Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Simon Brannon on September 18, 2008, 07:11:14 pm
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Please see below a copy of my e-mail to Andrew McCann of Exel systems formerly of Adepta Engineering ( aka Purefreedom - A proper company to deal with and who always provide an excellent service ).
As yet I have had no reply so thought you good people should be warned.......
Dear Andrew McCann
I was a little surprised to find out from Adepta that you had left the company and was even more surprised to come across your website whilst browsing the internet for supplies of parts and resin etc.
Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
However, I was EXTREMELY surprised to find a beautiful, new Peugeot Expert van plastered over several of your web pages with its rear doors open wide and ready to receive a system - especially as it is MY van and the picture was taken outside the Adepta site ( you can even see the buildings opposite Adepta on the other side of the road ! ).
My van is also featured on your van waterproofing page - again EXTREMELY surprising considering that you are advertising a cheap D.I.Y. product called Protecta kote at £79.99 and my van floor has Kevlar re-inforced SPEEDLINER flooring at a cost in excess of £450 !!
Kind of makes a mockery of your home page blurb " you can rest assured of our integrity, honesty and down to earth attitude " doesn't it ?
Now - I look forward to receiving your comments and proposed next move because whilst I have no real urge to get Trading Standards or Speedliner themselves involved I think they would be very interested in the blatant mis-representation - don't you ?
Kind regards,
Simon Brannon
Propure
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As this is your first post can we make the assumption that you have joined merely to bad mouth another member Simon.
There is no way that your comments can be verified as true or otherwise by this forum, and they are possibly defamatory. I therefore suggest to Admin that this thread be removed.
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I smell a Rat :o
If its such a problem for you, I'm sure there are plenty of his happy customers on here that are more than willing to give there permission for him to use there photo's.
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all the time i have been on this forum i have heard nothing but praise for andrew mc cann and his business practices, so what if he has posted a picture of your vans interior on his site i am sure if you feel so petty about it he will remove it and take pictures of ones he is now fitting to replace it, to try and badmouth someone on a forum without just ringing him and asking him to remove the said picture just shows what sort of person you are.
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Registered simply to shout his gob off.
Perhaps a village is missing its idiot.
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[quote author=trevor perry link=topic=62080.msg533364#msg533364
If he would actually just remove these pictures that would be great.
However it is important to remember that no matter hoe thin u slice the cake its always got two sides!!
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all the time i have been on this forum i have heard nothing but praise for andrew mc cann and his business practices, so what if he has posted a picture of your vans interior on his site i am sure if you feel so petty about it he will remove it and take pictures of ones he is now fitting to replace it, to try and badmouth someone on a forum without just ringing him and asking him to remove the said picture just shows what sort of person you are.
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I smell a Rat :o
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That wouls be good
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I smell a Rat :o
If its such a problem for you, I'm sure there are plenty of his happy customers on here that are more than willing to give there permission for him to use there photo's.
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It would have been nice if Andrew had indeed bothered to reply but as he hasn't then I thought people should know
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Registered simply to shout his gob off.
Perhaps a village is missing its idiot.
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I have colour printed wc leaflets- but some of the pictures i never cleaned, does it matter ?they are representational not literal.
Someone who finds use of a picture of his unidentifiable van offensive is a nut job. Had it been your wife, then maybe you'd have a point. We've got enought nut jobs on here already, clear off.
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Always dangerous to make assumptions dont you think.
If people think thats its OK business practise to falsely advertise a product then that says more about the type of people they are than it does about me.
As this is your first post can we make the assumption that you have joined merely to bad mouth another member Simon.
There is no way that your comments can be verified as true or otherwise by this forum, and they are possibly defamatory. I therefore suggest to Admin that this thread be removed.
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pity andrew did not take a pic of my van when he fitted my system
last week he would have been more than welcome to use it .
in fact i have some andrew if you want them email me or give me a call
great system well fitted and good advise
robin
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This isnt the right place to deal with this. Its embaressing for Andrew. I don think it was a good idea Simon. His products are fine. And the speedliner looks EXACTLY the same as protektakote, my Peugoet Expert has protektakote, and looks identical, but in blue. Its a minor thing really, with a massive accusation against a new business. It cant be easy for him to get images of a nice van to go on his site. Why dont you count your self fortunate he chose your nice van to show off. Luke
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i do hate when newbie come on these forum and start this sort of crap off, not the best way to get on with others, ive had alot of dealings with andrew and i would say there is something wrong about all this,as jeff said i smell something ;) ;) ;)
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Guys,
I kinda agree with Simon! Now I've never been a fan of Andrew McCann; he seemed so nice, yet when you dug beneath the surface there were plenty of unhappy customers and he seemed to bleed this site for all he could. It's all well and good to come across as a 'really nice guy', especially when you've something to gain from it.
And Simon has made a very basic statement. If Andrew is as good as what he says; why should he use a photo from someone else; when he could use a picture from a job he's done himself; particularly when that photo is from a top £450 speedlining job and not a cheaper DIY job.
And this is also exactly the right place to deal with this sort of issue! People who use this forum to advertise - as Andrew has done - do so at their own peril.
I do hope this posts remains here until Andrew replies.
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You're right Luke - this isn't the place to deal with this but as Andrew has chosen to ignore my e- mail what else can you do?
This isnt the right place to deal with this. Its embaressing for Andrew. I don think it was a good idea Simon. His products are fine. And the speedliner looks EXACTLY the same as protektakote, my Peugoet Expert has protektakote, and looks identical, but in blue. Its a minor thing really, with a massive accusation against a new business. It cant be easy for him to get images of a nice van to go on his site. Why dont you count your self fortunate he chose your nice van to show off. Luke
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I`ll wait for Andrews reply before i pass any comment,it`s only fair to let him have his say.
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LOL small things....
I have seen no end of people use my pictures from my website. See it as a form of flattrey.
