Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: julianbiggs on August 15, 2008, 07:06:58 pm
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Right i'm gonna have abit of a moan.... not directed at anyone particularly.... I put on a thread on here recently basically saying that we've got loads of work and need a hand ( there's two of us work together) to get ourselves back up to date after bad weather and hols. Was looking for someone to help us out for around 10 days or so. So i put a thread up asking for people to email me their daily rate of pay for 9 hours work. The emails ive received are:
£200 per day
£220 per day
£300 per day
£320 per day
I'm not being funny. Are these people having a laugh!!
Why are they asking for so much when they clearly need more work, hence their reply to me.
For us to pay those figures we'd need to turnover a minimum of £620 a day just to earn £10 more than the person helping us.
I must also add...We're not part of the £5 brigade. We have very good paying work and live in an afluent area. Our average house price is £18.30 so we know how to earn good money. But as a two man team we can't get anywhere near £620 per day.
There...rant finished.....
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A 2 man team might not but 1 in each van would do it no problem.
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i agree NWH ;)
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I suppose they mean't using their own van, water, poles etc. And nine hours is a bit of a long day, after six hours i'm struggling.
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I understand that. Long term that is something we are definitely going to do. Some of my previous threads ask questions about expanding. But the point is these are ridiculous expectations of a daily rate.
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I understand that. Long term that is something we are definitely going to do. Some of my previous threads ask questions about expanding. But the point is these are ridiculous expectations of a daily rate.
I can understand you saying that about someone starting out but if you asked an established WC for help meaning he would be putting off his own work it`s not un reasonable,why should he earn less than he would on his own work.
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A 2 man team might not but 1 in each van would do it no problem.
Of course you always do over £300 a day on houses... ::)
Most people I know do £100-150 a day on domestics.
How can you be doing over double? ;)
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
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It shouldn't really make any difference. Daily rate is daily rate. I wanted to get an idea of people's expectations first before mentioning anything.
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
depends what you mean by being realistic,that might be realistic to him and his round but not me.It makes me LOL when i see people write that certain things are not possible,how the hell does anyone know what is possible for me if you have an average round of domestics built up over years you should be able to do over £200 a day easy.That is not a boastfull egotistical statement it`s a fact and if your not doing that i would seriously look at your business and where it`s taking you.
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Im new and have a day that i do where i get £220 from 9 till 3
Chris
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
If I was short of work and the alternative was earning nothing, I think £20 an hour is not unreasonable. That involves using my own water, poles, vehicle etc. You would get a decent return from me for that as well provided the work was priced alright. I expect more from my own work of course but appreciate that you would need a fair margin. The alternative, of course, would be to pay on a percentage basis to ensure you weren't out of pocket. As far as I'm concerned it's academic anyway as I'm 200 miles from you. As I live in the southeast, it may be that my expectations are a bit higher too as there do seem to be regional variations in rates.
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nwh is working in the same area as me and what he says is spot on , regards alan
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£200 per day
£220 per day
£300 per day
£320 per day
the 200 quid a dayers should get it together, if your not earning 500 quid a day, you must be doing something seriously wrong
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I agree it’s about continually building your business until you have reached maximum earnings for yourself. I think people get stuck with customers they should have replaced a long time ago.
Getting stuck is where I'm at at the moment. I've quite a bit of good work and some excellent work but I have fallen into the trap of not increasing prices enough down the years on a fair bit of the OKish work.
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it would seem to me that if you have the time off to do extra days work for someone else ,
then you have some days off or gaps in your round , that means you should be realistic in an extra day(s) wages ,
however 9 / 10 hours a day is probably too much !
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Oh come on Matt, some days i only earn £450 i can't possibly earn £500 every day all week - sometimes it rains.
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And if Matt can`t do it nobody can.
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it would seem to me that if you have the time off to do extra days work for someone else ,
then you have some days off or gaps in your round , that means you should be realistic in an extra day(s) wages ,
however 9 / 10 hours a day is probably too much !
Of course, in the mid to long term it is more viable seeking more work for your own business. However, if there is a need to earn the money urgently in the here and now, then subbing work like that needs to be done with a thought for the contractor's margin.
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why don,t some of you raise your expectations , this is a money making machine regards alan
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
depends what you mean by being realistic,that might be realistic to him and his round but not me.It makes me LOL when i see people write that certain things are not possible,how the hell does anyone know what is possible for me if you have an average round of domestics built up over years you should be able to do over £200 a day easy.That is not a boastfull egotistical statement it`s a fact and if your not doing that i would seriously look at your business and where it`s taking you.
