Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: geefree on September 23, 2008, 07:48:50 pm
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Just curious as to how safe we are... honest answers please :D
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I bolted my daughters down and if she carry's any drums I strap them down until I have built a cage for the drums.
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I bolted my daughters down and if she carry's any drums I strap them down until I have built a cage for the drums.
hi jeff.
i have a 400 flat ..strapped at the moment... as the guy from the fabricating company has bottled out of fixing my 650 upright th the chassis...
he said the straps metal straps are no problem nut i will have to find someone else to bolt it down as he does not want the responsibility if anything happens.....
now im stuck... he said find a guy who will fit it and get a drawing for him
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Both! 300+ litre custom tank, bolted-in custom made restraint bars and a ratchet strap for good measure.
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Hi Gazz
If its metal straps? you have then I would still be happy with that, Just fit it the way I showed in my post last week and you'll be fine.
You live to far from me, so I can't help you, I wish I could.
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yes its metal... but he said i have to give him a drawing, so he can make them bang on for the chassis... for someone else to fit.... i dcan do most things... or have a go at least.... but i dare not mess with that Jeff.
thanks tho ;)
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custom made 450ltr bolted,
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hothing wrong with using straps , as long as they are correct spec and secured correctly
300 litre
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yes its metal... but he said i have to give him a drawing, so he can make them bang on for the chassis... for someone else to fit.... i dcan do most things... or have a go at least.... but i dare not mess with that Jeff.
thanks tho ;)
You need to get under your van and measure the width of a single chassis member, then measure from one chassis to the other, and calculate the correct distance, or if you can get someone to help you take the measurements from the center of each chassis, so that when your guy makes the straps they will sit centrally directly above each chassis member.
When you measure the length of the chassis,( The size of your tank) make sure the fuel tank isn't in the way, If it is you may have to drop your fuel tank to fit it
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i just dont think the steel rings on the floor will hold the 650 litres if i had an accident, regardless of how many tons the straps will hold.... its what they holding onto which bothers me ! ???
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straps
500ltr upright
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For example if you have a 600 litre tank strapped and bolted doing 60mph down a motorway to your jobs and have a collision there can only be one outcome (YOUR DEAD) unless some of the Clean It Up Gods are on your side.
I dont feel safe with my tank in the back and i have done everything possible to secure it. Just goes with the territory i suppose.
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For example if you have a 600 litre tank strapped and bolted doing 60mph down a motorway to your jobs and have a collision there can only be one outcome (YOUR DEAD) unless some of the Clean It Up Gods are on your side.
I dont feel safe with my tank in the back and i have done everything possible to secure it. Just goes with the territory i suppose.
i think that could apply to any vehicle at that speed..... there must be some way though... big vans carry more weight... lorrys and trucks do..... half a ton in back of a tranny should be able to withstand something if its totally bolted.?
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voting 50/50 at mo
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yes its metal... but he said i have to give him a drawing, so he can make them bang on for the chassis... for someone else to fit.... i dcan do most things... or have a go at least.... but i dare not mess with that Jeff.
thanks tho ;)
You need to get under your van and measure the width of a single chassis member, then measure from one chassis to the other, and calculate the correct distance, or if you can get someone to help you take the measurements from the center of each chassis, so that when your guy makes the straps they will sit centrally directly above each chassis member.
When you measure the length of the chassis,( The size of your tank) make sure the fuel tank isn't in the way, If it is you may have to drop your fuel tank to fit it
thanks jeff , you make it sound easy... dropping fuel tank?
Thanks again jeff, i will pass on what you say to someone who knows how to do it.
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Nice to see your taking it responsibly Gaz, if your unsure on what to do always get someone who does know, to do it for you. ;)
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For example if you have a 600 litre tank strapped and bolted doing 60mph down a motorway to your jobs and have a collision there can only be one outcome (YOUR DEAD) unless some of the Clean It Up Gods are on your side.
