Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: *Mr Tumble on July 14, 2008, 09:44:31 pm
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I have been trialling this for a few days - it seems to make the glass hydroscopic.
In a 250l tank I added two litres o white spirit, now I'm wondering if other solvents might do the same trick?
Any thoughts?
~Fumble~
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why would you want to put an oil based liquid in pure water. have you ever cleaned recently painted woodwork it runs white and drys badly
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I don't think it is oil is it? It's what I call a 'hyper-detergent. You wash grease off with it don't you?
Maybe it was a fluke?
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I don't think it is oil is it? It's what I call a 'hyper-detergent. You wash grease off with it don't you?
Maybe it was a fluke?
What have your results been like? Honestly now???
It is oil based,... and it may actually damage your pump.
If you haven't had bad results, its probably because it floats on water and you haven't actually used any of it yet,.. it'll all come out in one go as you get to the very bottom of the tank.
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I have a sneaky feeling that painters who "clean" the glass after painting with white spirits or turps substitute make the glass phobic and help cause future spotting problems ?
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Only trying to share what I've been experimenting with mate. No need to be quite so offensive.
I have used white spirit, a tiny tiny amount of meths, and even peroxide in small amounts. one of it made, or seemed to make any big difference.
Nothing ventured nothing gained so no need be unpleasant.
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You could be on to something with peroxide. H2o2?
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I was spurred on by the idea of using IPA isopropanal. Wrong time of year maybe, better wait until it's colder.
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You could be on to something with peroxide. H2o2?
What is was with peroxide was those disco dance floors with the low lying ice areas. Dry ice isn't actually that cold - in fact, it's not cold at all. What is does on glass I don't know, but why not try it out to see what happens?
So nothing big happened! Why is it so wrong to try it out?
You know, sometimes I wonder why I bother sharing stuff like this. :-[ :-\ :(
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what effect do these have on tds reading then ???
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what effect do these have on tds reading then ???
I've never taken a tds reading of them, I was only interested in what they seemed to do to the glass.
Take isopropanol - I don't think it made any difference to the sheeting or beading thing, but I know its meant to have a low tds.
Mr Merson - the same reason evryone else comes here ::)
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Mr Tumble, White spirit is not water soluble! and as has been stated will float on the top of your pure water, at some point it will cause you problems!!!
People, Mr Tumble doesn't deserve to by sneered at, offer sensible advice please or don't bother posting at all.
Ian
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Several replies deleted >:(
Mr Tumble, White spirit is not water soluble! and as has been stated will float on the top of your pure water, at some point it will cause you problems!!!
People, Mr Tumble doesn't deserve to by sneered at, offer sensible advice please or don't bother posting at all.
Ian
Here here , well said Ian .
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Peroxide sounds like it could be a winner. How does it compare cost-wise to IPA?
I've got some IPA,... I tried it and noticed a minimal improvement in cleaning frames but not much else. The cost of it puts me off though. 3 months supply of IPA for me is the same price as a diy hot setup!
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Several replies deleted >:(
Mr Tumble, White spirit is not water soluble! and as has been stated will float on the top of your pure water, at some point it will cause you problems!!!
People, Mr Tumble doesn't deserve to by sneered at, offer sensible advice please or don't bother posting at all.
Ian
Dammit you're right. I just checked and when you look closely at the surface, or a bit below it, you can see a sort of line - so I guess none of it has gone to the outlet and so none on the glass means it's not going to work! I did shake the mix around a bit, but all you see are clear bubbles sort of thing, then it seperates again.
Back to the drawing board!
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Gg3/4 is a "soluble" mix.
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If this is a genuine post (and i doubt very much it is) then you have probably ruined everything with white spirit because it's not going to mix with water.
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If this is a genuine post (and i doubt very much it is) then you have probably ruined everything with white spirit because it's not going to mix with water.
One, you are obviously not reading my posts closely enough, and two, if you don't like it, don't read it, you don't have to try to close everybodys minds down to the possibilities, and third you are in no position to say if anything is in doubt or otherwise clever clogs.
notes: the white spirit does not mix with water, as as now been established (if you'd read the thread properly) and therefore has not 'ruined everything'. What I have to do is skim the top off the tank (probably siphon) and job's done.
