Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: alticry on September 18, 2008, 05:15:38 pm
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Starting up soon and a lady who gets her carpets cleaned on a regular basis told me that the best advice she could give as a customer was a fair price and to leave the carpets as dry as possible.
Is more vacum time the best way to do this or does anyone use a drying machine for this purpose.?
Also is a sebo duo good for agitation of carpets?
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There is so many things that affect drying times, one of the main things is the climate and humidity at the time of the clean, the customer can affect the drying times by making sure of good ventilation, keep windows open a little etc once you have gone home.
How many times have you gone into a job, the radiators are on full and all the windows are closed. And they thinkl they are helping you ???
Make sure your vac on your machine is working to its full potential, make sure all the hoses are in tact(No splits or loose cuffs) the seal on the dirty water tank is in good condition if your a porty user.
And finally only put down the minimum of water you need to do the job and plenty of dry passes.
You can install airmovers and dryers if you wish, to be honest i do use them on suites but hardly ever on carpets.
Mark
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Thanks Mark
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Why dont you dont have a go on your own mate just to see how you get on :)
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Alticry,
Forget Wet !!
Dry-as-a-bone.co.uk is a forward thinking 21st century company do not waste your money!
DRY is the only way forward !
Open your mind .
WFP cleaning windows is the way as well .
Do not listen to tradistionalists.
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A better piece of advice: Don't listen to any one person.
Even better advice than that: Don't be gullible enough to fall for the ridiculous way that "dry" systems are marketed.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Better still , just give it a good vac ;)
geoff
ps. responce to d/a/bone
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Hi Paul,(Alticry) hope you got a good deal on new machine. i used the system
mentioned by dry bone, used it in 1989,
gave it up and started doing quality work and top job in 1990 !!!!!!!!!
only good thing was the TM4 agitation machine, excellent for agitation,
as you will recall the day you went out with my tech, we used a similar machine.
It was the envirodri machine, however it has never seen dry granular compound in its life.
Regards
Andrew
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Jim,
How can "Dry " be classed as gullible marketing when it is sold in over 60 countries ?
Would you honestly allow somebody to soak your woolen carpet ?
I refer to the shiners section and their posts are always inovative and forward thinking ,
All I am saying is 10yrs ago the internet was a silly idea.
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Dryasabone,
These are the facts:
1.Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains.
2.Dry cleaning will not give the same result as HWE.
3.Dry cleaning will not clean as deep as HWE.
4.Dry cleaning is only good for cleaning Sissal, seagrass, saying that the results are not that good even in these cases.
It really is as simple as that!!! ;)
Mark
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Mark,
I think that if you are brave enough, you should e-mail or write to Hostvonschrader with your observations and opinions of their product and share the response with all of us on this forum.
7 days maybe?
Can.t wait
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Thanks to everyone for the advice. Did not want to start a fight though!
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just about to say, lets not get away from Alticry asking for help.
a duo would be a start, i prefer my envirodri as it is bigger, and has a bit more weight with it.
however duois cheaper and as your just starting will do you till you can afford something better,
there are always lots available when dry boners realise grass is greener on the other side.
Keep asking the questions Alticry
regards
Andrew
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dry boners ?
Is that a generic term for LOADS OF MONEY ?
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I can tell you how to earn money !!
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Dear me :-X
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Dryasabone,
These are the facts:
1.Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains.
2.Dry cleaning will not give the same result as HWE.
3.Dry cleaning will not clean as deep as HWE.
4.Dry cleaning is only good for cleaning Sissal, seagrass, saying that the results are not that good even in these cases.
It really is as simple as that!!! ;)
Mark
Sorry Mark, you post is mistaken, maybe you are confusing FibreDri (Prochem,solvent based system) with Host or EnviroDri.
I have been a sole Dry Cleaner for 5 years now, lost count of the number of water based stains that have shot out, even before I have put the sponges down (just pre spray)
With the dry I have done
Soot salvage
Pet Salvage
Student EOT
Pubs
Hotels
Resturants
Dry Cleaning is good for all carpets (I don't touch Sisal or Seagrass) it is not 'just a maintenance clean' it gives a good deep clean, smells great and is dry in about 1/2 an hour.
