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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ally gray on September 02, 2008, 04:28:06 pm
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lets start an honest debate.
What can todays wfp proffesional window cleaner realistically earn per week/day. After all its what most of us get up in the morning for.
let me start 250 pound gross per day for me (before taxes/costs etc) is this about right with the rest of you i do a mixture of commercial and residential 70/30 in favour of residential 40ish hour week.
Thanks in advance for honest views
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Mods, can you lock or delete this topic, dont want my earnings going down cos all the wanna be window cleaners go out and undercut everyone!!!
>:(
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No thankyou on this topic not anymore it`s been done to many times before,we all know what we and others can earn.
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Mick,
i think you may be missing the point i,m sure many of us would like an idea if we are about right in what we earn compared to others of course you don,t have to put figures down if you don,t want but please dont try and stop others sharing there experiences.
p.s do a proffesional job and cowboys undercutting you willl never be a real issue.
cheers
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Another newbie asking about earnings ::)
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If your asking about earnings you have little experience in this game,you`ve tripped yourself up with the question in the first place.Big brother might be watching.
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don,t be shy
after many years in the game i wouldn,t really consider myself a newbie as already stated i,m sure there are many many keen to disscuss this so its not for anyone to stop it surely.
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Your profile says your the shy 1.
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NWH,
I,m not shy, just out running my business most of the time not talking on here.
If my question raises issues for people then sorry no offence meant just thought it might be an interesting topic. if people want to get involved they will, if they don't they won't simple as that.
cheers
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They won`t.
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:-X
;D
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The way things are at the moment ie rising bills etc,the last thing we should be talking about is how much we earn.Why don`t we just rub are custies noses in it.
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Mick,
i think you may be missing the point i,m sure many of us would like an idea if we are about right in what we earn compared to others of course you don,t have to put figures down if you don,t want but please dont try and stop others sharing there experiences.
p.s do a proffesional job and cowboys undercutting you willl never be a real issue.
cheers
If you do a search on previous topics such as this you will see they all got the same kind of response as this!
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wots the point ...... icould nt care less wot anyone else earns matey.... as long as everyone can get out each and every day they have work on - theres all ready too much of " ive got this / ive got that crap, my wot evers bigger than urs stuff..
i dont compare earnings wiv anyone-
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TAXI for ally gray lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you have to ask how much then you can't afford it
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Personally , I dont get out of bed for less than a grand a day ;D
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I don`t get out of bed unless the Mrs gives me kick lol. ;D ;D ;D
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I don`t get out of bed unless the Mrs gives me kick lol. ;D ;D ;D
When I was married , and the mrs wouldnt get up to make me breakfast I used to take a run up and dive on the water bed , instantly proppeling her 6 feet in the air , and landing on the floor !!! I cant understand why she left ???
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This is probably nearer most window cleaners true earnings, i speak to loads near me and nobody earns any where near the above poll figures. --------------------------------------------------------------
Window-cleaning costs are also rising as firms give up their ladders in favour of new technology such as extendable poles, which wash the glass by shooting purified water at it from a tank on the ground. The system can cost up to £12,000, on top of which the contractor needs a van to carry the machinery to jobs. In all, that can boost a window cleaner’s hourly rate from £7-£10 an hour to more than £15, according to the Federation of Window Cleaners.
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If your asking about earnings you have little experience in this game,you`ve tripped yourself up with the question in the first place.Big brother might be watching.
You've missed the obvious: He IS big brother :o
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i feel like im in the diary room
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Don't post anything about earnings on an open forum. It's my business and none of your business what i earn. >:(
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Minimum wage £46 for 8hours ;D
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i do it as a hobby...... I LOVE IT... especially when its wet and cold...
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wages 500 pound a week dole money 4 kids and wife 400 pound plus rent paid and councill tax free and water rates free i have to pay for tv licence :'(
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wages 500 pound a week dole money 4 kids and wife 400 pound plus rent paid and councill tax free and water rates free i have to pay for tv licence :'(
;D
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I see that good ol' Gordy brown is getting his tax inspectors to do a little detective work.
You wouldnt just stop a stranger in the street and ask them how much they earned.
Know a friend of a friend who works for her Maj's and if you are ever unfortunate to have to sit in front of Mr Purge and Mr sifter, he will know roughly how much you earn.
Paranoid? no, Careful? ;)
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we do indeed have a lot of people looking over their shoulders on here! I think he was asking an innocent question.
