Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: wightsurf on October 05, 2008, 10:40:11 pm
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Just in case anyone wants one heres a link. The 17mincut off safety timer can be taken out as i have read this on there web site whilst looking at the L10 reviews.
h ttp://www.goenergysystems.com/Eccotemp_L5_p/l5.htm
shipping is $60.to uk as i ask them
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cheap as chips ;D
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www.eccotemp.com/gas.htm it's the bottom one. There's a nice little pdf instruction manual on the page as well.
The one at the bottom. The temperature control looks perfect. My only concern would be the pressure rating, it says 20 - 80 psi, I'm wondering if a 100 psi pump would blow it, or if you'd have to turn the pressure on the pump down.
Looks great value for money though, who wants to spend £2000 on a diesel hot water add on.
Simon.
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You can adjust the pressure switch on your pump quite a lot before you notice any difference. A 60psi pump will work the same as a100psi if the flow rates match.
I've got my pump set to 70psi to reduce the time its running building up pressure in the hose after I close the flow valve.
The L10 is about the same power as the heater I have,... great for 2 men,.. a bit hot for a 1 man setup tho IMO.
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Does that mean you can't use a flow controller with a hot WFP....?
Regards
Mr H
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Does that mean you can't use a flow controller with a hot WFP....?
Regards
Mr H
You can use a flow controller.
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Does'nt a flow controler(ecoflow/varistream) reduce the psi ?
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Does'nt a flow controler(ecoflow/varistream) reduce the psi ?
Nope,.. it slows the pump, but it still builds up the same pressure when the flow is stopped,.. just a little slower.
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So if i don't stop the flow i'm safe then,as i don't stop it much anyway.
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Personally,.. I'd use the pressure switch on the pump,... AND an auxiliary pressure switch to control the heater (Stop the flame when the flow stops & pressure rises).
I'd also instal a relay connected to the pump wires (a 6v one) so that the heater can't physically run unless the pump is running first. It's simple,.. I've done it on my own heater,. but it prevents the overheat sensor kicking in if the heater runs too long after the flow stops.
You can also buy GEMS flow switches from www.radionics.ie that are useful for controlling heaters. I'd recommend the 2 litre per minute one,... I bought the 1lpm one and find it a little sensitive.
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Hi .
Inspired by Nathaneal's hot water set up. I decided to experiment, so I filled a barrel up with hot tap water ( temp before I started cleaning was 55c), and cleaned my own windows that had a good months worth wind battered dirt, insect poo and salt grime - once the hot water came through ( which took a while to flush out the Di, and hose) it was a noticeably easier clean, and insect poo cleaned off very easily. i didn't measure the head temp, but I would estimate it was about 25 to 30 c. Hot enough to make the hose's soft .
I also got the impression that glass was drying quicker - but then it was there was a breeze, and relatively mild afternoon.
I can see a real advantage on ' 1st' cleans, gutters and conservatories - for maintenance cleans I think it would be an easier clean, and slightly faster.
I have found a heater for sale close to my home.
Its a Morco D61B Gas water heater.
Would this do the job?
The technical specs says it can take up 10 bar, and a rise of 25degrees c above the ambient, and flow rate of up to 6 litres per minute.
I can get it for a good price, but I may be a tad bulky, compared to the L5 to fit my Pug Partner van. :-\
Thanks
Marc
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In a pug partner the L5 might be better. Not only for size, but because its designed to be used unvented. You can just leave the back doors open and work away!
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mmmmm, I'm kind of thinking the same.
Is the L5 ok with the 100psi pressure though?
As its max rating is 80psi, with a recommendation of 60psi being used
Size and design the L5 would certainly be better for the Pug Van, as finding a suitable slot for the Morco could be awkward ( its going to a tight squeeze whatever I use). But I Morco is rated for 100PSI pressure.
Marc
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Can't we just pump the water through the heater and back into the tank before we go to work, so that the tank is hot and work from that. or would it go cold quick?
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Hi .
Inspired by Nathaneal's hot water set up. I decided to experiment, so I filled a barrel up with hot tap water ( temp before I started cleaning was 55c), and cleaned my own windows that had a good months worth wind battered dirt, insect poo and salt grime - once the hot water came through ( which took a while to flush out the Di, and hose) it was a noticeably easier clean, and insect poo cleaned off very easily. i didn't measure the head temp, but I would estimate it was about 25 to 30 c. Hot enough to make the hose's soft .
