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Title: Gutter pricing?
Post by: ftp on October 11, 2008, 07:19:31 pm
Used to pricing windows now and have a pretty good idea of what the market will stand in my area. But what about gutters? What do you think people will pay to have them emtied or emptied and outsides washed? What are your guidelines?
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Chris Galloway on October 11, 2008, 07:27:48 pm
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: matt on October 11, 2008, 08:09:11 pm
20 - 30  quid a side for a 3 bed semi

Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Oakley Windows on October 11, 2008, 10:05:26 pm
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.

So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: suds window service on October 11, 2008, 10:08:31 pm
did a four bed today gutters fascias and the underneaths 70 quid.
 also did his conservatory full clean from top to bottom at 40 quid.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: suds window service on October 11, 2008, 10:12:25 pm
oh then did his neighbours conservatory full clean at 40 quid.
then another neighbours conservatory roof at 15 quid.....not a bad day 8)
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: matt on October 11, 2008, 10:49:30 pm
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.

So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?

120 quid for me

as it had gutters on al 4 sides, it doesnt have gable ends, thus no really high allmost 3 storey bargeboards
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: trike on October 11, 2008, 10:50:17 pm
two gutter cleans tomorrow next to each other 25 quid each
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 12:08:37 am
Here we go!  gutters will go the same way as windows - rubbish money for hard work. When will you chaps learn that gutter cleaning is dangerous or expensive (if you have invested in the latest gear). Houses have a minimum charge of at least £50, commercial charge at least £90 per hour or your just wrecking the industry for yourself. Look at the alternatives (roofers usually do this job, scaffolding, cherry pickers) stop being window cleaners with crappy window cleaning prices.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 12:24:30 am
two gutter cleans tomorrow next to each other 25 quid each

You deserve to go bust at those prices  :-[
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Chris Galloway on October 12, 2008, 01:26:30 am
Here we go!  gutters will go the same way as windows - rubbish money for hard work. When will you chaps learn that gutter cleaning is dangerous or expensive (if you have invested in the latest gear). Houses have a minimum charge of at least £50, commercial charge at least £90 per hour or your just wrecking the industry for yourself. Look at the alternatives (roofers usually do this job, scaffolding, cherry pickers) stop being window cleaners with crappy window cleaning prices.

Its bad enough trying to get £15 out of residential punters for a 4 weekly clean, let alone much more of guttering. I would rather price lower, and actually get money in my pocket then not get any money at all.. trust me if the price is not worth them having it done then they wont.  And again, it depends on who you are working for, and how well off they are.

Commercial you can price high, but with resi they will always find a beerboy, who will do it for even less. Just because there is legislation it means nothing to the beer boys or residential punters. were not all as lucky as those with lucrative commercial contracts, who insist on H&S.

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So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?
Id check the internal first to see if it needed doing but thats 3*10*4 = £120 for fascias and gutter outside clean, and the same for gutter internal, if it all needed doing.

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two gutter cleans tomorrow next to each other 25 quid each
But yeah that is a bit cheap, how much guttering is there? 8 metres in total?  ???
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: trike on October 12, 2008, 07:46:17 am
two gutter cleans tomorrow next to each other 25 quid each

You deserve to go bust at those prices  :-[
as far as im concerned 50quid for a hour and a halfs work is a good price any more i wouild be over charging im happy with that. ;D front side and back.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: trike on October 12, 2008, 07:52:00 am
two gutter cleans tomorrow next to each other 25 quid each

You deserve to go bust at those prices  :-[
as far as im concerned 50quid for a hour and a halfs work is a good price any more i wouild be over charging im happy with that. ;D front side and back.the going rate here is 25 a three bed semi,like i have saiod befor,i only get 5 quid for cleaning 3bed semis windows,they wont pay any more.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: trike on October 12, 2008, 07:54:16 am
Here we go!  gutters will go the same way as windows - rubbish money for hard work. When will you chaps learn that gutter cleaning is dangerous or expensive (if you have invested in the latest gear). Houses have a minimum charge of at least £50, commercial charge at least £90 per hour or your just wrecking the industry for yourself. Look at the alternatives (roofers usually do this job, scaffolding, cherry pickers) stop being window cleaners with crappy window cleaning prices.
sory other way round,if i charged 50 i wouildnt go bust i wouild have no work anyway.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: elite mike on October 12, 2008, 08:59:07 am
hi guys
we have a minimum charge of £65.00 for gutter cleaning,

