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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richie on August 19, 2008, 09:46:46 pm
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This evening i was helping a fellow CC who has purchased a Scorpion (he also runs a TM).
Upon seeing the machine it is quite ugly and looks cheap however, as the saying goes "never judge a book by its cover". It actually performs very well when you take into considoration that its powered by electricity. It has plenty of vac & the water flow/PSI is also good. The machine is quite loud overall. I was shocked at how loud the water pump is and how it vibrates through the whole machine. I do like the way that you can look at the machine and see how much water is in the fresh/waste tanks. Since the Scorpion first hit the UK i have read so many comments regarding its POWER. Many have said that it gives TM vac performance. Let me set the record straight (my opinion).....Yes the Scorpion does have good vac power but it is not as good as a entry level TM vac (HM Spitfire 3.2). We were running 50 feet of 2 inch vac hose. You could however hear the vac pulling through the wand better than ive known other portys. As we all know, the Scorpion has no heater which is a shame as i think it would greatly benefit from one. The guy i was with today also bought the Mighty One Spotting machine that can also be used as a vac booster. We didnt use it today although he said he did use it on his PC Cub XL the other day and it made a fair bit of improvement to the vac power.
Richie.
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Could of spent the extra money on decent truckmount ;)
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I read this somewhere can't think where ::)
What I have never understood about people prepared to part with that much money for what is basically a plastic bucket with some motors attached is why they think it comes even close to Truck Mount performance, Truck Mount looks and Truck Mount prestige. It's a portable machine for gods sake.
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TAXI FOR RICHIE
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He bought the Scorpion as he does alot of work that he cant/wont use the TM on.
Hi Daddy Dave,
mmmmmm i wonder where you read that post ::) LOL
Richie.
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I know Rich at my age I tend to read any old rubbish.
I have only ever seen 2 Scorpions in my life and both were not worth the money :'(
Sorry you guy's who own one but unless you have used a proper T/M you can't compare, as said earlier they are and always will be a PORTABLE MACHINE the clue is in the 'P' and bloody expensive at that!
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i agree Dave, the cost of the Scorpion is too high and will never compare to a TM unless the TM is a tired worn out one.
Richie.
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Hello Dave I hope you are well. After going through different portis and TM's the 1st really cleaning machine I had was built by D Ingram, it introduced me to cleaner drier carpet cleaning, the end results being far better and alot more recommendations.
I'm on my 5th TM (well if you can count the 2 banes) I personally know that you need all of the cleaning pie if you are striving for perfection.
Shaun
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If you read the sales blurb, the Scorpion isn't marketed as a contender to truckmounts at all! It's sold on the strength that it has a shed-load more airflow than any other portable.
I'd presume that the reason its pump is so noisy is because it's a 500psi monster (the latest model, anyway, which I presume is the one in question). That's quite a lot different from a lot of other portable machines.
If you think about it for a minute, there's probably some very good reasons why the machine in general is so noisy. Firstly it has one more vacuum motor than most portables. They're configured in parallel aren't they? I think it has separate exhaust ports so as not to restrict the airflow on the way out of the machine, to get every last cfm out of it as possible.
Yes it's ugly, no s**t! But who cares? a Kohler petrol engine isn't exactly a work of art :)
Customers don't inspect your machine, they look at the item you've been cleaning.
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Jim I'd beg to differ that customers don't inspect the machine, I saw a niche in my marketing to make sure I show it to them and they love it (well may not love) but they do ask for the big machine and do tell their friends.
Shaun
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Jim, Size does matter!
You ask any women ;D
Anyway back to the job in hand!
When the Scorpion hit the street running it was sold as an alternative to the petrol T/M it even had on board tanks ( Speak to uncle Ken Wainright) he bought the bloody cumbersum things and when he fitted them in his van there was no room left for any thing else.
No I'm sticking with its a lot of hard earnt money for a portable with an extra vac motor!