I once had an email from somene asking me to remove the picture from my hompage, as it was their hompage picture. Thing is it was my picture, and it was me in the picture cleaning. They had obviously ripped it from google images. I still can't make my mind up if it was a wind up or not.
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For want of a better word tosh that is complete tosh. These allegations are un proven and possibly defamatory. How do you know that 'Simon Brannon' really exists? that images are of a van he owns? or that anything he says is true?
The only thing you do know about him is that he has taken the opportunity to use his very first post to hurl unpleasant accusations against a well known industry personality and member of this forum.
When you were forces i bet you were a right little hitler, judge and jury. You may think this a good thread to stir up, be are talking about someones goodname and business.
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You're right Luke - this isn't the place to deal with this but as Andrew has chosen to ignore my e- mail what else can you do?
Question, how did you know he was a member of this forum, if you did know that is?
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If he was in the highland games he`d win gold for being the best tosser lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont blame you for being sceptical but its quite simple - you could easily speak to the company that fitted my system - Adepta Engineering in Grimsby.
The photo was taken outside their premises and if you think that falsely advertising a DIY product is ok then you're sadly mistaken.
For want of a better word tosh that is complete tosh. These allegations are un proven and possibly defamatory. How do you know that 'Simon Brannon' really exists? that images are of a van he owns? or that anything he says is true?
The only thing you do know about him is that he has taken the opportunity to use his very first post to hurl unpleasant accusations against a well known industry personality and member of this forum.
When you were forces i bet you were a right little hitler, judge and jury. You may think this a good thread to stir up, be are talking about someones goodname and business.
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When I rang him last year, he quoted £2500 to £3000 for my system fitted and 2 or 3 weeks.
I thought oh well probably a month and nearer £3000.. But no, it was 2 weeks.
I went to Grimsby he added on a few extras,I even tried to buy other items but he said I didn't need them , "I don't want to take anymore from you". He could have easily said £3000 but he said £2500.
I was very pleased and found him to be totally honest.
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i don't see an issue really. we all know his good name. I think i'm right in saying he took the idea of WFP to adepta so to use a picture outside their premises is no biggy.
maybe adepta are feeling the pinch with out mccan and now they have a mole on here trying to wreck his good name...who knows...the web can be a nasty place?!!?
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For want of a better word tosh that is complete tosh. These allegations are un proven and possibly defamatory. How do you know that 'Simon Brannon' really exists? that images are of a van he owns? or that anything he says is true?
The only thing you do know about him is that he has taken the opportunity to use his very first post to hurl unpleasant accusations against a well known industry personality and member of this forum.
When you were forces i bet you were a right little hitler, judge and jury. You may think this a good thread to stir up, be are talking about someones goodname and business.
Well, lets see what Andrew McCan says!? If he'll comment?
I've known Andrew from the forums for probably years longer than most of you; he started window cleaning about the same time as myself; and over the years I've formed my own opinion of him, which may differ from your own.
I could elucidate, but this is not the place; as you say.
As as for my management style in the forces, I always ran a happy ship, and if I had a fault, I was probably too soft!
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What were in. The R.E.? My dad was a Staff Sgt in them in the war. I think not a lot of regts have Staff sgts
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Thats a trifle cynical Steve - all I want is for Andrew to remove the pictures of my van and then use genuine pictures of Protecta kote on the waterproofing page.
His web page bleats on about Integrity, honesty etc!!
Live by the sword then die by the sword - Be honest
i don't see an issue really. we all know his good name. I think i'm right in saying he took the idea of WFP to adepta so to use a picture outside their premises is no biggy.
maybe adepta are feeling the pinch with out mccan and now they have a mole on here trying to wreck his good name...who knows...the web can be a nasty place?!!?
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I've seen you bully squeaks on here. You ran that tag of his about pulling birds for weeks even though it was clear he didn't find it funny. A bit of rank gives you a lot of power over people, your laugh is someone else's nightmare.
What gives us, me or you, the right to judge Andrew? It's none of our business. If the so called allegations are true then I should imagine he will say -sorry i made a mistake-. I don't think the crime is heinous anyway. Simon should get a life.
Things a bit quiet at adepta are they since Andrew left????
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Another window cleaner gave me this site address -
You're right Luke - this isn't the place to deal with this but as Andrew has chosen to ignore my e- mail what else can you do?
Question, how did you know he was a member of this forum, if you did know that is?
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Thats a trifle cynical Steve - all I want is for Andrew to remove the pictures of my van and then use genuine pictures of Protecta kote on the waterproofing page.
His web page bleats on about Integrity, honesty etc!!
Live by the sword then die by the sword - Be honest
i don't see an issue really. we all know his good name. I think i'm right in saying he took the idea of WFP to adepta so to use a picture outside their premises is no biggy.
maybe adepta are feeling the pinch with out mccan and now they have a mole on here trying to wreck his good name...who knows...the web can be a nasty place?!!?
I will send Andrew some pics of Protecta kote if he does not have any, I will also allow him to use pics of my new van that he will be fitting out to go on his website, I guess when he reads this yours will come off anyway.
Little sad that you thought it a good idea to post this on a public forum when you could have called him direct as hes only to pleased to speak to people.
I am getting training when I go up there ;D ;D ;D
Ian
I for one do trust Andrew it what he says and another good thing he also listens
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What van and system did you settle on ww?
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What van and system did you settle on ww?
I got a transit 300 and another 650L 2 man set up
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Guys,
I kinda agree with Simon! Now I've never been a fan of Andrew McCann; he seemed so nice, yet when you dug beneath the surface there were plenty of unhappy customers and he seemed to bleed this site for all he could. It's all well and good to come across as a 'really nice guy', especially when you've something to gain from it.
And Simon has made a very basic statement. If Andrew is as good as what he says; why should he use a photo from someone else; when he could use a picture from a job he's done himself; particularly when that photo is from a top £450 speedlining job and not a cheaper DIY job.