average bung or 3 bed semi

more for bigger properties :)

always busy ;D
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: matt on October 12, 2008, 09:41:00 am
Here we go!  gutters will go the same way as windows - rubbish money for hard work. When will you chaps learn that gutter cleaning is dangerous or expensive (if you have invested in the latest gear). Houses have a minimum charge of at least £50, commercial charge at least £90 per hour or your just wrecking the industry for yourself. Look at the alternatives (roofers usually do this job, scaffolding, cherry pickers) stop being window cleaners with crappy window cleaning prices.

50 quid a hour

here we go again, people charging silly money as they have a bit of kit that they feel makes them on par with a doctor
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Oakley Windows on October 12, 2008, 09:45:21 am
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.

So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?

120 quid for me

as it had gutters on al 4 sides, it doesnt have gable ends, thus no really high allmost 3 storey bargeboards

Thats what Id charge, approx 2 1/2 hours work there IMO, was curious to know what Chris would charge with his rates that appears to workout at £240.00, which IMO isnt likely to be tolerated by custys.

Matt
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 09:47:07 am
cleaning gutters can be a really nasty job if you havent all the gear, i done a fascias and soffits job the other day, i charged £95 took 2 hours got a £15 tip as unblocked a down pipe on ground floor extension, and also got told id definatly be used again and recomended to others, I dont understand why people under charge for this type of job as custys no its not a job they could easily do and if they could they wouldnt do it as quick or safely.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: ftp on October 12, 2008, 10:44:13 am
I've always undercharged in the past on outside cleaning and soffits compared to other cleaners. I now have the capability to empty from the ground with a vac and so need to recoup my expense. I only know of one or two peoples prices which initially seemed high. I'm interested in everyones view. Because this might be a once a year clean for most i can see the possibility of pricing fairly high. the next month should be very busy once the leaves start falling.
 Regarding commercial then KevR is right - if they can't have ladders then they need specialist equipment = large hire costs for equipment and manpower.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Chris Galloway on October 12, 2008, 11:08:42 am
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.

So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?

120 quid for me

as it had gutters on al 4 sides, it doesnt have gable ends, thus no really high allmost 3 storey bargeboards

Thats what Id charge, approx 2 1/2 hours work there IMO, was curious to know what Chris would charge with his rates that appears to workout at £240.00, which IMO isnt likely to be tolerated by custys.

Matt

tbh, ive dont a very similar house to this already. The lady only wanted the internal gutter clean, and at the time i was doing it for £2/meter, she had over 50 metres of guttering. Even i thought it would be too much - but she was prepared to pay it. I said hold on, i'll check first what actually needs doing.
Only approx half of it actually needed doin, its a fact the her guttering had been installed buy a bunch a cowboys, and really needed re doing, as its wasn't running away properly.  So she actually got a bill for £30 instead of nearer £60, and i spent over 2 hours doing the job on a ladder! (which was very wrong as i nearly came off sideways 3 times)

tbh, if i did the house as we say, i would actually throw in the window clean for free, because i would only make it dirty in the process, of doing soffits, fascias etc.

@ftp, ive paid out for the vac, but i dont intend to charge much cos i have a bit of kit, i think of it as a bit of kit that helps me do the job to a safer degree than doing it off a ladder, i dont see why my next gutter customer has to pay more than my last ones which i did by hand (especially if i have to ask them to use their electricity)

commercial clients are a entirely different to residential, as residential dont care about WAHR let alone know what they are. So you can charge £90 / hour for commercial, but for resi, unless you live in millionaires row, there is no chance of charging £50/hr, they will just find someone cheaper with a bucket and a set of ladders.

