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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: wightsurf on September 29, 2008, 06:01:54 pm
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I may have got this wrong but would'nt somthing like this be of more use rather than just a wet and dry vac,as this has a water discharged via a discharge pipe on a pond vac.
www.pondpumpsdirect.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=79%2C80&CAT_ID=80&P_ID=452&btnProduct=More+Details
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im not sure one motor would be powerfull enough for guttering.
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im not sure one motor would be powerfull enough for guttering.
I was thinking the same
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it says that it's a 1200 watt motor but there are different ones on that site other makes .the biggest motor i have seen is 1450 watts , would that be big enough.
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Hi Ian since i spoke to you today i have been thinking more about this idea . And might get one sooner rather than latter.Let me know if you come up with anything along these lines.
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Hi Ian since i spoke to you today i have been thinking more about this idea . And might get one sooner rather than latter.Let me know if you come up with anything along these lines.
Will do, I was going to say you will be missing if you waited till next year as this is now gutter season ;D
I will keep you posted, and I will get down to see an omni vac just trying to find the time at the mo I am finding hard work lol
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It would be nice to know from face value what the omni vac has to offer over other products.
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I think this might be handy as well www.paramountzone.com/spycam-nightvision.htm
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Powerful enough for up to 1st floor maybe 20ft and not much more, but the actual capacity is a bit small. Get a decent size house with gutters that haven't been touched for a while and it could fill up quite quickly.
Regards
Mr H
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Mr H how do you get on with weeds and grass with your sucker - can you suck them out in a lump then turn the power off to drop it or are you having to break up the clumps first?
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Mr H
That is only waste no water as the water has gone out throught a back hose but there are bigger units ,I'm more interested in what size motor?
Also have you had a look at the link on the camera what do you think?
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Mr H how do you get on with weeds and grass with your sucker - can you suck them out in a lump then turn the power off to drop it or are you having to break up the clumps first?
If its really compacted then I break them up first. I use a plastic crevice attachment that comes with the vac but I have cut a serated edge in to it and that helps to break it. A lot of the time there is no need for that as it will either just get sucked up or you will find it sticks to the nozel and you just pull it out then switch off the motors and let it drop to a safe place on the floor.
Regards
Mr H
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Cheers, ordered the bits today so may have it up and running by the end of the week with any luck.
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Mr H
That is only waste no water as the water has gone out throught a back hose but there are bigger units ,I'm more interested in what size motor?
Also have you had a look at the link on the camera what do you think?
Think of each motor giving you 20ft of extra working height. But even at lower heights its nice to know that if you have a really stubborn bit you can call on more power rather than possably needing to change attachments.
The camera in the link is similar to the one I use but you can get them a lot cheaper from Fleabay..... Look under security cameras. The quality is alright for beginning with and to see what needs doing, doesn't need doing or has been done.
I bought a really cheap brush head and removed the bristles and used that as a base for the camera. It doesn't look professional but it does the job. On the camera in the link I would be tempted to leave the base off and find a bracket to fix it to a plastic angle adapter instead.
Regards
Mr H
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Mr H
I was thinking along the same lines as you with fixing the camera , But i like the added light and weather prof bit or is this standard?
I need more info on the motors on the vac can you explain a bit more please
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Mr H
I was thinking along the same lines as you with fixing the camera , But i like the added light and weather prof bit or is this standard?
I need more info on the motors on the vac can you explain a bit more please
The light is standard on many cameras and the infared leds turn on automatically when it gets to dark.
What more do you want to know about the motors.....?
Theres 3 of them and each uses 1200w and each one is switch on or off indepandently of each other. If anything happens to one motor then you can still use the other 2 and just replace the broken one....