I dont feel safe with my tank in the back and i have done everything possible to secure it. Just goes with the territory i suppose.
i think that could apply to any vehicle at that speed..... there must be some way though... big vans carry more weight... lorrys and trucks do..... half a ton in back of a tranny should be able to withstand something if its totally bolted.?
park outside any builders yard and watch builders loading vans, pallet of bricks, cement mixer, 10 bags of cement etc etc, all put in the back of a transit
risks are risks, we all take them in life, keep them as low as you can, thats all you can do
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For example if you have a 600 litre tank strapped and bolted doing 60mph down a motorway to your jobs and have a collision there can only be one outcome (YOUR DEAD) unless some of the Clean It Up Gods are on your side.
I dont feel safe with my tank in the back and i have done everything possible to secure it. Just goes with the territory i suppose.
i think that could apply to any vehicle at that speed..... there must be some way though... big vans carry more weight... lorrys and trucks do..... half a ton in back of a tranny should be able to withstand something if its totally bolted.?
park outside any builders yard and watch builders loading vans, pallet of bricks, cement mixer, 10 bags of cement etc etc, all put in the back of a transit
risks are risks, we all take them in life, keep them as low as you can, thats all you can do
Matt, they do not drive around all day every day with this, everything is a risk, but as I said before I hope you have put a disclaimer on your site.
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I have my 500L loose in the back of my van, is that a problem then?
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I have my 500L loose in the back of my van, is that a problem then?
Have an accident with that size of tank loose in the back of your van and you could end up with a serious injury or worst still, you won't be back on to let us know, Strap or bolt it down for yours and passengers safety.
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dont bother just use a big block of wood that way when you go to the tip you can take it all out
simple innit
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dont bother just use a big block of wood that way when you go to the tip you can take it all out
simple innit
And that will snap like a matchstick in an accident, and then you can sent everything to the tip, including you. Understood?
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dont bother just use a big block of wood that way when you go to the tip you can take it all out
simple innit
i dont get that
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For example if you have a 600 litre tank strapped and bolted doing 60mph down a motorway to your jobs and have a collision there can only be one outcome (YOUR DEAD) unless some of the Clean It Up Gods are on your side.
I dont feel safe with my tank in the back and i have done everything possible to secure it. Just goes with the territory i suppose.
i think that could apply to any vehicle at that speed..... there must be some way though... big vans carry more weight... lorrys and trucks do..... half a ton in back of a tranny should be able to withstand something if its totally bolted.?
park outside any builders yard and watch builders loading vans, pallet of bricks, cement mixer, 10 bags of cement etc etc, all put in the back of a transit
risks are risks, we all take them in life, keep them as low as you can, thats all you can do
Matt, they do not drive around all day every day with this, everything is a risk, but as I said before I hope you have put a disclaimer on your site.
the point is though, they do carry a cement mixer all the time, they also load up the van with bricks etc etc
it doesnt really matter how far they drive ( though the shorter the distance the shorter the chances of having a accident are, that stands to reason )
risks are risks, if you cannot see tank full of water / pallet of bricks etc etc are a risk, then i guess you must be pretty stupid ( i dont mean you personally, i mean the person driving )
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You can strap, bolt and cage a tank all you like, but a loose hose reel doing 30 mph will take your head off, and a sueege will do alot of damage at speed too.
I dare say a scrim could cause a nasty friction burn at speed ;D
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errrrrr get a bulkhead fitted or buy a van with one in.
Ive driven articulated lorries with pallets...................not strapped in only the side curtains hold them in...have an accident all over the road.
Ive driven fire appliances...........all of the equipment inside every locker is not secured roll a fire enigine.........all over the road.
So it dosent matter weather the tank is strapped , bolted,glued or whatever as long as you have a bulkhead between you and your inside contents dosent matter how you secure it.
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a bulkhead will make little difference if you had a bad collision, its thn metal, would be like paper with , possibly 1000 litres of water coming through you,... multiply that by the force and weight included.... not a chance of surviving.
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If it's up against the bulkhead and a fairly flat tank then it won't go anywhere.
It needs space to build momentum.