Well I know at least a dozen window cleaners, and not one of them does that sort of figure, or if they do then it's never more than once or twice a month.
It's not anything wrong with my work.
I bet over 95% of window cleaners in the country make well under £200 a day.
It's you who's unrealistic.
We just tell the truth.
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What was a good day trad squeaky? one day a month figure and just a general good day please.
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
depends what you mean by being realistic,that might be realistic to him and his round but not me.It makes me LOL when i see people write that certain things are not possible,how the hell does anyone know what is possible for me if you have an average round of domestics built up over years you should be able to do over £200 a day easy.That is not a boastfull egotistical statement it`s a fact and if your not doing that i would seriously look at your business and where it`s taking you.
Well I know at least a dozen window cleaners, and not one of them does that sort of figure, or if they do then it's never more than once or twice a month.
It's not anything wrong with my work.
I bet over 95% of window cleaners in the country make well under £200 a day.
It's you who's unrealistic.
We just tell the truth.
Get off your backside and get some decent work,all you do is moan and complain so there`s nothing new here is there,this is a perfect thread for a moaner reflecting on his work and a thread your quick to reply to.It`s as if your sub concious mind is telling you your a no hoper,not only you don`t beleive me you also don`t think it`s possible what chance do you have you that approach,arrogant i am a liar i am not.
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why don,t some of you raise your expectations , this is a money making machine regards alan
I have been doing that of late. I was blind to it for a long time because I worked in isolation without knowledge of the internet forums. I have increased my turnover dramatically compared to what I used to turn over a couple of years back but I know it can be so much better. I've nearly doubled my turnover in three years (from a level that I acknowledge was too low) and I reckon I can increase it another 50% over the next year or two. The very big proviso in all this is that the economy mustn't hit the skids TOO badly.
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Oh come on Matt, some days i only earn £450 i can't possibly earn £500 every day all week - sometimes it rains.
you need to not be so soft and get out in the rain
i have a funny story about watching some1 work this week, im off for my tea though
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And if Matt can`t do it nobody can.
have i ever said i dont, i have some very well priced work, on the odd day i do very well, but then most of my time isnt doing just the well priced stuff
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Are you guys saying its possible to hit £500 per day with only one person? or are there a couple or more of you.
I agree with squeaky I cant see how 1 bloke can hit £500 a day even if all work is WFP.
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Are you guys saying its possible to hit £500 per day with only one person? or are there a couple or more of you.
I agree with squeaky I cant see how 1 bloke can hit £500 a day even if all work is WFP.
Squeaky wouldn`t agree with you would he,do you read his posts on earnings.
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Are you guys saying its possible to hit £500 per day with only one person? or are there a couple or more of you.
I agree with squeaky I cant see how 1 bloke can hit £500 a day even if all work is WFP.
it can be done
the butler sometimes has to help with the water, at lunch you sometimes have to get the private jet to fly in some extra water, used to get the chauffeur to bring it over, but he got fed up with the water in the bentley, just cannot get the staff these days
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Are you guys saying its possible to hit £500 per day with only one person? or are there a couple or more of you.
I agree with squeaky I cant see how 1 bloke can hit £500 a day even if all work is WFP.
it can be done
the butler sometimes has to help with the water, at lunch you sometimes have to get the private jet to fly in some extra water, used to get the chauffeur to bring it over, but he got fed up with the water in the bentley, just cannot get the staff these days
You might laugh Matt but there`s some on here that are earning that and more mate beleive me i know em.
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Hark!!! whats that i hear,
Oh! its all the poles, albanians etc rushing off to buy their kit.
how much you earn generally depends on what you need for youself not because somebody on here says, "i can earn a grand a day" therefore you are inferior to me and my equiptment.
anyway i am off on holliday
simbo
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Hark!!! whats that i hear,
Oh! its all the poles, albanians etc rushing off to buy their kit.
how much you earn generally depends on what you need for youself not because somebody on here says, "i can earn a grand a day" therefore you are inferior to me and my equiptment.
anyway i am off on holliday
simbo
It`s a bit more sophisticated than that when your at the earnings talked about,Squeaky better watch out though lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ho hum....
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I think some are getting confused with the bloke that strolls out the house at 9-10 o`clock in the morning and returns home in time to pick the kids up from school and the business that does big work,there comparing things within there own world,it`s called being small minded and the attitude that if i can`t do it no one can.
