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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: davep on July 20, 2008, 02:43:46 pm
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What air brush and compressor do you find best for applying colour to leather?
Ta
Dave
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Depends what product you're using and to some extent whose training you wish to follow. Also, whether the work is in the client's home or your workshop.
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Furmiture clinic products, school of Moss, now i have a sofa to practice on i need to get a compressor but there seem to be loads out there..
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I've just bought a clarke indy air from machine mart think it was about a oner , and a gravity fed air brush off ebay , not used it yet but I am hoping it will do the job
John
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Is that this one?
htt p://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/indy-air-spray-kit
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here's a picture mate
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Yip same one, is it noisy?
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a little bit , but you care's, I don't do a lot of work in Libraries
John
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Wonder if this is any good?
ht tp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COMPLETE-AIRBRUSH-KIT-AIR-BRUSH-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ310067498704QQihZ021QQcategoryZ33919QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
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Dave
go for this one
ebay no. 150272274748 its quiet and quite powerful.
I have one of these 290244285789 , they are upwards of 200 quid but you can use 2 guns with it. If this one does not go too high then get it( I think it will sell for around 70 quid)
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Paul , will the set up I got do the job ?
John
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Paul is this similar?
170240023053
The guts only a mile away so no postage, bit tight you see..
Got a pigmented chair a cat ran over with paint on its paws to play with (the chair not the cat ;D)
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Yer dave that one is ok ( I have one of those too) The one that has the tank on is better as the air flow is more consistant ( you dont need to wait for it to build up).
John yours looks ok, as long as it sprays thats all you need. See you have bought the little air brush, they are great for under 20 quid and will do most jobs.
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Thanks Paul , 1 more question what psi should we be spraying at
thanks John
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And what size nozzle is best ::)
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Most machines power between 15 and 100 psi, that is not an issue as you can adjust the force with the control switch on most guns.
Nozzel sizes are betweem 0.25 ( it is millimetres Dave ;)) and 0.75
I use a few different guns from large 0.75 ones down to 0.25 but My favourite all rounder is 0.3
which is this gun on ebay
300242826266
It is as good as the £150 guns.I prefere the gun type to th pen type guns and also find better flow from gravity fed guns rather than suction fed as they tend to spit more with lower psi an smaller compresors.
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Ta Paul, keep your phone free when i start experimenting next week ::)
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Always used a badger airbrush for even the largest jobs, run off a mini compressor from Machine Mart, find they do not overspray and are very quick and easy to keep clean, very economical on product.
Andy has tried many different airbrushes over the years including very expensive ones but always gone back to the badger. These little airbrushes run very well off a large compressor too with a braided air hose. We find they last us about 3-5 years in the workshop before they need replacing and they are used most days. Spares are also readily available if needed. Generally they can be celaned out in about 1 minute after use and if this is done will only need a serious clean about once a month.
Some product is very thick but the addition of water (for water based produscts) usually means they are OK. BRIT restoration pigments go through with no problem but it is often wise to filter product first as pigment can settle and cause blockages
Hope this helps
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I use FC pu dye and finish ,you dont have to filter them ( and why should you have to).
Thinking about it I think i will sell my kit and buy a £5 Badger, also I will sell he truck and buy a rug doctor, sell the CFR and use a Numatic plastic one. ;D
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I've had 2 of the badger sprayers and they have bothed got 'culled' but I like the one Paul recommeded to me, spraying is easier and more consistant even with the same compressor.
I have a Clark wiz but I think I might upgrade to the one shown.
Shaun
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is it easy to spray a leather sofa and were do u buy the paint
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There are many things to take into consideration when recolouring a leather sofa.
You need to understand the type of leather you are dealing with to start with as trying to recolour something like a wax/oil pull up with pigments (paints) could lead to huge problems with adhesion etc. Pigments should only be used on leathers that have a pigment coating on them and dyes should be used on aniline style (absorbent) leathers
There will be other considerations like the condition of the leather, whether the pigment is cracked, is there any grease present (which may affect the adhesion of the pigment/finish) and what colour change you are trying to achieve. If the leather is a two tone leather and you are not recolouring the whole sofa then this will be a trickier operation than a single colour pigment.
The style of the furniture may also dictate how easy it will be to colour ie. piped borders, fixed cushions etc. It will be necessary to mask any areas that you do not want your pigment to colour.
Bear in mind that
Preparation (this is crucial taking into account any or all of the above problems)
Proceedure (the application of the product is also crucial and spraying is not necessarily the best way of applying the product)
Product (the selection of product is important from the array on the market )
will all determine the outcome of the job
Spraying PU products tend to float a coating across the leather and this fills in texture and grain pattern which is not always acceptable to the customer.
Water based products (particularly BRIT which is a very light product) can be applied with a roller and will not significantly affect the grain pattern or texture.
We strongly advise that you practice on something you own before you advance to a customers leather otherwise it could be an expensive operation.
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Judy are you saying with the BRIT system you don't need a sprayer to apply the dye for pigmented? does that also extend to the finish?
Shaun
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The BRIT system usually only requires a very light overspray of pigment as a final coat. The finish is normally applied by airbrush but could be applied by hand.
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Why do all threads on Leather end up with LTT promoting their products ?
Gets like a broken record ::)
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I thought with any application of pigments you'd have to apply it in coates but even with a roller you'll need a final application a spray gun will give it a all over optical finish with no brush or roller marks?
Irrelivant of the product the application is the same then!?
Shaun
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Eh, No it's not the same. Some products will fill in the low areas and skim the high areas. By using the right method of application you can get the best possible results. Simple really.
robert m
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Robert I don't understand what you mean, it doesn't sound English let alone Scottish.
My meaning is this, if you apply the pigment onto the leather by roller to build up the colour then you may get a stipple affect or shall we say not the desired affect, so then you need to finish off with a spray application to even the coat out.
Why not apply the coats with spray and then allow to dry between each coat which doesn't take long?
Shaun
Looking to pick up tips not arguements.
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Shaun
Sometimes its good to apply by hand as this doesnt fill in the grain. Then finish the pigment with airbrush to blend and get even coat. Finally airbrush the lacquer finish - there are some that can be done by hand although I have yet to try this :P
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Whether applying by hand/sponge/ roller or air brush you will get the same amount on the surface.
If you use an air brush with a very fine jet an mist it on you will get less product on.
This filling the grain pattern in is just usual B S.
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No arguments from me Shaun. As you know, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I've been having a long look at what's available in the leather side of things and there's a lot of stuff out there, including preferred methods of application.
To date, I've tried dozens of products and am waiting for a few more. I assumed spraying was the only logical method of applying pigment although I know sponges, brushes and cloths have been used.
If you apply a gloss paint to a grained paper, you will find the gloss paint is likely to fill in the hollows and leave the higher surface needing a further application. If you apply a quicker drying and highly adhesive emulsion type paint you will get a more evenly coated surface.
Hope the analogy makes sense.
Pauls comment beat my posting..........................but my analogy stands