Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tommo69 on August 29, 2008, 04:40:01 pm
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery reliable traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;Dso if anyone out there in the lancashire area wanting to give away all the wfp clients they have lost think im on to my first million ;D
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Couldnt agree more mate ;D
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Chirpy is that a little bit like dim,bit strong for a newbie.
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;D
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Do you think that a Gardener is going to charge less now that he has a motorised lawnmower where he can sit on?
Or that a farmer is going to charge less because he's got a tractor now instead of a horse?
Do you think a Hairdresser is going to charge less because he's got some fancy clippers all of the sudden?
C'mon, I've had enough of these silly laddermen, grow with the times seriously.
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery chirpy traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;D
Same old same old
All been said before sunshine ??? :(
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery chirpy traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;D
Same old same old
All been said before sunshine ??? :(
Ahh, that made me giggle.
;D ;D ;D
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Everyone on here secretly knows trad is far superior to wfp , end of argument ;D
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Everyone on here secretly knows wfp is far superior to trad , end of argument ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Everyone on here secretly knows trad is far superior to wfp , end of argument ;D
Dream on monkey boy. ::) ::)
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wig on a stick ;D,i hope this guy sticks around he`s such a comedian ;D oh i laughed at his little story ;D ;D ;D
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery reliable traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;Dso if anyone out there in the lancashire area wanting to give away all the wfp clients they have lost think im on to my first million ;D
Funny you should say all these things mr Newbie poster, But where I live trad cleaners are like relics and couldnt lift a pole if they tried. All my customers have had trads at one stage in there life and they have all commented on how clean there glass, frames and ledges are with wfp especially the customers with leaded windows. So imo trad cleaners over the next decade will be a thing of the past just like the bt telephone box will over mobiles.
Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills
No looking for water to fill up the bucket
No Frames cleaned every time
No wiping dry
No ladder knee
Make more money "lots more"
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
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Sounds like sour grapes to me!! ;D
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery reliable traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;Dso if anyone out there in the lancashire area wanting to give away all the wfp clients they have lost think im on to my first million ;D
your seriously deluded, "cheery", "reliable" and deluded ???
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I dont charge any different from when i was trad apart from the yearly price rise its just i am now quicker and can do more over a day and work more days thats why generally wfp window cleaners earn more
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
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I couldn't beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! Although i'd need too!!! :P
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont charge any different from when i was trad apart from the yearly price rise its just i am now quicker and can do more over a day and work more days thats why generally wfp window cleaners earn more
fair coment
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
I thought that was your day job,soon when people see you with your ladder they`ll think your a ghost.
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where is your evidence of 500 aday.
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
I thought that was your day job,soon when people see you with your ladder they`ll think your a ghost.
Not me mate Ive just sold my work ! Im off off to Madrid next week . . . . oh happy days . . . . everybody . . . .
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
youve been watching this video to much www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sWR1hdhAj4
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why? because we're better than you...pretty simple to be fair
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
youve been watching this video to much www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sWR1hdhAj4
Classic video that LOL
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The only advantage of Trad is the slim chance of catching some hottie getting out of the shower!!
There are no advantages of any significance of trad over wfp - done them both for long enough to know that.
Tommo if you were to actually spend an hour or less with an experienced wfp-pro then you would see this too, and as for ripping people off - if they agree to a price then its not ripping someone off, I have a job that takes 2 of us 30mins to do - its £140 a time,am I ripping someone off? NO - it was the same price when we were trad and thats about 5 years ago, so they are getting a better job, done safer, less inconvenience to the customer and for comparably less than 5 years ago when I was a trad cleaner.
Simon - working the night shift? Not making enough are we?
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The sad yet predictable facts about simon123 and Tommo69 are that in a few short weeks of coming on the site they will both have their heads turned by a whiff of the wfp gravy and be worrying themselves sick that they haven't got the latest brush and
can't slam dunk ludicrous and obscene amounts of money like some of our high end grafters.
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Are we growing our own trolls now?
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glad to see you got paid
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glad to see you got paid
Thanks mate , it was hard work though , so many time wasters ! ::)
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Not me mate Ive just sold my work ! Im off off to Madrid next week . . . . oh happy days . . . . everybody . . . .
thought you were off out roundbuilding lol
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Not me mate Ive just sold my work ! Im off off to Madrid next week . . . . oh happy days . . . . everybody . . . .
thought you were off out roundbuilding lol
Just say the word Gaz ;D
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It will all come to an end anyway, the more competition (wfp) grows the lower the rates will become, undercutting will be a serious reality & all the top chargers will have no choice but to move (downwards) with the times or go under! Enjoy while you can, as a good enough wfp set up can be had for less than 1k these days & such a man will have far less overheads than any big-boy, high earner out there. Plus, with the credit crunch & it's knock-on effect predicted to last up to 10 years, PRICE has the serious possibility of becoming EVERYTHING! With the information contained on this forum about peoples earnings & their location etc. Anyone with any sense could target an area, make a good living & cause a serious turn-around in any "top earners" w/c'ing round!
e.g.
