Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: C-N-C on September 12, 2008, 08:06:50 pm
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may i first say 'HI' to you all ;),
im a newbie on this forum ::)
i have a window cleaning buissness in north-east england,but are now branching out to cleaning drives/patios etc....
iv cleaned a few for my custies,but now they are asking if i can do resin sealing,so i thought ..go for it,why not ,carnt be that hard to paint or roller the stuff on...CAN IT????? :D
anyway iv learned,clean first,then let dry and on a dry day sand then seal
is they no need to pre treat before resin seal or anything......
is that right and also do i just buy a tin of resin from builders yards etc then paint it on..???
any help will be much appreciated
take care
C-N-C ;)
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seal? ;D dry day? ;D ha ha ha, no such thing, the way the climate is changing, sealing will be a thing of the past, i packed it in this year along with a load of others, conditions need to be perfect to a proper job and we dont get enough of those days to do the jobs. stick to the cleaning instead matey.
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hiya drive surgeon mate ;)
seal? dry day? ha ha ha, no such thing,
;D ;D ;D....LOL....LOL....
you the man i need to talk to dude ;)
i read that on another post mate,the only thing is drive surgeon ,iv got 3 jobs what iv priced and they just waiting for me to start...SHOOT!!!! ::)
thank you man,
im going to stick to just the cleaning now mate,do ya think i might get away with doing them couple, if i do them NOW!!!!just to keep them custies sweet???
anyway big"THANK YOU" drive surgeon
take care mate
C-N-C ;)
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switch them to marshalls joint stabilizer, its your only hope. you wont screw it up if its damp and it will be cheaper for customer. weedkill first though and tell them to water with sodium chlorate to keep weeds at bay every couple of months.
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cnc, listen to steve, sealing using acrylics and resins is getting harder by the day with the damp all year round weather. there are very few days suitable in the summer especially if you have a list to do. even when conditions are right there are chances of comebacks etc. non of them last as long as they should and they are expensive. i can see a few sealing companies going bust! clean the driveway, apply weedkiller, allow to dry fully then sand and throw some keybond down to harden the sand, its much cheaper and quicker. 2 years ago i had around 20 or more sealing jobs to do, but what a load of hassle, no good weather, had to buy it all in first, ringing customers every 5 mins saying sorry cant do it now its to damp. no way anymore! good luck mate. :)
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i all i have cleaned ans sealed a few driveways there is some dry days to do sealing.
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not when you have a list of 15 to 20 jobs to its impossible, so i cant advertise it.
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drive surgan where are you from what area.
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hiya there fella's,
sorry i never been bk,had a mad weekend on vodka ;D
hey thanks for your help drive surgeon & steve_doyle ;)
just been to look at resin block,nealy 50 pound for 5ltrs :ocoveres 10m2
never knew it was so expensive,
yep yeah right drive s mate,can hardly get my window rounds done these days wot with the rain :'(
be even harder to wait for a dry day to do a resin job man.....
i think DS is right mark.laycock1 mate,thank you anyway dude :)
going to have a look at the joint stabiliser steve mate ;)
oh !and thanks DS mate-
good luck mate.
all advise verry much appreciated guy's
ya sound
take care
C-N-C ;)
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P.S steve mate where can i get a bit of that marshalls joint stabilizer pal???
thank you
C-N-C ;)
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It can be got at travis perkins, they will list it at about £50, but dont panic, just tell them you normally pay about £34 inc vat. they will discount it, not sure why they price it up like they do but have always reduced it for me.
Alternatively i think some one said they had seen it a focus or wickes for about £30.
steve
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thank you steve ;)
travis perkins about 200yrds away from me.... ::)
thank you again mate,
take care man
C-N-C ;)
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marshalls keybond £34 or wicks own brand joint stabiliser £30.
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hey there dandandan mate,
sorry dude never got a e-mail notification ::)
think ill go for the marshals keybond mate,nice 1 man... ;)
wickes is,well ,i dont know were it is,but can go to travis perkins first thing.... ;)
going to do my first 1 tommorow mate,cleaned it last week,
noticed id left a few bits of moss in cracks,can i just scrape them out then brush it away????????
thank you man
in fact thank you all fella's,ya sound
let ya all know how it goes :)
take care all
C-N-C ;)
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Just use a wire brush, you know the ones for getting rust off things
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hiya drivewasher mate ;)
yeah man i know the ones you mean man,
thank you mate,got 1 in shed ;D ;D
been to travis perkins and they got there own make sealer 5ltrs for 22 pound...
or stuff for 42 pound,one coat gear,
might go for the 22pound stuff 8)
was going to do the job today,but forcast rain so decided to hit the windows until the rain come,but it never did ::)SODS LAW....
