Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: monkeyboy950 on September 22, 2008, 11:49:18 am
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anybody got one,are they any good ???
i have the normal wfp system,just wondering is there much a difference
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have you not had mail from reach and wash systems doing deals now
www.ionicsystems.com
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Obscenly expensive but many people who have it say its brilliant.
I can't justify the £2500 Varitech price tag, and thats very cheap compared to Ionics.
Regards
Mr H
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Cant beat hot, but i am going to say that as i have two. Shop around, most companies are doing hot systems. Have a word with Sam or Denis at waterfed pole systems in Grantham, had my recent hot system fitted by them.
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I've a diy hot system,... its the difference between a Brodex 60' monster and a brand new SL2 IMO. There is simply no comparison,.. I'd never go back to cold.
It cost me about £250 all in for the heater, the pipe, regulator, gas bottle, roof vents & fittings,...
:)
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I've a diy hot system,... its the difference between a Brodex 60' monster and a brand new SL2 IMO. There is simply no comparison,.. I'd never go back to cold.
It cost me about £250 all in for the heater, the pipe, regulator, gas bottle, roof vents & fittings,...
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i think you could definately make yourself a good living installing these as a sideline as even with a good profit margin you would be a lot cheaper than all the other competition and from your previous post the system sounds very good.
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I'm sure some cowboy is probably already doing that! But to do it properly I'd need a lot of legal documentation, product indemnity insurance, and to be honest a level of expertise which (for now) is beyond me.
I think its a great idea, but I can understand why the suppliers prices are as high as they are!
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The on demand system is very good. But installing them is not possible as he would have to be corgi registered.
The complexity is about the same as setting up a barbecue. You buy a heater, then you put it in the back of your van.
Just read Nathans post. The suppliers don't offer this system for these reasons, but not only is it the best, it's also much cheaper to run.
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I'm told some of the diesel systems cost £5 a day or so to run,... I'm paying at most a quarter of that on a really long busy day!
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nath have you written out anywhere what exaclty you bought? im very interested
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Its all on ACS forums
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cleantech quoted me £2800,i wonder if you can get it any cheaper
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cleantech quoted me £2800,i wonder if you can get it any cheaper
For a full set up, or for an add on to your existing system?
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So come on then people,
What are the huge advantages of having a hot water system over cold, obviously one springs to mind if you live in the north pole.
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warm hands?
;)
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cleantech quoted me £2800,i wonder if you can get it any cheaper
For a full set up, or for an add on to your existing system?
think it was the full thing,he said i would have to change hoses and all that,plus the microbore and all that stuff,so i presume its everything
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warm hands?
;)
What a nancy get some neoprene gloves, its much cheaper.
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No worries about your gear freezing in the winter,....
:)
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So come on then people,
What are the huge advantages of having a hot water system over cold, obviously one springs to mind if you live in the north pole.
What do you clean (or what does the missus use) to clean the dishes? the family car? etc?
Hot water!
We all know Hot water is better at cleaning than cold water will ever be.
And yes, it will keep your hands warm in the winter, and also your van :P
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Put a heater in the van overnight on frost protection and through the day keep your pump on trickle recycled back into your tank. Very easy to setup with a couple of relays for £3.50, you dont need hot water in this country, you have just fell into the trap of the likes of ionics saying you do.
Ionics all glitz and glam make a fortune from this clever marketing tactic.
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Buying a hot wfp system is a waste of money. Don't buy one ;D
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We all know Hot water is better at cleaning than cold water will ever be.
And yes, it will keep your hands warm in the winter, and also your van :P
Hot water ionics systems dont make me laugh you really dont need them, i presume because you use one you have to justify to your good lady why you wasted thousands for no reason ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cold water works just as well on glass as hot water does. Ive had no complaints from any custys so why would i want to spend my hard earned cash on silly hot water systems.
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Seriously,.. try hot,.. just for a week,..... (If you're DI only, just fill your tank in the morning from the hot tap in the kitchen).
You will never go back.
It cleans better, quicker, easier, more consistently, stubborn marks just melt away,...
But,... I'd probably be better telling you not to buy one. I've found something special and I want to be the only guy (in my area at least) who uses it!
;D ;D
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Hot water ionics systems dont make me laugh you really dont need them, i presume because you use one you have to justify to your good lady why you wasted thousands for no reason ;D ;D ;D ;D
I only spent £250 ish,... no need to justify anything,..
Cold water works just as well on glass as hot water does.
LMAO,.. you couldn't be more wrong.