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I totally get where you're coming from Shaun. The difference is that you've got a showpiece and you show it to them as part of your routine. They don't "inspect" it.
I've never once before been asked by a potential customer to show them what machinery I carry around in the van! I'm sure others would say the same?
What I meant was that if you have already won a client and turn up to clean for them, they're not going to look at a Scorpion and say "EWWW! Get that horrible thing away from me, take your machine and do one"
Are they?
We're talking about slightly different things I think ;)
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Dave you may well be right, however I don't know how the Scorpion was originally marketed. I'm working with current information.
P.S. I believe Uncle Ken now has the tanks on a rack
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That's a bit harsh!
Shaun
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Hi Jim,
If your post was in reply to my original one then let me clear up a few things;
1, I never stated that the Scorpion is marketed as a contender to truckmounts. I stated that many Scorpion owners say its as good as a TM.
2, I know of other portys that have similar water pumps to TMS yet they are knowhere as near that loud.
3, Yes the Scorpion does have 3 vac outlet ports and so. I wasnt knocking it for the noise...simply said it was loud.
4, I did say it looked ugly & cheap in original post but also stated "never judge a book by its cover"
5, Over the years i have had 100's of customers wanting to look at the machine im using. I have found that they like to see a clean NICE well presented machine, other equipment & van.
All in all i think that in my original post i actually praised the Scorpion.
Richie.
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Don't tell Nick :D
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Yes on a rack in his Garage more like collecting dust!
Sorry Jim its just that I think this machine has had a lot of hype and a pair of Ashby's twin vac machines with 2" pipe would do the same job at half the price!
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I wasn't picking you to bits Richie, just discussing the subject matter :)
I think that a lot of customers will make comments on machinery when they see it. I've lost count of the number who've said something like "Wow that looks a serious piece of kit" when they see my Ninja.
I don't think that a Ninja looks like a serious piece of kit at all, I think it looks like a piece of plastic on wheels with a wire sticking out the back.
If someone rolled up to a carpet cleaning job with a George I'd laugh at them.
If I pulled up at a big commercial job and saw a HM Titan chugging away I'd probably have to go and change my boxer shorts.
It's all relative.
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Funny you should say that Dave, I've been using 2 ninjas hooked up in parallel on a school job this week.
It's a pain in the bloody chuff but you do get pretty good vac performance for 2 plastic buckets :)
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Actually Dave....thinking about it i do remember it being marketed as a porty that will perform as a entry level TM.
Richie.
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Now I Know I've been in this game to long when folk's start agreeing with me :-[
Jim,
Try some 2" hose on your machine you'll be amased how the air flow increases and the vac motors last longer!
If you have been reading the the other board the one on the dart side T/M's you will have read they are now useing 4 to the door i.e 2 X 2" hoses from the machine to a splitter and down to 1 X 2" hose to the tool.
With your machines you could use 2X 1 1/2" hose to a splitter and then 2" to the tool
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There use to be a Guy on here a while back that use to use a Ninja off his van with on board tanks, not sure if it was one or 2 he had in seriers but he use to rave about the results he use to get. Can anyone remember who he was? His van was a half ton Hijet
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Wasn't it Cleaning co then became a chap in Norfolk after getting harassed by real truckmounters?
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Yes that be the one mike, what ever happened to him
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He tried to sell all his stuff and was off to Spain but it fell thru. Stuff came up again a few months ago.
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Dave - I'll try the 2" hose on it as soon as I get some with a truckmount! :D
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Paul Wright is the guy who very successfully ran a ninja and a rhino, or similar in parallel . He's still around
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They all seem expensive to me - for 2 (or 3) vac motors, pump, heater (or not), some wiring, all wrapped in a "plastic" shell, some looking slightly better then others.
Yes I know that is very simplistic and R&D costs have to be factored etc.
As to costs - is the Scorpion (£2450 exc hose/wand) anymore expensive then others in its field?
Just been to Hydramaster site - here is a copy/paste...........