anyway drivewasher mate thanks again man
take care
C-N-C
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Try this sealer. VERY good stuff by folk who know what thier doing
www.stores.ebay.co.uk/Block-Paving-Sealing-Solutions (http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/Block-Paving-Sealing-Solutions)
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Looks a good company ,would you pay the extra for the ultra or is the super ok.Like the way you can use it on all types of surface so it`s simplified.Might get a tub and do my own house next spring like as i doubt we`ll be getting any sealing weather again this year,how many dry days do you need before you can chance sealing and how long after sealing do you need it to be dry.Thanks Dan
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The ultra is for very dense material that standard resin won't adhere to. EG clay paviors, slate etc standard resin would de laminate and look "salty" after a few days.
However you can use ultra on everything it may be worth the extra small cost to only have one product in stock as you can end up with part tubs of each
Drying depends on the layout etc low lying jobs in shade can take ages, on the other hand surfaces higher than the surrounding area can dry quite quickly. I would say at least 24 hours then try sanding it if the sand pulls moisture up from the sub base then you cant seal it as the sand is already filled up so to speak with water so it wont take any resin whisc is the object of the exercise!
Some sealers do jobs with a couple of damp spots in bad places but are quite wiling to go back in later weks to re do the bad joints when its dry. This weather they have got to get some money in from somwhere, so adopt this policy if the initial price is a good un!
Speak to these guys in Bolton they offer on the job training it is very good and covers all aspects from getting work to cleaning then sealing both pic and paviors
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Thanks,didn`t catch the guys in bolton,did you mean to add an address,dan
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NO the one from previous post, who make the resin
this one
www.stores.ebay.co.uk/Block-Paving-Sealing-Solutions (http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/Block-Paving-Sealing-Solutions)
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thank you drivewasher mate ;)
plenty ov good info man......... ;)
deffo going with the ultra man,thought the same about having bits left in tins,wasting money.......
iv already washed a drive and the lady is waiting for me to sand & seal it,
been 2 weeks now ,still no good weather,just hope i can squeeze this last job inb4 christmas...LOL..
However you can use ultra on everything it may be worth the extra small cost to only have one product in stock as you can end up with part tubs of each
dont mind paying the extra drivewasher because i was ready to buy resiblock,i think it was 50(ish) pound for 5 ltrs :o
bit gutted at min,bought a surface cleaner from northstar,only used it couple times and its cracked round the top where the big nut on top joins lance ,plus one wheel has snapped,
it was only a baby one about 80 pound,but even so..... >:(
anyway big thank you again drivewasher mate,you da man ;) ;)
take care mate....
C-N-C ;)
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sealants are dear!
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hiya fellas ;)
sorry havnt bin around for a while....been cut off :-[LOL
anyway done that drive guys the other day.......
how come when i was sweeping the execess sand away it was dragging it up out the gaps?????
also i applied a patio sealant, not the resin ,but i hope it will bond the sand and protect it,well i thought she didnt want the gloss finish, i bought the patio sealer from contrct supplys twenty odd quid for 5ltrs (didnt have the money for better stuff) :-[and when i rollered it on that also dragged the sand back out the gaps.......OH MY GOD....
cleaned this drive weeks ago,and needed to finish the job and get paid 8)
turned out to be a knightmare guys,when i first got there i spent most the day removing moss with a screwdriver :(
so when iv finished it she said why isnt it wet look..... :o :o :o
can the resin be applied after this gear or will it be like painting gloss paint with emoulision? now its got a water protector on the drive will the resin lay propley???
need help on this 1 guy's if possible,
shes already been on 4n complaing about the mess we left,,,,a gust of wind blew the roller tray upside down on the road in front of her house.......do i use thinners or jetwash to clean it up???????
this is my first clean sand & seal job and its looking like my last....LOL
i love the job,and the money,just need a helping hand as iv got no experiance what so ever :-[
big thank you
and take care
C-N-C
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i told you to steer clear of sealing, unless you know what your doing, even then its a nightmare! :(
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i know,i know drivesurgeon mate :-[,
just wish i'd ov listened dude ::)
take care man
C-N-C
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hiya fellas ;)
if anyone still popping in on this post,
iv been to this job today after a phone call from the custie wasnt happy ::) ::)
here we go.... ::)
anyway while i was there the big mouthed gardner said i hadnt even sealed it .......i wanted to kick his daft a*se all over this drve man.... >:(
anyway told him to look at the shine(wich was hard to see 8)) also bits of sand were hard like cement,
i pointed out this was a matt and it wasnt wet look,he actuly knew less than me,........LOL...i told him about the damp absorbing the sand so the resin carnt soak in(thanks for that drivewasher mate ;))
thats why the sand is still soft in places.......probaly right.....
also the sand was dragged back out the gaps by the roller and seemed to lay in lines across the drive and looks s*it,most of it sweeps of with a stiff brush.......
plus theres a patch of sealer on tarmac wich i carnt get off...any ideas,
im in trouble...,,,,SH*T!!!!!!!
think id be better off osing a light spray??????
also can i lay gloss resin ontop of this stuff???????
thank you
take care
C-N-C ;)
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I think someone will be along to help you,
I never got into the sealing for these very reasons so cant advise really. Although i would be tempted to say it was anti slip to get round the sand on the surface ;) . Depends if you could get away with it, but its not ideal!