I tend not to charge per hour as some jobs you just dont know how long it might take, so i charge per approx metre, that why i can say definitely how much it would be, and take my time, and take a break now and then to rest arm, shoulders should i need it.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 11:34:53 am
The reason I dont wish to charge low prices like £15 per hour or even £50 for two hours work is you will continue to live hand to mouth for ever. At that point you have a self employed JOB not a business.

If one man can clean residential windows at £40 an hour (most can wfp if pricing is sensible) why clean gutters for less?

We have the beer money crowd here to. They dont effect my business at all. Price well and you will get better work, stay cheap and you will get the price shopping skinflints as customers as they think YOUR in it for the beer money.

If your running a bona fide business you have higher running costs. So your charges must cover these. I see many a window cleaning companies come and go because most dont charge enough and the costs catch up with them (like tax) and then they realise their not making as much money as they though. On £15-25 an hour your better off in employment.


Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Oakley Windows on October 12, 2008, 11:46:01 am
Wherever you are in the country £6.50 an hour is a pittance; I wouldnt fart for that. I wonder if your getting confused between what is a good rate of earning and what is the bare minimum.

I used to think ANYTHING was good (maybe I even thought anything is better than nothing).

IMO it isnt what you can get away with but what the market tolerates. I think the way to find this out is to see how many jobs out of the next 20 you price you actually secure. If you secure all 20 then your pricing structure is too low. If you secure 15 its still too low. Secure maybe 10 and your get binned by the others your somewhere near what you need to be.

Another way of looking at it, regarding your £15.00 an hour rate of earning. Lets say on average after weather causes a certain number of hours cancelled work throughout the week, holidays you take, sickness, bank holidays and just days out, that you will work 30 hours a week for 45 weeks a year? That means you'll earn just over £20,000 a year. BEFORE ANY COSTS and associated financial burdens (tax, nat. ins, public liability insurance, materials, vehicle, fuel, vehicle servicing, MOT, upkeep of vehicle............) is there any point in being self-employed if after everything your income is in the same arena as the national average?

Matt
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 11:55:39 am

dont know what jobs down your way pay but £6.50 an hour is good here,so £15 an hour is good for a trad cleaner with  low overheads

£6.50 an hour for staff is a good rate - now add on a further 20% for employment costs and then the extra costs of replacing equipment, vans  and all the other associated costs. Then factor in the profit you would like to make, your seriously looking at £30 - £40 per hour per man and thats running a competitive outfit.

Ok now if your a trad cleaner working from your car / old van then £15 an hour seems fine, but this will never allow you to employ or expand unless your employee is earning much the same as you, or you get rid of your work and start again.

Dont get me wrong but at those prices especially trad, one little accident that lays you up,  will be the nail in the coffin of your business / job as you will never recover your costs.

£10 per house is the going minimum WC rate here for most of the "proper cleaners" One man can do 3.5 - 4 of these constantly an hour.

If you earning less than that and you never want to expand - you just want to work for yourself and your not worried about downtime due to accident or illness then good luck to you, but if you want a business that takes care of you eventually then you need to increase your profile and prices.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: ftp on October 12, 2008, 12:00:54 pm
Some conflicting answers here which is good. Some odd ones too  :-\ What's the point in investing in expensive kit and then saying you're not going to charge much? You have to get a return or there is absolutely no point in buying it surely? I've spent probably close to a thousand just to get into the guttering market. If i charge at £6.50 per hour or even £15  i'll never pay for it or even have a descent living.  ???
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 12:13:26 pm
all you need for guttering is a ladder and a bucket its not rocket science


But mending broken bones is  ;)


Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Oakley Windows on October 12, 2008, 12:21:57 pm
The guys cleaning cars in Sainsburys car-parks will earn more than you Stan and with no need for a ladder and no risk of ending up in a wheel-chair paralysed from the neck down til they die (ever wondered how paraplegics in wheel-chairs manage to go to the loo?, its messy, degrading, invasive and involves someone elses fingers)
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Chris Galloway on October 12, 2008, 01:13:35 pm
Personally id pay £1000 for a bit of kit to do a job safely than to do it off ladders. My life and livelihood is worth that much at least, and i still charge the same than i did with the trad method. BUT i dont knock anyone on their pricing policies, its what YOU want to charge YOUR customers, and what YOU feel you can get from them.

