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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: poleman on July 12, 2008, 08:57:05 pm
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I have only heard bad things about window cleaning canvassing companies! Mostly from forums, now I am looking for more work and I recently tried contacting 2 WC local that was selling up, after weeks of trying the work had gone!
Now It’s not an option for myself to get out and canvass, so I have been seriously thinking of getting in a canvassing company, has anyone used the below companies for WFP and found you was happy with them! Or any feedback please
Andy
www.rounddevelopers.co.uk/index.html
h ttp://cleaner-marketing.blogspot.com/
www.doorknockers-gb.com/
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Andy...i have contacted rounddevelopers and they are coming to me in september.I previously on three occassions used doorknockers without great success,i gave them the benefit of the doubt on the first two occassions,but third time was a disaster for me.
I have also used my own canvassers,but to be honest they just didn't perform.
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best way is to get out there and do it yourself. Whenever you have a quiet day mark out you diary for canvassing. Why buy work when you can sell work?
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To be able to sell work you will need someone to buy the work....which is what Andy is trying to do??
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Tried that and lost out. Canvassers are out there for one reason to make money of our backs, as are yellow pages. Better to get out there and sell your services....
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I use roundbuilders, built me 90% of my round. I dont think they are taking on anymore new customers for domestic rounds at the moment as they are booked until the end of the year looking after existing and booked new customers, thats what i was told last week. But Gemma did say they still have places for commercial canvassing?
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Have you got a link to their website please?
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I have never used a canvassing company and to be honest haven't really done much canvassing over the years as I prefer to leaflet. I am still getting replies to leaflets I dropped years ago.
Poleman you say canvassing is not an option for you. Can I ask why?
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"There were very few problems, but when they did arise Steve dealt with them quickly and fairly, "
Taken from the website
Says it all really, why advertise you have problems, is it because there WILL be problems so you are forewarned ?
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Have you got a link to their website please?
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Its above you ;)
Andy
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As much as I would like to canvass my self its really not a option, because of my health, doing a days work and paper work in the evening
It would seem Door Knockers and def a company not to use, and they was the ones that I heard bad things about
Which leaves me with two, and roundbuilders are booked up to the end of the year, which is no good to me as I need the work in by the end of Aug, so it only remains h ttp://cleaner-marketing.blogspot.com has anyone used this company before! if so feed back would be great!
Andy
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As much as I would like to canvass my self its really not a option, because of my health, doing a days work and paper work in the evening
It would seem Door Knockers and def a company not to use, and they was the ones that I heard bad things about
Which leaves me with two, and roundbuilders are booked up to the end of the year, which is no good to me as I need the work in by the end of Aug, so it only remains h ttp://cleaner-marketing.blogspot.com has anyone used this company before! if so feed back would be great!
Andy
I have used door knockers and did not have a problem I also know others that use them and they are happy also. I did ask another to get work but they never got back to me which I find rude ::) so I just bought a round instead.
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Ian which one didnt get back to you!
Andy
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Ian which one didnt get back to you!
Andy
roundbuilders the ones that used to work for door knockers
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I didnt know this! ok big thanks ;)
Andy
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Do you mean ROUND DEVELOPERS used to work for doorknockers....he never told me that after i was talking to him????
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Do you mean ROUND DEVELOPERS used to work for doorknockers....he never told me that after i was talking to him????
never heard of round developers
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who are roundbuilders then....cant find them anywhere???
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i have used door knockers on and off for the last 2 years. although i have had a couple of issues every now and then, they have always sorted it out and i kept going back so i would say that is a recomendation in its self. i have tried to mould thier service to the way i wanted it done...that didn't work. but the work i have got is very good so now i really leave it up to them and let them have pretty much free rein.
i understand how much work i have and how much i hold onto long term. i can see how people will think its either a waste of money or something that they can do themselves but i guess it depends on how big your business is and where your time is more valued. i wouldn't knock doors, i concentrate on growing my business and for the inital investment of 2x 1 monthly clean is a good investment and is helping to grow my business on a monthly basis. i have £750 pcm of new work to fit in this week along with all my other work.
i have had 5 cancellations before i've even started but that is the name of the game from sorting the wheat from the chaf! i have just learned to be patient with paul bass at door knockers because things do sort themselves out in the end. it works for me and i guess i can see how it would not work for others because i very nearly went down that route. after a lot of thought i realised that it is good for my business and i intend to use them a lot more as well on an on going basis
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Which leaves me with two, and roundbuilders are booked up to the end of the year,
Andy
You will have to check, but that is what i was told last week with reference to there domestic canvassing. There website is www.roundbuilders.com
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steve i guess your ltd?? if so how do you go with putting vat on residential customers??? i pressume the work canvassed is residential?