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innocent or not
my earnings are my business and no one elses
why do some people feel they need to know about how much someone else earns
??? ::) set your own standards and targets
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innocent or not
my earnings are my business and no one elses
why do some people feel they need to know about how much someone else earns
??? ::) set your own standards and targets
Mr Thorpe £50 a day is enough for anyone mate ;D
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I find it interesting to know what people aim for in a day or week. It's encouraging to know what people can accomplish in your own job as it means you could be earning the same if you try. If you have a target of £50 a day youll only earn £50. If you aim for £250 you may not earn it right away but if you keep trying, you could eventually get there! I have my own target for each day and it makes it easier aiming for it whether i do less or even more.
I do agree it's not a good idea broadcasting what you earn exactly on here though, especially if people know who you are and where your work is.... still a topic that I've often thought about and interests me though!
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This is probably nearer most window cleaners true earnings, i speak to loads near me and nobody earns any where near the above poll figures. --------------------------------------------------------------
Window-cleaning costs are also rising as firms give up their ladders in favour of new technology such as extendable poles, which wash the glass by shooting purified water at it from a tank on the ground. The system can cost up to £12,000, on top of which the contractor needs a van to carry the machinery to jobs. In all, that can boost a window cleaner’s hourly rate from £7-£10 an hour to more than £15, according to the Federation of Window Cleaners.
I saw this in the mail on sunday, it made me think how can i acheive this sort of hourly rate ???
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You don’t know how £15 per hour mentioned by the FWC was calculated.
Could be net profit or even based on 40 hour week including other work such as admin and you income is averaged; it even could be an average within the industry which would usually mean nothing to the individual.
Could have even got there figures from the tax man!
Some people on here don’t know how much it cost them to run there business for a year, so whatever they think they have earned it’s got to be wrong.
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Very true, well mostly, although I hate to say it ;D
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Im going Im going, shut up.
Anyway, Ive done 40 hours work in 20 hours so Ive got time to stop for a sandwich, which Im contemplating putting against my tax liability ;D
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This is probably nearer most window cleaners true earnings, i speak to loads near me and nobody earns any where near the above poll figures. --------------------------------------------------------------
Window-cleaning costs are also rising as firms give up their ladders in favour of new technology such as extendable poles, which wash the glass by shooting purified water at it from a tank on the ground. The system can cost up to £12,000, on top of which the contractor needs a van to carry the machinery to jobs. In all, that can boost a window cleaner’s hourly rate from £7-£10 an hour to more than £15, according to the Federation of Window Cleaners.
I saw this in the mail on sunday, it made me think how can i acheive this sort of hourly rate ???
me too
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£15 an hr surely thats not possible ALL day? :)
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£15 an hr surely thats not possible ALL day? :)
i dont think so :)
like ewan says there is all the admin,collecting(if you still do it),maintenance etc
that takes hourly rate down even further
people just dont realise it ;)
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I do £15 an hour occassionally on really good accounts, but its a rarity and certainly not something I could do all day, day in day out.
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Matt
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i know, the taxman knows what we earn though thankfully.... ;) about £70 a day we average i reckon..
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I would like to run a pole on how much tax did you pay last year. that should be enlightening.
that is If everyone told the truth.
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i asked my mate who is a builder what he paid in tax last year, this guy employs etc, earns over £40, 000 a year, he paid a whopping £1100 ?!! and he rents a house out, taxman mustve been feeling cheery when he did his return?
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How much did he pay then.
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How much did he pay then.
1100
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seriously?
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You paid £986,is that all.
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thats all the taxman knew about ;)
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You paid £986,is that all.
How'd you know he paid £986?
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Who is ally gray anyway?
The mysterious Mr X.
I earn enough to stay alive, thats all anyone needs to know.
If I'm hard up, i don't want you to know and if I'm absolutely loaded I don't want you to know.
if I did want to make my earnings public I'd put it on my website or something
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considering certain members predicted no response NWH i think 54 in just a couple of days isnt that bad, you see as much as people pretend not to be interested it is clearly without doubt THE most important issue.
Yes people may be reluctant to give their particulars but lets not kid ourselves were all interested what others EARN within our proffesion.
p.s Ian Lancaster or anyone else for that matter i can see were you might get your impression (big brother) etc from regarding my topic but i can assure you might question was a completely innocent one and only raised out of interest to ensure my prices were not a million miles away from the norm.
p.p.s I think this forum is fantastic, it opens up discussion, debate and information were none (or very little) previously existed, the moderators/organisers deserve huge credit.
Cheers
Ally
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So are your prices ok? Or a million miles away from the norm?