Regards
Mr H
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Did you buy your vac online ? if so could you post a link so i can have a looK
Am i getting it all wrong or are you saying that your vac has 3 seperate motors.As i'm getting a bit ??? here.
regards
martin
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I've got the 640M......
www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Industrial_Vacuums_and_Fittings.html
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Vacuum640.jpg)
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Thanks Mr H
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I have found a wet dry vac that has the following but suction hose is 40 mm.would this be of any use to me as it's £259.95 + vat
Includes:- Heavy Duty Steel Trolley With Cushion Wheels & Castors.
*POWER:TRIPLE 1000W BYPASS MOTORS. 220 – 240 V
*VACUUM SUCTION: 3000mm H²0
*TANK: STAINLESS STEEL - 80 LITRES
*AIR FLOW: 100 Ltr/Sec
*CABLE LENGTH: 7 METRE
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check this
Good news!
My order for this Vacuum Cleaner should be with me today, its ex demo, so got a big discount, down side if you wont to order one, the new stock wont be in for 6 or 7 weeks, but I am sure you can pre order or put your name down
h ttp://www.easterntrading.co.uk/shop/shop.php?action=full&id=5&PHPSESSID=f0fb92898f669fcaeb55b0e3e92727f0
Phoned this company www.morclean.co.uk for 51mm hose and they have also been able to supply me with the 51mm inlet for the Vacuum Cleaner, so just need to cut a 51mm hole in the side
Cost so far is just over 200 pounds, just need to sort a vaccum pole, which I have been looking at 51mm (5 foot sections) rain down pipes!
Andy
From another post on the subject :D
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I have found a wet dry vac that has the following but suction hose is 40 mm.would this be of any use to me as it's £259.95 + vat
Includes:- Heavy Duty Steel Trolley With Cushion Wheels & Castors.
*POWER:TRIPLE 1000W BYPASS MOTORS. 220 – 240 V
*VACUUM SUCTION: 3000mm H²0
*TANK: STAINLESS STEEL - 80 LITRES
*AIR FLOW: 100 Ltr/Sec
*CABLE LENGTH: 7 METRE
Not as powerful and with the smaller hose is would likely get clogged more often. But if your using it on standard houses its not so much trouble to unclog as oposed to a 40-50 or even 60ft job getting clogged. If yu really can't afford the bigger one then it would do until you could upgrade. Just remember that the SL2 base sections are wider than the hose so more likely to block at the connection than at the top.
Doing it that way would also make the system much more expensive in the long run.
Regards
Mr H
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I have found a wet dry vac that has the following but suction hose is 40 mm.would this be of any use to me as it's £259.95 + vat
Includes:- Heavy Duty Steel Trolley With Cushion Wheels & Castors.
*POWER:TRIPLE 1000W BYPASS MOTORS. 220 – 240 V
*VACUUM SUCTION: 3000mm H²0
*TANK: STAINLESS STEEL - 80 LITRES
*AIR FLOW: 100 Ltr/Sec
*CABLE LENGTH: 7 METRE
Not as powerful and with the smaller hose is would likely get clogged more often. But if your using it on standard houses its not so much trouble to unclog as oposed to a 40-50 or even 60ft job getting clogged. If yu really can't afford the bigger one then it would do until you could upgrade. Just remember that the SL2 base sections are wider than the hose so more likely to block at the connection than at the top.
Doing it that way would also make the system much more expensive in the long run.
Regards
Mr H
Have you just got the base sections only joined together or all the pole? Im a bit confused on this bit, as i know its a modular pole, are the sections the same size?
Still waiting for Poleman to get back to me about his one..
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I have'nt got the modular pole yet but from what i can tell from alex site is that the base section are all the same size.how many base sections on the super lite 56 i dont know as this is what i need to know
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Have a look at my web-site under guttering and see the way I use my camera.
Bought it from maplins, stuck a 9v battery on it and transmit the picture to a small monitor in the van or car.
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jeff
how hi do you do gutter vacs and what method have you chosen with the pole,ie suck through the pole or a pipe running along the pole.
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jeff
how hi do you do gutter vacs and what method have you chosen with the pole,ie suck through the pole or a pipe running along the pole.