Its YOUR life, YOUR business, run it how YOU want.

This thread ideally was to find out a ball park figure about how people charge. Lets not get back into the usual CIU forum way of bashing.

Its not rocket science its a case of if you want to work of a ladder with a bucket, thats your choice, good luck to you - i hope you dont fall on a cold icy day, personally id rather use the vac keeping my feet on the floor, and at the end of the day knowing i will see my partner and my friends and family again, through no fault of my own.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Alex Wingrove on October 12, 2008, 01:15:05 pm
although it looks good custys will not want to pay much, it also depends on how affluent the area is.

personally i charge £3 per metre for fascia and gutter cleaning, and i charge £3 a meter for gutter clearance. However minimum is £10 for gutter clearance as i would need to inspect, as not all the gutter system may need cleaning. However for really dirty fascias and gutters it would likely to be £5/metre.

But its what your prepared to charge, and what you think you can actually get. Some people may charge more, because they can get the custom doing it.

So what would you charge for an inside gutter clearance and an outside clean off on a 4 bedroom detached house, where the gutters run the length of all 4 sides, each side being approx 10 metres in length?

£115
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: seandyer2003 on October 12, 2008, 02:24:02 pm
The reason I dont wish to charge low prices like £15 per hour or even £50 for two hours work is you will continue to live hand to mouth for ever. At that point you have a self employed JOB not a business.

If one man can clean residential windows at £40 an hour (most can wfp if pricing is sensible) why clean gutters for less?

We have the beer money crowd here to. They dont effect my business at all. Price well and you will get better work, stay cheap and you will get the price shopping skinflints as customers as they think YOUR in it for the beer money.

If your running a bona fide business you have higher running costs. So your charges must cover these. I see many a window cleaning companies come and go because most dont charge enough and the costs catch up with them (like tax) and then they realise their not making as much money as they though. On £15-25 an hour your better off in employment.




25 an hour better off employed?? where do you live - buckingham palace, tax isnt 90% you know, anything above 10-15 an hr for yourself is better than minimum wage, i earn a good rate, but i wouldnt tell someone on 15 to go get a job because they arent on £50 an hour for ripping off pensioners who cant clean there own gutters, theres a price for profit, and there is taking the p, just because they HAVE to pay it, doesnt mean you should price ridiculously, thats what you probably moan about when you go to fill your car, or buy food, why practice it yourself?
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: elite mike on October 12, 2008, 02:29:32 pm
off topic i know, but there is a cafe down the road

they have polish workers in there they get paid £2.00 per hour :( :(
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: seandyer2003 on October 12, 2008, 02:31:35 pm
imagine getting £20 for 10 hours!! craaazy
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: ftp on October 12, 2008, 02:35:31 pm
The point is not wages but turnover. The cafe owner isn't looking to earn £2.00 an hour!
Companies like Kevs can't survive on £30 an hour. his overheads will be huge compared to mondeo man with a ladder and a bucket! When i started out over eighteen months ago i thought prices on here were a rip off. I just couldn't see the bigger picture. If you are running a business paying wages and investing in the latest equipment (thousands of pounds) then prices must change.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: darragh windows on October 12, 2008, 02:50:44 pm
some of these prices seem a bit steep you can have a 3 bedroom semis guttering soffit and fascia and downspouts all replaced for £380 all in
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: seandyer2003 on October 12, 2008, 02:58:47 pm
some of these prices seem a bit steep you can have a 3 bedroom semis guttering soffit and fascia and downspouts all replaced for £380 all in

hehe, why not have it cleaned for nearly the same price :)
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: peter holley on October 12, 2008, 03:12:12 pm
the observation iv made on this forum is that the ones who are happy with £15 an hour are the same ones that refuse to work in the rain???

and the ones  that charge prices that are a lot higher work in all weather.....thats because some are just working to exist week in week out(struggling)  and some are buisnesses with aspirations to be the best they can in life.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: trike on October 12, 2008, 03:27:00 pm
just got back.ladder bucket ,pair of gloves,mate holding ladder[4 pack of larger for him]two houses 50quid took 1 and a half hour,job done
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on October 12, 2008, 03:53:19 pm
we have set fee for gutter prices.