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No I dont think im being small minded, I am just curious to see how you could earn £500 a day window cleaning. If people can then maybe I have got my business model seriously wrong.
I am not a 10 to 3er personally but can get knowhere near £500 doing my best paid days.
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Are you guys saying its possible to hit £500 per day with only one person? or are there a couple or more of you.
I agree with squeaky I cant see how 1 bloke can hit £500 a day even if all work is WFP.
I once managed £400 as a proportional part of a larger job and have exceeded £300 several times. Believe me when I say that I felt it the next day and would prefer to settle for less and feel OK. I can see that £500 is possible if someone does a lot of tip top work on the same day and is prepared to work long hours but keeping that up day in day out is not very likely. Indeed, if I crammed all my very best jobs into one very long, gut wrenching day and if they were close to one another, I might just about manage £500 myself - for one day only. However, it would not be possible because my top work is scattered around and is done at different times.
Anyway, I don't go to work to be too knackered to enjoy life. It defeats the best part of being self-employed IMO.
I'm not saying that others can't do it. I'm just saying that I can't with the type of work I currently have.
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I think some are getting confused with the bloke that strolls out the house at 9-10 o`clock in the morning and returns home in time to pick the kids up from school and the business that does big work,there comparing things within there own world,it`s called being small minded and the attitude that if i can`t do it no one can.
i know some1 who does the school run everyday and still earns very good money most days
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i have a funny story about watching some1 work this week, im off for my tea though
Do tell.
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I started this thread for a very good reason but it's gone off at a tangent. We have 2 very good paying days.. between £400 and £500 for each day...but....i am honest enough to say this is a rarity. i would love to have 20 x 500 days.
The whole point of this thread was to rant about people's expectations of a daily rate when "working" for us. Ridiculous requests. Simple.
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I started this thread for a very good reason but it's gone off at a tangent. We have 2 very good paying days.. between £400 and £500 for each day...but....i am honest enough to say this is a rarity. i would love to have 20 x 500 days.
The whole point of this thread was to rant about people's expectations of a daily rate when "working" for us. Ridiculous requests. Simple.
If your so bothered about paying certain rates do the work yourself or get a polish shiner lol. ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe you can learn something then Julian.
What?
Well number one is the point you make.
Number two is maybe you need to invest in another van.
Number three is maybe NWh is right.
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Some of you are soooooooo missing the point. This thread was never directed at the people like yourselves and us, too much work. Not enough yet to expand, but still considering weather too much calendar work.
It was aimed at people who may not have a full round who want to " fill in the gaps" they have in their month by earning some extra money.
I didn't put that on the original thread, cause to be honest it must be obvious who its directed to. If you're already too busy you wouldn't have bothered replying to my original thread about expected daily rates.
If you look at some of my previous threads you'll see that we are considering, very seriously about expanding and spend pretty much all day talking about it. But there are lots of factors to weigh up.
The guys who have replied with comments about expanding please email me your experiences so we can use them to evaluate the pros and pitfalls before we expand. julianbiggs@rocketmail.com.
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Maybe people dont want to fill there gaps with less than £200.
If it were me i would value my spare time more rather than earn less than £200.
Maybe you asked in the wrong place, what i would of done was offer £100 a day, take it or leave it.
People will always chance there arm given a choice
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I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?
Andy
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I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?
Andy
my thoughts exactly.... :o what are people doing with their time????? im home by 2pm most days
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I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?
Andy
I would have to work a week for that sort of money
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I don't understand why some of you guys don't think that £200 day is possible?
Andy
I would have to work a week for that sort of money
it would take me 2 weeks and thats with overtime and saturdays..
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Thanks Squeaky someone being realistic. As i said earlier if we were to pay between £200 and £300+ then to make it worth our while we need to turnover £600+ a day. No sensible person running a business would pay somebody more than they would earn.
depends what you mean by being realistic,that might be realistic to him and his round but not me.It makes me LOL when i see people write that certain things are not possible,how the hell does anyone know what is possible for me if you have an average round of domestics built up over years you should be able to do over £200 a day easy.That is not a boastfull egotistical statement it`s a fact and if your not doing that i would seriously look at your business and where it`s taking you.
Well I know at least a dozen window cleaners, and not one of them does that sort of figure, or if they do then it's never more than once or twice a month.
It's not anything wrong with my work.
I bet over 95% of window cleaners in the country make well under £200 a day.
It's you who's unrealistic.
We just tell the truth.