I don't use a gutter vac, I did do a DIY one (2000 watts & a 1400w) Just couldn't get on with it, so continued with my gutter lance and pressure washer.
I find around here, there is more work for complete guttering work rather than just cleaning them out with a vac.
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Jeff, how do you get the bricks to change colour? Ecover? ;D
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Jeff, how do you get the bricks to change colour? Ecover? ;D
Just pure skill and camera tricks ;D ;D
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On your web page that picture of the ladder cart,would you believe we still have a old guy that still uses one.He does the whole high st pushing it as he goes.I think it's great .looks like the old days when i was a little boy and the man came round to sharping our knives ect. Don't get that now ,perhaps should start adding that to my setup .
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On your web page that picture of the ladder cart,would you believe we still have a old guy that still uses one.He does the whole high st pushing it as he goes.I think it's great .looks like the old days when i was a little boy and the man came round to sharping our knives ect. Don't get that now ,perhaps should start adding that to my setup .
There was an article on one guy that uses a cart in the FWC magazine about 2006. I saw it online a while back, he was about 60, and couldn't drive due to medical conditions.
edit.
found it, page six of the mag..
h ttp://www.nfmwgc.com/documents/WINDOW_TALK_JUL_2006.pdf
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On your web page that picture of the ladder cart,would you believe we still have a old guy that still uses one.He does the whole high st pushing it as he goes.I think it's great .looks like the old days when i was a little boy and the man came round to sharping our knives ect. Don't get that now ,perhaps should start adding that to my setup .
Ahh the good old days,
I even remember the rag and bone man walking around pushing his cart, then they went posh and had a horse pulling it Lol my step father also used to push a cart for w/c, come to think of it, that looks like him in the picture Lol
On your web page that picture of the ladder cart,would you believe we still have a old guy that still uses one.He does the whole high st pushing it as he goes.I think it's great .looks like the old days when i was a little boy and the man came round to sharping our knives ect. Don't get that now ,perhaps should start adding that to my setup .
There was an article on one guy that uses a cart in the FWC magazine about 2006. I saw it online a while back, he was about 60, and couldn't drive due to medical conditions.
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found it, page six of the mag..
h ttp://www.nfmwgc.com/documents/WINDOW_TALK_JUL_2006.pdf
I seem to recal the same artical and found it very interesting, we have a guy around here that just walks to his jobs, he only has a pair of steps and a small unger pole, he has a few small shops around here and all the pros don't even try to take his work from him.
That was some interesting reading Chris, I admire anyone like the guy with the cart, at least he gets off his backside and continues to earn his own living instead of scrounging of the state.
Do you mind if I use your link on the academy Chris?
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Jeff, is this the sort of thing?
www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115223#features
What do you use to view the image?
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Jeff, is this the sort of thing?
www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115223#features
What do you use to view the image?
go for a cam screen bundle like this
h ttp://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=223420
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I like that bundle looks like wht i need
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What would you mount it to? The suction head or a seperate pole head?
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Jeff
your Diy modular poles would they be any good for a vac system?
What i'm looking at is running a tube up the side of the vac not through the pole could they hold the wieght doyou think?
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Yeah, i got it on bookmark for my Gutter Vac set up. A DIY version of the OmniVac for a quarter of the price ;D
Just need Poleman to answer some questions about the Vac i posted (above) for £200. And im all set to order :P
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Chris
What are your plans for the vac system, how are you going to go about it?
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Chris
What are your plans for the vac system, how are you going to go about it?
Plans are getting this vac
h ttp://www.easterntrading.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c1=Industrial%20Wet%20Dry%20Vacs&c2=80Ltr%20Wet%20Dry%20Vac
use 15 metres of 51mm hose from this company - i'll quote Polemans previous post elsewhere on this
this company www.morclean.co.uk for 51mm hose and they have also been able to supply me with the 51mm inlet for the Vacuum Cleaner, so just need to cut a 51mm hole in the side
Then use sl2 base sections (dont know how many yet - need to get some answers from Poleman).