Although your comments are the general view in our world.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Mark,
I think that if you are brave enough, you should e-mail or write to Hostvonschrader with your observations and opinions of their product and share the response with all of us on this forum.
7 days maybe?
Can.t wait
I might write to them,
Dry, do they just make dry cleaning machines, or do they make hwe machines to "soak a wool carpet"
Regards
Andrew
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for all the dry cleaners
can you answer one question for me .
if dry is so good why is that the vast majority of HWE guys on here have or had a lms but still preffer to pay thousands to run a truckmount or top end portable .
Maybe they know something you are denying .
the thing that works for you dry guys are that you all come across as very good salesmen .
so dosen,t really matter what system you use it will always be the best to your customers
Good luck to you
Neil
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Dryasabone,
These are the facts:
1.Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains.
2.Dry cleaning will not give the same result as HWE.
3.Dry cleaning will not clean as deep as HWE.
4.Dry cleaning is only good for cleaning Sissal, seagrass, saying that the results are not that good even in these cases.
It really is as simple as that!!! ;)
Mark
Sorry Mark, you post is mistaken, maybe you are confusing FibreDri (Prochem,solvent based system) with Host or EnviroDri.
I have been a sole Dry Cleaner for 5 years now, lost count of the number of water based stains that have shot out, even before I have put the sponges down (just pre spray)
With the dry I have done
Soot salvage
Pet Salvage
Student EOT
Pubs
Hotels
Resturants
Dry Cleaning is good for all carpets (I don't touch Sisal or Seagrass) it is not 'just a maintenance clean' it gives a good deep clean, smells great and is dry in about 1/2 an hour.
Although your comments are the general view in our world.
Regards
Martin 8)
Martin,
Is the system you use Dry or low moisture, Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains!!
Mark
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Martin uses an Envirodri with their sponges, but he will pre spray when neccesary.
As he says he does EOT which as we all know can be really bad.
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Hi Guys
It's worth bearing in mind that dry systems such as Host and Enviridry used sawdust which is wet, probably containing 15 - 20 % moisture.
It would be impossible to have a completely dry material ( unless in a dessicator).
Cheers
Doug
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Dryasabone,
These are the facts:
1.Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains.
2.Dry cleaning will not give the same result as HWE.
3.Dry cleaning will not clean as deep as HWE.
4.Dry cleaning is only good for cleaning Sissal, seagrass, saying that the results are not that good even in these cases.
It really is as simple as that!!! ;)
Mark
Sorry Mark, you post is mistaken, maybe you are confusing FibreDri (Prochem,solvent based system) with Host or EnviroDri.
I have been a sole Dry Cleaner for 5 years now, lost count of the number of water based stains that have shot out, even before I have put the sponges down (just pre spray)
With the dry I have done
Soot salvage
Pet Salvage
Student EOT
Pubs
Hotels
Resturants
Dry Cleaning is good for all carpets (I don't touch Sisal or Seagrass) it is not 'just a maintenance clean' it gives a good deep clean, smells great and is dry in about 1/2 an hour.
Although your comments are the general view in our world.
Regards
Martin 8)
Martin,
Is the system you use Dry or low moisture, Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains!!
Mark
Hi Mark
Yes I use LM system, as Joe says. Of course it is not 100% dry as the sponges are moist and I do pre-spray.
Point taken though.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Jim,
How can "Dry " be classed as gullible marketing when it is sold in over 60 countries ?
Would you honestly allow somebody to soak your woolen carpet ?
I refer to the shiners section and their posts are always inovative and forward thinking ,
All I am saying is 10yrs ago the internet was a silly idea.
I would be interested to kow how the host etc get on cleaning carpets when the water that comes out is black.
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Jim,
How can "Dry " be classed as gullible marketing when it is sold in over 60 countries ?
Would you honestly allow somebody to soak your woolen carpet ?
I refer to the shiners section and their posts are always inovative and forward thinking ,
All I am saying is 10yrs ago the internet was a silly idea.
I would be interested to kow how the host etc get on cleaning carpets when the water that comes out is black.