Get off your backside and get some decent work,all you do is moan and complain so there`s nothing new here is there,this is a perfect thread for a moaner reflecting on his work and a thread your quick to reply to.It`s as if your sub concious mind is telling you your a no hoper,not only you don`t beleive me you also don`t think it`s possible what chance do you have you that approach,arrogant i am a liar i am not.
I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.
Also...I'm not full of crap. ;)
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I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.
Rog,
The other week you were saying the exact opposite!
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0
Andy
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Well a lot of you guys are obviously doing well in an affluent area!
I'm in a lower than average wealth area, average price for 3 bed semi? Approx £185k
I'm sure very few if any w/cs round here gross £25k pa. and that equates to average turnover of £100 per day. FACT
The strange thing is though, that you probably still couldn't get someone to work for you regularly for less than about £100 per day. The migrant workers will though.
Lazy English I suppose, they read on here that they should be making £300 - £500 a day and it has the opposite effect to what it should have! Instead of seriously working towards a realistic figure, they can't be bothered to start working for less than you geniuses! And in the process they're ripping people off and giving wfp a bad name.
So I agree - Keep it real!!
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i had a some days free a while back, and a friend of mine was after some help doing some tree surgeon work so i agreed to help, he asked what day rate i would want and i told him id do it for around £120 a day as i didnt mind helping him out and i had the time free anyway, anyway he never got back to me and i know he took 2 other guys at £50 each! I dont think 120 is alot when im expected to pay my own tax etc on the money, plus it was 2hrs drive each way, pay peanuts and get monkeys!!
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its funny a lot on here boast of making four or five hundred a day and yet very few are vat registerd at these sort of earnings 3 days a week would push you over the vat thresh hold are some of you not being honest with your bookkeeping ;D
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I've been thinking about this today- why rog can't make a go it, and i've come to a conclusion.
Every day that I earn well involves a lot of mental flexibility on my part. I've come back off holiday so have an eight page list. I hit the list hard trying to earn as much as I can each day. Many of you must do the same thing, you choose the jobs to maximise the earnings. I might do a job on page one, then page seven then page four.
I think on my feet and I like to think I am very good at it.Many of you must do the same.
And my point is?
Well my point is that if am at pretty much full stretch mentaly, and i have a list provide by george( computer) then the guy who has a pen and pencil can't really compete.
I've got no work, he has he just doesn't know it. He'll spot a job tonight and think, I could have done that if only I'd known.
I know for a fact Rog hasn't got George because he's mentioned it before. Without this you lack the flexibility to even attempt to maximise earnings.
My apologies to those that think this is so obvious that it makes you sick, but some people genuinly don't know this.
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I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.
Rog,
The other week you were saying the exact opposite!
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0
Andy
Yea Squeaky, come on, be realistic ;D ;D One week you post the most sorry-ass story (well, the most sorry-ass story this forum is likely to hear) about your job and how damn crap it is the next week your saying your not moaning. If people are to believe you at least be consistent.
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I'm happy, I've got decent work, I'm not moaning.
Rog,
The other week you were saying the exact opposite!
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=58491.0
Andy
Yea Squeaky, come on, be realistic ;D ;D One week you post the most sorry-ass story (well, the most sorry-ass story this forum is likely to hear) about your job and how damn crap it is the next week your saying your not moaning. If people are to believe you at least be consistent.
Thankyou Matt i was beggining to think it was only me lol. ;D ;D
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its funny a lot on here boast of making four or five hundred a day and yet very few are vat registerd at these sort of earnings 3 days a week would push you over the vat thresh hold are some of you not being honest with your bookkeeping ;D
I don't see too much about people earning £400 - £500 a day regular. Today, I did a proportion of what for me is a very large job. I'm not going to get my slide rule out but I bet I didn't do far off £500's worth when I include the shop front I did first. It's been a long hard slog though and I've had it. I couldn't sustain that day in day out if I wanted to. Going back tomorrow to complete it. Those sort of jobs come around only occasionally for me.
I'm nowhere near VAT level BTW. I won't be next year either. In fact, I don't think I'm physically capable on my own of turning over enough to be forced into VAT.
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I don`t think anyone would disagree with the fact that the amount your on about per day on your own is possible day in day out at all it`s not,i think the thing that has kept this thread runnong so long is the fact that some don`t even think you can do £200,i reckon there winding us all up lol.
