boc, they rent me the gas bottle for 1.88 a month and the gas in £25 a topup i got my regulator from them aswell, £7, and some o rings are needed,
i thing i will be fabricating a flue in the next few days, because there is a nice dry patch in my my roof from where the fumes are warm, but the rest of the ran roof is soaking wet, it took 5 microfiber clothes to get it dry, and at the end of today is was soaking again,
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Seven bays, what you say about flow usage and firing up is true. A varistream won't alter that in any way.
I use varistreams, but the situation you describe is unaltered.
Nathaeneal has got round this by introducing mods, but I am strongly against this.
Ok Thanks... I need to think a wee bit more about this problem
basically the l5 with only start heating water if it thinks water is flowing, currently 2l a minute can be hit and miss today and yesterday i had 3 hours solid use from it, and then it went a bit intermittent with when it started heating, very nothing when the hose goes all solid,
so by fitting this flow valve thing, it will trick the l5 into starting when less water is running through it
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Seven bays, what you say about flow usage and firing up is true. A varistream won't alter that in any way.
I use varistreams, but the situation you describe is unaltered.
Nathaeneal has got round this by introducing mods, but I am strongly against this.
Ok Thanks... I need to think a wee bit more about this problem
basically the l5 with only start heating water if it thinks water is flowing, currently 2l a minute can be hit and miss today and yesterday i had 3 hours solid use from it, and then it went a bit intermittent with when it started heating, very nothing when the hose goes all solid,
so by fitting this flow valve thing, it will trick the l5 into starting when less water is running through it
What flow valve thing - a mixer valve or low flow switch ?
The thing is for me, is that my days have been organised so that I use pretty much 300 to 350 litres a day ( a van tank is 350 litres) - yeh some days I use more and that is when i top up and the Di comes into play. But I don't want to having to top up everyday through excessive use of water - as its costly, and not always convenient to top up.
So, for me reducing the flow to what I'm used to, and getting a the desired temp of my water is important.
I'm sure the answer isn't that complicated - but I want to get it right, rather than going out buying new controllers, thermobore hoses, mixer valves ect otherwise its going get very expensive.
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get a bigger tank. ;D ;D ;D
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I don't think my ikkle van would be too happy about that.... :-\
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For those who use a very low flow rate:
www.uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=searchProducts&searchTerm=395-6962+&x=24&y=9
For those (Like me) who use a bit more:
www.uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=3956978
There is a way to bypass the flow switch all together and just have it set to fire up when the WFP pump is running,.....
:)
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For those who use a very low flow rate:
There is a way to bypass the flow switch all together and just have it set to fire up when the WFP pump is running,.....
:)
I would be interested in that if you have the time.
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For those who use a very low flow rate:
There is a way to bypass the flow switch all together and just have it set to fire up when the WFP pump is running,.....
:)
I would be interested in that if you have the time.
me too
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nathanael i use two litres a minute what is the best one for me?
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nathanael i use two litres a minute what is the best one for me?
I'd use the external flow switch, prob the 1.9 ltr one. I've the 1ltr/min one and it fires up at 1/2ltr per min or less!
To bypass the flow switch all together you need a 6V relay. The coil side of the relay goes to the pump wires, and you run the wires that used to go to the flow switch to the normally open contacts on the other side of the relay. Your pump starts, activates the relay, which switches on the heater regardless of flow rate,... pump stops, the relay contacts open and the heater stops.
The L5 has an overheat sensor,.. so if your flow rate is low enough that this kicks in you may have problems with intermittent heating,.. but set to minimum power I'd expect it'd be rare that this would be a problem.
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Are you saying put some cold in with the hot? This would use more water not less surely?
I'm on my 2nd heater (not l5). I binned my first heater due to flow/heat issues, and was struggng with my 2nd (not l5) although it was marginally better.
then I fitte a thermostatic mixer valve and the problem disappeared!