And this is also exactly the right place to deal with this sort of issue! People who use this forum to advertise - as Andrew has done - do so at their own peril.
I do hope this posts remains here until Andrew replies.
Agreed, & it doesn't matter wether Simon is a newbie or not!! He has a GENUINE point. What if I started selling websites for window cleaners & took all my info & pics from windowashers site?
However, there is two sides to every story & so we'll await Andrew's reply.
Tony
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I've seen you bully squeaks on here. You ran that tag of his about pulling birds for weeks even though it was clear he didn't find it funny. A bit of rank gives you a lot of power over people, your laugh is someone else's nightmare.
What gives us, me or you, the right to judge Andrew? It's none of our business. If the so called allegations are true then I should imagine he will say -sorry i made a mistake-. I don't think the crime is heinous anyway. Simon should get a life.
Things a bit quiet at adepta are they since Andrew left????
No disrespect dude but your knowlage about wfp & the industry is about a nats bollock above zero!
Respect
Tony
lol that was a little harsh dont you think :o
Well he has got a bit of a reputation for it ;D
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
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Simon when did you send the email? could he be on holiday?
Why didn't you telephone him to sort out your concerns?
I do smell a rat here. Now I presume Andrew was the one who helped and advised you when buying your system from Adapta, so why stab the man in the back over something so trivial.
I've only ever rang PF once and was amazed at the lack of service I got when asking for advice and after all the praise I had read on here about Andrew. It was only later I found out that Andrew McCann had left and I had been speaking to another Andrew at Adapta. So if this is some kind of witch hunt then it hasn't worked for me. I would ring Exel Systems next time and probably get honest, helpful advice, pretty much like you did Simon when you bought your system.
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
some did and still try ::)
Pittmonkey, I have to say I have never had a problem with purefreedom, they are always willing to help even after Andrew left I still speak to them from time to time. As I do Andrew
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I can only speak of my own experiences Ian
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
No probs, just a reminder. HE HAS a point. Me personaly, I have no problem in leaving ANY company/person nameless if needs be. I.E. crap product or total miss-representaton of product or company. No one would benefit in this industry by a total over-hype of do-gooders who know nothing but crave the 5 minutes of fame that this thread may empower tham with! 8)
God of love!
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I shall put my name forward as a MOD and nip things like this in the bud early. I shall also be expecting a bit more repect. The ones who can expect deleted posts know who they are. ::)
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You are correct in that Andrew sold me the system at Adepta over the telephone - if I'd have met him prior to having the system fitted however that may not have been the case.
I have tried ringing him but have not managed to contact him , hence the e-mail.
Everybody checks their e-mails every day so I thought that the best option.
This is a case of improper advertising - if people think thats acceptable then it shows what sort of people they are
Simon when did you send the email? could he be on holiday?
Why didn't you telephone him to sort out your concerns?
I do smell a rat here. Now I presume Andrew was the one who helped and advised you when buying your system from Adapta, so why stab the man in the back over something so trivial.
I've only ever rang PF once and was amazed at the lack of service I got when asking for advice and after all the praise I had read on here about Andrew. It was only later I found out that Andrew McCann had left and I had been speaking to another Andrew at Adapta. So if this is some kind of witch hunt then it hasn't worked for me. I would ring Exel Systems next time and probably get honest, helpful advice, pretty much like you did Simon when you bought your system.
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Feel free to use mine Andrew and im sure there will probably be plenty more people offering there pics,
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I shall put my name forward as a MOD and nip things like this in the bud early. I shall also be expecting a bit more repect. The ones who can expect deleted posts know who they are. ::)
Respect, but as an (already sucessful?) business man, who took up window cleaning at a nearly pensionable age, & (in his own words) is too old & knackered to reel a length of microbore in a few times a day. etc.etc What do you expect real people to think? You are the perfect example of total contradiction, who craves false respect! 8)
Real deals.com
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
No probs, just a reminder. HE HAS a point. Me personaly, I have no problem in leaving ANY company/person nameless if needs be. I.E. crap product or total miss-representaton of product or company. No one would benefit in this industry by a total over-hype of do-gooders who know nothing but crave the 5 minutes of fame that this thread may empower tham with! 8)
God of love!
He doesn’t have a point if he doesn’t own the copyright to the photo, regardless if it is his van and the picture was taken on public land.
Bit like the press really i.e. at public gatherings the press do not stop everybody they have taken a photo of and get written permission.
;D
Another idiot who thinks he's more clever than he is ::) big yawn ::)
Get real
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You are correct in that Andrew sold me the system at Adepta over the telephone - if I'd have met him prior to having the system fitted however that may not have been the case.
I have tried ringing him but have not managed to contact him , hence the e-mail.
Everybody checks their e-mails every day so I thought that the best option.
This is a case of improper advertising - if people think thats acceptable then it shows what sort of people they are
Simon when did you send the email? could he be on holiday?
Why didn't you telephone him to sort out your concerns?
I do smell a rat here. Now I presume Andrew was the one who helped and advised you when buying your system from Adapta, so why stab the man in the back over something so trivial.
I've only ever rang PF once and was amazed at the lack of service I got when asking for advice and after all the praise I had read on here about Andrew. It was only later I found out that Andrew McCann had left and I had been speaking to another Andrew at Adapta. So if this is some kind of witch hunt then it hasn't worked for me. I would ring Exel Systems next time and probably get honest, helpful advice, pretty much like you did Simon when you bought your system.
The reason Andrew may not have replied yet is that he could be busy collecting the information needed (IP address, screenshots etc) to aid his case against Simon.
Regardless of the validity of your claims, many comments on this thread could be considered slanderous.
This is not the place to air such comments. Talk to Andrew, sort it out between yourselves.
In the meantime, I'd advise you to delete your posts Simon, as they invite legal action against both yourself and also the owners of this site.