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I dont get out of bed for at least £500 . I would rather be on the golf course ;D
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I don`t think anyone would disagree with the fact that the amount your on about per day on your own is possible day in day out at all it`s not,i think the thing that has kept this thread runnong so long is the fact that some don`t even think you can do £200,i reckon there winding us all up lol.
There are plenty of days where I don't do £200 as well. That is my next target - to hit £200 a day consistently. I do it a number of times in quite a few months and I see no reason why I can't do that a lot more often - especially when there is a reasonable length of daylight.
And for the sceptics, I do declare every penny too.
I don't really like talking too much about money and generally try to avoid it.
Irritated that I've allowed myself to be sucked into this.
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Yes it's not something that makes you feel good, but you've added balance shiner. What about my point? surely on the better paying days you have to use a bit of brain power too. I know you don't have George either, but i'm telling you the juggling and flexibility is made easier if you have.
I think Rog may be falling down on this planning side.
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Yes it's not something that makes you feel good, but you've added balance shiner. What about my point? surely on the better paying days you have to use a bit of brain power too. I know you don't have George either, but i'm telling you the juggling and flexibility is made easier if you have.
I think Rog may be falling down on this planning side.
I don`t think he has a plan.
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Yes it's not something that makes you feel good, but you've added balance shiner. What about my point? surely on the better paying days you have to use a bit of brain power too. I know you don't have George either, but i'm telling you the juggling and flexibility is made easier if you have.
I think Rog may be falling down on this planning side.
You're right that I don't have George but if you saw how I've got my database set up, I think you would agree that it can be very flexible. It can't do everything that George can but I think it can do a few things that George doesn't (not certain as I only experimented with George briefly). Basically, someone viewing my database/spreadsheet system from outside could easily be baffled until they had used it for a while. However, I didn't set it up for others to use but just to meet my own requirements. It doesn't have a user friendly front end but that's the sacrifice I've made to keep it flexible for myself. I can print off a nice list of work due over the next few days (can adjust the number of days to suit) and a list of all customers who owe me. I can print out any commercial invoices with a mailmerge document from my word processor (I keep a separate database of jobs that have invoices issued). If I put my mind to it, I could even get it to run off George style reports (or similar) but I don't have the need to see every detail about work that's due. I would hate to revert back to a paper book like I did many years ago.
I know this might sound funny but I do sometimes struggle with software written by other people (not just George). Ironically, I believe it's because the programmers try too hard to make it easy. I'm not trying to lay claim to any special expertise but I was brought up on peeks, pokes, and machine code on a Commodore 64. I used to write my own simple routines sometimes once I got a feel for it (not raw machine code though - it was a slightly simpler thing called assembler language which was compiled by an assembler and sometimes I stuck with the slower Basic if speed wasn't an issue). I didn't have a computer for quite a few years. I went straight from an Amstrad PCW to a PC running Windows 95. I switched the windows PC on for the first time and wondered why there were funny little pictures on the screen. I phoned a friend to ask where the command line was LOL. Didn't mean to digress but perhaps you see now why I prefer to sort things out the way I do. I had already been using my own methods for some time before I came across George. If that hadn't been the case I may have persevered with it.
As for organising my work, I tend to travel out a bit because my home town is full of long terraces of houses where the only rear access is through the house. No good at all for making decent money (I tried it at the beginning). Therefore, I find I need to work in blocks of "areas" rather than cherry picking the highest paid work for particular days. If I did it that way, I would be running around all over the place and, of course, there would be a knock on effect for subsequent cleans. I find it better to be pretty strict doing an area at a time in order to avoid the round becoming chaotic. There is about 25 - 30 miles between the furthest reaches of my round (I'm in the middle). Obviously sometimes I will deviate from routine to get an urgent first clean done in order to win a new customer but I do tell them that the gap until the next visit will not be my usual 6 weeks as I've done it out of synch with my other work in the area. Also, a regular customer may have a special function on and I don't mind putting myself out a bit for a good regular.
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Why the hell would I get more work done because of writing it in a pocket computer list? ::)
Come off it, some people fall for the gadgets every time.
I bet the same people if they played golf they'd have a little "clicker" to keep track of how many shots they've taken.
Makes you a better player you know... ;)
What about a compass/altimeter on the dashboard of their Vauxhall Astra? ;D
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Why the hell would I get more work done because of writing it in a pocket computer list? ::)
Come off it, some people fall for the gadgets every time.
I bet the same people if they played golf they'd have a little "clicker" to keep track of how many shots they've taken.