A certain member of this forum, of which his username gives away his location, has, over the last couple of years revealed far too much personal info (probably unintentional). earnings, purchases/expenses, value of home, cost & description of vehicles etc. BUT, armed with this info, any clued up person could easily target this area of work & easily under-cut the price & still make a good living! It doesn't cost to be & look professional!
Food for thought! ;)
Tony
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Is he in the east of scotland.
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Is he in the east of scotland.
NO
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obviously not a very good businessman, need i say anymore
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Has anyone on here thought about going on Dragons den ?
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obviously not a very good businessman, need i say anymore
AND there are more than one! boast one day, regret it the next ;D after all business is business ;)
Tony
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obviously not a very good businessman, need i say anymore
AND there are more than one! boast one day, regret it the next ;D after all business is business ;)
TonyWhat is the guys name in the sopranos series ?
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I like this guessing game, who is he the rat bag?
Can't be anyway near me and my secondhand van(which nwh also says is very scruffy) with an xtel pole. These bigheads deserve everything the get.
Wales is supposed to be very affluent, and of course London. In my area prices are very low.
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obviously not a very good businessman, need i say anymore
AND there are more than one! boast one day, regret it the next ;D after all business is business ;)
TonyWhat is the guys name in the sopranos series ?
Don't know, me personaly, i'm far too simple to follow such a complex series of short motion pictures. MOTION PICTURES? that's where the term MP3 comes from (mpeg3), it stands for - motion picture experts group- audio layer three! a compressed audio format.
Tony
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Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills
No looking for water to fill up the bucket
No Frames cleaned every time
No wiping dry
No ladder knee
Make more money "lots more"
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
What about dry, finished (in the customers eyes) windows?
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Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills
No looking for water to fill up the bucket
No Frames cleaned every time
No wiping dry
No ladder knee
Make more money "lots more"
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
What about dry, finished (in the customers eyes) windows?
Easy: HOT wfp ;)
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i was surpised the other day, saw a hot wfp
he wiped his door and window with micro fibre, rinsed with hot and it was dry in seconds and extremly clean
i can see why you guys say how much better ad quicker it is
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Sounds good, but don't forget hot water freezes much quicker in the winter.
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i wonder why a trad window cleaner earned around 200 a day .now he has a wig on a stick he wants to earn 500 in half a day .i appreciate that the van and equipment is expensive but why rip off the people who pay your wages .and what about your heavy handed canvassing approach .PLEASE SIGN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWELVE MONTH ,does not matter how hard you try they will always come back to there cheery reliable traditional window cleaner ,so all you water fed pole window cleaners feel free to reply ;Dso if anyone out there in the lancashire area wanting to give away all the wfp clients they have lost think im on to my first million ;D
You know how to put the cat amongst the pigeons ;D
If there is WFP cleaners out there asking people to sign up then I agree with you....
I do not see this trad window cleaner against WFP.... Trad is an excellent tool and yes there are benefits over WFP .. But WFP is also a tool and has benefits over Trad
I use them both and both do the job well..
One last think, I do honestly think WFP is the future keep an open mind and you never know you might look at your round and think about WFP on some of your work... Remember that a lot of us was trad only but went to WFP
all the best ;)
Adders Rinse and Clean
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Leave Tony alone he`s alright,he just gets a bit humpy when his Mrs kicks him down the other end of the room that`s when he comes on here with the raving ump lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I thought it a good point, was he talking about you NWH?
and I don't know what commercial in confidence means either ewan, is it another tax dodgeing scam?
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Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills
No looking for water to fill up the bucket
No Frames cleaned every time
No wiping dry
No ladder knee
Make more money "lots more"
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
I would not say that Trad has NO advantages ::)
WFP can only clean certain windows where trad can clean all, Also for simplisity trad wins hands down, then there is inside work
So yes WFP is excellent but Trad has got its good points ;D
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I can do pretty much any window with wfp, only if they are in the worst condition then the finish isn't as good.