Offers maximum “truckmount” like performance with its internal heating system and dual 3-stage vacuums. With adjustable pressure up to 300 psi, this two cord machine combines portability with performance.
..... and that Raptor 230H is priced at £2595 (doesnt say if hose/wand included).
From Ashbys site...........
NINJA (PC1001) with -
Heavy Duty 3 Stage Vacuum System (PC5866) -
1 x 3 stage heavy duty vac motor plus 1 x 3 stage standard vac motor -
(230 inch of water lift / 17 inch of mercury lift).
400 psi Induction Motor pump with Pressure Gauge plus Flow & Pressure Control (PC5372) – Top performance for the fastest, most thorough clean. Heavy duty non-maintenance motor.
Built-in 3 Kw immersion heater with Low Level Safety Cut-Off (PC2007) - 0-60ºC.
No tools / hoses included - choose any tools and hoses required from left hand menu.
............... that price is £1950 (no hose/no wand), and they say its good even with 400' hoses.
Grace HP 5022 (Craftex)
400psi, 2 3-stage vacs. hose/wand/handtool inc £2495
New Alltec Advance
600psi, 2 3-stage vacs with heater and inc wand/hoses £2350
Its all a lot of money, but then its all relative cause the budget end of TM (say the Prowler) is £5650 (inc hose/wand)
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You get 50ft of vac and solution hose and wand with the Raptor its great porty when its working.
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Surely it must be possible to put together a powerful, compact, van mounted unit for much less than the U K retail prices ?
To my mind, the Prowler is the closest to the ideal I'm referring to, but a bit underpowered for some, or so they say.
Why does a blower produce more lift than a vacuum, is there a delelopment opportunity for the technically gifted?
I believe Dave Ingram made good progress, can more be done with funding ?
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I truly thank everyone who has responsibly commented, and even to those who have commented on their initial "impression" of a different kind of machine that has impressed their purchasers/Operators and especially their customers with the results with which they could only have dreamed about. I also understand that several kind individuals have Petrol TM's and are very proud of them.
Personally speaking, (I started off as a Professional Cleaner myself and as we grew demanded and required certain performance levels)my goal when we started business in 1972, was to innovate and to provide efficiency. And those two elements are what made us most successful then, as well as the thousands of Operators around the world, now.
The truth of the matter is simple: after the initial hello's, small talk, and hand shakes, RESULTS are the only thing that will matter and determine whether or not one keeps the customer and continues to builds the business. And it also determines whether there ever will be a tomorrow.
In Hollywood, there are alot of beautiful looking actors ;however, many times once you look at what's under the hood, there's not much substance there. Likewise, I know of a few who are very contrary to this, and therefore, those are the Movies that are always unique , talked about, and really deliver RESULTS. PERFORMANCE.
Lets be very honest here though when it comes to cosmetics and "our" opinion of such. It's what you have been accustomed to and since most products in every Industry "sort-of" looks like everyone elses, that is easy to understand. However, to say that something looks; "Ugly" is a term I normally would never use and IMHO is a pretty harsh statement and seems more of a jab than anything else.
Not everyone likes Tea and Crumpets; or Ford or a Chevy. Not everyone likes to wear sandels with high black socks either! And, we could all agree that there are many very good Petro TM's out there that really don't have the cosmetic appeal either---but they perform.
We have had said manytimes in conversations/e-mails that the SCORPION-3 looked good by the Operator, and even complimented by their customer(s), And, yes, we have had a few state that they did not care for the design. However, these particular individuals never purchased the machine and gave it a chance over the long haul to perform or impress them with RESULTS in different situations. These people have only chosen their words by looks.
Yes, I believe that whenever anything looks different (designed to be INDUSTRIAL for good reason) than what most are accustomed to in a generic sense, that the initial impression may be negative by human nature-----by the Operator who makes this generic comparison; NOT the customer who instead, only sees and cares about RESULTS. However, I must admit that we are extremely pleased by the performance and testimonials of the the Operators-------many who compare it to their TM's and these are individuals of high character and experience. (BTW, this does not mean that it is as powerful as their TM's however, it indicates that it cleans as well in terms of customer satisfaction, etc..)
