Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sir Squeaky on October 18, 2008, 01:11:54 pm
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As you may know from a recent post, I trod on my SL2 and broke another section on thursday. >:(
I've got houses on monday to do which require 5 sections and i've snapped my 4th piece.
Now I fixed it enough to just about use as an end piece, but no way it can be used as a middle section now.
It snapped near the end, so i couldn't sleeve it together like last time.
It's patched up all over now. :-\
Now this may be a question for Matt or the like...
I can't go blowing more cash on a new one, so...
Could a get a fishing pole cheap from somewhere off the shelf that I could modify to put a brush on?
How much?
Which is a good one?
Long enough?
Strong enough? ???
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Try a good fishing tackle shop and take the section below and above and including the one you broke and see if they have a "spare" in their rack. As you say alternatevly try a new 13m pole and see if one of those sections will bridge the gap temorarily.....Or wait until you can re order a proper spare for the SL2 which is what I would really reccomend unless your adaptable about being able to refit a new section.
I could do it in five minutes if I had it "in my hand" ....alas I aint.
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I found the S2 to have a totally different taper to the Maver. A section is going to cost what £50+ A fishing pole of any length is going to be £60 minimum and pretty fragile. I'd go for a new section or an slx to be honest.
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I wasn't so much looking for a new section as a complete fishing pole.
It's falling to bits all over anyway, and buying a new section is just delaying the inevitable new pole.
I can't afford a new SL2 or similar.
I know a few on here use one (a Thompson maybe?).
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I use a fishing pole and have cut and shut the smaller width sections several times. But it's still ok - I reinforce the repair by using foam filler on the inside of the repair where possible too.
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Hi Squeaks
How did you repair the SL2?
Did you know you can just feed the top end of the broken pole through the bottom end and pull it tight. Best to hacksaw off the splintered ends first. It makes a smaller pole but good for a spare. I broke my section 3 a while ago and this method kept me out working until the new section arrived.
Adie
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I used the Thompson reload for a year (now Gangsta) but if you are a bit heavy handed it won't last ten minutes it's worse than an S2 obviously.If you are careful they can be good. Maybe a Harris pole 'till the money comes in?
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Ian_Giles has got an old Unger Pole; I'm sure; why don't you ask him if you can borrow it?
I use the same pole, and I do admit it's inferior to carbon fibre, but I think it's a great pole. I'm still using my original pole from about four-years-ago.
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Hi Squeaks
How did you repair the SL2?
Did you know you can just feed the top end of the broken pole through the bottom end and pull it tight. Best to hacksaw off the splintered ends first. It makes a smaller pole but good for a spare. I broke my section 3 a while ago and this method kept me out working until the new section arrived.
Yes, one of my sections is already like that!
Trouble is, this one broke nearer to the end.
I tried to feed it through, but it got stuck inside and won't budge.
I found an old piece of SL1 to feed through, but it's not a tight fit.
It's good enough to balance in the end briefly, but not work properly.
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Ian_Giles has got an old Unger Pole; I'm sure; why don't you ask him if you can borrow it?
I use the same pole, and I do admit it's inferior to carbon fibre, but I think it's a great pole. I'm still using my original pole from about four-years-ago.
It's going to be waaaay too heavy for working at less than 45degrees over 20ft long.
We're talking seriously horizontal over roofs at 5 sections.
Can't see one person managing it, not even Marius Pudzinovski.
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i keep hearing how good wfp is but reading posts like this it appears a lot of hassle, more mfi ;D ;D
Bloody is mate. ::)
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I used the Thompson reload for a year (now Gangsta) but if you are a bit heavy handed it won't last ten minutes it's worse than an S2 obviously.If you are careful they can be good. Maybe a Harris pole 'till the money comes in?
Harris isn't 25ft is it?
That's the Thompson I was thinking of.
I'm happy enough being really careful.
They probably look really nice too don't they?
How much?
Easy to find?
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i keep hearing how good wfp is but reading posts like this it appears a lot of hassle, more mfi ;D ;D
Not always, mate. While working I mostly use a back pack, an unger pole, and my Missis.
My Missis is the most complicated bit.
I still quite happily use a ladder when I think it's called for.
I doubt I've spent more than £150 on work equipment this year, and £110 of that was on trad stuff.
Stan, get yourself a backpack; just dip your toe in.
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Squeaks, you could try the Unger pole; once you've got it on the window, a lot of the weight is on the window; it's not like doing 'pokey drill' and holding weights out at arm's length to see how long you can keep them there.
It's just a thought; you know your work better than me.
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Now this may be a question for Matt or the like...
I can't go blowing more cash on a new one, so...
Could a get a fishing pole cheap from somewhere off the shelf that I could modify to put a brush on?
How much?
Which is a good one?
Long enough?
Strong enough? ???
Sorry for taking Squeak's question off topic.
I've re-posted it, to make sure it stays on. Apologies.