Makes you a better player you know... ;)
What about a compass/altimeter on the dashboard of their Vauxhall Astra? ;D
i wonder about this as well
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Why the hell would I get more work done because of writing it in a pocket computer list? Roll Eyes
Come off it, some people fall for the gadgets every time.
I bet the same people if they played golf they'd have a little "clicker" to keep track of how many shots they've taken.
Makes you a better player you know... Wink
What about a compass/altimeter on the dashboard of their Vauxhall Astra? Grin
“The narrow-minded who undertake any work will never be satisfied. They cannot understand the actions of those who are large hearted and broad-minded.”
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Why the hell would I get more work done because of writing it in a pocket computer list? Roll Eyes
Come off it, some people fall for the gadgets every time.
I bet the same people if they played golf they'd have a little "clicker" to keep track of how many shots they've taken.
Makes you a better player you know... Wink
What about a compass/altimeter on the dashboard of their Vauxhall Astra? Grin
“The narrow-minded who undertake any work will never be satisfied. They cannot understand the actions of those who are large hearted and broad-minded.”
Eh? ???
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I've been thinking about this today- why rog can't make a go it, and i've come to a conclusion.
Every day that I earn well involves a lot of mental flexibility on my part. I've come back off holiday so have an eight page list. I hit the list hard trying to earn as much as I can each day. Many of you must do the same thing, you choose the jobs to maximise the earnings. I might do a job on page one, then page seven then page four.
I think on my feet and I like to think I am very good at it.Many of you must do the same.
And my point is?
Well my point is that if am at pretty much full stretch mentaly, and i have a list provide by george( computer) then the guy who has a pen and pencil can't really compete.
I've got no work, he has he just doesn't know it. He'll spot a job tonight and think, I could have done that if only I'd known.
I know for a fact Rog hasn't got George because he's mentioned it before. Without this you lack the flexibility to even attempt to maximise earnings.
My apologies to those that think this is so obvious that it makes you sick, but some people genuinly don't know this.
I do not have george either, I do not lack flexibility, I used pen and paper for many years and still do to a degree now, George is not the be all of window cleaning management software, if you think it is your barking ;)
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Still its not a bad bit of software for the money ;)
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Still its not a bad bit of software for the money ;)
I agree it is very good for the money ;)
Just gets to me when people think that it makes there business run better than others that do not use it
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monday £149.00 mispriced a gutter clean , tuesday £160.00 finished at 1pm , wednesday 230.00 , thursday £336.00 good compact work , friday £118.00 battery packed up and spent all day yesterday getting a new one ready for monday regards alan
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i am the most gadget loving man around, i love them, from PDA's to PC's to every game console out ( except the PS3 )
i find my round is my round, i start at point a and work till i cannot work anymore for the day, then i go onto my next day and so on, then 6 weeks ( sometime more ) i arrive back at point a
its all in a little book, 2 lines under each house, 1 tick to say its ben done, 1 P next to it to say they have paid, the 2 lines means i have space for aprox 3 years work in the book, well its 2 books now, as i have too much work
i allways do the round the same route and it works well
im afraid george has passed me by, and i even have it on CD here ::)
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i am the most gadget loving man around, i love them, from PDA's to PC's to every game console out ( except the PS3 )
i find my round is my round, i start at point a and work till i cannot work anymore for the day, then i go onto my next day and so on, then 6 weeks ( sometime more ) i arrive back at point a
its all in a little book, 2 lines under each house, 1 tick to say its ben done, 1 P next to it to say they have paid, the 2 lines means i have space for aprox 3 years work in the book, well its 2 books now, as i have too much work
i allways do the round the same route and it works well
im afraid george has passed me by, and i even have it on CD here ::)
I agree with that,george is no good to anyone if you get rained off and need to bring work slightly forward say a day or 2 to make up for a whole day lost.I can`t see the point of it,you can`t beat pen and paper most of the time.
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i am the most gadget loving man around, i love them, from PDA's to PC's to every game console out ( except the PS3 )
i find my round is my round, i start at point a and work till i cannot work anymore for the day, then i go onto my next day and so on, then 6 weeks ( sometime more ) i arrive back at point a
its all in a little book, 2 lines under each house, 1 tick to say its ben done, 1 P next to it to say they have paid, the 2 lines means i have space for aprox 3 years work in the book, well its 2 books now, as i have too much work
i allways do the round the same route and it works well
im afraid george has passed me by, and i even have it on CD here ::)
Just like me pretty much. My records are on cards, they dont need to be on a computer or software. I do them every day, its 2 minutes. It doesnt mean I earn less because of it. The amount i earn is dependant on how many hours I put in per day essentially, nothing else.