I can also state honestly, that many of our competitors--world wide---have taken off on many, many of our innovations in the past by cloning them. And, that's just the way it is. But it also demonstrates a good reason why.
There are engineers who ride in the front of the train; while others ride in the caboose.
But, Gentlemen, I have learned several things that may also relate to your end as well, and I will state it below only because it should be ---extremely---important to each and everyone of us:
"Years of Field testing "----is certainly the key and major ingredient of customer satisfaction because the machine will perform well above the generics. In regards to noise levels, I can't see how it is more noisey other than the fact that it IS MORE powerful. However, we are one of the only ones who uses alot of exhaust duct work which not only helps keep the system cooler, it also quiets it down. We also have inexpensive mufflers available btw.
Gentlemen, most every machine built out there will work when you flip the switch. Some better than others. And then there are those perhaps, that will perform much beyond your expectations and save you alot of sweat to. Remember there's more to the comfort of a great pair of shoes than just the cheap polish!
"beauty is more than skin deep to!" 8)
I sincerely Thank you all; :)
The very best;
ED Valentine
cross-american corp.
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Hello Ed, always have enjoyed your posts and I am not the best person to reply to this.
When I first joined this forum the machine that was most talked about for shear performance was the Recoil, it was at least twice as powerful as anything on the market, but I still remember my disappointment at actually seeing one.
I will admit I am shallow, and a lot of people are whether they are aware of it or not, our customers are too. They judge us on what we look like when we turn up, they judge our accents, our vans and equipment because as we are strangers they don't have anything else to go on.
Obviously the last piece in the jigsaw and the last thing the customer actually sees is our machine, they don't know one machine from the other but we as carpet cleaners have to feel good about what we are using and many people on here are very proud of their machines, some have posted photos, they care and love them like part of the family ;).
I am in the market for a new machine ( again ) and looking at Joe's post one leaps out for price, spec, and for me looks. If I have the spare money I will go for the petrol portable, again because it looks so good.
I choose my carpet cleaning machines like I choose my woman I'm afraid, if it looks really good and performs ok then that will do, far better than an ugly one, after all you have to spend hours a day looking at it ( will also admit that every relationship I have ever had has failed, so perhaps it is my thinking that is wrong :-\)
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Garryj
So taking it you like the prowler then?
Me too
Like the idea of it being portable when and if you caint get complete access.
As joe posted there arnt really that much dif in spec and the one that looks dif to me is the alltec with its design and colours..
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Yes, I love the look of it. Can you remember when someone bought one ( Steve Gunn I think ) and posted a pic and the reply was it looked like something from Bob The Builder ;D ? That was funny because we could all see it was one hell of a good looking machine.
Shaun Ashmores recent photo = WOW, what a gorgeous bit of kit ( the machine, not him :P).
I have owned a Alltec Pro Plus, nice looking machine but it is a bit 80s, but that's ok because so I'm I :-X.
I'm sorry if Ed feels the term ugly is a jab, it isn't, it just is.
For me looks are important, does anyone know when the Scorpion/ Recoil was designed? Looking at machines around now we could all take an educated guess into when they were first designed and what the designer had on when he first drew it, and probably take a wild stab at what car he was driving at the time :)
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I think Ed could tell us when it was designed ;)
As for comparing a good looking woman to a carpet cleaning machine.....
I know many good looking women who cant cook very well, cant sew very well, cant hold a conversation very well etc etc.....as Ed said "beauty is more then skin deep".
Beneath the "wraps" of the Scorpion is a very capable machine............. and none of my customers have knocked its looks, just praised its cleaning ability.
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I can't believe peole buy portables for this amount when you can get such as a HM Spitfire 3.2 with waste tank, hoses and a wand Fitted for about £6 - 7 K.