Im getting close to the threshold and it worries me about the vat and the residential customers
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i have just returned your email Ronnie ;)
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thanks! :)
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Andy i can put you in touch with the guy i use local to you in bournemouth he only charges face value and the work is well priced
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www.rounddevelopers.co.uk
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Andy i can put you in touch with the guy i use local to you in bournemouth he only charges face value and the work is well priced
Paulro
I wouldnt mind speaking to him as well mate ( im also in Poole) if you can mail me his contact details
Thanks Dave
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never heard of round developers
Its a very good company,,i used steve about a year or 2 ago ,
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OMG where do I start! so there is four canvassing compaies now :-\
Paulro, can you ring me ASAP on 07814678639 I might know the chap! is his name James!
Andy
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no
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advertise for your own canvasser in your local rag , after 2 ads ive found a great fella , just been over to pay him for last weeks work and he,s picked up another £178.00 of new work for this week regards alan
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Do you show them how to canvas?
The reason i use canvassing companies is coz i am crap at doorknocking,so i couldn't really show someone else how to do it.
Also do you pay them after the first clean or up front?
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Which of the 2 firms has the women that deals with things,i`ve heard she`s very good and knows what she`s on about,someone on here recommended her before.
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Which of the 2 firms has the women that deals with things,i`ve heard she`s very good and knows what she`s on about,someone on here recommended her before.
Roundbuilders is the company that i use, and they are all women. They have built most of my rounds, been using them to canvass for commercial work as well, picked up some nice contracts. Got them to do all the admin side as well, send out packs, letters ect to potential customers. Just about to put another van and guy on the road as we speak, so from my personal point of view i can highly recommend them. Did speak to gemma today and she did confirm that she was booked up untill the end of the year for domestic canvassing, but can take on more tele canvassing. :)
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Which of the 2 firms has the women that deals with things,i`ve heard she`s very good and knows what she`s on about,someone on here recommended her before.
Roundbuilders is the company that i use, and they are all women. They have built most of my rounds, been using them to canvass for commercial work as well, picked up some nice contracts. Got them to do all the admin side as well, send out packs, letters ect to potential customers. Just about to put another van and guy on the road as we speak, so from my personal point of view i can highly recommend them. Did speak to gemma today and she did confirm that she was booked up untill the end of the year for domestic canvassing, but can take on more tele canvassing. :)
Cheers Mate,Gemma that was it.
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Which of the 2 firms has the women that deals with things,i`ve heard she`s very good and knows what she`s on about,someone on here recommended her before.
Roundbuilders is the company that i use, and they are all women. They have built most of my rounds, been using them to canvass for commercial work as well, picked up some nice contracts. Got them to do all the admin side as well, send out packs, letters ect to potential customers. Just about to put another van and guy on the road as we speak, so from my personal point of view i can highly recommend them. Did speak to gemma today and she did confirm that she was booked up untill the end of the year for domestic canvassing, but can take on more tele canvassing. :)
Thats good hear a canvassing company doing a good job
Paulro, can you contact me by email contact@smart-cleaning.com or give me a ring, would be really appreciated mate :)
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they dont work... crap work, lots of cancellations, due to high pressues tactics....
and you cant beat getting your own customers from the offset and servicing them, in your own way.....
canvassers are doing a job, and fair play, but over the years i have worked with them andin my experience, they will put on any kind of work for you...good , bad .. indifferent... as long as they to the figure or percentage they need, its job done for them...... and you have paid them....... yet its you... who are left to pick up the pieces...
and thats what it is .... pieces.
choose your own quality work.
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they dont work... crap work, lots of cancellations, due to high pressues tactics....
and you cant beat getting your own customers from the offset and servicing them, in your own way.....
canvassers are doing a job, and fair play, but over the years i have worked with them andin my experience, they will put on any kind of work for you...good , bad .. indifferent... as long as they to the figure or percentage they need, its job done for them...... and you have paid them....... yet its you... who are left to pick up the pieces...
and thats what it is .... pieces.
choose your own quality work.
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Why dont you give him a hand ? Or maybe you are . . . . . . chicken ? You talk the talk , but can you walk the walk ? :-X
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they dont work... crap work, lots of cancellations, due to high pressues tactics....
and you cant beat getting your own customers from the offset and servicing them, in your own way.....
canvassers are doing a job, and fair play, but over the years i have worked with them andin my experience, they will put on any kind of work for you...good , bad .. indifferent... as long as they to the figure or percentage they need, its job done for them...... and you have paid them....... yet its you... who are left to pick up the pieces...
and thats what it is .... pieces.
choose your own quality work.