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if you do not want constructive input then dont post. my answer was not offensive yet you question my answer. fair enough we all try things out, i have in the past 7 years of water fed pole use. i guess there was some other posts that were removed, but i feel you jumped at mine even though you were wrong
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if you do not want constructive input then dont post. my answer was not offensive yet you question my answer. fair enough we all try things out, i have in the past 7 years of water fed pole use. i guess there was some other posts that were removed, but i feel you jumped at mine even though you were wrong
I don't think I jumped at you at all, mate. Sorry if you felt I did - I honestly did not. It was the other numptyby replies that weren't called for.
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Why 'O' Why do people knock those who try????
Stop and think for a while before hitting your keyboards, If it wasn't for guy's like Mr Tumble, Discount window cleaning (clive) and a few others on here, who have the balls to try something different for the benefit of us all, then we would all still be up ladders with shammy's.
We now know, through Mr Tumble not to try white spirits, what will the next person try? Or should I say ''have the balls to try'' coffee, urine, Lemon Juice? Who knows, but the answer to getting rid of phobic glass is out there somewhere, so give these guy's a break and a bit of encouragement before knocking them, unless your prepared to try something new for the benefit of us all.
Thank you Mr T. ;)
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Jeff, if that's aimed at me then i'm not knocking Mr Tumble, i'm telling him that if he's put white spirit in his tank and pumped it through his pole hose it's going to stay there for ever - it's going to coat the inside of his tank and hose and will be next to impossible to remove it's as simple as that. There was no name calling no raised eyes just facts. I doubted the post because i couldn't believe someone would try adding it to water. I can't believe you of all people with your regard for health and safety would encourage people to try different toxic solvents in their systems and spray them about on possible unsuspecting customers properties.
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the best bet now would be to fill the tank add a detergent then flush it through loads of times to clear the white spirit
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Jeff, if that's aimed at me then i'm not knocking Mr Tumble, i'm telling him that if he's put white spirit in his tank and pumped it through his pole hose it's going to stay there for ever - it's going to coat the inside of his tank and hose and will be next to impossible to remove it's as simple as that. There was no name calling no raised eyes just facts. I doubted the post because i couldn't believe someone would try adding it to water. I can't believe you of all people with your regard for health and safety would encourage people to try different toxic solvents in their systems and spray them about on possible unsuspecting customers properties.
No not at all, my post is not aimed at anyone inpaticular, and I'm not on about white spirits as such, my main reason for my post is to give the guy's who try for the benefit of us all a boost, and to remind anyone why these guy's try different things and methods for the benefit of us all.
Loads of people do things against H&S, so using toxic resins, I do not encourage, My main reason is Guy's are trying to help us.
I personally would not have tried white spirits but I'm glad Mr T had the Balls to do it for all to see,
perhaps later on he could respond with the results and maybe damage caused by using white spirit to his pump and system.
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The worrying thing is that someone somewhere is going to chuck something potentially damaging in his system and encourage someone on here to do the same and start spraying it all over the country. We are mostly just windowcleaners not scientists - why dabble with things we don't understand? The system already works on hydrophobic and hydrophyllic glass does it not? Leave the chemical concoctions for the big boys to sort out first.
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Jeff,
some of us have thick skin, I really dont mind getting knocked at all it makes me do it more and learn from what is said (there are a few people that add nothing and knock loads) but thats the same for everywhere in the world online or off, I tend not to take in these types of peoples comments because they will always be the same.
for all that help window cleaners................ GOOD ON YOU ;D
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It's an opinion Ian, i have the utmost respect for Jeff, he doesn't need a thick skin.
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Hi Ian
I never give a negitive comment to knock someone, if you read my post its not aimed at anyone, sometimes the writen word, does not come out the same as if you said it face to face, where you can sit and explain yourself more clearly.
I encourage anyone who tries to help others, I may have a little joke with some, but I try to stay possitive to encourage others who are trying to help us, it doesn't matter if they get it right or wrong, there trying to help.
My skin is as thick as a rino's Lol
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It's an opinion Ian, i have the utmost respect for Jeff, he doesn't need a thick skin.
I was not aiming at you or anyone. I respect people opinion if I think its wrong I say.
I respect everyone if they show disrespect to me then I can change, allways been the same.
I like reading other opinions if they have a point to them