This is a proper Truckmount and not something parading as one.
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I think Ed could tell us when it was designed ;)
As for comparing a good looking woman to a carpet cleaning machine.....
I know many good looking women who cant cook very well, cant sew very well, cant hold a conversation very well etc etc.....as Ed said "beauty is more then skin deep".
Beneath the "wraps" of the Scorpion is a very capable machine............. and none of my customers have knocked its looks, just praised its cleaning ability.
Exactly Joe, but unfortunately most blokes go for looks over substance. My latest girlfriend is not around for her cooking, and I don't think she is with me for my intelligent conversation and wit :-\.
It s a fact that people go for packaging, that is why so many people try to get their websites looking good.
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After seeing & using the Scorpion yesterday my thoughts were.....Ugly looking machine but is high powered for a electric machine. I didnt get chance to have a good look inside it but the fact that it has 3 vac exhausts tells me that alot of thought went into the design. Looks are a BIG factor in most things therefore i think its a shame that LOOKS design didnt come into the outer shell of the machine.
Personally i would not pay £2000 - £4000 for a electric machine. I would sooner buy a petrol/diesel/LPG TM. Many cleaners have had the chance to buy a TM but have opted for a porty, that is their choice. People buy equipment in ANY trade that suits them & there business, mostly the tools/equipment they buy is just what they wanted. My friend that bought his Scorpion recently required a high performance porty for certain premises he cleans & that is what he got. For him the Scorpion will be a good asset. The Scorpion has taken the place of his Eclipse 500psi porty.
Richie.
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I Had a discussion a few months ago with a fellow c/c who would not hear a thing against the scorpion,
he had been brainwashed, he didnt even have one........ although at the time he did tell me he had bought one of ebay ;D
His argument was it out performs any truckmount ;D ;D ;D I am been serious here he was convinced of it, I mentioned no heat...... his reply you dont need heat , but you can buy a heater for it and a vac booster if you want.
Now I know this guy had been using an altec, and I believe was about to buy a scorpion. I wonder why I asked myself was he so convinced of the capabilities of the scorpion against a t/m .
Well the franchise he was with had just done a deal with , I wonder who ;) !!!!
No wonder!!
Joe, I sometimes wonder if you have fallen for the same speel ;) No I,m not knocking the scorpion for its performance, but the build and price , Yes I am , I even know a c/c who bought one used a couple of times and now gathering dust in his garage, returned to his Ninja
As for the noise, well a cfr had 500psi and that certainly aint noisy :P
Geoff
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I recently purchased a recoil, same spec as scorpion except just a 300 psi pump.
Is it noisy..... yes (customers say "that must be powerfull")
Is the pump noisy.....yes (same as the one in my 500psi cfr)
Is it ugly.......YES (but i use it for work, dont damn it)
Is it a big tool to use......up against a trucmounters tool No,(having a big tool is ok if you know what your doing with it...Ask any woman) :-X
Will it out perform a truckmount...... No, but i can add my booster vac and upgrade the pump and have a bit more power
Would i buy 2 ninja's and hook them together and upgrade to 2 " hose...... why spend twice as much
Would i buy a truckmount......Yes... unfortunately population of my area is 24 per Km2 the lowest in country
in hindsight i got the best machine (porty) available.. cost me £900 got hoses lance and a booster with it for that money and inline heater
Andrew
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Thanks, Andrew, for your post and mention of your purchase. I hope it will do everything you intend it to do to your advantage.
However, allow me to please mention and clarify that the SCORPION-XPS system differs like nite and day to the older Model RECOILS of the past. Just about----everything------under the hood is of different design and up-graded componetry & wiring.
BTW, for the Gentleman who may have suggested (??) or asked what I might drive? Well, unfortunately I must be behind the times here because I do not ride in a horse and buggy carriage as your QUEEN does.................rather my ride is not the "best style" or best looking car as I have been told, but it is one heck of a quality built and excellant riding automobile.
