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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: P @ F on July 29, 2008, 09:25:46 pm
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Tulsion resin on E BAY has anybody used it , if so what was the verdict , all help appreciated
Thanks Rich
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Rich,
I have used Tulsion for many years now and have found it to perform better than the first two products I tried.
Have been surprised at the feedback we have received from people who have been using top brands.
There have been a few people who did not see any differnce but when I checked their systems the main cause was the di vessel which they have now rectified.
The downside for us is people do not order as regular as it last long when used in correct conditions, but good news for the user. Water quality can also have an effect on the product you use so best try all makes to see what suits your water, and then weigh up cost of volume produced and price of resin.
Being as honest as I can.
Cheers
Doug
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I agree with Doug
Tulsion is excellent resin.
Andrew
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Rich
I didnt notice any difference
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sounds like a body building powder - TULSION!!
nobody??
no one?
oh, ok I'll just be quiet.
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Rich
I didnt notice any difference
You managed to get a bag on the black market then ;D ;D
Bit surprised Dave, feedback received 99% have seen a difference!!!
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sounds like a body building powder - TULSION!!
nobody??
no one?
oh, ok I'll just be quiet.
You need to be a body builder carrying the 25l bag ;D ;D
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Tulsion lasts twice as long for me. :P
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Rich
I didnt notice any difference
You managed to get a bag on the black market then ;D ;D
Bit surprised Dave, feedback received 99% have seen a difference!!!
But remember the way you set up your DI's has a big impact on resin & the way Dave's are set up aint gonna make any resin last any longer! ;)
Tony
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Change the record
Where is the proof ?
Until you come up with any, which you wont for obvious reasons you will look like foolish.
Proof proof proof, there is none if it were me and i were a supplier i would conduct tests, not speculation
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Change the record
Where is the proof ?
Until you come up with any, which you wont for obvious reasons you will look like foolish.
Proof proof proof, there is none if it were me and i were a supplier i would conduct tests, not speculation
You have to prove it to yourself, change your set up or shut up. who's the fool, the one who's resin now lasts more than double what it did or the one who goes through resin like amy winehouse goes through coke?
YOU are the minority, virtualy everyone else gets twice the life from their resin by listening to advise & making changes- or are you too big now to stoop so low? ::)
LOOK at the evidence, you against everyone else, can you apply simple maths? i know who's laughing ;D
Tony
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So what are the changes you have made to make the resin last longer?
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So what are the changes you have made to make the resin last longer?
1. Stop using purolite resin
2. Use dowex or tulsion
3. Use two DI's in sequence
4. Do not fill tank through DI's
5. Have the DI's on van & purify water on demand @ a lower flow rate.
Input tds= 90ppm (ish) (fluctuates between 75-95ppm)
Used to use 4 to 5 bags of resin per year, now use 2 & have double the work that i used to have!
I've put it like this to help others who may have a little difficulty adding up (just incase) ;)
Tony
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So what are the changes you have made to make the resin last longer?
1. Stop using purolite resin
2. Use dowex or tulsion
3. Use two DI's in sequence
4. Do not fill tank through DI's
5. Have the DI's on van & purify water on demand @ a lower flow rate.
Input tds= 90ppm (ish) (fluctuates between 75-95ppm)
Used to use 4 to 5 bags of resin per year, now use 2 & have double the work that i used to have!
I've put it like this to help others who may have a little difficulty adding up (just incase) ;)
Tony
I think that is a very important part of it, and last time I checked Dave didn't do that? (not having a dig at you btw Dave)
macmac, you might want to consider revising your first post, it was quite harsh. :)
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It is all speculation, I now use 5 di's in series and fill up into storage tanks.
I have spoke to 3 suppliers now, a couple have just hinted that you might get marginally more out of it.
None of them will state publicly that it will last longer than other makes, I wonder why ?
Come on Alex, Mr Mccann and others please give us your opinions.
Filling up straight into the van or using it on demand makes no difference at all, I have tried it every way and its all the same.
used to have my di units in the van, and then after 12 months took them out with no difference at all in useage.
As for the minority , do you mean minority to you and a couple of suppliers who are trying to promote your resin.
Heres a test for you, fill 2 separate 500ml Di units up with different types of resin in , turn on the tap and see which lasts the longest , you can turn the flow rate down as slow as you like, then tell me your findings.
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You will get a different result across the country due to water quality.
Will explain at a later date as working on a leaflet which shows how the process works.
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Tulsion resin on E BAY has anybody used it , if so what was the verdict , all help appreciated
Thanks Rich
Rich look what you have started!!
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I knw Stu , good aint it , trad or wfp which is best ;D
Rich
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It is all speculation, I now use 5 di's in series and fill up into storage tanks.
I have spoke to 3 suppliers now, a couple have just hinted that you might get marginally more out of it.
None of them will state publicly that it will last longer than other makes, I wonder why ?