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i loved my unger ali pole, 3 X 2 M, it lasted and lasted and lasted
then i tried the Ron Thompson zensorflex, it took 15 mins to convert ( which was sticking a short length of unger ali pipe on the end ( only to take the brush fittings etc etc )
my RT Z-flex is now over 1 year old, it cost me 21 quid delivered, this does every1 of my domestic houses ( no 3 storey houses though ), but if you have some of them, you can spend a extra 50 quid on a gangsta and you have a pole that will do it all
BUT
forget the cost though ( but for 21 quid, what have you got to lose, you are familar with the modular pole use, so you know what to expect )
its the lightness that does it for me, stick a lightened ( or light brush ) on the end and you have the lightest you will ever get
how much -- 21 quid
where -- google Ron Thompson zensorflex (THO-88018)
job done
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h ttp://wfpole.110mb.com/
OR
h ttp://wfpole2.110mb.com
are the 2 sites i did ( they are just mirror's of each other )
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Matt,
Do you still run your webstite?
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Cheers Matt.
Is this it?
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170264920766&cguid=1053dc2311d0a0aad4b2d6c2fffc04d9
cut and paste that.
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Rog,
The RT are now made by a big company called Zebco, so if your ringing round the shops ask them do they supply from Zebco then ask about the Zensorflex and the then the Gangsta. The Zensorflex is about 18ft and bendy compared to the S2 and the gangsta about 29ft and stiffer than the zensor. The 4th section of the emporium is quite big so the chances of the gangster largest section fitting anywhere near the broken s2 section is remote. The largest section of the Zensor comes somewhere near but its only a 4ft section. It takes a lot of time to do this cross matching at a distance so I have emailed you if you want to get back.
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Cheers Matt.
Is this it?
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170264920766&cguid=1053dc2311d0a0aad4b2d6c2fffc04d9
cut and paste that.
Good find but wrong pole its an 8metre one your looking for.
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Cheers Matt.
Is this it?
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170264920766&cguid=1053dc2311d0a0aad4b2d6c2fffc04d9
cut and paste that.
Good find but wrong pole its an 8metre one your looking for.
Doh! Of course!
Cheap though wasn't it?!
Ok, I'll look for the Gangsta. (cool name).
Wish I could nip and buy one, rather than waiting for mail order though. :(
The 4th section of the emporium is quite big so the chances of the gangster largest section fitting anywhere near the broken s2 section is remote. The largest section of the Zensor comes somewhere near but its only a 4ft section. It takes a lot of time to do this cross matching at a distance so I have emailed you if you want to get back.
I don't want to fit it into my existing pole.
Might as well have a complete new one.
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Cheshire fishing. Google them it might even be on special offer.
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Cheshire fishing. Google them it might even be on special offer.
Ok, I'll just nip up there.
Do they close at 5pm?
If average about 200mph I might just make it.
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www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/rthompson/poles.htm
Just try the telephone. ;D
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www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/rthompson/poles.htm
Just try the telephone. ;D
ftp,
With regards to Squeaks, it needs to be served on a silver platter for him; garnished with truffle and parsley.
I suspect he was a spoilt child.
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No, he's hoping Alex will read this and cycle up to Chepstow with a new S2 to cheer him up. ;D
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Nathaniel got a pole from Argos, dont know how it compares with a gangsta, you need a 13m pole cause the top 3 metre)sections are too thin
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www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/rthompson/poles.htm
Just try the telephone. ;D
ftp,
With regards to Squeaks, it needs to be put on a silver platter for him; garnished with truffle and parsley.
I suspect he was a spoilt child.
Tosh, don't be a large male chicken (if you can work that out).
I haven't got time for that have I?
I need it for monday.
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Nathaniel got a pole from Argos, dont know how it compares with a gangsta, you need a 13m pole cause the top 3 metre)sections are too thin
Ah! Bingo!
I knew there would be somewhere on a sunday!
I'll have a scan...
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Give a couple of these a ring and see if they are open sunday if they have a lake they usually are. argh wont let me. Try googling fishing tackle chepstow, you are looking for carp poles.
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www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/rthompson/poles.htm
Just try the telephone. ;D
ftp,
With regards to Squeaks, it needs to be put on a silver platter for him; garnished with truffle and parsley.
I suspect he was a spoilt child.
ian will be along to deny he spoilt him as a child ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I wasn't spoilt compared to some of my friends, but compared to where Tosh came from I probably was.
Reminds me of the Porridge sketch where Fletcher says "I used to consider myself working class, until I went Glasgow, now I see myself as middle class". ;D
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Tosh, don't be a large male chicken (if you can work that out).
A cockrell?
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Tosh, don't be a large male chicken (if you can work that out).
A cockrell?
god
this is better than the x factor ;D
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Reminds me of the Porridge sketch where Fletcher says "I used to consider myself working class, until I went Glasgow, now I see myself as middle class". ;D
Auf Weidersehn Pet (series II) used the same joke, but with regards to Newcastle.
So what's you're plan of action with this pole? I'm just being nosey, 'cos if you let me, I may copy you.
