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Title: isopropanol
Post by: dmlservices on September 12, 2008, 11:57:35 am
a while ago alot of you were using this in their tanks, many said they got better cleaning results , nwh in particular  was using it if i remember right, anyway with winter aproaching i was thinking of getting some, any body still using it daily?, and does it out clean compared to not using it?


daz
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 12, 2008, 04:27:44 pm
i use it daily and have done for around 11 months now , the main benifit being if you are working in a high traffic area where the windows have got that grease type film it just cuts through it same with snails trails . i allso think the shine on the glass is better compared to just using pure water .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: jaykie on September 12, 2008, 04:39:01 pm
Where do you guys buy it from, NWH if your reading is there any where local.

Chris
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 12, 2008, 04:50:42 pm
Where do you guys buy it from, NWH if your reading is there any where local.

Chris
i use a company near to me and get 25 ltrs for £30 there numbers 01226 387101 they minght deliver but not sure , you can allso get it from printering supply places if you have 1 local to you .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: rah on September 12, 2008, 05:42:08 pm
Picking up on this, what quantity are you putting into the tank?

Rob.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: [GQC] Tim on September 12, 2008, 06:31:30 pm
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Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: dmlservices on September 12, 2008, 06:37:25 pm
i use it daily and have done for around 11 months now , the main benifit being if you are working in a high traffic area where the windows have got that grease type film it just cuts through it same with snails trails . i allso think the shine on the glass is better compared to just using pure water .

thanks for that, nice to see some feed back after extended use , i do a few on main roads , so will get some and give it a try.


daz
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: NWH on September 12, 2008, 06:39:57 pm
Make sure you get the purest 1,they don`t a couple of types and 1 dosen`t come up 000 on the meter get the 95-99% 1.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: kris martin on September 12, 2008, 10:28:07 pm
does anybody know where i can get this from in manchester...
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 13, 2008, 09:02:19 am
does anybody know where i can get this from in manchester...
if you have a maplins near you they sell it a bit pricey there though £9.99 for 1ltr  tims put a link up for e-bay and you could allso try these  01226 387101  these do 25 ltrs for £30 but im not sure if they deliver i think they would do as they are a big company .
Picking up on this, what quantity are you putting into the tank?

Rob.
i just tip it in my 1000 ltr ibc tank on average im maybe putting 1 ltr in per 1000 ltr .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: STEVE-UK on September 14, 2008, 09:02:17 am
is isopropanol plant friendly?
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 14, 2008, 12:20:59 pm
is isopropanol plant friendly?
theres nothing wrong with my plants in my baskets and tubs that are below windows and have the water dripping onto them maybe if it was neat then that could be diffrent .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: dudek on September 14, 2008, 06:52:52 pm
Can it be used with a hot system?
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: NWH on September 14, 2008, 06:54:31 pm
What for.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 08:04:22 pm
does anybody know where i can get this from in manchester...
if you have a maplins near you they sell it a bit pricey there though £9.99 for 1ltr  tims put a link up for e-bay and you could allso try these  01226 387101  these do 25 ltrs for £30 but im not sure if they deliver i think they would do as they are a big company .
Picking up on this, what quantity are you putting into the tank?

Rob.
i just tip it in my 1000 ltr ibc tank on average im maybe putting 1 ltr in per 1000 ltr .


How do you tranfer it to your van? Because it will float on the surface and won't be picked up by a submersible.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 14, 2008, 08:16:03 pm


How do you tranfer it to your van? Because it will float on the surface and won't be picked up by a submersible.
Quote
i use a submersible and theres plenty going in to my tank as i notice when im cleaning the windows mate .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 08:22:33 pm
These Isopropanol posts are a giggle aren't they? You guys who are using/wasting the stuff, get a clean glass of water then pour say twenty percent into the water and see what happens. The Alcohol rises to the top and sits there until it evaporates. Chuck it in your tank and it sits on the top, your outlet is always at the bottom, so how much alcohol do you think is hitting the glass? If any gets through and makes it to the brush head (doubtful) the chances are it will evaporate so fast as to be neglegable. To use it in a suspended form you would need a circulating pump constantly churning the water to keep it mixed and no-one has that. Don't believe me? then try it in the glass - you are all wasting your money i'm afraid.  ::)
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 08:32:04 pm
Chuck one litre into your 1000 litre tank and you'll probably get a film of alcohol probably a millimeter thick floating on the surface, this will evaporate in no time, the chances are you've never actually got ANY alcohol on the glass ever!
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: d s windowcleaning on September 14, 2008, 08:46:19 pm
Chuck one litre into your 1000 litre tank and you'll probably get a film of alcohol probably a millimeter thick floating on the surface, this will evaporate in no time, the chances are you've never actually got ANY alcohol on the glass ever!
i know i have mate when you use ipa in your water it bubbles/foams when it comes into contact with the glass .
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 08:47:12 pm
Pour it in a glass, go on try it. There is no way you will suck alcohol from the bottom of 1000 litres of static water it's going to be four feet higher than your pump.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: NWH on September 14, 2008, 09:12:54 pm
These Isopropanol posts are a giggle aren't they? You guys who are using/wasting the stuff, get a clean glass of water then pour say twenty percent into the water and see what happens. The Alcohol rises to the top and sits there until it evaporates. Chuck it in your tank and it sits on the top, your outlet is always at the bottom, so how much alcohol do you think is hitting the glass? If any gets through and makes it to the brush head (doubtful) the chances are it will evaporate so fast as to be neglegable. To use it in a suspended form you would need a circulating pump constantly churning the water to keep it mixed and no-one has that. Don't believe me? then try it in the glass - you are all wasting your money i'm afraid.  ::)
Is that why it produces bubbles on the glass and stops the water from freezing then is it,another pointless comment from you ftp why don`t you try it like you should a lot of other things before you waste time posting rubbish.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: peter holley on September 14, 2008, 09:27:28 pm
ftp... you are very inexperienced and post before you have tried and tested...i only listen to posts when i know that the person has experience....and i feel you have a GOOD BRAIN BUT NO EXPERIENCE
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: Nathanael Jones on September 14, 2008, 09:35:52 pm
Can it be used with a hot system?