You try doing windows over porches trad, or set back dormers, or second, third, heck 5th floor. Wfp can do a lot more windows then trad. Trad can do all? I don't think so. ;) ;)
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Sounds good, but don't forget hot water freezes much quicker in the winter.
iv heard isopropyl does a very good job...and it stops the water from freezing, a\nd unlike a gadjet it cant break down ;)
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What I don't understand is why some trad cleaners get so angry about WFP. If its as rubbish as they go to great lengths to point out so what?
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I think trad and wfp are both good methods to have at your fingertips , after all some jobs are suited to one or the other sometimes ;D
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Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills------------------------------------- use ladder mittons
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders-- carry a piece of wood
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills------always wipe down
No looking for water to fill up the bucket----------lazy fooker
No Frames cleaned every time-----------------------frames extra
No wiping dry-------------------------------------------i always dry the zills for a first class job
No ladder knee-----------------------------------------fit as a butchers dog me
Make more money "lots more"----------------------i make enough money
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
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i do both ways and have to say i like doing both ways.
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Advantages of WFP:
No damage to sills------------------------------------- use ladder mittons
No damage to lawns/flowerbeds with ladders-- carry a piece of wood
No fairy washing up liquid stains left on sills------always wipe down
No looking for water to fill up the bucket----------lazy fooker
No Frames cleaned every time-----------------------frames extra
No wiping dry-------------------------------------------i always dry the zills for a first class job
No ladder knee-----------------------------------------fit as a butchers dog me
Make more money "lots more"----------------------i make enough money
shall I go on.......
Advantages of trad:
NONE imo
;D ;D ;D
I have missed you bumper
So you like Trad then :D
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i really don,t understand why you trad guys are so green with envy , i suppose it hits you everytime you get back in your beaten up motor and for the umpteeth time it won,t start lol
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Trad can do all? I don't think so. ;) ;)
Sorry Tim I did not explain it well, What I meant was this...
WFP can only do a good job if the frames are good, you said so yourself that you had a job and its got bad frames the finish is not that good :'( But trad can clean all windows if you can get to it , As for this cleaning 5th storys,what about 44th floor and so on. you need to absail down and use trad tools. So if you can get to a window trad can clean it
Good point about window above conserv that is one of WFP strengths ;)
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BUMPER
A piece of wood :o You have got to be joking.
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Why oh why :-\
Everyone on here secretly knows trad is far superior to wfp , end of argument ;D
I think I'll take a little 'forum holiday' until the trolls move on...I move into my new house on Monday so decorating will be the name of the game....
See you all in a while...happy holidays...
Cheers
Dave.
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at the end of the day trad and wfp both do an excellent job if used correctly, if you dont use your equipment right you will get bad results
agreed wfp isnt suitable for very window but it has more advantages than trad and also is much safer, i think the money part only comes down to how you work is priced
a lot more customers seem to prefere trad its because of what theyve been used to and the big factor i think is the dry finish but youve got to be a good trad cleaner to get good results.
use what methord which is suitable for your work, job done! 8) ;)
Brett.
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
Its TESCO, not tescos, there is no s in there name ;D
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Everyone on here secretly knows trad is far superior to wfp , end of argument ;D
Evryone who convinces themselves because their either too scared to learn a new method, or cant afford to switch!!
Otherwise i think its accepted that wfp is the future overall. So stop being a luddite and grow with the times. These posts make me wanna kick someone off a ladder :)
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
Its TESCO, not tescos, there is no s in there name ;D
Yes, but that's what most people call it smartarse. ::)
I bet you say "Sainsburys" , but it's actually J.Sainsbury.
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As for this cleaning 5th storys,what about 44th floor and so on. you need to absail down and use trad tools. So if you can get to a window trad can clean it
On some buildings yes, I just landed a job with 8 stories and all can be done with wfp.
All the windows swivell round, im using trolley system to clean from the 5th floor up, and van mounted 4th floor down I turn & clean the window 90 degrees from inside to face out of the building. And before any wise cracks about water dropping on peoples heads, there is no paths or pedestrian below this building.
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
Rubbish, domestic maybe but commercial no way. I have picked up £8000 (per year) of new commercial work in the last 3 months, if I was still trad I would of got none of these jobs why? Because the people were looking for a wfp w/c. They want the easy option regarding H&S.
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I wasn't talking about commercial.
I never get any of that anyway, apart from pubs and shops.
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
If your using wfp properly, you should be finishing work quicker than with trad and hence have the oppurtunity to fit more work in each week, at least half a day more, and wy would you pick up less by being wfp.....need to get off ones butt and do some canvassing if you got no work coming in, no point complaining.