I also got the impression that glass was drying quicker - but then it was there was a breeze, and relatively mild afternoon.
I can see a real advantage on ' 1st' cleans, gutters and conservatories - for maintenance cleans I think it would be an easier clean, and slightly faster.
I have found a heater for sale close to my home.
Its a Morco D61B Gas water heater.
Would this do the job?
The technical specs says it can take up 10 bar, and a rise of 25degrees c above the ambient, and flow rate of up to 6 litres per minute.
I can get it for a good price, but I may be a tad bulky, compared to the L5 to fit my Pug Partner van. :-\
Thanks
Marc
I use a morco D61B.
I struggled to get the temperature right until I fitted a thermostatic mixer valve, now it works beautifully , just keeps kicking on & off as needed
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Hi .
Inspired by Nathaneal's hot water set up. I decided to experiment, so I filled a barrel up with hot tap water ( temp before I started cleaning was 55c), and cleaned my own windows that had a good months worth wind battered dirt, insect poo and salt grime - once the hot water came through ( which took a while to flush out the Di, and hose) it was a noticeably easier clean, and insect poo cleaned off very easily. i didn't measure the head temp, but I would estimate it was about 25 to 30 c. Hot enough to make the hose's soft .
I also got the impression that glass was drying quicker - but then it was there was a breeze, and relatively mild afternoon.
I can see a real advantage on ' 1st' cleans, gutters and conservatories - for maintenance cleans I think it would be an easier clean, and slightly faster.
I have found a heater for sale close to my home.
Its a Morco D61B Gas water heater.
Would this do the job?
The technical specs says it can take up 10 bar, and a rise of 25degrees c above the ambient, and flow rate of up to 6 litres per minute.
I can get it for a good price, but I may be a tad bulky, compared to the L5 to fit my Pug Partner van. :-\
Thanks
Marc
I use a morco D61B.
I struggled to get the temperature right until I fitted a thermostatic mixer valve, now it works beautifully , just keeps kicking on & off as needed
I'd love to see pics of that. I tried the thermostatic valve and had huge problems on my setup,.. I assumed the valves were designed for higher flow rates?
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Does'nt a flow controler(ecoflow/varistream) reduce the psi ?
Nope,.. it slows the pump, but it still builds up the same pressure when the flow is stopped,.. just a little slower.
i think you will find a varistream does control pump pressure, you take of pressure switch, varistream takes over , you adjust pump pressure via blue dial[ if you have not got digital one, so you adjust shut of pressure on varistream. eco flow works different as it uses pumps pressure switch :)
daz
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Hi .
Inspired by Nathaneal's hot water set up. I decided to experiment, so I filled a barrel up with hot tap water ( temp before I started cleaning was 55c), and cleaned my own windows that had a good months worth wind battered dirt, insect poo and salt grime - once the hot water came through ( which took a while to flush out the Di, and hose) it was a noticeably easier clean, and insect poo cleaned off very easily. i didn't measure the head temp, but I would estimate it was about 25 to 30 c. Hot enough to make the hose's soft .
I also got the impression that glass was drying quicker - but then it was there was a breeze, and relatively mild afternoon.
I can see a real advantage on ' 1st' cleans, gutters and conservatories - for maintenance cleans I think it would be an easier clean, and slightly faster.
I have found a heater for sale close to my home.
Its a Morco D61B Gas water heater.
Would this do the job?
The technical specs says it can take up 10 bar, and a rise of 25degrees c above the ambient, and flow rate of up to 6 litres per minute.
I can get it for a good price, but I may be a tad bulky, compared to the L5 to fit my Pug Partner van. :-\
Thanks
Marc
I use a morco D61B.
I struggled to get the temperature right until I fitted a thermostatic mixer valve, now it works beautifully , just keeps kicking on & off as needed
Hi Dave.
So doe's the Morco have IC ignition?
Marc
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mine has a pilot light but I think either would be fine
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out of interest what else would i need to run a hot water set up apart from that l5 heater and is it that easy to set up.
thanks
paul
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mine has a pilot light but I think either would be fine
Does that mean you have to light the pilot for every job, or can it stay alight for the your days cleaning?