If it's in the middle of the van then it "hits" the bulkhead and may break through.
If it's already against it then it's just going break the tank in all probability.
Also my tank is full 2ft below me.
Now either the tank rises vertically, or it goes forward under my feet.
It can't do both.
Momentum goes one way or another.
It's not possible to go upwards, have a little think, and then decide to go forwards and break through the steel bulkhead that it's already resting against.
Can't believe we're going through this argument all over again. ::)
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Squeaky does have a good point (yet again), that to achieve the forces often spoken about the object needs to have independent momentum. The hard bit is making sure that the tank cannot build up momentum in the first place, a bulkhead will help with this.
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The bulkhead will become the momentum, if the tank is up against it.
Imagine a cardboard box dropping on the floor, nothing much should happen to it, now strap a ton weight to that box and drop it.
What Happens ?
Yes you guessed it, the box will flatten, the same principles apply when you crash.
The force has to go somewhere and you will end up like a frey bentos pie, with you being the filling.
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I guess the safest way possible is to have a tank straped and caged bolted to floor and have a bulk head, to go forward it would have to break the tank fixings, then straps, then a bulkhead each will slow it down, in a high impact crash you are far more likely to die from frontal injury ie the 2 or more ton car/van/lorry/ train maybe :-\ hitting you.
We all do what we think is safe and most will have a different look on this.
Unsecured full stop is just plain crazy
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Can't believe we're going through this argument all over again. ::)
its not been mentioned this month, what you talking about ;) ;)
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The bulkhead will become the momentum, if the tank is up against it.
Imagine a cardboard box dropping on the floor, nothing much should happen to it, now strap a ton weight to that box and drop it.
What Happens ?
Yes you guessed it, the box will flatten, the same principles apply when you crash.
The force has to go somewhere and you will end up like a frey bentos pie, with you being the filling.
You would do anyway, because all that weight you talk about will help crush the front of the van and you'll get a facefull of lorry/car/bus etc...
Any crash under about 30 or 40 you'll probably get away with an unsecured tank.
Any crash over that speed you'll probably be crushed regardless.
It's all pretty academic in the real world. :-\
Anyway, I like Fray Bentos pies.
Couldn't think of a better way to go. ;D
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the force given by a ton weight at speed makes the actual force multiply exponentially (oo big word) ie if its 2 tons at 10 mile an hr it wont be 4 at 20 , it will be much more, so you do need to take alot of precaution with big tanks, especially if you are on motorways etc, as you could have a force in the event of a collision of over 50 tonnes flying at your bulkhead!!
For that reason they say a person without a seatbelt on in the back can kill the driver etc!
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Just curious as to how safe we are... honest answers please :D
If the van is disgned to carry a load of a certain weight like 1 ton pallet and the van comes with anchor points that should be safe.Also nylon straps are just as strong if not better due to streching and slowing the load down in a crash . dont know the details and all that, but physics comes into play with slowing a mass down gradually.
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Bit like being in an areoplane......giving you all that info on heads between your legs.........oxygen masks decsending........life jackets........not much good really when your coming out of the sky at 500mph dropping 25,000 feet per second .........i had a 700 ltr tank in my old transit back in 2003 bolted down i got hit head on wrong side of the road at 70 mph ....the tank did not move one inch so for everyone on this poll ...none of you can actually say what or how your vehicle will respond in an accident with it bolted or strapped unless you wanna go find out... ;)
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Bit like being in an areoplane......giving you all that info on heads between your legs.........oxygen masks decsending........life jackets........not much good really when your coming out of the sky at 500mph dropping 25,000 feet per second .........i had a 700 ltr tank in my old transit back in 2003 bolted down i got hit head on wrong side of the road at 70 mph ....the tank did not move one inch so for everyone on this poll ...none of you can actually say what or how your vehicle will respond in an accident with it bolted or strapped unless you wanna go find out... ;)
70 mph head on in a van?
What did you hit? A squirrel?
Pull the other one, you'd be 2 inches thick at the most. ::)
In fact you'd good as explode.