Yep,.. it works really good to!

I wasn't too impressed when I tried IPA in my cold setup,... but it's really good with hot water.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: Nathanael Jones on September 14, 2008, 09:37:34 pm
Chuck one litre into your 1000 litre tank and you'll probably get a film of alcohol probably a millimeter thick floating on the surface, this will evaporate in no time, the chances are you've never actually got ANY alcohol on the glass ever!

I thought the same till I tried it.
It makes a visible difference,.. bubbles on the glass, better sheeting etc.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: dudek on September 14, 2008, 09:49:26 pm
so no chance of an explosion then?  :o
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on September 14, 2008, 09:51:02 pm
sorry ftp but iso does not sit in a seperate layer
i know where you are coming from with the print back ground
but iso mixed with water stabilizes and bonds
you need to add salt to make it seperate out into a seperate layer
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on September 14, 2008, 09:51:45 pm
so no chance of an explosion then?  :o
no
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: dudek on September 14, 2008, 09:59:35 pm
will it make any easier or quicker?
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on September 14, 2008, 10:03:53 pm
personally i used it last winter
it stopped hose freezing on the ground
did seem to give a high shine to the glass
dont use it all the time tho
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 10:34:46 pm
Well, i have a container of 100% isopropanol and i added it to a glass of water tonight try it! I know what i'm talking about i've had thirty three years of using the stuff so i think i'm more experienced than anyone on this forum. If you think a litre will mix in 1000l of static water then so be it, but i know different. Go on mix it and watch your mixture in the glass.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: NWH on September 14, 2008, 10:37:17 pm
Do you not listen,i`ve used the stuff for 2 years now and am living proof that it does work.Lets start a new thread lets argue for the sake of it.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 11:02:46 pm
Sorry NWH you are the one who doesn't listen if you want to waste your time and everyone  elses then carry on. Would you like me to take a photo for you? It seems you haven't got a clue what your doing. Are you using a hydrometer or a glugometer?
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: ftp on September 14, 2008, 11:15:46 pm
The guys adding it to their backpacks or van mounts might be able to get it to mix to some extent with the vehicle sloshing the water around. If using it as an antifreeze you'll need far more than a whisky glass per tank for it to work which is the amount NWH was using last year - the percentage is minimal. The chap with the static tank hasn't a chance of drawing it from the bottom of his tank.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: Nathanael Jones on September 14, 2008, 11:22:08 pm
so no chance of an explosion then?  :o

Only a small one!!!

;)


I asked a buddy of mine who's a chemist,.. he reckons that without a source of oxygen, and when the temp is limited by the boiling point of water, and when it's mixed 1000:1,... then no,.. no explosion,...
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: seandyer2003 on September 15, 2008, 01:59:58 pm
so no chance of an explosion then?  :o

Only a small one!!!

;)


I asked a buddy of mine who's a chemist,.. he reckons that without a source of oxygen, and when the temp is limited by the boiling point of water, and when it's mixed 1000:1,... then no,.. no explosion,...

Thats encouraging :) Only a small chance is still worrying?
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: trevor perry on September 15, 2008, 03:12:15 pm
sorry ftp but i use the stuff and have done for over 12 months i add a small glass full to a 650 ltr tank and you can definately tell it is there the water bubbles on contact with glass and in my opinion it definately makes the water sheet better, give it a try and then try and tell us it doesnt mix.
Title: Re: isopropanol
Post by: Nathanael Jones on September 15, 2008, 05:22:27 pm
so no chance of an explosion then?  :o


I've used IPA in my hot system a few times,.. no problems at all so far.
Only a small one!!!

;)


I asked a buddy of mine who's a chemist,.. he reckons that without a source of oxygen, and when the temp is limited by the boiling point of water, and when it's mixed 1000:1,... then no,.. no explosion,...

Thats encouraging :) Only a small chance is still worrying?