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Reminds me of the Porridge sketch where Fletcher says "I used to consider myself working class, until I went Glasgow, now I see myself as middle class". ;D
Auf Weidersehn Pet (series II) used the same joke, but with regards to Newcastle.
So what's you're plan of action with this pole? I'm just being nosey, 'cos if you let me, I may copy you.
Well me old chicken...
I'm going to jump in the deep end and get a decent length carbon pole.
Can't be that hard to fit the screw bit for the brush in the end. ???
Just need to cut it at the right point and glue it in.
As long as I'm careful with it, it'll be fine.
Besides, if it breaks it's a lot less costly than snapping a Superlite.
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FAO: Matt or Jeff
Gangsta pole:
What length are the modular sections of this pole?
Is it carbon or carbon composite with glass?
In comparison to a SL-2 how fragile would you rate the gangsta pole.
Reason I ask is because I can see the benefits of using very light fishing poles and I'm looking for a 24ft actual working height minimum and short length modular sections, ideally 4ft or shorter, carbon preferably and strong, able to withstand some neglect from a window cleaner who throws the poles around the place whilst working. Willing to go to £200 what would you advise ticks all the requirements mentioned above.
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Wayne,
E-mail Matt and ask for a link to his DIY site; I'm sure you'll find all you need to know; and more, there.
I'm sure Matt is bored with covering old ground, and I'm sure you'll like his DIY carbon fibre pole guide.
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Tosh, I've got a link to his site, spent some time trying to take in all the fishing pole DIY bits and bobs. It's a bit double dutch at the moment but slowly taking it on board. :)
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I've got links to the fishing suppliers but the websites don't specify clearly wether fishing poles are glass fibre, carbon, carbon composites and what lengths the sections are. That's why I'd like some info from Matt or Jeff regarding my earlier post.
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Squeaks,
Have you got enough information to sort a DIY pole out?
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FAO: Matt or Jeff
Gangsta pole:
What length are the modular sections of this pole?
Is it carbon or carbon composite with glass?
In comparison to a SL-2 how fragile would you rate the gangsta pole.
Reason I ask is because I can see the benefits of using very light fishing poles and I'm looking for a 24ft actual working height minimum and short length modular sections, ideally 4ft or shorter, carbon preferably and strong, able to withstand some neglect from a window cleaner who throws the poles around the place whilst working. Willing to go to £200 what would you advise ticks all the requirements mentioned above.
to be honest i dont know if its carbon or carbon composite, i just know its very light
i will measure the length tomorrow for you if no1 else comes along ( its bleeding freezing out and im sat in my shorts ), i have glued them in 2 piece lengths ( just makes it easier to put together ) leaving the last bit ( the brush length ) between 3 & 4 ft long for downstairs, i have used different coloured tape around the joints to aid quickness of putting it together, its also important as it stops the pole jamming ( by going in to far )
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Squeaks,
Have you got enough information to sort a DIY pole out?
tosh, if you use a unger 3 X 2M pole now, the RT Zensorflex is the exact same length, give it a whirl, its 21 quid
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Squeaks,
Have you got enough information to sort a DIY pole out?
Like I said, as long as I can stick the plastic screw bit in the end it's done isn't it?
Can't see how that could be too much problem. ???
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I've got links to the fishing suppliers but the websites don't specify clearly wether fishing poles are glass fibre, carbon, carbon composites and what lengths the sections are. That's why I'd like some info from Matt or Jeff regarding my earlier post.
Its down to the £££ Zensor 18ft -cheapest is glassfibre, Gangsta 29ft is a carbon composite and about £70, F16 is high carbonfibre content,41ft £250. So if you find a pole that compares with the prices you will know what your paying for. They are all made by spinning on an individual mandrel and baked in an oven.
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc114/JeffBrimble/2008_0828CillBrush0077.jpg)
Cut the alu tube 2 1/4" from tip and then cut the RT tip, glue and fit the alu piece inside. Fit the elbow after drilling two new adapter holes- they have to be exactly at the correct angle or the tools will be lob sided :D
I started with a Leeda Blue diamond but its no longer made the F16 was the nearest I could get to it. The £250 package is unbeatable value.
I suggest everyone start with a Zensorflex as you will need the no4 section to make a top piece that will fit on most other poles. Then if the 29ft Gangsta is high enough use that but if you need to go higher then get the F16 or a Sl2 or Emporium which will all take extension sections.
There are a lot of makes and it does get really confusing if you try to absorb it all in one go.
Back in a mo with pic from the diy site- if I can get it to post without getting blocked- this darned glitchy forum. Watch this reply for update.
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jeff, thats a posh bit of board your doing that on, makes mine look rather poor
to any1
how do we put pics on here ? ?? ? ? it allways hangs for me
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[img ]http://ht tp://http ://
// i215 .photo bucket.com/ albums/cc114/JeffBrimble/2008_0828CillBrush0077.jpg[/img] Join the gaps and you get my above pic. This forum blocks it when its written like that. So .... after the img bit remove the ht tp bit until ypu get to the i215. then paste into your text.