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Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
You are correct in that Andrew sold me the system at Adepta over the telephone - if I'd have met him prior to having the system fitted however that may not have been the case.
So which one is it Simon?
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Thanks for your thoughts Nathanael but there is no "case" against Simon to be brought.
He simply needs to stop falsely advertising the rear of my van, remove the pictures in question and then substitute them with the photo kindly offered by RWC ( Jaykie ) which incidebtally look very professional.
You are correct in that Andrew sold me the system at Adepta over the telephone - if I'd have met him prior to having the system fitted however that may not have been the case.
I have tried ringing him but have not managed to contact him , hence the e-mail.
Everybody checks their e-mails every day so I thought that the best option.
This is a case of improper advertising - if people think thats acceptable then it shows what sort of people they are
Simon when did you send the email? could he be on holiday?
Why didn't you telephone him to sort out your concerns?
I do smell a rat here. Now I presume Andrew was the one who helped and advised you when buying your system from Adapta, so why stab the man in the back over something so trivial.
I've only ever rang PF once and was amazed at the lack of service I got when asking for advice and after all the praise I had read on here about Andrew. It was only later I found out that Andrew McCann had left and I had been speaking to another Andrew at Adapta. So if this is some kind of witch hunt then it hasn't worked for me. I would ring Exel Systems next time and probably get honest, helpful advice, pretty much like you did Simon when you bought your system.
The reason Andrew may not have replied yet is that he could be busy collecting the information needed (IP address, screenshots etc) to aid his case against Simon.
Regardless of the validity of your claims, many comments on this thread could be considered slanderous.
This is not the place to air such comments. Talk to Andrew, sort it out between yourselves.
In the meantime, I'd advise you to delete your posts Simon, as they invite legal action against both yourself and also the owners of this site.
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someone shut him up its now getting boring, :'( :'( :'(
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
No probs, just a reminder. HE HAS a point. Me personaly, I have no problem in leaving ANY company/person nameless if needs be. I.E. crap product or total miss-representaton of product or company. No one would benefit in this industry by a total over-hype of do-gooders who know nothing but crave the 5 minutes of fame that this thread may empower tham with! 8)
God of love!
He doesn’t have a point if he doesn’t own the copyright to the photo, regardless if it is his van and the picture was taken on public land.
Bit like the press really i.e. at public gatherings the press do not stop everybody they have taken a photo of and get written permission.
;D
Another idiot who thinks he's more clever than he is ::) big yawn ::)
Get real
Obvious you don’t have an answer to that, so you go back to character, Bigger Yawn
That is the reality. :P
Miss-representation of product! read the thread! suppying a lesser product than the one being SHOWN!
I.E (for the thick) I'll show you lamb but sell you mutten! ::)
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Nice to put a face to a name www.pro-pure.co.uk/ ;)
Unless a photo is copyrighted then anyone can use it, we all have photos on our sites that are not ours. Let's face it if we put our own faces on we would never get any work ;D
So in answer it is not copyright so all of us can use it. ;D But sorry not taking up the offer ;)
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I don't know andrew or simon & as stated, there is TWO sides to every story BUT, if someone showed me a picture of an SL-X & posted me an extender I'd be well pi**ed off!!!!
Tony
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Well i think youd beable to tell the difference between a sl-x and a extender but i couldnt tell you the difference between the the covering on simons and the covering on mine except the colour, think there are certain people on here that will jump on the back of certain members here even if they dont agree with the thread just so they can have a pop. Seems a bit to much all for a photo which Andrew probably didnt even know who it belonged to as it was on his memory card on his camera so probably a genuine mistake.
Chris
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Nice to put a face to a name www.pro-pure.co.uk/ ;)
Unless a photo is copyrighted then anyone can use it, we all have photos on our sites that are not ours. Let's face it if we put our own faces on we would never get any work ;D
So in answer it is not copyright so all of us can use it. ;D But sorry not taking up the offer ;)
whose website is that
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Miss-representation of product! read the thread! suppying a lesser product than the one being SHOWN!
I.E (for the thick) I'll show you lamb but sell you mutten! ::)
According to Simon and you, the pair of you think you will be purchasing something else, how stupid can you get
Exel are selling protectakote there’s no mention of it being any thing else but protectakote, but obviously you are confused.
Some people really are thick, and you know I’m right prove me wrong contact trading standards, tell them everything as you understand it to be, see how foolish you will look.
::)
Small man syndrome, spot 'em a mile off :D
Big'un
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
No probs, just a reminder. HE HAS a point. Me personaly, I have no problem in leaving ANY company/person nameless if needs be. I.E. crap product or total miss-representaton of product or company. No one would benefit in this industry by a total over-hype of do-gooders who know nothing but crave the 5 minutes of fame that this thread may empower tham with! 8)
God of love!
He doesn’t have a point if he doesn’t own the copyright to the photo, regardless if it is his van and the picture was taken on public land.
Bit like the press really i.e. at public gatherings the press do not stop everybody they have taken a photo of and get written permission.
;D
Another idiot who thinks he's more clever than he is ::) big yawn ::)
Get real
Obvious you don’t have an answer to that, so you go back to character, Bigger Yawn
That is the reality. :P
Miss-representation of product! read the thread! suppying a lesser product than the one being SHOWN!
I.E (for the thick) I'll show you lamb but sell you mutten! ::)
Is that the same as my now wife saying she was rich when I met her and found that to be not true :-\
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My point is NOT the law but passing one product off as another, & just for EWAN it's called MISS-REPRESENTATION! get it yet? ::)
It's not right, it may not be- show me a rolls, deliver me a fiesta, BUT, the point is in the title!