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Ok ignoring commercial, (although if you want some help getting some email me I'm not far away from you - dont mind helping!) you should be able to get more work wfp than trad as there are more properties that can be cleaned wfp than trad. Go find the ones with conservatories, 3 storey townhouses etc. These are all customers that have trouble finding a w/c that can do all the windows. Target these and you will see you sales rate increase. You have the tools so take full advantage of them.
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
If your using wfp properly, you should be finishing work quicker than with trad and hence have the oppurtunity to fit more work in each week, at least half a day more, and wy would you pick up less by being wfp.....need to get off ones butt and do some canvassing if you got no work coming in, no point complaining.
I'm not complaining you offensive turd. ::)
Why would you pick up less?
Because customers prefer the finished look of trad and wfp hasn't got a great reputation around here.
Yes I can fit more in now, but that doesn't mean I have to go around like a desperate salesman trying to get more. ::)
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Cheers WCE. ;)
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I wasn't talking about commercial.
I never get any of that anyway, apart from pubs and shops.
Sounds like it to me, and who is being offensive
I'm not complaining you "offensive turd". Roll Eyes
General statements like "i get miles less work doing wfp" sound defeatist and moany to me, like wce says who you just thanked, go target some properties that would benefit from wfp, and no it isnt "desperate salesman"like, thats just your defeatist moaning again,
Turd
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It's a genuine offer. I just want you to see the doors wfp can open. My emails in my profile.
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Also If you didn't mind coming to gloucester might have some sub contract work coming up. Interested?
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Well, theres a decent offer Rog, only a small stretch of scenic coast between you and some commercial work.
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i really don,t understand why you trad guys are so green with envy , i suppose it hits you everytime you get back in your beaten up motor and for the umpteeth time it won,t start lol
why green with envy ?????
i dont sit on ere knocking waterfed / i fink its a good tool as im investing in one myself... but i go back to my brand new van mate not a battered old car like you say. ive earnt my crust over the years pal...TRAD :P
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Also If you didn't mind coming to gloucester might have some sub contract work coming up. Interested?
I was going to ask the very same.
Quite fancy a trip out further afield.
It would have to pay at least as good as my usual day though to be worth the trip.
It's not that I haven't got work to do, just wouldn't mind a change.
I'll mail you later this afternoon.
Cheers.
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No problem, Duke is down here too (think you know him) I'll ask him if he has anything going as well. I will also target work in your area if you want. I am willing to show you how I do it. I look forward to your email!
How high do you go?
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
If your using wfp properly, you should be finishing work quicker than with trad and hence have the oppurtunity to fit more work in each week, at least half a day more, and wy would you pick up less by being wfp.....need to get off ones butt and do some canvassing if you got no work coming in, no point complaining.
Ive just sold a quality round mate , so I will be doing plenty of sitting on my backside in spain ! What do you have planned for next week ?
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Thats a lot of travelling to tesco!
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Every little helps ;D
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
If your using wfp properly, you should be finishing work quicker than with trad and hence have the oppurtunity to fit more work in each week, at least half a day more, and wy would you pick up less by being wfp.....need to get off ones butt and do some canvassing if you got no work coming in, no point complaining.
Ive just sold a quality round mate , so I will be doing plenty of sitting on my backside in spain ! What do you have planned for next week ?
workin pal, ive been off the last 2 week:)
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and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!
Why not go wfp and pick up enough work to not have to work with the shelf stackers...
You can do more work, but you don't pick up more work because of wfp, that's rubbish.
I pick up less work than when I was trad, by a mile.
If your using wfp properly, you should be finishing work quicker than with trad and hence have the oppurtunity to fit more work in each week, at least half a day more, and wy would you pick up less by being wfp.....need to get off ones butt and do some canvassing if you got no work coming in, no point complaining.
Ive just sold a quality round mate , so I will be doing plenty of sitting on my backside in spain ! What do you have planned for next week ?
workin pal, ive been off the last 2 week:)
Anywhere nice ?
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was in anglesey last few days, was supposed to go turkey for 2 weeks tommorow but my sis and bro-in law are going instead as my wife is pregnant and cant go....but when and where people go on hol means nothing to me mate, spain is cheap as chips anyway...ive got customers who are on the dole and go spain every 3 month...most of the resorts there are full of the chavs:)
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WCE, you have mail.
Sorry for the delay.
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I could beat you wfp pansies for price and speed , and still have enough energy left at the end of the day to do a night shift at the local tescos !!! :P
;D No way you would be quicker.I do wfp and trad wfp wins every time.