Ian,
My thoughts exactly. I have used LM in the past. IMO they just spread the soiling about thinning it over a larger area, the results can look good but to be no comparison to HWE in most cases. The guys on here that harp on about Dry / LM carpet cleaning, have you ever used HWE and if so what did you think?
Mark
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Intersting discussion.
I've run a small indepent company (not tied to a franchise, so we can use what we like) for nineteen years. We use the following...
CARPETS.
1/ Hot water extraction (3 portables including CFR. I never thought I'd be in business long enough to justify a truck mount!)
2/ Low moisture (Dry Fusion & micro splitters with microfibre pads)
3/ Dry compound (HOST. I have used enviro dry but can't really say if one is better than the other).
UPHOLSTERY.
1/ HWE (CFR).
2/ Von Shrader.
The fact is that they are all the best to use IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
I've had times where I've used one system only eg HOST. The fact is that sooner or later you will come across a situation where a different approach works better. Here's a few examples.
1/ In the early nineties, I cleaned a really greasy pub carpet with HOST, just the way Geoff Greeley from HOST showed me. It came up great. The problem was that an area about the size of two through lounges cost about £70 in HOST compound and several hours of my time! Nowadays, I do them with HWE.
2/ We have been doing a large office block twice a year for several years (low profile loop tiles, with lots of drinks spillages).
HOST did not touch them (even with black brushes), HWE led to stains wicking back, but Dry Fusion has got them looking like the day the were laid. The client loves it.
3/ We've got people with floatex carpets that cannot be cleaned with DF and are a pig to dry with HWE. HOST brings them up beautifully. We also do server rooms that have to be cleaned with HOST. I've even got domestic customers who insist that they have carpets cleaned "with those cornflakes" (even when they've got navy blue long piled carpets - You try vacuuming dry compound off those!).
UPHOLSTERY.
I've had problems with VS with re-soiling due to the amount of foam left in the fabric. I've also found there is a point when HWE produces a much better result, particularly on greasy or grimed in dirt. This is especially true on folds on the arms of suites. With a CFR machine (HWE), being able to use a fine mist at up to 350 psi, in an enclosed tool gets fantastic results.
VS, however is great on quick turnaround jobs such as coach upholstery where having dry seats is the overiding priority.
With regard to drying we always use turbo dryers with HWE and DF.
The quicker, the better. Heck we even tried to speed up the drying of HOST sponges once by trying to move tha air around up high in a room. We got a mini tornado travel through the house and dump a load of HOST compound on the guy's snooker table!
Most of these methods are years old.
LM was around years ago and as for HOST...
I was at a seminar many years ago with a chap in his seventies. He said his granny used to clean her carpets with old tea leaves and a stiff broom!
I can understand someone's frustration when the invest a load of money and then find the stuff on general sale at half the price. The fact is that it's horses for courses. Go look for the work that suites your equipment
I'll sit back now and wait for the storm to erupt.
Garry
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Excellent post Garry ;) You hit the nail on the head.
Paul
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Gary summed it up well - horses for courses.
Just glad I got a TM, a Scorpion, Dry Fusion (and a 15" rotary), and Envirodri.
In the last 3 weeks I have used 4 of those 5 - the odd one out on this occassion was the DF.
All this week I have used the Scorpion and I gotta say that is some mean portable machine.
Back to the likes of Martin_606 - he only uses Envirodri across all his c/c jobs.
Got to give him respect for keeping at it and apparanlt making it work.
Just wish he wasnt 300 miles away cause I would love to have a day with him on the Envirodri jobs.
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Goodpost gary :)
Joe doesnt look like you will be parting with your scorpion just yet ;)
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Garry, I take my hat off to you, that was one of the best posts I've read on here for ages! :)
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Hi
Gary, that is an excellent post.
I totally agree with it and I have to be honest, if we as CC want to give the best service to our customers then we should both wet & dry systems available. no one system is the cure all, they all have pro's and cons.
I have been thinking about adding a wet system myself, otherwise how can I be totally professional.
I have been dry for 5 years, I cannot do upholstery unless I invest about £4,000 for a von Schrader, I can't justify the cost.
So If I want to grow and offer the best for customers then at some point I will have to add a wet system also.