Make the u bend bit using this guide..
In the thread im following about this subject
h ttp://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=51156.0;all
Then will need to work out how it goes together with a cam on top like the one i posted above - i like puzzles :P
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Jeff, is this the sort of thing?
www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115223#features
What do you use to view the image?
This is what I use, I then have a spare camera.
www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115198&&source=14&doy=30m9
They come with a receiver and all 3 items have a power supply but we all know there no good to us.
Get 2 little plugs and 9v battery connectors from maplin and a little bit of wire, 1 plug to fit the camera and the receiver plug is a little smaller (sorry I can't remember the size) Now the systems are rated at 7.5v but don't let that worry you, all electronic components have a tolerance rating and can handle 9v with ease.
Stick your camera onto your pole with cable ties and plug in the power lead, tape the battery on and plug it in, you are now transmitting pictures to the receiver.
I bought a little hand held TV with a video in-put from Tescos but there available cheaper from fleabay.
Plug in the receiver to the video in put on the TV, connect the battery and hey presto you can now inspect inside the guttering, I went one step further and bought a portable video recorder with monitor from fleabay, if a custy wants it I can show them a recording.
When ever I do a recording for a custy and there not there I always try to get something they will reconise as there's, I.e. There car, house, garden, the wife in bed with the guy next door Lol (only joking) but you get the idea
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That vac is a good price .i think thats what i will go for .As i was looking at a vac like that but was'nt as cheap as that.
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Jeff
your Diy modular poles would they be any good for a vac system?
What i'm looking at is running a tube up the side of the vac not through the pole could they hold the wieght doyou think?
As I said I don't use the vac but when I did try the one I made, the hose was a long one, I used waste pipe (the type used under your kitchen sink 40mm) I sealed the ends with tape of an 18'' section then rammed it with sand and packed it tight, I then heated it with a blow torch (gently) and began to bend the pipe to the shape of a U the sand stops the pipe from buckling and helps with the bend, once that was done I emptied the sand out and had a nice looking U section.
I strapped the hose to the tube with cable ties, you can also make your own attachments by heating and shaping, don't spent loads of money on something you can make your self.
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Jeff
I was thinking of moding a super lite to suport a hose up the side of it but was wondering would one of your modulars made from fishing poles support a tube upto 45 ft
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Why not just use the Sl2 bottom sections like Mr H has? He vacs inside them.
Or even better buy an Omnivac like one of our best DIY forum inventors has? ( Jeff Brimble - Electric)
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I like Diy it's a sense of achievement and it saves alot of money if done well.
and if you do all your home work right you can end up with a good bit of kit
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I like Diy it's a sense of achievement and it saves alot of money if done well.
and if you do all your home work right you can end up with a good bit of kit
I do get where your coming from, but I like the fact that when my breaks, I order another and its sorted usually by the next day with no more time spent then phoning Omnipole.
Don't get me wrong you tinkering types have invented some good bits of kit over the years including the Omnivac, wfp etc etc. Even a 83 ft wfp pole ( J brimble again)
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Jeff
I was thinking of moding a super lite to suport a hose up the side of it but was wondering would one of your modulars made from fishing poles support a tube upto 45 ft
The modular I have wouldn't support a hose at that height or if it did, it would be tricky to operate, carbon is the best bet for the hieght you want.
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ok
thanks
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Trouble is, the suction tube would weigh more than the pole so the combined weight would be pretty horrific. An Sl2 at forty feet is nice but i wouldn't want to double or treble it.
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ftp
Do know what sections of the super lite i would need to reach 45 ft
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ftp
Do know what sections of the super lite i would need to reach 45 ft
Each Super-Lite section will give you 5' 7" so eight sections would give you 44ft.
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Alex what i mean is if i buy the super lite how many sections are usable for the vac, and in your mind would you say good or bad idea.