It seems to "ask" the heater for hot water all at once to mix with the cold to provide a constant temperature.
you can set your heater on full if you like, and it just fires up and supplies hot water as required.
and i've not had a heat/flow problem for 4 months now
I'm not really up to speed on this so don't shoot me, but I believe this would be more use on the old fashioned diesel heating systems , the newer on demand gas systems use too much water- that's what we are saying-. Nathaneal has hot wired his to disable the manu's settings.
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nathanael i use two litres a minute what is the best one for me?
I'd use the external flow switch, prob the 1.9 ltr one. I've the 1ltr/min one and it fires up at 1/2ltr per min or less!
To bypass the flow switch all together you need a 6V relay. The coil side of the relay goes to the pump wires, and you run the wires that used to go to the flow switch to the normally open contacts on the other side of the relay. Your pump starts, activates the relay, which switches on the heater regardless of flow rate,... pump stops, the relay contacts open and the heater stops.
The L5 has an overheat sensor,.. so if your flow rate is low enough that this kicks in you may have problems with intermittent heating,.. but set to minimum power I'd expect it'd be rare that this would be a problem.
Thanks very much Nathaniel, I just noticed you have now got a new HOT section on your forum GR8 8)
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I just noticed you have now got a new HOT section on your forum GR8 8)
It seems to be a big issue at the mo, so it deserves a space of its own!!
:)
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this page is realy helpfull thanks
rhys
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I was under the impression you could not fit a gas heater to a van?
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I was under the impression you could not fit a gas heater to a van?
Don`t do it i did and i was mad,it`s a time bomb waiting to go off.I`ve just finnished taking my heater out of the van and have just ordered 1 from varitech.I should have it in by the weekend.
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I was under the impression you could not fit a gas heater to a van?
Don`t do it i did and i was mad,it`s a time bomb waiting to go off.I`ve just finnished taking my heater out of the van and have just ordered 1 from varitech.I should have it in by the weekend.
NWH, are you having it run of the vehicle tank?
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Yes you tell him what van you have and he sends you a T or Y peice to join your fuel line,you have a small pump fitted under the van for it.If you use it all the time it should only cost about £20 a week to run and no need to worry about explosions.
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NWH
Do you have a link to there site
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I was under the impression you could not fit a gas heater to a van?
Don`t do it i did and i was mad,it`s a time bomb waiting to go off.I`ve just finnished taking my heater out of the van and have just ordered 1 from varitech.I should have it in by the weekend.
you seemed all for it at one point, is there any reason why you dont like it now ?
daz
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nwh
how much is the varitech conversion?
daz
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They do a diy fit kit, thats good. I was just being nosey, i already had a new hot system fitted at waterfed pole systems in grantham. I know they do a bolt on as well, either from van tank or with a seperate tank. Mine is from the vans tank, alot less messing about!
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I paid about £2700 i think.
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They do a diy fit kit, thats good. I was just being nosey, i already had a new hot system fitted at waterfed pole systems in grantahm. I know they do a bolt on as well, either from van tank or with a seperate tank. Mine is from the vans tank, alot less messing about!
You can have a seperate marine tank or something but i don`t want smelly deisel every where in the van,just turn it on and that`s it no need to keep filling it up and running out of juice.
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They do a diy fit kit, thats good. I was just being nosey, i already had a new hot system fitted at waterfed pole systems in grantahm. I know they do a bolt on as well, either from van tank or with a seperate tank. Mine is from the vans tank, alot less messing about!
You can have a seperate marine tank or something but i don`t want smelly deisel every where in the van,just turn it on and that`s it no need to keep filling it up and running out of juice.
Yeah its much better running off the vehicles tank. Is it the webasto system? If so you cant go wrong!
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I was under the impression you could not fit a gas heater to a van?
Don`t do it i did and i was mad,it`s a time bomb waiting to go off.I`ve just finnished taking my heater out of the van and have just ordered 1 from varitech.I should have it in by the weekend.
you seemed all for it at one point, is there any reason why you dont like it now ?
daz
I have been driving around worrying about it in the back of the van,i have spoken to various qualified people and they all had the same answer don`t do it you must be mad.As they say you can`t put a price on life,i have 2 that you can buy if you want 1 brand new in box and 1 nearly new i`ll even throw in the refill adapter so you can fill up with gas at the petrol station for half the price of a bottle. ;D
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It is webasto so it`s quality.