But you have to join photobucket and load your pics onto your own albumthere first, then copy the img link 4rth option in bucket when you have loaded it. Thats a nights work if you havent done it before as the usa site is slow this time of the day ;D
Oh stuff Matt I will post it over on your forum as its blocking my text here ... again. ::)
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my workmate, and the end of the unger pole slide over the fishing pole
(http://wfpole.110mb.com/ungerpole.JPG)
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Jeff, that's far more complicated than I need to do. :o
All I'll do is cut the pole at the point where it's just wide enough to wedge in the plastic thread for attaching my plastic swivel head.
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Jeff, that's far more complicated than I need to do. :o
All I'll do is cut the pole at the point where it's just wide enough to wedge in the plastic thread for attaching my plastic swivel head.
the advantage of the unger bit inside ( or outside the pole ) is that you get ALOT more surface to glue
ive had minenow for just over 1 year and its only just come unglued ( last week as it happens ) i dried it off and gave it a wrap or 3 or tape and it was good for the day, i than put some more glue on and i trust it will last another year
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OK Rog post a pic when you have done it to help others.
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Sliding a plastic tube into a pole?
I don't think it requires a picture! ;D
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you can then buy a unger brush adaptor and you will be able to fit any brush
(http://wfpole.110mb.com/screwend.JPG)
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Matt pm me your photobucket link in text form and I will send it back, put some spaces in the text.
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Matt pm me your photobucket link in text form and I will send it back, put some spaces in the text.
can you not see the pic them jeff, i can on here
wfpole.110mb.com/screwend.JPG
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Nope perhaps its me pc ?
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Nope perhaps its me pc ?
can any1 else ? ? ? ?
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mr brimble i must add this to the cheap zenoflex pole idea. with these pics i'm gonna add is all you need and on the section you trim down Jeff with the straight bit you only need to trim a couple of inches, and the plastic fantastic fits on the screw thread, and Jeff you know where to get these from you use one of there poles or helped reach new heights 80 plus feet
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When i made my second Gangsta type pole i used the bottom four inches of the discarded section to beef up the top section of with the pole with the thread. I left the threaded bit attatched to about four inches of metal broomhandle and bonded it in. Zensorflex are glassfibre and a little stronger. Gangsta is carbon composite, very light, a little whippy but great to use. However, fishing poles are always fragile and won't take abuse. Don't try pushing windows shut and certainly don't tread on them. :-[
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you can then buy a unger brush adaptor and you will be able to fit any brush
Language!
No need for the "U" word. :o
I can use any brush already. ???
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mr brimble i must add this to the cheap zenoflex pole idea. with these pics i'm gonna add is all you need and on the section you trim down Jeff with the straight bit you only need to trim a couple of inches, and the plastic fantastic fits on the screw thread, and Jeff you know where to get these from you use one of there poles or helped reach new heights 80 plus feet
Cheers, good idea and I remember you mentioned it before.
But I find the Unger bit is more versatile- more tools. but you can always use the top half of the unger ebow on the bottom half of the universal ( I think)
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the only other thing to remember is that when the sun hits it, you dont get pretty patterns like other poles :P :P :P thats the only downside
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Lets fight! ;D as Harry Hill would say.
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I cant see it either Matt. Blank with a little red cross in the corner.
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Is there any working difference between carbon and carbon/glass composite?
Argos have a composite 8M pole at £40,
Second thoughts...looks crap and expensive next to the Zensorflex. :-\
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jeff check this out 24m pole its got to be one of the biggest fishing poles around wonder how high that would go as a wfp its on ebay item number is 150304309619
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Squeak it needs to be the strongest carp pole you can get so it needs a high rating. Names like hit and hold or commercial fisheries pole are normally the strongest. Margin poles are strong too but too short for your needs (Zensorflex). The longest, strongest but more importantly cheapest is the Gangsta.
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I needed a pole in a rush and got the 11mtr Shimano one from Argos. I needed something light just for 1 job,.. and that job paid for it, so I wasn't bothered if it didn't last.
That was 4 months ago,... now it's my favourite pole!
Fishing poles are extremely light, and much more rigid than most telescopic poles. I'm still planning on buying and SL2, but will continue using cheap fishing poles for everyday work up to about 35'.
You can get 11mtr poles off ebay for £64!
www.cgi.ebay.ie/shakespeare-11m-xcede-power-pole-18-elastic-rated-carp_W0QQitemZ330258408289QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item330258408289&_trkparms=72%3A1301|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Roger (Squeaks),
How did you get on with the pole?
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Haven't got one yet.
Not sure what's going to happen about work tomorrow.
Obviously monday means shops, but I've got some high domestics due.
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Rog, have you got an old Unger telepole that you could stick sections 1-3 on top of ?
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Rog, have you got an old Unger telepole that you could stick sections 1-3 on top of ?
I don't know what that is, sorry. ???
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Roger,
Did you sort out your pole?
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aye, come on rog, what happened
tosh if you were a mate of his, you would make him a pole :P :P :P
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aye, come on rog, what happened
tosh if you were a mate of his, you would make him a pole :P :P :P
I'm sure I'm capable of cutting the end off and inserting a plastic tube. ;D
5 minute job.