Not sure I fancy having the pilot light, alight whilst driving :-\
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the pilot light is on all day. maybe the electric start one might better as the pilot light does blow out occasionally
but either should be ok
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I was looking to buy a hot set up until i seen the price 2k
looking at the L5 what more do i need to get it up and running as this is some thing i want to add to my setup
and before winter set in
ALAN
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what's an L5?
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what's an L5?
h ttp://www.goenergysystems.com/Eccotemp_L5_p/l5.htm
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The eccotemp L5 gas powered caravan heater is a good option. All you really need to add is a gas bottle,.. I think even the regulator is included with the heater.
If you want to run the heater with the van doors closed, you will need to put vents in the van roof, and make some kind of extractor hood.
One thing I would recommend is controlling the heater with a relay. It simply connects where the on/off switch is, and takes 2 wires from the pump. It simply switches the heater off when the pump stops,... no more worries about overheating, or wasting gas when the water isn't running. The heater has overheat protection anyway, but better to have this as a failsafe too.
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L5 heater would this be ok for a two man set up with one pump and y connector to run both poles
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since I fitted a thermostatic mixer valve (at your suggestion nat), I haven't worried once about overheating
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L5 heater would this be ok for a two man set up with one pump and y connector to run both poles
For a 2 man setup I'd look at the L10 model,.. only a few quid more,.. OR the best solution would be 2 L5's,.. one on each line for more controllable heat.
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Is there any body that sells the L5 orL10 IN THE uk as i can not find any
the ones i have found are in USA $197 for L10
$ 113 L5
So it would be as cheap to get two L 5
as most of the time would be running two poles
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I got in touch with them about shipping and it's $60. thats not much me thinks!
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who did you talk to that will ship to UK
trying to order two L5
in for a penny in for a pound
ALAN
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QUOTE from my email.
Hi, thanks for the inquiry. First, shipping would be about $60 USD via the USPS 6-10 day priority mail international service. Second, no, you will need to purchase a different (UK style) regulator (I have heard that they run about 10 Pounds). The unit's fittings are BSP so it will attach seamlessly. Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Thanks for looking!
Best regards,
John Hurlbert
Global Energy Systems
866.356.0502 Toll Free
843.875.4255 Office
jhurlbert@ges-na.com
www.goenergysystems.com
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thanks for that job done
ordered and should get them within ten days
am sure will be on here a lot more before they are up and running
Hope its befre winter sets in
cheers again
ALAN
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Yep mines on order too...... can't wait ! :)
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That makes me feel a lot better now theres two of us
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Hi,
I really like the idea of this if its that easy.. i know its been slightly explained but a hot set up is very new to me. What is it i would actually need to set this up i wouldn't use hot all the time as alot of my jobs are fine with cold but would be great to have this as an option. I know i need the l5 heater but what other bits and bobs (relays and things etc) would i need to get it all set up any help with this would be greatly recieved..I would also give a full posting on how i get on and how good the set up is to let others know so i'm not just taking advice but giving it too :)
many thanks
paul
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Could you not just insulate the tank and heat the water up in the morning in one go?
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why heat water so it can cool down in your tank, and some wil go unused?
heating on demand is much more efficient.
i'm excited for all you soon to be diy hot water users. I've been using mine for about 5 months and you're gonna LOVE IT!
mine is hot all the time, it's so cheap to run there's no point turning it off, especially as it breezes through snail trails, dog slobber, sticky fingermarks, spider webs and nests, and is generally better all round AND nice warm supple hoses!
hapy days, ENJOY
:)
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I agree 100% with Dave,.. mine is never switched off.
Can't wait to hear how you guys get on with the L5's,... Thinking of changing my one before it gets too cold as mine actually puts out too much heat for winter use!
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surely your thermostatic mixer valve sorts that out straight away? nat
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surely your thermostatic mixer valve sorts that out straight away? nat
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I tried the mixer valve and had problems with it,.. it reduced the flow rate through my heater too much and the overheat cut out kept kicking in,..... hence the need for a smaller heater!
I plan to put the L5 into the housing of my old heater (The dimensions seem about right on paper) as its designed to attach to a flue and be vented out the roof. That's the only downside I can see with the L5,.. but adding a hood/flue should be easy for anyone who wants to.
;)
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oh right
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That why i like the L5 heater as you can use with out a flue as i always work with back doors open
ordered two L 5 s. As i am sure once you have had hot you would never go back
ie i would never go back to ladders
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alrite alan ile have to have a butchers at your hot system when you next pop in
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Alright James will do
ALAN