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So which company did you have the bad service from! if you dont wont to say on a open forum then your more than welcome to email me at contact@smart-cleaning.com
Andy
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Which of the 2 firms has the women that deals with things,i`ve heard she`s very good and knows what she`s on about,someone on here recommended her before.
it's roundbuilders
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Andy i can put you in touch with the guy i use local to you in bournemouth he only charges face value and the work is well priced
Hi Paul, good to chat on the phone today, and will phone this chap tomorow with thanks :)
Here is the link I talked about, hope it helps ;) www.taxcentral.co.uk/taxcentral/home/vat/vatcalculator/default.asp
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Why dont you give him a hand ? Or maybe you are . . . . . . chicken ? You talk the talk , but can you walk the walk ? :-X
You really do talk utter nonsense,... i have been in sales years ... and each company i have worked for, use canvassers,
it does not matter what they canvass, they reach there targets any way they can.... if they put on any old customer, its job done for them..... then we.... the people they have done it for.... are left to sort out the good and the bad... and its mainly bad.... in fact at most, the good can work out as little as 30%....,
thats not to say some dont do better than others.....( in this game..).... but why should it be any different to any other type of canvassing?..... i aint having a go at them , as they are fast talking people, who work hard to get to the figures they need to stay in a job... like i said .. fair play to them...
but you cant beat going out there and getting your own customers.
That was my point.
as for your comments regarding chicken, well all i can say is , i cant imagine why you would think of such an absurd statement, perhaps you should have left that comment in the playground.
i hope you get my opinion this time, if not , please let me know and i will try and spell it in your language..
Oh by the way, i have done my share of canvassing over the years , so i have walked the walk..(as you call it)... and its hard work , so i dont knock people quite as easily as you appear to,
but as i said, its better to get your own.
Seems to be a lot of new people on here lately.
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Why dont you give him a hand ? Or maybe you are . . . . . . chicken ? You talk the talk , but can you walk the walk ? :-X
You really do talk utter nonsense,... i have been in sales years ... and each company i haveworked for use canvassers,
it does not matter what they canvass, they reach there targets any way they can.... if they put any old customer, its job done for them..... then we.... the people they have done it, for are left to sort out the good and the bad... and its mainly bad.... in fact at most, tghe good can work out as little as 30%....
thats not to say some dont do better than others in this game...... but why should it be any different to any other type of canvassing?..... i aint having a go at them as they are fast talking people, who work hard to get to the figures they need to stay in a job... like i said .. fair play to them...
but you cant beat going out there and getting your own customers.
That was my point.
as for your comments regarding chicken, well all i can say is , i cant imagine why you would think of such an absurd statement, perhaps you should have left that comment in the playground.
i hope you get my opinion this time, if not , please let me know and i will try and spell it in your language..
Oh by the way, i have done my share of canvassing over the years , so i have walked the walk..(as you call it)... and its hard work so i dont knock people quite as easily as you appear to,
but as i said its better to get your own.
Seems to be a lot of new people on here lately.
You are what we call in the trade . . . . . . All mouth and no trousrers ! You keep quoting how good you were in sales , yet you are asking advice from strangers how to clean windows ! Yes I am new as you call it , but when I suggested you help a fellow forum member you went all mental and defensive ! I can help you if you ask , but you dont half talk a lot of crepes ! They are by the way a tasty snack 8)
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And yes my grammer is poor !
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You have lost me... i simply have not a clue what you are talking about, i really dont ::)
i have canvassed my own round , and built it myself....... as for strangers, and how to clean windows..... when.. where...
this is a valuable forum to me and many others, when i first started i asked lots and lots of questions on here,
and since i built my round with the advice from these guys, i thought i would post that fact... that its much , much better.
now ... why did you ask me if i wanted your help... your posts baffle me.
God help new starters with comments like yours.
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Sorry Poleman.
i just wanted to help.
Good luck mate ;)
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Gazzasp8
you say there seems to be a lot of new people on here at the moment !
Its called a FORUM not a closed shop.
Open your mind !!
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Just trying to help ! No more no less !
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By the way , we have one mouth and two ears for a reason !
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Chaps dont turn a Informative post into mindless arguing ::)
Andy
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"There were very few problems, but when they did arise Steve dealt with them quickly and fairly, "
Taken from the website
Says it all really, why advertise you have problems, is it because there WILL be problems so you are forewarned ?
hi there Steve from Rounddevelopers. Im pretty tired of hearing all the negativity from people that have never used my company. To clarify ive never worked for anyone before, doorknockers or anyone else out there.
I was a window cleaner that ran a successful company who decided after selling due to not being able to find reliable staff, that setting rounds up for people suited my personality better.