As I said on the other thread though...which pole?
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*bump*
Zensorflex, Gangsta, Reload?
Which one?
Best place to buy?
Please!
(bear in mind I can't spend loads)
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Zensorflex would be my choice, it might not be quite long enough for you, you could buy 2 of them ( you can use the 2 base sections for a extra 6 ft and keep the other bits for spares), thus 40 quid ( ish )
Gangsta, Reload are the same pole, it used to be called the reload now the gangsta
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Did reply on other thread. Zensor (try swiftys tackle) and Gangsta (Cheshire fishing).
The gangsta was a lucky find/replacement for the Reload which was taken out of production. The same will happen to the Gangsta one day, its how fishing pole companies work so that you must have the latest must have pole at the higher price.
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Zensorflex would be my choice, it might not be quite long enough for you, you could buy 2 of them ( you can use the 2 base sections for a extra 6 ft and keep the other bits for spares), thus 40 quid ( ish )
£40 each or for two?
I was hoping to keep this down to £50 tops really.
Are you saying they are 6ft sections? :o
What about the Gangsta?
What's the difference between that and Z'flex? (in window cleaning use)
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Jeff, is it this one?
There's lots and I don't know if this is it.
www.swiftys-fishing-tackle.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/6583
If you go back to previous menu there's loads. ???
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Zensorflex would be my choice, it might not be quite long enough for you, you could buy 2 of them ( you can use the 2 base sections for a extra 6 ft and keep the other bits for spares), thus 40 quid ( ish )
£40 each or for two?
I was hoping to keep this down to £50 tops really.
Are you saying they are 6ft sections? :o
What about the Gangsta?
What's the difference between that and Z'flex? (in window cleaning use)
40 quid for the pair ( they are 20 quid each )
sections are about 3 ft long, but if you pair them up, they are of course 6 ft
Gangster is longer, its 50 - 60 quid, its carbon and lighter, but thinner
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Zensorflex would be my choice, it might not be quite long enough for you, you could buy 2 of them ( you can use the 2 base sections for a extra 6 ft and keep the other bits for spares), thus 40 quid ( ish )
£40 each or for two?
I was hoping to keep this down to £50 tops really.
Are you saying they are 6ft sections? :o
What about the Gangsta?
What's the difference between that and Z'flex? (in window cleaning use)
40 quid for the pair ( they are 20 quid each )
sections are about 3 ft long, but if you pair them up, they are of course 6 ft
Gangster is longer, its 50 - 60 quid, its carbon and lighter, but thinner
Is the Zensorflex heavy then?
I don't mind paying £59 for the Gangsta, but if the Z'flex is good why waste money?
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Jeff, is it this one?
There's lots and I don't know if this is it.
www.swiftys-fishing-tackle.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/6583
If you go back to previous menu there's loads. ???
Yes
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OK Rog one step at a time just try the Zensor then get the gangsta when your ready.
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OK Rog one step at a time just try the Zensor then get the gangsta when your ready.
Why? ???
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OK Rog one step at a time just try the Zensor then get the gangsta when your ready.
Why? ???
'Cos it's cheap 'n' easy. Rog, if you want, give me a shout and have a go at mine.
No probs. Honest.
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Oh, and the gangsta is bigger and more expensive; do you need the extra height?
One Zensor will do you for all your 1st and ground floor work.
Two cheap Zensors will give you enough height to reach 3 storey stuff; and you'll have a load of spare sections (the thinner ones) for when you or your customers go stamping on them too.
Then later, you can get a bigger - better quality - Gangster for 'best' (high work); when you can afford it.
I'm guessing the above is what Jeff and Matt is saying.
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OK Rog one step at a time just try the Zensor then get the gangsta when your ready.
Why? ???
Sounded to me that your a bit unsure so I suggested taking the cheaper easier option. But the Zensor is approx 18ft and I thought you wanted a bit higher so also suggested the Gangsta 30ftish. But then again if you get your SL1 fixed you may not need the Gangsta.
You will find the Zensor a lot bendier than the SL1
Hope this helps I know it can be really confusing so make a decision and just do it.
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OK Rog one step at a time just try the Zensor then get the gangsta when your ready.
Why? ???
Sounded to me that your a bit unsure so I suggested taking the cheaper easier option. But the Zensor is approx 18ft and I thought you wanted a bit higher so also suggested the Gangsta 30ftish. But then again if you get your SL1 fixed you may not need the Gangsta.
You will find the Zensor a lot bendier than the SL1
Hope this helps I know it can be really confusing so make a decision and just do it.
It's an SL2, and nearly every section is broke or knackered in some way.
Need a new complete pole.
Top section is ok, so fishing pole could slide into that with no modifications at all, except maybe sawing a bit off.
You say Zensor is 18ft, but 8M is 24ft. ???
Is that because the top couple are too thin?
I don't like bendy poles, so would I prefer Gangsta then?