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The 1 i`m getting is better aswell because it`s since been reduced in size in overall footprint so it takes up hardly any space in the back unlike the omnipole 1.
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Money well spent. This will improve your business.
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The 1 i`m getting is better aswell because it`s since been reduced in size in overall footprint so it takes up hardly any space in the back unlike the omnipole 1.
dont let your mate kevin read this, he will be jumping up and down again
oh and you will be off his christmas card list
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Thankyou Discount for that money i spend on the business i only see as investing,since using hot water it`s a no brainer for me it`s the only way forward as far as con cleans cladding and especially windows goes cold dosen`t get near it IMO.
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The 1 i`m getting is better aswell because it`s since been reduced in size in overall footprint so it takes up hardly any space in the back unlike the omnipole 1.
dont let your mate kevin read this, he will be jumping up and down again
oh and you will be off his christmas card list
lol come on Kev i miss your swearing,it`s been so long since you`ve said something nasty to Matt lol. ;D ;D ;D
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NHW, just for comparison....
How many ltrs pure do you use per day.
What's your running cost with gas (both bottles and refilling) against your £20 per week diesel cost.
Thanks
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Put it this way i used gas for under 2 weeks and had to get a refill at £17,i got a refill adapter which you can use at petrol stations and this reduces the cost by half about £8-9 to top up.You also have the hassle of having to go and get a new bottle and changing it over,£5 a day on the deisel heater so it`s minimal and no need to touch it.
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It is webasto so it`s quality.
You cant go wrong. Ive also got a thermopure, and thats what ionics use for them!
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The costs don't really matter, as NWH said the advantages are huge. He obviously does not feel happy with the gas and thinks it's dangerous and not legal. As he feels that way he is doing the right thing. Even the people who spend up to ten grand never regret it ( by the way tennent clean hasn't posted for a while has he).
Bear in mind with costs you don't have to have the hot turned on all the time, but supposing you did it the running costs would be £2 gas , £7 diesel to heat 600litre usage.
I'm in the £2 gang, but if I was ever stopped from using my on demand system i would go this route too.
Where do I find this adaptor thing?
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Where do I find this adaptor thing?
ebay
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If anyone wants to buy my adapter there welcome.
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£25 + post never used.
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Anyone want an unopened L5 heater,it was a spare.
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Anyone want an unopened L5 heater,it was a spare.
how much me ol chum,
wait how much for the used one?
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The 1 i`ve used for about a month with fittings all you have to do is connect water in and water out £50 with gas refill adapter £75,or the new 1 £150 with gas adapter for cheap refills or £110 on it`s own.Don`t forget i`ve paid for shipping into uk etc.
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£70 cash, for the second hand heater and refill
brand new notes too
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The 1 i`ve used for about a month with fittings all you have to do is connect water in and water out £50 with gas refill adapter £75,or the new 1 £150 with gas adapter for cheap refills or £110 on it`s own.Don`t forget i`ve paid for shipping into uk etc.
Why don't you get an Ionics Thermopure? It's tried and tested, rather than all this fannying about you've done.
Your poverty sickens me.
;)
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The 1 i`ve used for about a month with fittings all you have to do is connect water in and water out £50 with gas refill adapter £75,or the new 1 £150 with gas adapter for cheap refills or £110 on it`s own.Don`t forget i`ve paid for shipping into uk etc.
Why don't you get an Ionics Thermopure? It's tried and tested, rather than all this fannying about you've done.
Your poverty sickens me.
;)
i already have a thermopure in my bathroom instead of a shower
those salesman are so convincing
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I am selling them Tosh,YOUR poverty sickens me even more. ::) :-*
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deal then?