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Simon
The reason you have not had a reply from Andrew is he is ill in bed, I have just spoken to his wife, and that's were Andrew is, so you may not get a reply for a few days (my opinion not his wifes)
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While I agree there is a discrepancy regarding the photo and Jaykie just took the words out of my mouth. ( Maybe a genuine mistake ) By airing this on the forum and not clearing the matter up privately, to me shows that there's intent in trying to discredit another person. For what reason? well, I have my suspicions, as do a few others I think.
I'm sorry but I can not believe a phone call has been made and did not get a response. Even if you take into account an answer phone scenario.
"Hi Andrew its Simon Brannon could you please give me a call back on ****** when you get this message, Thanks!!"
The only people who could have known the truth about the photo are Simon, Adapta and Andrew.
No one looking at it on the www would have made the distinction.
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Nice to put a face to a name www.pro-pure.co.uk/ ;)
Unless a photo is copyrighted then anyone can use it, we all have photos on our sites that are not ours. Let's face it if we put our own faces on we would never get any work ;D
So in answer it is not copyright so all of us can use it. ;D But sorry not taking up the offer ;)
So its okay to use this picture?
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;id=10995;type=avatar)
;)
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Anyone can edit a picture. Its a different image then.
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All photos are automatically copyrighted to the photographer unless commissioned.
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correct
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EWAN-
miss-representation & law. Please seperate the two.
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Anyone can edit a picture. Its a different image then.
if it is a building maybe but a person, I think you will find you in breach of copyright also some buildings if you edit say the person out and do not have permission to have the image again you can be in the brown stuff
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If you edit the person out of a skyline image (as an example) the person who took the original picture has no right to make any demands, its not the picture THEY took in the first place.
If you stick up the orginal unedited, fine, but edited, different story altogether.
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Thanks for your thoughts Nathanael but there is no "case" against Simon to be brought.
Why are you talking about 'SIMON' in the 3rd person when you are supposed to be the 'SIMON' in question?
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you ALL NEED TO GET A LIFE !
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Nice to put a face to a name www.pro-pure.co.uk/ ;)
Unless a photo is copyrighted then anyone can use it, we all have photos on our sites that are not ours. Let's face it if we put our own faces on we would never get any work ;D
So in answer it is not copyright so all of us can use it. ;D But sorry not taking up the offer ;)
whose website is that
It's Simon's, think we should end this. We're all past 40 ;D
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I met andrew a couple of weeks ago when he came over from grimsby to barnsley ok only a hour & halfs drive but he came just to fit 1 part on my mates system that had just been instaled by him , i think andrew is a top bloke for that and after speaking with him at the time belive he will look after all his customers that he as instaled for .........................................
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you all need to GET A LIFE....INSTEAD OF WINGING ON THIS FORUM... YOU COUYLD EARN SOME MONEY ::)
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Are you missing your intellectual conversations with Merson Mr Holley :)
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what a interesting thread
i know a very well known ( well it is now ) VW campervan that has been blazed on bill boards and the national press, the pics were taken at a VW show and the advertisment company didnt even ask the bus's owner if they could use the pics
now i see nothing wrong with this thread, andrew has used this forum to sell his gear for a long time ( and i guess made a lot of money from it ) its the the same with alex G, if you use the forum to sell, you have to accept that people just may have a problem and air them on the forum, you cannot have it both ways i am afraid
now the OP has a issue, i guess he would have been happy if andrew had asked, he is now asking andrew to remove the pics, fair enough i guess
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Well reminded, they tried to stich you up too ww didn't they.
Thanks Tony
is this the template matter that some1 mentioned,
what was the outcome of that, i missed the end
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What if Matt had all top pro equipment? Proper poles, a legit system, and all proffesionaly installed? I bet his van is like an ionics showhome....
I've noticed 62 vans everywhere too.Back of a bus for cov university open day covered in them. They seemed to have become an emblem for freedom and youth.
What a load of nonsence, the pensioners who drive round in the converted ducatos now used to use these and mostly they lived on peoples drives.You can't buy freedom and youth just by sticking a surf board on your roof rack.
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What if Matt had all top pro equipment? Proper poles, a legit system, and all proffesionaly installed? I bet his van is like an ionics showhome....
I've noticed 62 vans everywhere too.Back of a bus for cov university open day covered in them. They seemed to have become an emblem for freedom and youth.
What a load of nonsence, the pensioners who drive round in the converted ducatos now used to use these and mostly they lived on peoples drives.You can't buy freedom and youth just by sticking a surf board on your roof rack.
have you been on the beer or is this a post to be contender of " random post of the year "
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The point is that someone could accuse you of using proper kit instead of DIY stuff, a grave accusation i'm sure you'll agree and on a par with the alleged innapropiate use pics.You think he's fair game because of what you've said, i don't, and i don't think you'd care for it if it was you.
The camper van is interesting because it seems to have entered the main stream. It's sort of our eqivalent of the harley davidson.
The third thing of course is that because i don't agree that the thread is fair i have been trying to take it off topic.As regards your question i think dave deleted it.It was similar to this, true or not, just an attempt to cause ill feeling.
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folks put pics, leaflets & van designs on this site all the time. they are going to be used by others if they like them. human nature really. i was told by my printer as long as 3 things are changed from the design its taken from nothing can be said or done. dont have a go if its not true! i'm just saying what i was told. ;D
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Another window cleaner gave me this site address -
You're right Luke - this isn't the place to deal with this but as Andrew has chosen to ignore my e- mail what else can you do?
Question, how did you know he was a member of this forum, if you did know that is?
I am going to persume here you mean that they told you he was a member of this forum. So taking it that you joined with the genuine intent to resolve your issue.
I would one say that I agree with you a little, he could have asked permission, however I cant see how it would cause to any problems per say so I think you may have over reacted alittle to it. Secondly I also agree that you shouldn't advertise an pictorial ilistration, suggesting it is something that it isn't however as people have said there is no way to tell, other than your personal account, and if his customer who order that product based on your picture, would not really be getting done out of anything if it looks just like it.