I've got some houses where I go 20ft at under 45degrees.
Tough even with SL2.
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'Cos it's cheap 'n' easy. Rog, if you want, give me a shout and have a go at mine.
I wish I had today.
I need to order tonight. :-\
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20ft at 45 degrees is when you can damage yourself. The Zensor will be really bendy like that and you will have to stretch. You also need the Gangsta then. Now its not as stiff as the SL but it will be ok
.I would guess that the wall thickness is thicker than the SL but not as much c/f so not as stiff.
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and if you tread on it its going to be a lot cheaper to buy another new pole. ;D ;D ;D
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I've got some houses where I go 20ft at under 45degrees.
Tough even with SL2.
How many is 'some houses'? Is getting a Gangsta worth the extra cost for maybe two houses? And then you'd be using this one pole on ALL your work; thereby knackering it up quickly.
Wouldn't the cheaper Zensor be better for your routine work, and then getting a Gangster when finances improve?
(I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here).
If you want, you can call tomorrow morning and have a bash at my Zensor; it'll have to be before 8.30/8.45 am though. Bring your brush, 'cos mine is heavy and maybe won't give a true reflection of what the pole is like; maybe?
Even if you order a pole now, it'll not arrive any sooner than if you order one tomorrow morning.
Regards,
Tosh.
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How many is 'some houses'? Is getting a Gangsta worth the extra cost for maybe two houses? And then you'd be using this one pole on ALL your work; thereby knackering it up quickly.
Wouldn't the cheaper Zensor be better for your routine work, and then getting a Gangster when finances improve?
Some houses is only 4 actually.
But due to awkwardness they're £15 each and I can do them all in just over an hour.
At £60 by 10 o'clock they're some of my best jobs.
I'd rather keep them.
I wouldn't use it all the time either.
As with my SL2, it's only when my 12ft extender doesn't reach.
I may call round if I'm early enough.
I can do the house opposite while the traffic dies down!
If I'm not there by 8.40ish though, don't hang about obviously!
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So order a Gangster then; and in a week-or-so order a Zensor!
And a 12 foot pole is too short; I bet when you use that your hands are up by your chest and face most of the time; that's too short in my humble opinion; which is why you've worn your SL2 out, which should've been kept for 'best'.
Still, I could be wrong; give me a shout, mate, if you want to have a shot of my DIY jobbie.
I'd like to have a go at your SL2; I've had a shot of Ian_Giles's, but that was ages ago.
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nope you need the 4rth section of a zensor to fit onto the gangsta.
night :)
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I may call round if I'm early enough.
I can do the house opposite while the traffic dies down!
If I'm not there by 8.40ish though, don't hang about obviously!
No probs. I'll see you in the morning if you're there.
PS. What's Jeff on about with his 4th section of zensor to fit onto the gangsta? You just think you're about sorted and he chucks in a 'wild card'? Still, it's well past his bedtime.
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And a 12 foot pole is too short; I bet when you use that your hands are up by your chest and face most of the time; that's too short in my humble opinion; which is why you've worn your SL2 out, which should've been kept for 'best'.
I'd like to have a go at your SL2; I've had a shot of Ian_Giles's, but that was ages ago.
I cope fine with a 12ft pole.
Enough for 70% of houses I reckon.
Some days SL2 barely comes out at all.
Like you say though, I probably stretch more often than I should.
Don't forget mate, I'm not 4ft 8". ;D
You can look at my SL2, but you'll have a job to have a go on it.
That's why I need a new pole!
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Don't forget mate, I'm not 4ft 8". ;D
Hey,
I can't stand cheeky kids! Watch it!
See you in the morning, if you can make it out of your 'scratcher' on time.
;)
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Gangster pole arrived today.
Lovely kit! 8)
A bit of a rough carbon feel to it, but rigid and light.
The top 3 or 4 sections are tiny, so they're useless, but the rest will slot straight into my SL2 top section.
Job done.
The tube that it comes in fits onto the end to give another 5ft section.
It actually sleeves over it, rather than inside.
Result is, from a 33ft pole I reckon with the old top section I've got a usable 27ft pole.
And for £59 that is a result! :)
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Rog,
Stick a link up from where you bought it; I'm going to get one.
Cheers.
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Gangster pole arrived today.
Lovely kit! 8)
but the rest will slot straight into my SL2 top section.
Result is, from a 33ft pole I reckon with the old top section I've got a usable 27ft pole.
And for £59 that is a result! :)
Rog,
Be honest, how does the Gangster DIY pole compare with your SL2?
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Gangster pole arrived today.
Lovely kit! 8)
but the rest will slot straight into my SL2 top section.
Result is, from a 33ft pole I reckon with the old top section I've got a usable 27ft pole.
And for £59 that is a result! :)
Rog,
Be honest, how does the Gangster DIY pole compare with your SL2?
Obviously haven't used it yet, but it feels slightly more bendy, yet similar weight.
It's really light.
It's a bit rougher in your hand, as I guess it's just not sanded off.