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Alex £70 cash no receipt with gas refill adapter,if you want it you will have to come and get it.And that`s the secondhand 1.
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I am selling them Tosh,YOUR poverty sickens me even more. ::) :-*
You're selling Ionics Thermopure? Really?
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Tosh what are you on about. ???
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Alex £70 cash no receipt
Is this a tax dodge thing?
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Alex £70 cash no receipt
Is this a tax dodge thing?
you know how it is with these fly by night window cleaning for beer money lot ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Matt,
You know what I'm getting at. In one breath NWH is slagging of 'DIYers' and bragging he only buys off the shelf stuff - because he can - saying he wouldn't mess about in sheds with gaffer tape, and then in the next post he's trying to flog some second hand DIY kit for £70 and wants cash and won't give a receipt.
Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from him; he sounds dodgier than a NAAFI watch.
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Matt,
You know what I'm getting at. In one breath NWH is slagging of 'DIYers' and bragging he only buys off the shelf stuff - because he can - saying he wouldn't mess about in sheds with gaffer tape, and then in the next post he's trying to flog some second hand DIY kit for £70 and wants cash and won't give a receipt.
Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from him; he sounds dodgier than a NAAFI watch.
tosh, i knew exactly what you meant ;)
oh and ive told you, ditch the gaffa tape, go up-market with some multi coloured electricains tape ;D ;D, its what us posh people use ;) ;)
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This was quoted on Brodex website...........
(You do not wash the dishes at home with cold water do you? Nor do you wash the dishes at home with out detergent therefore it is not the hot water alone that clean them. Brodex have spent 1000’s of pounds researching the cleaning power of pure water and have concluded that it is the Structure of the pure water it’s self that does the cleaning not the temperature of the water this has little or no effect. In 2007 a leading Resin supplier warned the industry that Hot de-ionised water could actually be corrosive and detrimental to some framework because oxygen will leave the water at high temperatures resulting in a higher concentration of dissolved carbon dioxide which increase it’s acidity. Brodex advice in stubborn dirt scenarios to either pre-treat with detergent or double clean to avoid costly law suits due to damage. )
is there any truth in this?
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Matt,
You know what I'm getting at. In one breath NWH is slagging of 'DIYers' and bragging he only buys off the shelf stuff - because he can - saying he wouldn't mess about in sheds with gaffer tape, and then in the next post he's trying to flog some second hand DIY kit for £70 and wants cash and won't give a receipt.
Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from him; he sounds dodgier than a NAAFI watch.
Naffi watch i have breitling 2 if fact Navitimers and that amounts to more than a Thermopure. :-* ;D
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This was quoted on Brodex website...........
(You do not wash the dishes at home with cold water do you? Nor do you wash the dishes at home with out detergent therefore it is not the hot water alone that clean them. Brodex have spent 1000’s of pounds researching the cleaning power of pure water and have concluded that it is the Structure of the pure water it’s self that does the cleaning not the temperature of the water this has little or no effect. In 2007 a leading Resin supplier warned the industry that Hot de-ionised water could actually be corrosive and detrimental to some framework because oxygen will leave the water at high temperatures resulting in a higher concentration of dissolved carbon dioxide which increase it’s acidity. Brodex advice in stubborn dirt scenarios to either pre-treat with detergent or double clean to avoid costly law suits due to damage. )
is there any truth in this?
Complete poo every word of that,hot water cleans far far better than cold water.Anyone telling you otherwise either can`t afford it or they`ve never used it.It`s not just dirty first cleans either,on regular cleans it wins hands down.
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I agree with you im just showing you what there saying on there site.
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Yes i know i wasn`t meaning to have a go at you i know your not in Matt and Tosh`s gang lol. ;D ;D
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Alex £70 cash no receipt
Is this a tax dodge thing?
lol. ;D ;D ;D
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so it takes up hardly any space in the back unlike the omnipole 1.
Compact Size only -14" Wide x 14" High x 24" Long
Heat Rise from input - 65 degrees F at 4 litres a minute, 52 degrees at 6 litres a minute
11/2" Stainless Steel Exhaust fitted through floor of vehicle
Is it smaller than this?