You could have gave this guy a better chance of responding, he is probably quite busy, and based on that e-mail, I wouldn't respond to you. If you had politly asked for them to be removed in your origional e-mail send to him then fine, but you have actually requested him to do nothing. What you have done is asked him to justify his actions in a way, which if you doesn't feel the same as you, bearing in mind you are in no way or his customers been disadvantaged by his actions then I wouldn't expect him to reply to you....
And finally, you could have called him, send him a letter, or even sent him a private message through this forum, before suggesting that window cleaners should stay clear of him, its just a little harse mate.
Gerard :)
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Please see below a copy of my e-mail to Andrew McCann of Exel systems formerly of Adepta Engineering ( aka Purefreedom - A proper company to deal with and who always provide an excellent service ).
As yet I have had no reply so thought you good people should be warned.......
Dear Andrew McCann
I was a little surprised to find out from Adepta that you had left the company and was even more surprised to come across your website whilst browsing the internet for supplies of parts and resin etc.
Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
However, I was EXTREMELY surprised to find a beautiful, new Peugeot Expert van plastered over several of your web pages with its rear doors open wide and ready to receive a system - especially as it is MY van and the picture was taken outside the Adepta site ( you can even see the buildings opposite Adepta on the other side of the road ! ).
My van is also featured on your van waterproofing page - again EXTREMELY surprising considering that you are advertising a cheap D.I.Y. product called Protecta kote at £79.99 and my van floor has Kevlar re-inforced SPEEDLINER flooring at a cost in excess of £450 !!
Kind of makes a mockery of your home page blurb " you can rest assured of our integrity, honesty and down to earth attitude " doesn't it ?
Now - I look forward to receiving your comments and proposed next move because whilst I have no real urge to get Trading Standards or Speedliner themselves involved I think they would be very interested in the blatant mis-representation - don't you ?
Kind regards,
Simon Brannon
Propure
Thats not your van you muppet,thats mine,I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram,I am really pleased he used my van for his website.
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If it was my van being used id be chuffed that out of all the pics Andrew McCann must have on his camera that he chose mine, also have to agree that i dont think any new customers of his arent going to not use him just because of he didnt ask permission of using a pic, and i also havent seen any proof it is your van so why dont you take a photot of it now with date on and upload it so we can see.
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Well, lets look at it this way. Simon (Hmm!! Simon. Interesting name. Coincidence?) Came on here ranting and raving like he did and all of a sudden we haven't seen him again.
Has this huge point to prove and all of a sudden he gets up the next day and its not so important to prove.
Oddlier and Oddlier.
Then we have someone else, also a newbie, claiming its his van ;D Dont tell me he's called Simon too, cos its one hell of a coincidence that he should quite innocently register on here a week before a picture of his own pesonal van surfaces on the worldwide web with someone else claiming its his van.
Someones having a windup cos somethings going on here and it aint window cleaning ;D
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see Jeff first said he smelt a rat, guess Jeff was right, why do people bother, we get them now an again on some of the fishing forums too, so its not just here as-well.
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I dont believe there the same person, but i do have to admit that i smelt a rat from the beginning and wouldnt surprise me if someone has put them upto it or even someone has 2 log in names, but not going to name anyone.
Chris
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But... I don't understand why the mods didn't squash it, to allow people to make unproven defamotory remarks on here could cost admin legal fees.
Maybe a mod hasn't been online, or maybe they're just a bit dim to what the downside could be, but soomer or later this site will get sued.
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yea Ive been a member for a while but when i first came on here i was under the impression mods were very st-ricked, so Ive always watched what Ive posted, but this paints a different picture to me.
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It's my van,why is everybody so mean to me,why don't they believe me,I am going to tell my mammy :(
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Slash - ( nice name!! ) the tatty nasty looking van with the system fitted in may well be your van.
However - the silver van with the red SPEEDLINER floor and no system fitted as yet IS mine - MUPPET !!
Please see below a copy of my e-mail to Andrew McCann of Exel systems formerly of Adepta Engineering ( aka Purefreedom - A proper company to deal with and who always provide an excellent service ).
As yet I have had no reply so thought you good people should be warned.......
Dear Andrew McCann
I was a little surprised to find out from Adepta that you had left the company and was even more surprised to come across your website whilst browsing the internet for supplies of parts and resin etc.
Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
However, I was EXTREMELY surprised to find a beautiful, new Peugeot Expert van plastered over several of your web pages with its rear doors open wide and ready to receive a system - especially as it is MY van and the picture was taken outside the Adepta site ( you can even see the buildings opposite Adepta on the other side of the road ! ).
My van is also featured on your van waterproofing page - again EXTREMELY surprising considering that you are advertising a cheap D.I.Y. product called Protecta kote at £79.99 and my van floor has Kevlar re-inforced SPEEDLINER flooring at a cost in excess of £450 !!
Kind of makes a mockery of your home page blurb " you can rest assured of our integrity, honesty and down to earth attitude " doesn't it ?
Now - I look forward to receiving your comments and proposed next move because whilst I have no real urge to get Trading Standards or Speedliner themselves involved I think they would be very interested in the blatant mis-representation - don't you ?
Kind regards,
Simon Brannon
Propure
Thats not your van you muppet,thats mine,I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram,I am really pleased he used my van for his website.
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Matt - the reason I haven't been on since is that I took this forums general advice that Andrew would be in touch and I have been waiting for a response.
However there has been no contact from Andrew at all - which was the only reason for joining this forum originally.
Well, lets look at it this way. Simon (Hmm!! Simon. Interesting name. Coincidence?) Came on here ranting and raving like he did and all of a sudden we haven't seen him again.
Has this huge point to prove and all of a sudden he gets up the next day and its not so important to prove.
Oddlier and Oddlier.
Then we have someone else, also a newbie, claiming its his van ;D Dont tell me he's called Simon too, cos its one hell of a coincidence that he should quite innocently register on here a week before a picture of his own pesonal van surfaces on the worldwide web with someone else claiming its his van.