Oh,.................................it's a BMW.
Thanks to all, BTW, for the long thread and subject. As I understand, took a nice sale because of it! Think we'll hire Richie or a couple others above as our European Sales manager! My sincere Thanks again, Richie. You are a good person and professional. (Great pay ,company car & expenses included)
The very best;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.
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I second Andrews comments and have run a Recoil for 4 years far and away the best Porty i have ever owned.
Got the happy custys to prove it ;)
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The way I see it A&M Watford done a day out JB brought one joined forcipes with nick then set in motion, have no doubt a capable machine, but matching against my machine a no hoper
Ed
Now if you said VW I would believe you, the one designed by the Belgium I want one
Len
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Len;
This kind of reminds me of the one youngster in the school yard yelling to another:
"My Papa is better than yours"! NA-NA-NANA-NA.
Ok, I don't care about who's foot size is bigger than mine THEN but, I'll put up this challange:
Someday when you spend all your Billions of money you have saved from the cleaning Industry, fly over to the good old USA and you'll be my guest for a day or two. Then I'll have you drive that ugly looking (promise you won't look at the outside!!!) 2007 BMW of mine and see if it isn't what's under the hood that really counts. Oh, btw, I forgot to mention that you had better not be wearing that Beatle Wig------it may fly off on acceleration!!!! :'(
(hee-hee-hee!) ;D ;D ;D ;D
The very best, sir & I was just kidding with you;
Ed Valentine
(PS: And all this time you thought I was kidding! Come on over and see us sometime as our Guest!)
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I've had 3 BMW's nice cars nothing to brag about compared to my Rolls Royce I had, apart from RR do between 8 and 12 miles to the gallon.
Portis are great for some but the high end earners use TM's even Chemdry are moving that way.
Look at the real marketing gurus like Howard Partridge he has loads of them.
Shaun
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I think my post was misinterpreted, misread or wasn't read at all ( most likely :P). I didn't ask what car you drive now, I asked ( tongue in cheek ) what car were you driving when the Recoil was designed, it was supposed to be a bit light hearted, was not expecting our Most Gracious Monarch to be brought into it and certainly not The Beatles :o.
Don't think anyone is doubting the power it has for a portable, it just isn't aesthetically pleasing, it has looks only a mother ( or father ;)) could love.
So when was this machine conceived? Even Richie said it was ugly, and he is a "good person". I can be good too, so can I come and stay with you as well.
A new European Marketing Manager??, now that is a good idea ;)
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Richie saying something is ugly is a bit like the kettle calling the pot black ;D
Shaun
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It ain't the machine looks that count, its the way you present and sell yourself, before, during and after job that counts.
Be polite, look clean and smartly dressed, do the best job possible is far, far more important than how pretty your machine is.
That said a TM , as Shaun says, must be a fantastic marketing tool.
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Yes my recoil is ugly, but it sure makes me look good ;D
and i am the best looking cc in my town
Andrew
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unfortunately population of my area is 24 per Km2 the lowest in country
Andrew
and i am the best looking cc in my town
I should imagine you are the only carpet cleaner in the town then :P :)
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done your reading there Gary.
population is 14000
think our council area is 50000.
which covers an area of roughly 15 miles in all directions from me. Very rural, too many lakes and fells and sheep ::)
Which is why after 20 years cc i still run a porty, have other parts to my business to make a living.
Andrew
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Shaun,
As already said by others.....it dont matter what it looks like its what s inside & how it performs that counts. Im GREAT insde & PERFORM VERY WELL.
If i was in the market for a portable and was not concerned about price as many are i would by either a Ninja or a Scorpion. As far as portables go, they both perform very well. NO im not going soft as i would choose a TM every time over a porty but im just pointing out that the 2 mentioned portys are good considoring their power limitations.
Richie.