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Length 20" width 8" Height 28" and the exhaust is hidden so you won`t burn anything on it when it`s on.Some have this sitting up in the vehicle in a half loop this 1 dosen`t it goes straight out the floor from the heater.
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NWH email me your number at beannieman@gmail.com are you available on sunday?
Thanks
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The secondhand 1 is now sold,you didn`t get back to me last night.If you want the new 1 let me know.
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you are joking me arent you?
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No i`m not,1 of my customers had it to wash down his horses and dogs.
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i said to you last night, is that a deal then
how could you think that i didnt want it
go and get it back
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LOL,you went off last night in what looked like a huff,i thought someone had emailed you and told you i was ripping you off or something.I have the new coming tomorrow if you want it,it`s still a bargain if your interested but i won`t be coming to Crawley.
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huh, a huff, that was the sound of me biting your arm off,
so how much you asking for this other one
no way i can get the old one back, has it gone?
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The 1 i`ve used for about a month with fittings all you have to do is connect water in and water out £50 with gas refill adapter £75,or the new 1 £150 with gas adapter for cheap refills or £110 on it`s own.Don`t forget i`ve paid for shipping into uk etc.
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well i will take the heater on it own, for 110, and then i will buy the adapter for 25 on it own
So i make that £130 ;)
cash, and less i have the say it any more enthusiastically i want this damn heater dont be going selling it to you blinking customers,
geeze you costed me £50
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It should be here tomorrow or thursday,i will let you know.The price goes up £20 a day it`s not here lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*
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lol
ok so you wont sell it then?
not til you speak to me
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I won`t sell it you have my word.
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But you promised it to me !!
I told you I had the readies available. Im leaving now!
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Matt you`ve talked me into it you can have it for free lol,being serious they do work but it`s not for me it gets the water to hot to use and providing you can put it somewhere or have something round it to stop the flame going out it will be reliable.
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mine wos £92 deliverd so a sconhand it to much
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I won't tell you how cheap I got mine,... I bought 3 and got a huge discount!!
:)
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If he wants to order 1 and an adapter good luck to him,he asked how much i told him it`s his call.
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If he wants to order 1 and an adapter good luck to him,he asked how much i told him it`s his call.
Judging by your posts, maybe he doesn't want to do business with you.
I wouldn't.
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yeah but to buy it now with the depreciation of the £ would cost me £120, plus adapter etc etc, and i need it for monday as i broke mine,
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How did you break it????
:O
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If numptyody buys it i don`t care i`ll just us it to clean the car.
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it was very cold over the weekend and i didnt drain it, and it cracked the small copper pipe in the radiator, ive tried sealing it with silicone first time didnt bond very well, done it again and will test this morning,
if that doesnt work will look and seeing if i can solder a new piece in, but its right on the bend so its tough
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thes no chance of sealing with siocone your only hope is to solder it
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it was very cold over the weekend and i didnt drain it, and it cracked the small copper pipe in the radiator, ive tried sealing it with silicone first time didnt bond very well, done it again and will test this morning,
if that doesnt work will look and seeing if i can solder a new piece in, but its right on the bend so its tough
Post a picture of the part,.. once its not the heat exchanger itself, I might have a spare,....
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thes no chance of sealing with siocone your only hope is to solder it
i tried solder, but it didnt work, either, ill let my dad have a look and see what he can do, he always finds a way to fix things,
i will also take some pictures and post them up for your eyes only
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;)
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Is it the brass elbow that connects between the cold water inlet and the heat exchanger that burst? If so, I have a spare,...
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its a u bend shape,
split right on the end,
if you were to look inside its right at the tops as the pipes go across the vent to heat the water, it was a big split but because the copper is malleable, i pinched back together,
over the weekend i will heat the copper up with a blow torch to melt the solder into place using an iron was no good
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Ah,.. it's on the heat exchanger itself,...
It might be possible to solder it,...