I put this particular quote on my site to show that canvassing is not an exact science. I obviously could of said i was the all singing pied piper of window cleaning and there are never any problems that arise. The company in question lost about £30.00 worth of monthly work out of £400 due to the customer changing their mind and not bad canvassing due to trying to acheive a sale. The cancelled jobs were replaced the next time i worked for this company without a quibble. There is a great difference from bad canvassing and human nature, where the customer changes their mind, rather than being sold a load of nonsense. I stick to what you my customer is looking for and if a cancelled job does arise its replaced, simple as that. Reading your previous posts Dave i know you are not going to use my service as you like to buy your rounds established. Thats fair enough, but why tar everyone with the same brush that operates in my field. We are not all the same, looking to make a quick buck out of you. I offer a decent, honourable service and feel slightly offended you want to quote my website without even having a conversation with me.There are people out there that take pride in what they do and all i can see on this forum is that we are the villains without you even having used my service.
yoy have my website address, why not contact me for a frank discussion.
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Right for 1 id never use Doorknockers again used them about 2 years ago ,,they got me some work and all was well,,,
they then went back to the same area and knocked on the same doors for another company i dont find this far after id payed them ..
i then used a company called www.rounddevelopers.co.uk i found steve very pro ,never had any trouble with his work and will carry on useing him ,,
there are so many members on here who are willing to put people down without trying them ,
if anyone on here wants to talk about this company on what they are like please email me on info@cleanandshinemk.co.uk
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I previously used doorknockers as well to my detriment.... :'(
I have had a good conversation with Steve from rounddevelopers in the past couple of weeks and this guy is much more professional in his attitude towards his customers.I have him sorted for september/october so will post the results when it happens.
I dont understand how anyone can slag a service or company off that they have not used previously...
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Ok, well that is good to hear feed back, was the canvess done for trad or WFP reason I ask is that it can be harder to get more work (WFP) because of access issues, type of windows, flat roofs, ete as this was the heart of the problem with doorknockers as the sucess rate was a lot lower of trad window cleaner, and the words of paul bass...my team was demoralised!
Andy
PS Please dont arguing, lets keep it Informative, as I am sure you might have a need for this service one day!
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Ok, well that is good to hear feed back, was the canvess done for trad or WFP reason I ask is that it can be harder to get more work (WFP) because of access issues, type of windows, flat roofs, ete as this was the heart of the problem with doorknockers as the sucess rate was a lot lower of trad window cleaner, and the words of paul bass...my team was demoralised!
Andy
Are saying its harder to get more work WFP than Trad?
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Yes I am, regarding access issues, being able to park outside, type of windows, flaky frames, anodised frames ete
Andy
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Oh right! It depends on the type of houses you want canvassed.
When i first started using the company, i stipulated areas and types of houses and what i would like as a minimum price. So say it was £20.00 plus that was what i got, but i did get the few that was less, but the work was in the same area, so why turn it away. I get one offs as well, and sometimes lead into other work, again money is money. They know about access ect, if it was difficult they would charge a few quid more, ie lots of bins down the side of a house, windows over conservatories, car ports ect ect. The thing is you have to trail the company that you are going to use, i did and found the one that was best for me. You have to have a little give and take, work together ect. I can say that out of all the work i have had canvassed, i have not lost one customer, only due to them moving out of the area. I have accepted all work that was canvassed as well. I like some of the difficult houses as they are good money earners as nobody else wants to do them. I had canvassed 6 new jobs on a new development a few months back, where some of the house is wfp van mount, some is back pack, and some is trad, all on same house. I dont care as its all money and it all has to be pre arranged a few days before.
So what im saying is lay down the rules that you want, prices, areas ect, get a couple of companies on a trail and see who is best for you!
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Gazzasp8
you say there seems to be a lot of new people on here at the moment !
Its called a FORUM not a closed shop.
Open your mind !!
oh dear,you have missed the point too.. i tried to help poleman... got silly reply , its called helping someone who posted... to be called a chicken, and the rest is not really anything to do with anything posted ....
i opened my mind and tried to be constructive...... and yes its a forum and people want to help...
but its the first time i have been pulled to bits for giving an opinion.. and so i say again , lots of new people on here ... thats a good thing, what we surely dont need is someone coming on to start arguments. by the way ... how does pulling someone to bits , class as trying to help, no more no less.
thats my lot on this subject. lol.....
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Gazzasp8
you say there seems to be a lot of new people on here at the moment !
Its called a FORUM not a closed shop.
Open your mind !!
oh dear,you have missed the point too.. i tried to help poleman... got silly reply , its called helping someone who posted... to be called a chicken, and the rest is not really anything to do with anything posted ....
i opened my mind and tried to be constructive...... and yes its a forum and people want to help...
but its the first time i have been pulled to bits for giving an opinion.. and so i say again , lots of new people on here ... thats a good thing, what we surely dont need is someone coming on to start arguments. by the way ... how does pulling someone to bits , class as trying to help, no more no less.
thats my lot on this subject. lol.....
Pint of worthingtons says you will give another post ?
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