£120.00 for 3 bed house with 3 sides
£140.00 for 4 bed house with 3 sides
£180.00 for detached 4 bed
£210.00 for detached 5 bed

dis a 5 be dhouse this week £265.00
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 04:02:15 pm
Im so glad i only listen to certain peoples posts on this forum and i now know whose not to read as if id read some of these when i 1st started i wouldnt of bothered making the plunge in this trade, but im glad i listened to those in the no.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: elite mike on October 12, 2008, 05:15:33 pm
off topic i know, but there is a cafe down the road

they have polish workers in there they get paid £2.00 per hour :( :(
report them

hi stan

they get round this by board & lodgings
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 06:03:17 pm
Im so glad i only listen to certain peoples posts on this forum and i now know whose not to read as if id read some of these when i 1st started i wouldnt of bothered making the plunge in this trade, but im glad i listened to those in the no.
what just the greedy ones  ;D ;D

whats to say your not just a cheap one
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 06:16:58 pm
Blimey 49 stan, i wasnt expecting that, my dads the same age as you  ;)
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 06:35:35 pm
Im so glad i only listen to certain peoples posts on this forum and i now know whose not to read as if id read some of these when i 1st started i wouldnt of bothered making the plunge in this trade, but im glad i listened to those in the no.


Based on what?

How would you know?

The gathering of information is a key business process, complete, up to date and accurate. This place is a mine field.

 ;D


because ive got a nice van, with a nice system and poles with a website,leaflets,and advertising that is bringing me really good domestic and commercial work that i wouldnt of dreamed of getting and i have provided them with the right paperwork and good prices, im also earning more now then i was when i was employed which was only 5 months ago, so yes i do know who to listen too and who not too  ;D
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 07:08:01 pm
Thats what im saying, i listen to those who have moved forward and grown a business not just doing a job, i learn something new everyday but there are quite a few on here who dont believe what others say and just like to be negative towards everyone, i want to grow a business and not just sit back, work till lunch time etc
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: pjulk on October 12, 2008, 07:34:17 pm
I did three gutter cleans yesterday started at 10.30 and finished just after 2pm.

I charged £40 a house did it off ladders with bucket and a couple of pouches and a spray bottle and oh yes my rubbers,
Gloves that is.

No need for flashy equipment.

I have a pressure washer and extendible lance but it can get a bit messy like that so prefer to do off of ladders.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: pt on October 12, 2008, 07:51:34 pm
Hi All,

Min £125 3 bed detached front / back 2 gables.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 07:58:04 pm
The reason I dont wish to charge low prices like £15 per hour or even £50 for two hours work is you will continue to live hand to mouth for ever. At that point you have a self employed JOB not a business.

If one man can clean residential windows at £40 an hour (most can wfp if pricing is sensible) why clean gutters for less?

We have the beer money crowd here to. They dont effect my business at all. Price well and you will get better work, stay cheap and you will get the price shopping skinflints as customers as they think YOUR in it for the beer money.

If your running a bona fide business you have higher running costs. So your charges must cover these. I see many a window cleaning companies come and go because most dont charge enough and the costs catch up with them (like tax) and then they realise their not making as much money as they though. On £15-25 an hour your better off in employment.




25 an hour better off employed?? where do you live - buckingham palace, tax isnt 90% you know, anything above 10-15 an hr for yourself is better than minimum wage, i earn a good rate, but i wouldnt tell someone on 15 to go get a job because they arent on £50 an hour for ripping off pensioners who cant clean there own gutters, theres a price for profit, and there is taking the p, just because they HAVE to pay it, doesnt mean you should price ridiculously, thats what you probably moan about when you go to fill your car, or buy food, why practice it yourself?
well said

I really object to comments about ripping off pensioners. Most of this work we cant afford to do - we pass it on to the local "bucket and ladder" brigade as we have no interest in it at all.

There is the top of the market and the bottom. We service the top its that simple, but we pass on work where we can.