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yeah thats it,
but my dad is quite good at plumbing, needs to be i supposed he does fit bathrooms and other such things
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NWH
has the heater come yet?
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you'll probably need to use a blowtorch to get enough heat into the copper so the solder will stick properly
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yeah that where is went wrong in the first place,
its a rainy day will make good use of the time
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good luck, I did a car radiator once. it worked a treat!
you might find you're better with some thick solder and separate flux than the thin flux-cored solder which you use more for electrical applications
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have you tried chemical metal, to try and repair it, could be worth a go????????
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NWH
has the heater come yet?
No it should be here anytime now as i ordered it well over 2 weeks ago,i`ll keep you posted.
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Thanks
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Hi all
Quick question on the temperture of the water when using an L5? What should it be? And on a full day cleaning (7 hours) how much gas will i use? I know it vary from person to person but just a rough idea if you can :)
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Alex i`ve sent you an email,the heater arrived yesterday.
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Hi all
Quick question on the temperture of the water when using an L5? What should it be? And on a full day cleaning (7 hours) how much gas will i use? I know it vary from person to person but just a rough idea if you can :)
A 6kg gas bottle will only last just over a week if your using it for that time everyday maybe not quiet as long,the setting i used it on for cold days was no further than a third of the way round the dial,it gets hotter than you think.
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OK can i pick it all up on Sunday?
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Yes you can sunday mid morning os something.
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Hi
just installing an L5 to my wfp system and could do with a bit of help regarding the wiring of the 6v relay.could someone tell me just where are the wires we need to connect to in the L5 ? do we need to take the housing apart of the L 5?
Many thanks
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Hi
just installing an L5 to my wfp system and could do with a bit of help regarding the wiring of the 6v relay.could someone tell me just where are the wires we need to connect to in the L5 ? do we need to take the housing apart of the L 5?
Many thanks
The heater runs off of 2 large batterys,all they do is ignite the flame and they should last quiet a while.
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Alex if you don`t contact me soon i`ll sell it to the highest bidder.
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Yes you can sunday mid morning os something.
cant do mid morning late afternoon?
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Late afternoon is fine with me Alex.
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im not going to be able to make it today.
got sickness in the family and are looking after things
can i send you a cheque for the adapter because i need that
can you email be your address so i can send that asap please
to www.beannieman@gmail.com
thanks
£30 inc shipping right?
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Here it is.
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Does anyone want to buy this L5 heater with refiller as above,£150 for the 2.Convert your system to hot in an hour.
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NWH, Is this heater still available? Can you give me your email address?
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Mr H is selling one too if NWH's one is gone?
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Thanks, do you know how much for?
Is there an email address to contact him?
Cheers.
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mrh@mrhcleaning.co.uk
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Just remember He likes to Haggle ;D
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NWH, Is this heater still available? Can you give me your email address?
Yes it`s still available.
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This thread started ages ago, so to all the people who bought one last year, how has it gone?
Was it a good investment?
What would you change?
It would be interesting to hear before I buy one...
Thanks in advance
Also if I'm honest I've added a comment because I want to read this thread and if I add a comment it goes back on the first page. ;)
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nows your chance NWH
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Sold last week.
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So buyers for an L5 you don't want are like buses, none for ages then two come along at once. ;D
What was the problem with your NWH? It would help to know so I can balance up the decision...
Thanks in advance
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i have had a e.mail off some1 saying the L5 can now run at a much lower rate
any1 have any more info on this ?? ? ?
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It can be modified very easily
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Not that i use an l5, but i'm getting through 750l a day now. Bit much i suppose.
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Thats 2 of you tho isn't it Clive?
375 litres each isn't too bad imo
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any of the L5 guys care to comment a year on ? ? ? ?
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My unit is still going strong. I've been really glad of hot water the past couple of weeks!
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had my L5 for over 2 years now and never had any problems with it
it is used 5 days a week every week would get another one in a heart beat if this one dies
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Would it work OK in conjunction with triggers on poles (where the pump/water supply was switching ON and OFF every 30 seconds)?