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ok i think.
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considering certain members predicted no response NWH i think 54 in just a couple of days isnt that bad, you see as much as people pretend not to be interested it is clearly without doubt THE most important issue.
Yes people may be reluctant to give their particulars but lets not kid ourselves were all interested what others EARN within our proffesion.
p.s Ian Lancaster or anyone else for that matter i can see were you might get your impression (big brother) etc from regarding my topic but i can assure you might question was a completely innocent one and only raised out of interest to ensure my prices were not a million miles away from the norm.
p.p.s I think this forum is fantastic, it opens up discussion, debate and information were none (or very little) previously existed, the moderators/organisers deserve huge credit.
Cheers
Ally
Got anyones earnings then have you i think not,you are no closer to knowing how much people earn on here than before you started.
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You've got pretty much the same open ideas as the rest of us Allyoop but NWH is also correct because these topics often go off the rails and get personal. The fed as industry spokespersons are quite right to say(daily Mail) earnings of £15 ph can be achieved. This is a very good rate for work that is both manual and largely unskilled.
Our customers look forward to us coming regularly and doing a good job but we have to leave them with a feel good factor; We work briskly but do not rush, we earn a wage but are not out to rob anyone. The perception that we are nothing but grand a week wide boys who even have our own internet bragging forum can leave a nasty taste.
A few years ago plumbers were the easy money 'nasties' and before that 'brickies'. In these economic times the tabloids would like nothing more than to splash a £1,500 pw WC across a centre page spread and make us the fast lane playboy scapegoats and new hate figures of the noughties.A window cleaner near me works out of a new top spec merc convertible with an open roof and a trailer, if a journo approached him i bet he'd jump at the chance to look big in front of all his mates. Great, but what about the rest of us?
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You and the media Discount don’t tell me you will believe what they write about window cleaners.
;) ;D
I doubt it, but it's what the customer believes that could have a negative effect.
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You've got pretty much the same open ideas as the rest of us Allyoop but NWH is also correct because these topics often go off the rails and get personal. The fed as industry spokespersons are quite right to say(daily Mail) earnings of £15 ph can be achieved. This is a very good rate for work that is both manual and largely unskilled.
Our customers look forward to us coming regularly and doing a good job but we have to leave them with a feel good factor; We work briskly but do not rush, we earn a wage but are not out to rob anyone. The perception that we are nothing but grand a week wide boys who even have our own internet bragging forum can leave a nasty taste.
A few years ago plumbers were the easy money 'nasties' and before that 'brickies'. In these economic times the tabloids would like nothing more than to splash a £1,500 pw WC across a centre page spread and make us the fast lane playboy scapegoats and new hate figures of the noughties.A window cleaner near me works out of a new top spec merc convertible with an open roof and a trailer, if a journo approached him i bet he'd jump at the chance to look big in front of all his mates. Great, but what about the rest of us?
brace yourself clive ;D
i agree with that entirely ;)
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discount window cleaners.
fair point (constuctive)
nwh
no point
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discount window cleaners.
fair point (constuctive)
nwh
no point
you could learn a lot from me,don`t be silly newbie.
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Every one likes a good media story..... heard the one about the editor flogging double glazing in a supermarket car park....
It doesn't even matter if they are true, it's human nature to want to believe the worst.And don't worry Ewan, the sort of flash, night clubbing, model dating, playboy window cleaner the press would be interested in means you are pretty safe for the time being.
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NWH
NEWBIE !! you really don,t have a clue do you ?
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hi guys just got my dole money today 400 pound for signing a piece of paper ;D
tax free thought id let you know :P
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sorry to butt in mr gray
nwh DOES have a point
a lot of us dont like earnings posts
and i know that being a newbie on here dont mean you ar a new wcer
he is well clued up actually
i wouldnt admit that to him tho
obviously ::)
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If you are earning £250 a day, what did you expect to gain from other peoples earnings?
Don't you know if you are doing well or not?
NWH
NEWBIE !! you really don,t have a clue do you ?
This newbie stuff is rubbish. Some people think cos they are older, been somewhere longer, or have a join date that exceeds someone elses, that they should dictate what can and can't be asked.
Whenever i hear that word, i normally think what an inadequate tosser.
Although i do like most of your posts nwh.
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Only a few weeks ago you were claiming the credit crunch to be a media invention. I and a few others tried to explain the tidal wave that was heading towards our shores. Never in all out economic history has anything hit so suddenly or so profoundly.It barely registered on your radar Ewan, and it's this lack of awareness, this inability to think on your feet that holds you back.Mark Dew must mean you ???