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You forgot to mention hot water turns a stiff microbore hose into a soft and kink free, hassle free hose to reel in everytime ;D The thermal minibore hose works a treat at keeping the water hotter as less heat is wasted through the insulated hose. Only problem with it is when it's new it's sticky as hell until it's been used several times.
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We all know Hot water is better at cleaning than cold water will ever be.
And yes, it will keep your hands warm in the winter, and also your van :P
Hot water ionics systems dont make me laugh you really dont need them, i presume because you use one you have to justify to your good lady why you wasted thousands for no reason ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cold water works just as well on glass as hot water does. Ive had no complaints from any custys so why would i want to spend my hard earned cash on silly hot water systems.
I dont have an Ionics sytem or have a hot system. I know hot water cleans better, just by doing the washing up myself! Try doing the washing up with no fairy liquid.. first with cold then with hot.. hot wins hands down.
Just like a hot wash on the washing machine, cleans the whites better than a cold wash.
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Hot water ionics systems dont make me laugh you really dont need them, i presume because you use one you have to justify to your good lady why you wasted thousands for no reason ;D ;D ;D ;D
I only spent £250 ish,... no need to justify anything,..
Cold water works just as well on glass as hot water does.
LMAO,.. you couldn't be more wrong.
You obviously didnt read the post correctly youngin, you have a diy system i was referring to and ionics system,
And yes everybody knows hot water cleans better but you really dont need it, when cold works just as well, your spending money on heating the water, you should concentrate on cutting costs, did you not know energy prices are going up have you been on button moon. ;D :D ;) ;D ;)
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I agree spending £1000's on a hot system could be a big mistake if you're business isn't in a position to handle the costs.
A diy system costs less than £1 per day to run,...
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I use a diesel heater which costs about £5-6 if run all day and I can easily justify spending that for the heater as I can get through more than £6 worth of extra work a day using hot water.
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I dont have an Ionics sytem or have a hot system.
Chris if you dont have an ionics system then why are you advertising one on your website.
If im not mistaking thats an ionics logo obscured by im presuming is you, on the side of a van.
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So come on then people,
What are the huge advantages of having a hot water system over cold, obviously one springs to mind if you live in the north pole.
What do you clean (or what does the missus use) to clean the dishes? the family car? etc?
Hot water!
We all know Hot water is better at cleaning than cold water will ever be.
And yes, it will keep your hands warm in the winter, and also your van :P
You've been suckered my friend!
You won't get hot water out of one of those systems! At best it'll be luke warm. Real hot water cracks glass, will scold you and split hoses so it could in fact be a safety hazard. It's mildly warm water at best and the novelty wears off very quickly!
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I dont have an Ionics sytem or have a hot system.
Chris if you dont have an ionics system then why are you advertising one on your website.
If im not mistaking thats an ionics logo obscured by im presuming is you, on the side of a van.
My brother has the Ionics machine, for our commercial work. The residential work is what i like doing, I have built my own system, however i do use Ionics filters, poles etc.
Why is the new guy getting a flaming all of a sudden, is this the mentality of the board?
All ive said is that hot is better at cleaning than cold, its scientific fact. Ive never said anything about using it for window cleaning - however the option and methodical approach is there to be used, but yes there is a safety factor for "hot" water.
People are all to eager to read (or perhaps not read in some cases) and reply to a previous post, without actually reading the whole thread.
I'll have to think twice about getting involved in "debates" around the board in future. I'll just use it for information purposes and just read without contributing. >:(
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Yes it is the nature of the board.
I have a hot system and like many others would never go back, but what point is there in arguing which is best, i'm happy with my lpg on demand as is nathaneal etc.Many use ladders to clean windows and they too are happy. Some call back on a friday night for payment, and they are happy.So it takes all sorts. What's obviously easier and better to some people isn't to others.
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Why is the new guy getting a flaming all of a sudden, is this the mentality of the board?
Not mentality of the board, it was just your answers to some previous posts were perceived as arrogant for a newb.
These topics have been debated many, many times before on this board, we all want to help each other and learn from our experiences but when you try to tell your granny how to suck eggs then your going to get some backlash fella.
Trying doing a board search and most of your questions will be answered somewhere there.
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Why is the new guy getting a flaming all of a sudden, is this the mentality of the board?
Not mentality of the board, it was just your answers to some previous posts were perceived as arrogant for a newb.
These topics have been debated many, many times before on this board, we all want to help each other and learn from our experiences but when you try to tell your granny how to suck eggs then your going to get some backlash fella.
Trying doing a board search and most of your questions will be answered somewhere there.