Feels just as strong too, as the carbon fibre wraps around the pole like on SL2, as opposed to along the pole on SL1.
This is where I got it.
Seems to be £20 cheaper than everywhere else, and I got it next day.
www.cheshirefishing.co.uk/shop/rthompson/poles.htm
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If the top section doesnt fit properly inside the Sl2 use tape on the tip or the base of the gangster to pack it out as needed. Push it in until its NEARLY home and rattle the tip inside the sl2 section if it rattles wrap a turn or two of pvc tape to pad it out similar with the base of the sl2 where it meets the gangster if there is a gap wrap tape rounf the gangsta to take up the play.
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Rog, it won't be as strong as the S2 more like the S1 so you'll have to be gentle with it. The base section though is very strong. I would chop the base off the last section you chuck away to strengthen the tip of your pole if you can. Just superglue it on.
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Rog, it won't be as strong as the S2 more like the S1 so you'll have to be gentle with it. The base section though is very strong. I would chop the base off the last section you chuck away to strengthen the tip of your pole if you can. Just superglue it on.
Good idea.
Jeff, if it goes in too far then I could always cut a few inches off.
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Has anyone made up a 40' pole from fishing poles?
I'd be interested to know, because it would be worth it to do some of those occasional high jobs.
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Rog,
Stick a link up from where you bought it; I'm going to get one.
Cheers.
Tosh, before you do, have a go with mine.
It's way bendier than the SL2.
Not what I was led to believe.
I got the work done that I needed it for, but it wasn't easy.
You're waiting for it to snap.
Seems ok when working straight up, but not at an angle.
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thats a issue the RT z-flex doesnt really suffer with, mine has very little flex
thus if i go higher i add to the bottom sections
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thats a issue the RT z-flex doesnt really suffer with, mine has very little flex
Hang on, I was told the Zensorflex will too bendy for that job, and I'll need the Gangster!
So i've been given the wrong advice and spent more money i didn't have. :(
Look!
20ft at 45 degrees is when you can damage yourself. The Zensor will be really bendy like that and you will have to stretch. You also need the Gangsta then. Now its not as stiff as the SL but it will be ok
.I would guess that the wall thickness is thicker than the SL but not as much c/f so not as stiff.
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Arghh I see, what you (all) needed was or is proof, you needed a pic like this but of the comparison between the zen and the gangster. I will try and get it right next time :-[ will post a pic laters.
The stiffest is the emporium next is the f16 and bendiest is an Unger - all with a 1lb weight on the end. But best to use a light brush.
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thats a issue the RT z-flex doesnt really suffer with, mine has very little flex
Hang on, I was told the Zensorflex will too bendy for that job, and I'll need the Gangster!
So i've been given the wrong advice and spent more money i didn't have. :(
Look!
20ft at 45 degrees is when you can damage yourself. The Zensor will be really bendy like that and you will have to stretch. You also need the Gangsta then. Now its not as stiff as the SL but it will be ok
.I would guess that the wall thickness is thicker than the SL but not as much c/f so not as stiff.
jeff is right, but if you had got 2 zensorflex's and extended from the bottom, you would have had 4 base sections that will not bend
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also, if you get a zenserfles, you can mix the bottom few sections and do away with some of the gangsta sections to get the same height, the bottom sections are of course thicker
to get to roughly 10 M i use only the base section and 2 sections of the gangsta, the rest are Z-flex
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I could probably mix and match with the SL2.
It's only the big sections that are broken.
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Thats very surprising the base sections by their diameter should have the most strength, did they split lengthways ?
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Thats very surprising the base sections by their diameter should have the most strength, did they split lengthways ?
No sideways, along the wrap if you like.
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here is a little site some might find handy www.polerepairs.co.uk
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Was chatting to Scott today (Esselle pole repairs), he can make an "Incresa" piece that would join a Gangster to an F16 extension section for approx £25. That would give you a way to get to 35-40ftish actual pole height by using 2 x F16 extension sections for £105 added to a £60 gangster = £200 ish.
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sound good jeff, ive also got a site for spare pole sections but cant find what i done with it, shame really cause i spoke to them i while back and they had a section for the powerloop i use. but thats the way it goes but at least i got my old man old 20m pole still to use.
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Hiya Smithys I keep forgetting your new identity ;) Damm If you cannot remember the spares site no one can ?
You noticed any
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yep then wait for the explosion.
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thats a issue the RT z-flex doesnt really suffer with, mine has very little flex
Hang on, I was told the Zensorflex will too bendy for that job, and I'll need the Gangster!
So i've been given the wrong advice and spent more money i didn't have. :(
Look!
20ft at 45 degrees is when you can damage yourself. The Zensor will be really bendy like that and you will have to stretch. You also need the Gangsta then. Now its not as stiff as the SL but it will be ok
.I would guess that the wall thickness is thicker than the SL but not as much c/f so not as stiff.
Rog,
Since you've got a Gangster and I've got the Zensor, why don't we get together and have a 'play' with them.
Then we can work out what we need; I want a longer pole before the end of this month.