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Joe, I sometimes wonder if you have fallen for the same speel ;)
I am sure I have stated this in a post before Geoff, but just over 12 months ago I had never heared of the Scorpion, Solutions UK, nor Nick V-W.
It ws only by joining this forum and "listening" to all the knockers of the machine or the business or the individual (or all 3 at the same time) did I become interested in what it and they were about.
It was then that I got interested.
and I didnt "fall" for any speel - cause what was supposed to have been said was long before my time.
What I fell for was the performance of the machinery, not its looks, and the potential for it to do a better clean then I had been doing with my very adequate CFR500.
Oh! and regarding the CFR500 and looks, more then a few clients said it looks like a dustbin, and lets face it most portables are of a similar design, the Ninja being perhaps like the old rounder dustbin.
and regarding high end portables performing like TM's, no one seem to have picked up on the copy/paste I took from the Hydramaster site re the Raptor 230H, here it is again....
.......maximum “truckmount” like performance........
I dont knock other machines, if I aint had one or tried one for a decent period I say so. (check back thro all my posts if you like) :)
All those portables I mentioned earlier with some of their spec and prices, that was not to knock them, but to show they are all around the same price, cause the high price of the Scorpion was highlighted...... and they are as high as each other.
What I can say with complete freedom of speech is that the Scorpion is a very good portable, more then capable of doing a very good job.
What is of interest is where R&D and innovative men like Ed Valentine, John Bolton and many others will take the machines in the future.
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I was a bit concerned about the start of the thread post as I wondered what the motive was especially as the owner of the Scorpian was not identifed which makes it hard to verfy the facts.
Why not pick on The Ninja, Advance Powflite etc After all Ninja is not a great looker
I was considering getting a 600 psi portable in Jiune ,July and then papers were full of Credit Crunch Sales dropped I got depressed and thought do I need it,
I am now concerned about the alleged noise of such pumps and wonder if they are a step to far for portables, and if portable owners want to do tile and grout etc find some other method.
Its good to know some carpet cleaners can afford Rolls Royces but if I was that Rich i would not be Cleanng Carpets.
I still do understand with the internet International Shpping etc why Us companies do not ship direct to UK
Itsw no further across the Atlantic than it is North to South or East to West
But the pound has falen against the dollar so what looked like Bargains on the other side of the pond might not be anymore
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Hi Ian,
I didnt mention the name of the Scorpion owner because he does not post on these boards.
Richie.
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I have my doubts as to whether 500/600psi is really that much more use than lower pressures for hard surface cleaning.
I'd have thought you'd need to be in the thousands of psi to actually clean by pressure and nothing else. Doing it our way we're using chemical, agitation and time as well as the sheer brute force of blasting water at the surface.
I'll stand corrected if anyone else has found different though :)
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Ian I had a RR for another business, but CC gives me cash flow and obviously profit, I needed that a few years ago to juggle with paying at one time 4 morgages.
Shaun
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Ian I had a RR for another business
Were you a dictator of a small african country?
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The very small island of 'wedding hire' makes a very small profit and the partners caused an uprising when it wanted a new clutch and I was left with the bill.
Shaun
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My truckmount broke today and i had to use my portable to finish the job.
A tm owner still needs a portable so why not buy the most powerful one.
ED
You have developed a great machine but over here we need extra refinement such as mentioned. No doubt youd sell more.
Mark
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Ed
How much futher can you take the scorpion?
Or there abouts then?
Its an ideal set up for someone who doesent want a truck mount set up or someone who is happy to work from a small van.
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Ed
Think you may have me mixed up with some else I’m more or less bald, which I put down to badly fitting crash helmets in my youth, acceleration you want to have a go in my mate’s caterham 0 to 60 3.6sec.
Didn’t say your car was ugly; I just prefer a better-looking one with the same engine. ;)
Not to sure when I will be visiting family in the US/Canada but when I do I will give you a call.
Len
Ps we have lovable rouge called Del Boy but some are not that lovable. ;)