Or would this 'jigger' the L5's igniter and internal pressure switch/valve?
Mike
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Would it work OK in conjunction with triggers on poles (where the pump/water supply was switching ON and OFF every 30 seconds)?
Or would this 'jigger' the L5's igniter and internal pressure switch/valve?
Mike
Nope,.. the stopping and starting wouldn't be enough to stop the pump on your system & reset the heater,.. but the slowing of the flow rate would probably cause the water to get hotter than it should and the overheat sensor would kick in.
To get it to work with a trigger you'd need a small calorifier tank in the van, and have the L5 heating the tank.
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Do you guys using these heaters have a sticker on you van to show there is Gas on board ?
What are the running costs if using all day every day 5 days a week ?
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Nathanael
Thanks for the reply. But what is a 'calorifier tank? Can you explain the necessary 'set-up' in a bit more detail, please.
Mike
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A calorifier tank is like a mini hot water tank from your airing cupboard,.. the L5 would sit on a separate circuit with a separate pump controlled by a thermostat on the tank,... when the tank starts to cool the thermostat switches on the pump and the water flow automatically starts the L5 so the tank is always kept warm.
Your WFP pump goes into the other inlet in the bottom of the tank and the outlet to your reel is on the top, feeding cold water in the bottom which is heated as it moves up the tank and is hot by the time its on its way to your reel and hose.
The downside is that you have to heat the tank before you can get hot water to your brush,.. it'll prob be 10 - 12 minutes at the beginning of the day before anything hot gets to the brush head. The other downside is price,.. calorifier tanks usually cost about £200. :(
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Nat
its possible to make your own calorifier ( ish )tank for very little money, it will work in a similar way
i was looking at it last year, i run the idea past a mechanic who said i wouldnt get the heat from the van engine but i would need another source of heat ( the L5 )
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You can also get heat exchangers off ebay that look identical to the ones used in the pure freedom diesel powerd heaters and are probably suitable,.. they're a bit cheaper too.
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Nathanael.
A nice detailed, yet 'easy to understand' explanation.
Thanks
Mike
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I KNOW THIS THREAD IS MONTHS OLD BUT ANYONE ORDERING A L5 SHOULD KNOW THAT EVEN WHEN IMPORTED AS A GIFT CUSTOMS STILL SLAP A TAX ON. I HAD A LETTER FROM PARCELFORCE THIS MORNING SAYING MY L5 WAS AT THERE DEPOT AND THERE WAS DUTY OF £24.96 TO BE PAYED BEFORE I COLD COLLECT. I CHOSE THE CHEAP (AND LONG) SHIPPING OPTION AND WITH CURRENCY EXCHANGE IT COST ME £105.00 (HEATER+SHIPPING) SO IM PROBABLY LOOKING AT £150 ALL SET UP AND READY TO GO..BARGAIN! I ALREADY KNOW THEY ARE GREAT BECAUSE MY MATE HAS TWO. JUST IN TIME FOR CLEANING ALL THE UPVC GUTTERS AND EAVES ON A HOUSE FRIDAY, SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER NOW.
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Is there a forum where the fitting of one of these 'L5s' is shown?
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Great thread everyone.....
Looking at a system now to keep water warm etc......
Can you run 2 reels off 1 l5 & do they sell them in uk now??
Take care guy's
Justin ;)
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best place for L5 is ebay normally bout 80 odd quid
best person to ask is nat jones or
look on acs forum under hot !!!!
might av to pay import duty also
as L5 come fr america
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Hiya gav mate ;)
Nice 1 for that fella ;)
Do you think ill need a l5 if i buy a bluebird heater???
I was thinking if i direct ducting under my 1000ltr ibc in van it should keep it warm & all going sound in freezing conditions.....d'ya think gav mate???
thank you again for that m8....
Ya sound fella ;)
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
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I know it's old but I just thought I'd stick a pic of my dual L5 heater setup in a very tight space.
Simon.