Come on Alex, Mr Mccann and others please give us your opinions.
Filling up straight into the van or using it on demand makes no difference at all, I have tried it every way and its all the same.
used to have my di units in the van, and then after 12 months took them out with no difference at all in useage.
As for the minority , do you mean minority to you and a couple of suppliers who are trying to promote your resin.
Heres a test for you, fill 2 separate 500ml Di units up with different types of resin in , turn on the tap and see which lasts the longest , you can turn the flow rate down as slow as you like, then tell me your findings.
The problem with this is that no one can state that their virgin resin will definitely last longer than another make of virgin, claims are usually heresay and would not stand up to clinical observation. Obviously a virgin resin will last longer than non-virgin, but after this it is usually down to the exact chemical make up in the water in each area. The life of the resin can also be affected by the presence of chemicals that do not register on a TDS meter, so someone can have the same TDS as another user in a different area, but because of the different chemical and mineral make-up it will last a different length of time. This is not to say that one make of virgin resin will not outlast another but this may be down to its compatibility to the type of water that is being used with and if used in another area of the country may even last less time.
We're about to start a program of resin testing along the lines of what you have suggested, we are also looking at using a completely different type of resin to change how we filter water currently. These things do take time though and right now I have virtually none! :)
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Alex
Good reply, look forward to your tests.
I know you wouldnt manipulate the results as you have always beeen completely honest with me.
I would be quite interested in the resin when you have finished developing it.
Dave
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I don't sell any resin to anyone & have no vested interest in any brand of resin. Thus i have no reason to manipulate any result & to suggest so shows immaturity implying it.
However, i have helped many, many wfp'ers save lots of money on resin by them changing resin brands & set up- Fact!
There are better resins on the market than the ones wfp suppliers sell us, specificaly to do the same job but at higher flow rates. This is what i would be using if i didn't have di's on my van, but i do, so you'll have to do your own research on that one.
Try my suggestions or don't, save money or don't, makes no odds whatsoever to me. ???
Tony
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or you could just ro then di the water - saving even more money.
DOWEX,,,CHA CHA CHA,,,,DOWEX,,CHA CHA CHA
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Well said Tony
Suppliers will only see ££££, funny though many suppliers want Tulsion so it must be good ;) But then again profit margins are lower than the other brands.
Dowex again is a very good resin, same again profit margins are lower. ;)
Alex's tests will only be inclusive to his water quality so his tests will not reflect it UK wide.
My advise like Tony has said try all brands to see what best suits you if you use a lot of resin.
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Well said Tony
Suppliers will only see ££££, funny though many suppliers want Tulsion so it must be good ;) But then again profit margins are lower than the other brands.
Dowex again is a very good resin, same again profit margins are lower. ;)
Alex's tests will only be inclusive to his water quality so his tests will not reflect it UK wide.
My advise like Tony has said try all brands to see what best suits you if you use a lot of resin.
Exactly the point I was making Doug. Chemical composition of the water really does affect the resin performance.
If the profit margins are lower on Tulsion surely this is only because it is being undersold? If it is in demand and people find they get a lot longer out of it, surely they would be prepared to pay 10% more for it than other brands? Or in reality, are people buying resin purely based on price rather than actual performance?
As most suppliers know the real cost of resin has risen very sharply in the last three months and yet most suppliers (including myself) have not passed this rise on to the consumer. Is this because we are afraid of the consumer being ruled by their wallet rather than the quality of the product?
It's a very difficult one to judge :-\
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My overheads are cheaper, in Scotland rates are being scrapped in your rent is below xxx ;D. My strategy is to get product x to the customer with the lowest overheads possible, so hence why I have priced Tulsion at that price.
Price vs quality, price will win 80% of the time, it's human nature.
But the biggest winner is customer satisfaction, hence why a lot of folk up my way have asked if I could start supplying other products. The biggest problem with a lot of suppliers and even we in the window cleaning industry is someone we employ can destroy our name as they do not have the same loyalty and pride as we do.
Trust me I am coming accross these in the manufacturing industry here in the UK , hence I will hopefully be supplying a new range of products from abroad. Costs are coming up but in my past experience I have wide knowledge how to handle this and sales men don't like it but you have to be like it in this game ;)
Back to resin,yes costs will go up but there is always a way to overcome them until all your tacts are exhausted.
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Sounds like a win-win situation for all of your customers Doug :)
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Next back is from you Doug. :)
Shame I've only been doing it for 2,5months now, still have half a bag left, It'll have to wait lol.
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Although i would never recommend purolite as i HAVE tested it back to back with dowex, AND they ARE worlds apart, I'm sure that some other quality brands of resin are as good, just that i've not personaly used or tested them, so i can't comment on their performance.
So, my point being, i'm not saying dowex or tulsion are the best on the market, they just out-perform purolite by miles & maximise a twin DI set-up to it's full potential. ;)
Tony