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George window cleaning software is a lot better than pen and paper to run anybodies round no matter how small or large with few limitations. Paper based system will enable you to work your round but will ultimately limit you.
May not be needed for some but that doesn’t mean it’s not better just because your work can be done with pen and paper.
No amount of reasoning or justification will change that.
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How`s that going to earn me more money it dosen`t clean windows for you,i know what work is due from a page a day diary and that enables me more flexibility without needing to use a pcket computer.
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George window cleaning software is a lot better than pen and paper to run anybodies round no matter how small or large with few limitations. Paper based system will enable you to work your round but will ultimately limit you.
May not be needed for some but that doesn’t mean it’s not better just because your work can be done with pen and paper.
No amount of reasoning or justification will change that.
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How`s that going to earn me more money it dosen`t clean windows for you,i know what work is due from a page a day diary and that enables me more flexibility without needing to use a pcket computer.
You bugger ;D ;D thats exactly what I was going to say. Ewan if you cant run a window cleaning round effectively on brain power and a little bit of nouse and intelliegence alone you shouldnt really be trying to inform others how to do it.
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Ewan, youve been cleaning windows using your George system for how long?
Youve cleaned windows using pen and paper system for how long?
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Shiner explained it fairly well although he hasn't got George.It's to do with bringing order out of chaos, and It's one of those things that you either get or you don't. I knew rog didn't but i'm surprised at you two.A big pointy hat with the letter D on it comes to mind.
How Matt diy explained it I agree that he doesn't need it. It's probably for people like myself or shiner who have 15 mile footprint, take holidays, and have varying 4,6,8 week frequencys.
Many reading this thread will know exactly what I mean by thinking on their feet feet.
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I've been thinking about this today- why rog can't make a go it, and i've come to a conclusion.
Every day that I earn well involves a lot of mental flexibility on my part. I've come back off holiday so have an eight page list. I hit the list hard trying to earn as much as I can each day. Many of you must do the same thing, you choose the jobs to maximise the earnings. I might do a job on page one, then page seven then page four.
I think on my feet and I like to think I am very good at it.Many of you must do the same.
And my point is?
Well my point is that if am at pretty much full stretch mentaly, and i have a list provide by george( computer) then the guy who has a pen and pencil can't really compete.
I've got no work, he has he just doesn't know it. He'll spot a job tonight and think, I could have done that if only I'd known.
I know for a fact Rog hasn't got George because he's mentioned it before. Without this you lack the flexibility to even attempt to maximise earnings.
My apologies to those that think this is so obvious that it makes you sick, but some people genuinly don't know this.
i dont use george, and i surpass the figures in question easily , and get home buy 2pm.......i have my own way of organizing things... its called a brain
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I haven’t bothered to use the pda version (yet) and sometimes I go to work without any kind of list as I can remember what I have to do that day.
So I utilise memory, pen & paper and software. Like wise you shouldn’t inform others not to use software if you are not using it yourself!
Im not telling them not to, I just resent others telling me how to run my busines when they dont know my business.
You wanna use it then use it, but dont assume its right for everyone.
By the way Ewan, please dont avoid this
Ewan, youve been cleaning windows using your George system for how long?
Youve cleaned windows using pen and paper system for how long?
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P Holley, the reason for bringing it up was for cleaners who not only can't earn a days wages but don't believe some of the figures others mention. It came to me that as the guy has an established round, wfp van mount, and has been doing it for ten years plus, that not being able to organise his work could be a reason.
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i have only just read these posts
makes me wonder if george is really the be all and end all
matt b
matt
ian ww
nwh
all people who seem to concur with my opinion on most things
all seem to work in a similar way to me
i might do the free trial and see how i get on
from what i have read tho it dont seem to do anything i cant do already
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I haven’t bothered to use the pda version (yet) and sometimes I go to work without any kind of list as I can remember what I have to do that day.
George comes into its own when you are using the full version on your computer.
So I utilise memory, pen & paper and software. Like wise you shouldn’t inform others not to use software if you are not using it yourself!
It can make you more money if fully utilised, but you wouldn’t know because you don’t use it.