Its not about "ridiculous" prices its about surviving in the current financial climate. Commercial work isn't what some people think it is. Many hours are spent in negotiations, quoting, scheduling, invoicing, risk assessments, method statements, arranging plant and machinery, staff ,sub contractors, maintenance  etc etc.  I charge what I do to be competitive and survive - Minimum charges are there for a reason because driving to the job, telephone calls, quoting etc all cost money, not to mention doing it.

If you can do a gutter job for £15 per hour then good luck, but when the next large company calls and wants theirs doing give me a call as you wont be able to do it from a ladder  ;)  

Before you start shouting "rip off" just look around you and wonder who cleans the ones you can't?


Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 08:01:05 pm
The reason I dont wish to charge low prices like £15 per hour or even £50 for two hours work is you will continue to live hand to mouth for ever. At that point you have a self employed JOB not a business.

If one man can clean residential windows at £40 an hour (most can wfp if pricing is sensible) why clean gutters for less?

We have the beer money crowd here to. They dont effect my business at all. Price well and you will get better work, stay cheap and you will get the price shopping skinflints as customers as they think YOUR in it for the beer money.

If your running a bona fide business you have higher running costs. So your charges must cover these. I see many a window cleaning companies come and go because most dont charge enough and the costs catch up with them (like tax) and then they realise their not making as much money as they though. On £15-25 an hour your better off in employment.




25 an hour better off employed?? where do you live - buckingham palace, tax isnt 90% you know, anything above 10-15 an hr for yourself is better than minimum wage, i earn a good rate, but i wouldnt tell someone on 15 to go get a job because they arent on £50 an hour for ripping off pensioners who cant clean there own gutters, theres a price for profit, and there is taking the p, just because they HAVE to pay it, doesnt mean you should price ridiculously, thats what you probably moan about when you go to fill your car, or buy food, why practice it yourself?
well said

I really object to comments about ripping off pensioners. Most of this work we cant afford to do - we pass it on to the local "bucket and ladder" brigade as we have no interest in it at all.

There is the top of the market and the bottom. We service the top its that simple, but we pass on work where we can.

Its not about "ridiculous" prices its about surviving in the current financial climate. Commercial work isn't what some people think it is. Many hours are spent in negotiations, quoting, scheduling, invoicing, risk assessments, method statements, arranging plant and machinery, staff ,sub contractors, maintenance  etc etc.  I charge what I do to be competitive and survive - Minimum charges are there for a reason because driving to the job, telephone calls, quoting etc all cost money, not to mention doing it.

If you can do a gutter job for £15 per hour then good luck, but when the next large company calls and wants theirs doing give me a call as you wont be able to do it from a ladder  ;)  

Before you start shouting "rip off" just look around you and wonder who cleans the ones you can't?




Stan the man and Ewan, the person above is one id listen too  ;D
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: windowwashers on October 12, 2008, 08:18:00 pm
Blimey 49 stan, i wasnt expecting that, my dads the same age as you  ;)
blimey i was on holiday in your area 31 years since,perhaps i am your dad  ;D ;D
lol
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 08:18:12 pm
nah youd of stayed down here as money better down south
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Kevin R on October 12, 2008, 08:19:05 pm
Blimey 49 stan, i wasnt expecting that, my dads the same age as you  ;)
blimey i was on holiday in your area 31 years since,perhaps i am your dad  ;D ;D

If he can do that expanding thing with his face then its probably true   ;D
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: peter holley on October 12, 2008, 08:34:28 pm
NOW THEN put your hand bags down girlies....


kev ...my round is nearly all domestic but i could never survive off .£15 an hour.
i expect way over double that on gutter cleaning and windows...
the point that these others are missing on here is that my custies trust me and they just want the job done and they want someone reliable...

yes its true many of my wc custies are shocked when i give them aprice and they do the job themselves....it takes them all day and they soon realuise whats involved...  the next time they need doing they are only to hasppy to pay the going rate...

£15 an hour is stupidity  
 
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Sir Squeaky on October 12, 2008, 08:37:14 pm
There's some right cowboy rip-offs on here.
Where's Esther Rantzen or Matt Allright? ::)

I did a gutter and facia clean on 4 bed bungalow the other day including downpipes.
Took an extra 30 mins than usual.
Charged an extra £20.