I know that sounds really gay, but I'm not, I promise.
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Oh yeh, with an avatar like that , you cannot be serious ;D
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thats a issue the RT z-flex doesnt really suffer with, mine has very little flex
Hang on, I was told the Zensorflex will too bendy for that job, and I'll need the Gangster!
So i've been given the wrong advice and spent more money i didn't have. :(
Look!
20ft at 45 degrees is when you can damage yourself. The Zensor will be really bendy like that and you will have to stretch. You also need the Gangsta then. Now its not as stiff as the SL but it will be ok
.I would guess that the wall thickness is thicker than the SL but not as much c/f so not as stiff.
Rog,
Since you've got a Gangster and I've got the Zensor, why don't we get together and have a 'play' with them.
Then we can work out what we need; I want a longer pole before the end of this month.
I know that sounds really gay, but I'm not, I promise.
tosh the end bit of the gangsta will fit over the end section ( the case bit ) of the Z-flex, dont forget my case bit it glued to the next section, then i use2 sections of the gangsta, then my z-flex on top of that, thus a very close to 10 m pole
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Oh yeh, with an avatar like that , you cannot be serious ;D
Hey,
It's good to be in touch with your feminine side!
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tosh the end bit of the gangsta will fit over the end section ( the case bit ) of the Z-flex, dont forget my case bit it glued to the next section, then i use2 sections of the gangsta, then my z-flex on top of that, thus a very close to 10 m pole
Matt,
What do you mean by the 'case bit'? Do you mean the thick end of the pole where the trademark name is?
So basically what you're saying is that I use the two-bottom-thick ends of the Gangsta; then your Zensorflex on top of that?
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PS. I did a first clean of a commercial property this morning; it had about 40 large(ish) panes of 1st floor glass to clean and they were filthy; probably hadn't been done in years. It would've normally taken three-sections of my heavy aliminunium pole at full reach and some graft, but the DIY Zensor was a dream (in comparison) to work with.
I'm finding the light DIY pole is quicker too; less water used; and I'm not as tired at the end of each day; oh, and I can't wait to get out to work too.
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tosh the end bit of the gangsta will fit over the end section ( the case bit ) of the Z-flex, dont forget my case bit it glued to the next section, then i use2 sections of the gangsta, then my z-flex on top of that, thus a very close to 10 m pole
Matt,
What do you mean by the 'case bit'? Do you mean the thick end of the pole where the trademark name is?
So basically what you're saying is that I use the two-bottom-thick ends of the Gangsta; then your Zensorflex on top of that?
nope
the gangsta NAME bit into the Z-fex name bit ( which is glued to the next Zflex bit ) then the next 2 gangsta bits, then onto the z-flex pole as it is
so you only use 3 bits of the gangsta the way i do it
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Cheers, I understand now. Sorry I made you use your crayons to show me what's what.
I'm a Geordie.
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Cheers, I understand now. Sorry I made you use your crayons to show me what's what.
I'm a Geordie.
;D ;D
it might work different ways though, but i know the way i do it works well enough
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Rog,
Stick a link up from where you bought it; I'm going to get one.
Cheers.
Tosh, before you do, have a go with mine.
It's way bendier than the SL2.
Not what I was led to believe.
I got the work done that I needed it for, but it wasn't easy.
You're waiting for it to snap.
Seems ok when working straight up, but not at an angle.
Rog, how did you get on with your DIY pole today?
Also, when you say it works 'straight up, but not at an angle, I've not had any problems with mine at all; what is it that you're trying to do with yours? What angle; how far?
I've just had my lightweight brush and angle arrive; and I can't wait for Monday to get back out working and try it out.
But, as Wor Lass says, I'm a 'sad bloke'.
I think I'll go and clean my own windows now, but firstly I just need to go and put my (train-spotting) jacket on first!
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if you use a Vikan ( or similar brush with the brush connecton set at a angle ), the angle the brush is set at is just the right angle, so you only need a unger brush adaptor
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Sounds like the Angle of the Dangle ;D
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Rog,
Stick a link up from where you bought it; I'm going to get one.
Cheers.
Tosh, before you do, have a go with mine.
It's way bendier than the SL2.
Not what I was led to believe.
I got the work done that I needed it for, but it wasn't easy.
You're waiting for it to snap.
Seems ok when working straight up, but not at an angle.
Rog, how did you get on with your DIY pole today?
Also, when you say it works 'straight up, but not at an angle, I've not had any problems with mine at all; what is it that you're trying to do with yours? What angle; how far?
I've just had my lightweight brush and angle arrive; and I can't wait for Monday to get back out working and try it out.
But, as Wor Lass says, I'm a 'sad bloke'.
I think I'll go and clean my own windows now, but firstly I just need to go and put my (train-spotting) jacket on first!
Only needed it on one window today, and attached it to the top two Superlight sections.
No problems.
The bendy angle yesterday?
About 20ft at 45 degrees.
If you can picture them, it's the houses on the left as you turn into The Danes.
Sloping drives and windows above the garages. :o