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Alex what i mean is if i buy the super lite how many sections are usable for the vac, and in your mind would you say good or bad idea.
If you buy a 45ft SL then you can use section No 6 and two extension sections for gutter sucking purposes. If you are planning on doing occasional gutter work then it's a good idea to have a pole that multi tasks, ie, clean windows and clean gutters. If you are planning on making gutter cleaning a major part of your work then I would buy a separate system (whether SL sections and DIY or an Omnipole) and keep it just for gutter jobs.
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so have i got this right.
To reach 45ft vac i would buy the 45ft sl and 2 extensions.
Thanks for your help.
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I have an SL2 and I also have an Omnivac.
My omnivac gutter pole is well used, its filthy dirty most of the time as not all sites have running water to wash it, it gets very gritty. The inside of the tubes are really scarred from stones, nails, gravel etc etc.
The Sl2 is a cracking bit of kit for wfp, but I always worry when I stick the end in the mud etc. Also the tapered pieces (top end) of the pole sections push into the lower section of the pole above it. So in effect if you were traveling down the tube from height you would encounter a ledge of very thin pole section at every joint. I would really worry about damaging this pole internally very quickly. I Know Mr H says not but he doesn't do loads of gutter vac work.
Also Jeff Brimble sucked sand through a section of carbon fibre for a while and destroyed it (not the SL2 and I cant remember how long for) so I guess only time will tell as people adopt carbon fibre sections to clean gutters ;)
I will be keeping my SL2 for wfp ;)
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So basically, use a aluminium pole ::)
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i was interested in running a tube up the side of the sl 2 as it's carbon i think the wieght might not be as bad.
Alex can you give me the wieght per a meter of that tubing you sell please tomorrow if possible, as i need to consider all options
Thanks
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chris i think thats what omni vac do
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So basically, use a aluminium pole ::)
Not sure thats the definitive answer, We just need someone that does a lot of gutter cleaning to put it to the test. I dont want to volunteer my SL2 as we have become good friends LOL ;D
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Kev, you are at the other end of the gutter cleaning scale than most of us. If your doing twelve grands worh of work a month then you probably want a diamond tipped pole to cope with the wear. ;D
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Alex, just sent mail, off to bed soon. ;)
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Dont do it every month - I wish I did :)
The Omnipole (aluminum) at 48 ft (max) is quite difficult to use only because of weight. Realistically I draw the line at 4 stories for anything thats blocked or has weeds growing out of it. However for everyday work up to three stories its a doodle and manageably light.
A light weigh pole for four stories and above would be fantastic so its still a subjet thats very close to my heart and wallet ;D
I really hope someone manages to design a workable light weight and long lasting solution, Im sure they will look how wfp has developed ;)
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I've used one of these since April/May with no problems, if there's lots of growth in the gutters or down pipes then I just get up there on the ladder dig it out and vacuum the rubbish away (lots safer than using buckets and trowels).
It's the best £259 +vat that I've spent this year, paid for itself after two jobs. I bought an additional 12.5 metres of hose with it so you can do most houses by moving the vacuum only once after setting up. all you need to do is velcro tie the hose to any pole and your away.
Sorry I don't have any pictures of the setup but if I get some I'll post them.
Regards
Brian B
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I've used one of these since April/May with no problems, if there's lots of growth in the gutters or down pipes then I just get up there on the ladder dig it out and vacuum the rubbish away (lots safer than using buckets and trowels).
It's the best £259 +vat that I've spent this year, paid for itself after two jobs. I bought an additional 12.5 metres of hose with it so you can do most houses by moving the vacuum only once after setting up. all you need to do is velcro tie the hose to any pole and your away.
Sorry I don't have any pictures of the setup but if I get some I'll post them.
Regards
Brian B
Well done Brian,
Are you using 35mm hose or 51mm?
Domestic gutters are much smaller and require much less power to remove the debris and also a smaller hose can work well.
What are you using for the pole?