Someones having a windup cos somethings going on here and it aint window cleaning ;D
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Matt - the reason I haven't been on since is that I took this forums general advice that Andrew would be in touch and I have been waiting for a response.
However there has been no contact from Andrew at all - which was the only reason for joining this forum originally.
Well, lets look at it this way. Simon (Hmm!! Simon. Interesting name. Coincidence?) Came on here ranting and raving like he did and all of a sudden we haven't seen him again.
Has this huge point to prove and all of a sudden he gets up the next day and its not so important to prove.
Oddlier and Oddlier.
Then we have someone else, also a newbie, claiming its his van ;D Dont tell me he's called Simon too, cos its one hell of a coincidence that he should quite innocently register on here a week before a picture of his own pesonal van surfaces on the worldwide web with someone else claiming its his van.
Someones having a windup cos somethings going on here and it aint window cleaning ;D
Andrew is in Hospital this maybe why you have not got a reply.
Ian
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Simon
I have read your post and like many others, kept shtum. Can you explain to me WHY the other van with the system fitted is tatty.
It look very proffesional to me.
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Slash - ( nice name!! ) the tatty nasty looking van with the system fitted in may well be your van.
However - the silver van with the red SPEEDLINER floor and no system fitted as yet IS mine - MUPPET !!
Please see below a copy of my e-mail to Andrew McCann of Exel systems formerly of Adepta Engineering ( aka Purefreedom - A proper company to deal with and who always provide an excellent service ).
As yet I have had no reply so thought you good people should be warned.......
Dear Andrew McCann
I was a little surprised to find out from Adepta that you had left the company and was even more surprised to come across your website whilst browsing the internet for supplies of parts and resin etc.
Glad to see you're still involved in the industry though after all the advice you gave me on start up and even gladder that you have taken my idea on board about offering a days training whilst the system is being installed - that would have been very helpful for a complete novice like I was whilst having mine fitted at Adepta !
However, I was EXTREMELY surprised to find a beautiful, new Peugeot Expert van plastered over several of your web pages with its rear doors open wide and ready to receive a system - especially as it is MY van and the picture was taken outside the Adepta site ( you can even see the buildings opposite Adepta on the other side of the road ! ).
My van is also featured on your van waterproofing page - again EXTREMELY surprising considering that you are advertising a cheap D.I.Y. product called Protecta kote at £79.99 and my van floor has Kevlar re-inforced SPEEDLINER flooring at a cost in excess of £450 !!
Kind of makes a mockery of your home page blurb " you can rest assured of our integrity, honesty and down to earth attitude " doesn't it ?
Now - I look forward to receiving your comments and proposed next move because whilst I have no real urge to get Trading Standards or Speedliner themselves involved I think they would be very interested in the blatant mis-representation - don't you ?
Kind regards,
Simon Brannon
Propure
Thats not your van you muppet,thats mine,I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram,I am really pleased he used my van for his website.
EEERRRRRRR.....................NO IT AINT,THE SILVER VAN IS MINE PRIOR TO BEING FITTED,GET OVER IT,I CAN SEE MY CHELSEA BANNER IN THE FRONT...................DOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH :o
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Slash put a pic of van up to shut this idiot up.
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Now this could be very interesting!!!
If indeed this pic is of Slash's van then Clive's earlier post were spot on. There was no proof in the photo the van was Simon's and if this can now be proved I think we could be looking at PORPER not PROPURE.
Go on Slash show us a pic you know you want to!!
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Sorry to hear that Andrew is in hospital - whats the problem?
Matt - the reason I haven't been on since is that I took this forums general advice that Andrew would be in touch and I have been waiting for a response.
However there has been no contact from Andrew at all - which was the only reason for joining this forum originally.
Well, lets look at it this way. Simon (Hmm!! Simon. Interesting name. Coincidence?) Came on here ranting and raving like he did and all of a sudden we haven't seen him again.
Has this huge point to prove and all of a sudden he gets up the next day and its not so important to prove.
Oddlier and Oddlier.
Then we have someone else, also a newbie, claiming its his van ;D Dont tell me he's called Simon too, cos its one hell of a coincidence that he should quite innocently register on here a week before a picture of his own pesonal van surfaces on the worldwide web with someone else claiming its his van.
Someones having a windup cos somethings going on here and it aint window cleaning ;D
Andrew is in Hospital this maybe why you have not got a reply.
Ian
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Yes please slash - show us a picture of your van with the chelsea banner in it
Slash put a pic of van up to shut this idiot up.
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SO SIMON
Why is the other van tatty and nasty.....its my van and i can asure you it aint tatty.
Cmon geez....explain
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I was having a go back at some person called slash who has obviously been put up to try and discredit the fact that the van I'm talking about is mine !
No offence was intended to any one else and if Andrew is in hospital then I shall look forward to him taking it off the website as soon as he has made a full recovery.
SO SIMON
Why is the other van tatty and nasty.....its my van and i can asure you it aint tatty.
Cmon geez....explain
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When Andrew asked me if he could use my van photo on his website, he asked me to email him saying he could use my photos for any purpose, ie website.
I would be very surprised if he then used another persons photo on his site without permission :o.
Lets face it, the/your photo aint really advertising much, is it? Its just a photo of a van with waterproof protection (protectakote or speedlining). Im sure he could have used many a van which he has fitted systems in.
Bob
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Bob - the point is he didn't use any of the " lots of other photos" he could have!
He's used mine which was done by speedliner and then had the system installed by Adepta Engineering - so nothing to do with Exel systems - see?
It's mis representation all round - simple - end of story.
When Andrew asked me if he could use my van photo on his website, he asked me to email him saying he could use my photos for any purpose, ie website.
I would be very surprised if he then used another persons photo on his site without permission :o.