Including the windows that was £30 for 40 mins.
That's still £45 p/h.

How can you justify more than that? ::)

Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: peter holley on October 12, 2008, 08:43:48 pm
thats what i expect...  what im on about is charging £15 an hr  ??? madness  ???
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Sir Squeaky on October 12, 2008, 08:46:43 pm
thats what i expect...  what im on about is charging £15 an hr  ??? madness  ???
I suppose it depends where you are.

It's not much in the sunny rich south, but in the land of flat caps, whippets and rain it's probably a fortune.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: windowwashers on October 12, 2008, 08:47:12 pm
There's some right cowboy rip-offs on here.
Where's Esther Rantzen or Matt Allright? ::)

I did a gutter and facia clean on 4 bed bungalow the other day including downpipes.
Took an extra 30 mins than usual.
Charged an extra £20.

Including the windows that was £30 for 40 mins.
That's still £45 p/h.

How can you justify more than that? ::)


phone a drain jetsting company up and ask how they can charge £250 for 30 mins work
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Sir Squeaky on October 12, 2008, 08:48:23 pm
There's some right cowboy rip-offs on here.
Where's Esther Rantzen or Matt Allright? ::)

I did a gutter and facia clean on 4 bed bungalow the other day including downpipes.
Took an extra 30 mins than usual.
Charged an extra £20.

Including the windows that was £30 for 40 mins.
That's still £45 p/h.

How can you justify more than that? ::)


phone a drain jetsting company up and ask how they can charge £250 for 30 mins work
A little bit more specialist.
I doubt there's 200,000 of them in the country, like common or garden window cleaners.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: peter holley on October 12, 2008, 08:49:10 pm
There's some right cowboy rip-offs on here.
Where's Esther Rantzen or Matt Allright? ::)

I did a gutter and facia clean on 4 bed bungalow the other day including downpipes.
Took an extra 30 mins than usual.
Charged an extra £20.

Including the windows that was £30 for 40 mins.
That's still £45 p/h.

How can you justify more than that? ::)


phone a drain jetsting company up and ask how they can charge £250 for 30 mins work

i need one of those drain jets :o
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: jaykie on October 12, 2008, 08:51:30 pm
Believe im not all talk, i wont get on what can be earnt down here as you wont believe me,
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: windowwashers on October 12, 2008, 08:53:00 pm
There's some right cowboy rip-offs on here.
Where's Esther Rantzen or Matt Allright? ::)

I did a gutter and facia clean on 4 bed bungalow the other day including downpipes.
Took an extra 30 mins than usual.
Charged an extra £20.

Including the windows that was £30 for 40 mins.
That's still £45 p/h.

How can you justify more than that? ::)


phone a drain jetsting company up and ask how they can charge £250 for 30 mins work
A little bit more specialist.
I doubt there's 200,000 of them in the country, like common or garden window cleaners.
it is a pipe with water m8, my uncle does it that IMO is daylight robbery, the reason the prices are high is because people dont want to do it, same as gutter cleaning, people that price a gutter or fashia job as there standard rate for window cleaning are barking mad IMO, it is normally a once a year or one-off job so should be priced this way.

We all earn what we want so I am not getting into that arguement, you charge what you like if you happy thats what matters
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: peter holley on October 12, 2008, 08:55:05 pm
Believe im not all talk, i wont get on what can be earnt down here as you wont believe me,

 i believe you.... im the same dont like talking figures as you get shot down, by all the mr negatives who talk themselves into charging less and less
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Wayne Thomas on October 13, 2008, 04:41:01 am
I've spent nearly £4k on gutter cleaning equipment, poles,etc and I'm stuffed if I'm gonna charge £10-25. You must need your heads examined charging so little for them jobs. Min £50-80  on domestics and more for commercial to work safe and re-coup investment.
Title: Re: Gutter pricing?
Post by: Wayne Thomas on October 13, 2008, 07:47:25 pm
Started work at 5am so had to be up early.