The spill will require a thinner of some sort, hopefully someone will be along to help shortly. It is probably helpfull to post what the sealent is made up of.
steve
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xylene thinners, wear a mask, this should do it! the fumes are cancerous!
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The only trouble with useing thinners (xylene) is you can't really get the resin completley off, you will just dilute it.
You may be able to soak the stain in thinners and pressure wash it off may take a couple of attempts. It will make a mess as the resin goes into what looks like balls of chewing gum, these balls stick to everything else, even then the stained area will be "cleaner" than the rest of the pathway
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nightmare my friend! swerve sealing jobs if you can! the custy could always claim for a new driveway off her insurance? :( :o
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hiya there guy's.....
big thank you for your replys :)
steve thats sound man...lol....anyway fellas been to c the lady and swept a lot of sand off drive just brushed away with a bit pressure ...PHEW....
im no expert, but i think where iv scraped moss out just b4 i sanded and sealed it ,its been moist,even few bits made sand damp..... :-\
i also tried to fill ALL gaps between block pave with loads of sand so they was a wide line of sand between all bricks(looked good),,,,but now iv seen other jobs they just sand the lil gaps between bricks and ya carnt hardley see sand....my mistake :-[
i have agreed to go back and do it ALL again with wet look resin once the weather breakes :(
i also think i should of give it the 2 coats it said on tin...TUT TUT TUT....
some bitd of sand had set and i was happy until i seen the damp stuff :-[
hey there drivewasher and drive surgeon ;)
carnt belive that guys...this is my worst knightmare :'(,my window cleaning jobs in this little cul de sac are a good earner and custies are very up there self...i even have to change my voice to a posh 1 while im there just to communicate with them...ya know the type :-XLOL....
iv already had 1 comment on the bit ov a mess on the road where the resin spilt........just dont belive my look....i can c one ov them getting onto the council then billing me........
i might just have to resin the full road......LOL
thank you sooooooo much guy's
ya are sound,
take care
C-N-C ;)
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Hi CNC, I am afraid that you have learned the hard way that the drive cleaning game is not as easy as it may at first seem. At least, not if you are going to do a professional job.
One tip for you though: -
Return your Northstar FSC for a full refund. At least return it if it broke during normal use, or appears to have.
Not sure what other kit you have but if of the same standard as the FSC you are always going to struggle.
I wish you well for the future.
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hiya iam mate ;)
ya not wrong man,looked so easy at fist dude,how hard could it be??????
i know now :o
Return your Northstar FSC for a full refund. At least return it if it broke during normal use, or appears to have.
Not sure what other kit you have but if of the same standard as the FSC you are always going to struggle.
I wish you well for the future.
iv changed a few things now man to strenthen it.......look into changing it back,thanks man....
i just bought ,not long ago a pressure washer,2300psi i think and a little surface cleaner,cheapo what attaches to lance :-[bout 70 pounds worth man....... :-[
its sound to do some patios dont get some things up like black mold spots ,but its made its money so far,
would like to learn more because i love the job....
anyway dude have to go missus on case,
take care man
C-N-C ;)
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where are you cnc , we could give you advise?
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hi there drive surgeon mate ;)
im in the north east part of england mate,place called hartlepool.......
take care dude
C-N-C ;)
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I do a fair bit of sealing and one thing I was taught when I first started was dont skimp on the materials. Keep away from the stuff you can buy in DIY shops. I use either PICS or Resiblock. Its not cheap but you really do get what you pay for!
You can always ask for the money for materials up front as part of the quote if you cant afford the outlay.
If the customer is not prepared to pay for the stuff in the first place you need to explain that if you want cheaper alternatives your not prepared to do the job, you might lose a couple of jobs but at least you dont get all the hassle you have above!
Always apply two coats, there is a reason for this with the sealant. The first coat is a base and the second coat chemically reacts with the first. Just brush the sand in so that it just reaches the camfours, this will stop the sand moving when you roller. Put plenty of sealant on especially on the first coat and roller it lightly and evenly!
Dont skimp you get what you pat for!!!