What questions have a asked? How do you do your washing up, hot or cold water? why would i need to use the search function ::) and in relation to that question, it was merely pointing out why would someone use hot water rather than cold to wash with - answering your question in the thread with a question..
So come on then people,
What are the huge advantages of having a hot water system over cold, obviously one springs to mind if you live in the north pole.
Obviously you asked a question that you probably already know.
So i have not asked any question which leads me to quote myself
People are all to eager to read (or perhaps not read in some cases) and reply to a previous post, without actually reading the whole thread.
The only questions i have asked on this forum are regarding PDA's, which are not in this thread. :-\
Just because im new to the board, im supposed to be a novice in life and know nothing? Im supposed to have no common sense or education of life?
Unfortunately, its all too common, in any forum that "some" senior users will down trod on all newbies who come to ask questions (which i haven't regarding this topic).
Its a fact that questions will always be recycled, the same ones appear time and time again. Ive been admin on a forum had over 20k posts and have seen the flaming new guys get when they ask questions that have been about just 4 months ago, and previously 4 months before that etc etc.
Anyway, theres no point going on about this.. This has clearly become off topic through no fault of my own.
Lets actually get back on topic to debate about the pros and cons of using the hot (or in fact luke warm as someone has said) systems, rather than turn this into some kind of personal attack..
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Anyway, theres no point going on about this.. This has clearly become off topic through no fault of my own.
lolololololololol your just like my wife: have to have the last say. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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on topic, I love my diy hot water system (nathaneal stylee) and will never go back to cold. it's just beter and costs less than £1.50 a day extra
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on topic, I love my diy hot water system (nathaneal stylee) and will never go back to cold. it's just beter and costs less than £1.50 a day extra
Your DIY hot water system, how warm/hot does it actually get?
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Hi guys including softlads who are all whining about those who have hot water systems.
im well keen on trying to do my own hot water but was looking at a eberspacher way, thought it may be cheaper, but is not as cheap as yours. any advice on how to set one up would be greatly appreciated. if you dont want to post it please mail me on james@beecleanlondon.co.uk
thanks in advance for any help
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on topic, I love my diy hot water system (nathaneal stylee) and will never go back to cold. it's just beter and costs less than £1.50 a day extra
Your DIY hot water system, how warm/hot does it actually get?
As hot as I want!! It has the potential to boil the water if I disabled the overheat sensor,.. but I normally run mine on minimum power, about 40 - 50 deg Celsius.
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The thing I find amusing is that the people who have hot love it and those that dont have it shun it.
Just like when wfp started ;)
I have the Varitech System - It cost £5-6 to run a day. The temp at the brush head is 52 degrees. In the box its 80 degrees but you lose that heat via your hoses etc. This is on Max setting.
I have only had the hot system a few months but its advantages are clear once you use it, it makes the job easier and quicker. The hoses are a pleasure to use and are kink free, and its cleaning power is much better than cold especially on spiders / fly poo, cobwebs, sap, road traffic film etc. Every few days I used to turn mine off and try cold to see if I was imagining things but the difference is clear, and I keep it on all day for every job. I do more work a day too.
I am on DI only so to see the difference I filled my tank with hot water straight from the tap and thats what convinced me. If you can try it for your self ;D
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Good post kev, be carefull with the temp diff early morns as it gets colder, this is how glass is cracked.(temp difference, not hot per se ;)
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Nathanael
Where did you get your lpg water heater from? Also for the time being could i get away with heating the water up as filling the tank and hoping it stays warm through out the day . Its just winter mornings thats the worst and it would make life alot easyer with that bit of wormth? I could insulate the tank if needed.
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I got my heater off ebay,.... :)
Defo worth trying it out by filling with hot water in the morning. It costs nothing, and you get to have a trial run. If you like it, then go out and buy a heater!
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on topic, I love my diy hot water system (nathaneal stylee) and will never go back to cold. it's just beter and costs less than £1.50 a day extra
Your DIY hot water system, how warm/hot does it actually get?
having cracked 2 windows at approx 45 degrees, I now run it at 37
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I'm quite interested in hot wfp- anything that makes the job easier and quicker has got to be a good thing in my book.
Nathanael - what about the exhaust? Is it through the roof of the van or have you extracted it some other way?
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Its all on ACS forums
what forums sorry mate?
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avondhu cleaning services
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The exhaust goes out through the roof, and a 2nd vent is needed to leave fresh air back in.
Its all on ACS forums
what forums sorry mate?
It'd be bad manners to post a link to another forum here,... e-mail me or check my profile if you want the link.