Been using the software since I started window cleaning again, pen & paper before that.
sometimes you can remember what to do ??? ::)
this is why i DONT need george
everyone is different
i do my records retrospective
day at a time
i "wing" it ;D
i know what i expect to do next WEEK without a list
i know how much i am owed without a list
i bank all money earned and use same account to pay for anything related to business
my accounts write themselves
i will still give it a go tho
just to see
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ewan
if its not needed its not an "improvement"
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I don’t know why people get upset talking about possible improvements to there business. I’m sure a lot of you are very well established in your business and maybe that’s why your resist any kind or to big a change.
I doubt its quite as simple as that.
You cant tell me you immediately feel a warmth, affinity and tenderness towards an upstart trying to teach his Grandmother how to suck eggs ?
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In that case window cleaners never use to use a vehicle that still applies today!
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used to use
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i need wfp to comply with h&s on some jobs
i need a vehicle because i cant get a 650ltr tank on a pushbike
i dont NEED a computer programme to run my round
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ewan its not that i think you dont know anything
its that YOU seem to think you know EVERYTHING
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Keep it real lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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ewan its not that i think you dont know anything
its that YOU seem to think you know EVERYTHING
Yes, that is it.
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Fair comment, it wont be the first time I have had that said to me. I do need to be reminded.
Ewan are you a slow learner? I dont mean that insultingly, more like, you're highly opinionated and wont change that opinion. Regardless. Despite what others with more experience say. Adamant. Inflexible. Stubborn. Unyielding.
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Wow what a string of posts and interesting too. It seem to me if someone can articulate exactly why they dont need something then they probably dont need it. If they just say they dont need it without being able to articulate why, then they are not bothered and may miss out on an opportunity.
I usually whatch other strings, but I might just watch you ww guys, this was something.
Cheers
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Welcome Gilbert, another slow learner, you know what they say slow and steady wins the race.
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Are you best friend with toilet clean Ewan ?
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I guess I am in the same position as many sole traders on this forum.
I am a sole trader because I couldn't afford to take some one on full time.
Good luck to all you guys that consistently earn £200 a day, and I really mean that.
some of us either because we have placed limitations on ourselves, have no great ambition, or we can't command high enough prices on our rounds will not achieve this.
I am happy to work for £20 an hour but my average is nearer £15, and £15 an hour is what I reckon a guy who worked for me would have to earn for me to break even, so it's not worth the hassle of employing.
I didn't come into window cleaning to create an empire, I came into it to replace a lost job in engineering,
I achieved that within the first year. I refuse to feel inferior to any one else on here because I don't earn as much as them, I owe no one a penny, and have just spent the last month with my family on the beach in Bali.
As a self employed window cleaner you are entitled to earn as much or as little as you need, if your happy your happy. End of story.
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nothing wrong with £15 an hour if you are averaging 8 hrs a day 5 days a week, if its close to home and overheads are low then its mostly profit! some lads i know go on about £30-50 an hour but they only have 3 hrs and go home! whats the point?? and they drive almost an hour to do it.might as well do average work for 8 hours.
better to be out 30 hrs a week,for 15-25 which most window cleaners will average over the year, due to illness, rain etc.
i average around 20-25 but only have about 3 days a week , but i do 8 hours a day, and im happy doing that. In the past ive given work up that is £15 a hr, but when i look back if id of kept it id be better off financially, but i just got above myself and thought im not working for 15 an hour, but its 3x minimum wage, and is still 120 for days work., and i know that in alot of areas you cant get any more than that, i was just happy to cut my losses and look for better paying work. But nowt wrong with it if you got it and its close to home.
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yeah your right there, the advantage with a wage from an employer is its all yours, whereas we pay out on marketing, diesel, vans, insurances, and if you employ the list is endless, i am currently working at getting 4 days at £200 a week, will be happy with that, i know alot are saying 200 isnt possible everyday etc, but i can do it on all of my work 3 days a week at present, just a case of doing 7-8 hours at a reasonable pace, and if i only have 4 days a week i can catch up for days off, rain etc, plus at present i am basing my earnings on trad but picking up speed now changed to wfp so 200+ should be possible, or perhaps just easier days :) All work at moment i am pricing up to 30 an hr plus, but i am in an area where its possible, i have worked rounds where to get 20 an hr was an achievement but it would of taken years of price rises to get more, my bro in law always says how do you manage 200 as he does about 130, but hes doing 3.50 4.00 jobs, but they are on his doorstep and no wfp to run, whereas im travelling about 25 mile round trip and runnin pole, but im still coming out better off in the long run...
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Welcome Gilbert, another slow learner, you know what they say slow and steady wins the race.
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