Good post, well written.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Joe doesnt look like you will be parting with your scorpion just yet ;)
Its good to have a back up machine even when one has a TM.
Sometimes inaccesability is an issue, sometimes a fault (like now) may stop you using the TM.
So why not use what I already have - arguably the best porty.
I have external twin chamber heat exchanger as well so if I want to use high heat then I can, and if I want "half" heat I can do that as well..
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To Martin 606,
So the carpet will be dry in 'about 1/2 an hour' so its wet then!!!!!!!!!!!
Its not dry is it.
I tell my TM customers the carpets will 'be dry 'in about 2hrs' thats what I tell them, even quicker on a nice day like today.
Also I wouldnt put some powder on my jeans, scrub them with a scrubbing brush and vac the powder off would I to get them clean.
No I would put them in a washing machine with hot water and a phisical action to get them clean.
Feel the force.
Murky
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Splitting hairs here.
Those who have an Envirodri or a Host know how good they are for agitating deep into the carpet.
That means then the "sponges", which are slightly damp, will get deep into the carpet also.
Add a bit of pre spray, if the job needs it, and it gets a bit amper, but so long as you dont over prespray and get the carpet wet, then the prepray, aaprt from doing its job, will also be soaked up by the "sponges".
Therefore the carpet will be dry within 30 minutes.
In reality, you only vac the sponges up when they are dry. This means when you leave the job the carpets are dry.
Martin has done this for many years, if he was not getting the right response fromn the client he would have stopped a long time ago. Well done Martin for "perfecting" a system to an acceptable level.
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Spot on Joe If the system works well over years and the clients pay you good money then something must be right.Earlier this year i spoke to Martin for quite some time and he truly does seem to have nailed this system . I also mix n match when required and find both dry and wet do the job required for the clients at the time Regards Alan (swindon)
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Me also
I use h w e and sometimes l/m cleaning if and when its needed :)
Also in most cases i always go over the carpet when its been extracted with the buffer to help dring times :)
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Dryasabone,
These are the facts:
1.Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains.
2.Dry cleaning will not give the same result as HWE.
3.Dry cleaning will not clean as deep as HWE.
4.Dry cleaning is only good for cleaning Sissal, seagrass, saying that the results are not that good even in these cases.
It really is as simple as that!!! ;)
Mark
Sorry Mark, you post is mistaken, maybe you are confusing FibreDri (Prochem,solvent based system) with Host or EnviroDri.
I have been a sole Dry Cleaner for 5 years now, lost count of the number of water based stains that have shot out, even before I have put the sponges down (just pre spray)
With the dry I have done
Soot salvage
Pet Salvage
Student EOT
Pubs
Hotels
Resturants
Dry Cleaning is good for all carpets (I don't touch Sisal or Seagrass) it is not 'just a maintenance clean' it gives a good deep clean, smells great and is dry in about 1/2 an hour.
Although your comments are the general view in our world.
Regards
Martin 8)
Martin,
Is the system you use Dry or low moisture, Dry cleaning will not remove water based stains!!
Mark
Hi Mark
Yes I use LM system, as Joe says. Of course it is not 100% dry as the sponges are moist and I do pre-spray.
Point taken though.
Regards
Martin 8)
Hi Murky
Which part of '' Of course it's not 100% dry'' did you not understand?
Also read my other post where is does says even I am thinking of adding a wet system. Best to read what is actually written, rather than reading what's not there ;)
There is only 1 true 'DRY' system, I think it's called a Vacuum Cleaner?
Hi Joe
Thanks for the support, appreciated ;)
Regards
Martin 8)
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the nice comments and positive response. Sorry for the typing / spelling errors.
Alticry,
Re; Drying times....
I forgot to mention that all pre-vacuuming (commercial and many domestics) is carried out with a Holloway pilelifter.
In many cases the carpet looks almost clean before we've started "proper" cleaning. This affects drying times because we don't have to use half as much pre-spray for HWE or DF. You do not need so many passes with a wand - so less wetting.
It also cuts down dramatically on the amount of dry compound needed so cuts the cost of a job. In most cases it (as the name implies) raises the pile up, which is one of the things thar clients always seem to comment on.
Garry