Lets face it, the/your photo aint really advertising much, is it? Its just a photo of a van with waterproof protection (protectakote or speedlining). Im sure he could have used many a van which he has fitted systems in.
Bob
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unless we see that chelsea banner :P
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The van is mine Bob - I hand fitted and painted in the flooring grey all the protective internal panels !
Through the windscreen of the sais picture you can see the offices opposite Adepta where the van was fitted out
unless we see that chelsea banner :P
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The van is mine Bob
Your word, thats all it is, so I therefore say to you that you should prove it.
Unquestionably, irrevocably, without a shadow of doubt, without question.
Go on, prove it.
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The proofs in the back of my van Matt - and Andrew knows that but if YOU really want proof I suppose you could ask Adepta yourself .
Personally I dont need to prove it to anybody - I would just like Andrew to take off the pictures - he knows whose van it is so as soon as he gets better I'm sure he will contact me.
But if he doesn't then I will let you all know in good time that he hasn't responded.
The van is mine Bob
Your word, thats all it is, so I therefore say to you that you should prove it.
Unquestionably, irrevocably, without a shadow of doubt, without question.
Go on, prove it.
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Your word against his, no irrefutable evidence its yours, its just ANOTHER van.
Save it for the Judge!
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The proofs in the back of my van Matt - and Andrew knows that but if YOU really want proof I suppose you could ask Adepta yourself .
Bingo , sorry mate but you have just blown the issue. It is not you and Andrew but Adepta who are so called Pure Freedom.
Mods please delete this as this is not an issue between Simon though he is playing the part. Pure Freedom are playing dirty in getting others to air their dirty laundry. I have thought this all the time and you have hit the nail on the head with the above statement.
Simon nothing against you but have a think you are playing the role Pure Freedom should be playing. You don't have the copyright to that photo nor Pure Freedom so this case needs to be dropped for legal reasons and trying to drag someones reputation who is well respected in this Industry.
Do all of us a favour please and lock this subject.
Many Thanks
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1st one to post a picture of the back of the same van with sundays paper on view wins ;)
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The point is that someone could accuse you of using proper kit instead of DIY stuff, a grave accusation i'm sure you'll agree
indeed, i would do my rep no good at all ::)
and on a par with the alleged innapropiate use pics.You think he's fair game because of what you've said, i don't, and i don't think you'd care for it if it was you.
no, the pics should NOT have been used without the owner of the van being asked first, my example of the van was that nothing can be done and it goes on all the time, even to the degree of a national advert campain using some pics that were taken at a show and the owner didnt know a thing about them, intill 1 day he drove past a billboard with his van on ( that same day he got a few text from mates saying about it aswell
The camper van is interesting because it seems to have entered the main stream. It's sort of our eqivalent of the harley davidson.
to be honest, most in the VW scene ( who have been in it for a while, would like it to be not " in vogue " i blame jamie oliver :P
The third thing of course is that because i don't agree that the thread is fair i have been trying to take it off topic.As regards your question i think dave deleted it.It was similar to this, true or not, just an attempt to cause ill feeling.
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I can’t believe this topic is still on here.
There are accusations being made by somebody who, Quote! “Personally I don’t need to prove it to anybody”
So that means we can all come on the forum discredit other members, suppliers etc and we don’t need to prove it.
If I decided to post a topic warning other members not to use the forums sponsor for their supplies or their directory for whatever discrediting reason I decided upon I would be OK, and I wouldn’t need to prove it. Or, would the goalpost be moved to suit. (I suspect a permanent ban would be the outcome :'()
The mods/admin must have read this topic and received email complaints regarding its unfair advantage with the accused not being able to reply. If they still see fit to let this topic run then to me this shows lack of professionalism on their part.
Simon, if you had any decency, now knowing the probable reason your email/telephone calls didn’t get a reply you would have deleted your first post and locked this topic until both parties are able to communicate with each other. You have shown a complete lack of professionalism by airing this on the forum in the first place and cowardly behaviour by perusing it in absents of your accused.
A few suspect there’s a third party involved and if like me believe this has totally backfired and has only discredited the third party (If One).
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I can’t believe this topic is still on here.
There are accusations being made by somebody who, Quote! “Personally I don’t need to prove it to anybody”
So that means we can all come on the forum discredit other members, suppliers etc and we don’t need to prove it.
If I decided to post a topic warning other members not to use the forums sponsor for their supplies or their directory for whatever discrediting reason I decided upon I would be OK, and I wouldn’t need to prove it. Or, would the goalpost be moved to suit. (I suspect a permanent ban would be the outcome :'()
The mods/admin must have read this topic and received email complaints regarding its unfair advantage with the accused not being able to reply. If they still see fit to let this topic run then to me this shows lack of professionalism on their part.
Simon, if you had any decency, now knowing the probable reason your email/telephone calls didn’t get a reply you would have deleted your first post and locked this topic until both parties are able to communicate with each other. You have shown a complete lack of professionalism by airing this on the forum in the first place and cowardly behaviour by perusing it in absents of your accused.
A few suspect there’s a third party involved and if like me believe this has totally backfired and has only discredited the third party (If One).
Agreed. This has certainly been a case of someone shooting themself in the foot - whether that be Simon or Adepta. Although I probably wouldn't have done so anyway (due to location), I couldn't see me availing myself of Adepta's services after this just in case they are involved.
Whatever you might think of the way Andrew does business, quite simply, you don't kick a guy when he's ill in hospital.
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Lets get one thing absolutely clear and this is something I do know about. The rights to any photo belongs to the person who takes it and not to the owner of the subject who has no rights at all.
Thats how newspapers get away with publishing the sort of embarrassing pictures of people that they do.
Now can we cut the character assasination and let Andrew get on with his business?
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I have not read through all this but i get the impression a guy isnt here to defend himself as he is in hospital, so until the guy reappears on the forum this thread is locked.