The next lot of people under pressure are small businesses.
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You and the media Discount don’t tell me you will believe what they write about window cleaners.
;) ;D
I doubt it, but it's what the customer believes that could have a negative effect.
Depends on who your customers are, if you have a lot of customers who read and believe what’s in the tabloids you may have some comments but then again they probably not paying that much for there windows in the first place and know it’s not true.
Put it this way who really believes plumbers and brickies are the rich people in our society.
Don’t fools go for Discounts media make believe frenzy hype?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ewan, i don't get you?
You post like a teenager who is in their 1st year of an economcs degree.
They are suddenly alan greenspan wannabes and want the world to know.
The perspective of your posts changes with the wind direction and it isn't disguised by paragraph after paragraph of of repetition.
Do you have a criteria for your potential customers before you take them on?
I am only concerned about the quality of my customers money and that it is forthcoming without any aggro.
I have no interest in what my customers believe or what they do outside of their dealings with me.
It would be arrogant to expect otherwise.
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Obviously being a NEWBIE to an internet forum makes my window cleaning knowledge null and void.
sorry I,ll start again
Please can someone tell me how to clean windows, should i still use leathers or is there a better way ???? preferably mr NWH.
cheers
Ally
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See told you he mean't you Ewan and now you are in a fix because he's pretty much nailed you, but this is where you get the girlfriend to help out because she is quite smart.
Go on then get out of this one...
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Sorry , what is this post about again ? :P
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ewan if you cant see a recession coming then you really are a thick twatt
does not mean you will go bust
but its coming mate
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Am I right in thinking that you have to have two negative quarterly figures before its classed as a recession ? ???
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Am I right in thinking that you have to have two negative quarterly figures before its classed as a recession ? ???
thats one theory
other theories are available ;D
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Nice to see you fighting your corner Mr Thorpe ;D
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hi guys just got my dole money today 400 pound for signing a piece of paper ;D
tax free thought id let you know :P
pon ce
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Hype? Ewan, are you blind? Does your mum do the shopping and pay the bills? I don't know where your head is but it seems buried in the sand.
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I can’t Influence the changes in the economy, but people like Discount and yourself run around like headless chickens talking about doom and gloom.
Are you referring to any of my posts in particular, cos i have no idea what you mean?
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ewan the media dont make house prices fall
they dont make food prices rise
they dont make unemployment rise
etc. etc.
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Obviously being a NEWBIE to an internet forum makes my window cleaning knowledge null and void.
sorry I,ll start again
Please can someone tell me how to clean windows, should i still use leathers or is there a better way ???? preferably mr NWH.
cheers
Ally
Na i`d stick to your chamois and flat cap mate,you aint even in the same town as me let alone street lol. ;D ;D ;D
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Hype? Ewan, are you blind? Does your mum do the shopping and pay the bills? I don't know where your head is but it seems buried in the sand.
It’s not nice being pushed from pillar to post is it, do you think maybe you should take control?
I say that in all sincerity, but you are never going to get anywhere if to many outside pressures influence you from a day to day basis.
I am more than aware of the current headlines are and what condition the economy is in, so what would you like me to do? (By the way I have already done it)
Come now don’t be shy, lets here the answer.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The answer is to face up to facts and not to blame the media for the recession we are in. Your post was implying it was all hype whipped up by the papers and tv when it's pretty obvious prices are rocketing on basics like food and heating bills. House prices are crashing and unemployment is up. If you are the one who pays the bills in the house it all becomes clear. This has nothing to do with hype.
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It has a lot to do with window cleaning, as just about every business is likely to suffer an economic downturn. We are just going to have to go with it and adapt our businesses. I don't think our rising costs can be passed on to the customers completely we may have to adjust our frequency of cleans etc. just to hang on to custom. Discount has a good point in saying how bad for business the media could be if they were to pick up on the posts of the earnings boasters on this forum. Likewise after re-reading Ewans post he has some valid points too.
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what a refreshing poll
under 150 -29 (40.8%)
150-200 -19 (26.8%)
200-250 -6 (8.5%)
250-300 -6 (8.5%)
over 300 -11 (15.5%)
more have kept it real, i think i know why, the poll didnt have the magical 500 quid mark ( which seems to turn even the most honest person into the biggest billy-liar the world had ever seen )
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74 responses to the poll.
Thanks everyone gives me some idea, and of course i fully understand why most don,t want to go into to much detail, but 74 is not bad considering a certain nwh said there would be none.
nwh by the way if you have nothing constuctive to say why post, you obviously miss the whole point by your inarticulate ramblings.
ally
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It seems this post is seriously digressing now but just out of interest i would like to add my weight (well the majority of it) to Ewans argument which does have many sound observations.
Ally
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Pillar to post - now i understand what you mean ::) i apologise for jumping in and not fully understanding some of your comments Ewan.
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yes, negative growth for two quarters, but then there are disagreements on exactly what's a recsssion, when does it become a depression and when do we start calling it a slump.
These last few years a twin or multitrack economy has been confusing things even further. For example house building and house prices may be booming with low inflation, but manufacturing is gloomy, while restaurants and the hospitality industry is busier than ever, but new car registrations are down..... It goes on and on some sectors faring well, others not. The difference with the credit crunch is that it is set to get all of us given time to work it's way through the system.
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My neighbour co owns the largest debt collection agency in the uk and he says business is great, and getting better. So you are right it doesn't affect everybody, and apparently showbiz, chocolate and baked beans all do well in hard times too.
There was a dog sanctuary on the telly, calls to from owners to dump the family pet up from six a week to thirty, and the credit crunch given as the reason.
As you know i've been posting about expanding operations. There should be some well motivated staff about at least, and if I am sensible I think this can still be done. Very often my 'arguing' is me trying to bounce ideas, of course the answers are not always what I want to hear.
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What your saying about being a good time to find reliable staff is so true.
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What your saying about being a good time to find reliable staff is so true.
but when things get tighter, your staff will see how much is getting charged for a house and house much they are making per house, will they be more likely to think " i will have a slice of that " greed and all that
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But at the same time they might just think at least i have a regular job here better make sure i keep it who know`s,it all depends on what type of a person they are.That`s the battle with employing isn`t it finding the right person.
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You would probably make a better boss than i ever would Matt. I've never been in charge of anyone, and if I worked for you probably the least likely person you would promote. However i don't see why that should stand in the way of my making money.
I work too hard and think someone else should do some. Just because i'm probably a poor boss I would pay well and am good at all the other things like getting work at the right price.
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£250 for a days work is very getable.
I think you will only get it by wfp.I was trad for many years and that figure was only getable when someone worked with me for a fullday.
Some see the green eyed monster when you post what you earn and think your bragging, so I will not post what I earn. A freind of mine did earn over £500 in a day on domestic work once, but he was totally drained and it was only done once to see what he could earn, But he normally earns around 240,he only works part time and earns 400 to 500 a week.
If you can earn £40 an hour and do 10 hours a day you will get £400 for a days work. If you only get £10 an hour you would get £100.
But if you only get £100 for a 10 hour day how do you feel about the chap who gets £400.
You have to remmber this job is very hard to do a 40 hour week in winter.So you might think £40 an hours is high, but this is only your gross earnings at best,Take for example where I live we have had rain every day for the last 3 weeks. 3 days this week it rained solid.
Good money is possible at w/cleaning, I am living proof and most of my freinds earn a good whack at it,they justwork less hours then me. So how much do I earn a week?
Mind your own BLOODY BUSINESS ;D ;D ;D
Neil
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Anybody who doesn’t need credit or need to refinance will not be touched technically and it will be just a case of business as usual, but in a different economic climate.
As long as you take that in consideration, most will get over the downturn.
Aha, common ground i think. ;D
Ewan, you have described the typical customer for a window cleaner.
However i don't think we as wc will be too affected cos we have too many separate jobs to make losing one a catastrophe.
It is true that we will get over whatever is coming.
For some of our customers that might not be the case. Will that affect us? I doubt it. ;D
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haya. I have been looking at this thread with some interest , I dont think anybody wants to know anybodys earnings but what to charge for different propertys, would be a real help, just to be given an approx idea of what to charge for a semi or detached would be a real help to us newbs , thanks.. :) :)
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Im actually feeling happy about the slump in house prices as it means none of you guys can sell your propertys and move down south as id have no work.
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I lost four customers last week and had two leave them this times. Three had moved without telling me, one was a repossession. I did pick up two new ones, so it's not all doom and gloom, but they haven't had their increased fuel bills in yet either.
When you lose more than you are taking on its a sure sign all is not well, I can't recall that happening before, it may be only a blip, the next few months will tell.
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another totally pointless poll
what we earn should stay between you, your other half, your bank manager and accountant
NOT FORGETTING the dreaded taxman