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Title: Housing Associations
Post by: DASERVICES on July 06, 2008, 11:29:02 am
Does anyone do these, never realised how much money is involved.

Just going through all my emails and a tender worth £3m just for window cleaning :o :o

Way to big for me though involved over 1000 properties accross England.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: mr D on July 06, 2008, 11:37:03 am
i do a couple of blocks from a housing assoiation. retired ressadents only mind. there sound as a pound but get new tenders in every year they have to because there mainly gov funded so mind your self. cant get away with big price incresses.

also not to worry about but do get alot of old girls complane 'youve missed one' because there insides are so dirty with smoke and cooking grease, but you have to be very carefull not to upset then coz they have nothing to do all day but moan to the assosiation!
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: cvdewsbury on July 06, 2008, 11:53:44 am
the good days are comming to an end with the hous.associations.

anyone working with AnC***  will know  £750,000.000 is the min.amount of t/over over a 3yr period required as a small part of the tender qualification process..

I have completed 5/6 jobs over the last 10yrs but will not be tendering for them this yr,so chaps be aware if someone trys to sell you some of this kind of work on as it could be worthless unless you meet the t/over requirements.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: DASERVICES on July 06, 2008, 12:13:01 pm
That was the company ;)

Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: wightsurf on July 06, 2008, 05:35:18 pm
so how do you go about finding if there is any contracts in my area
Thanks
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: windowwashers on July 06, 2008, 05:38:33 pm
so how do you go about finding if there is any contracts in my area
Thanks
I would go to the offices in sandown over the road from cash & carry i think that is there offices
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: newbroom on July 06, 2008, 05:44:13 pm
The rules on tendering for local authority tenders changed last October, what was happening was the the same old companies i.e, the big boys were getting all the work. Now  they will look at smaller firms they are more concerned with your ability to look after the contract than your turnover.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: STEVE-UK on July 06, 2008, 06:02:02 pm
oh anchor housing lol!! ;D
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: DASERVICES on July 06, 2008, 06:02:20 pm
I've seen a change in Council Tenders as well with the smaller companies now starting to win them, for example Angus Council. See the huge difference below between the big boys and the smaller companies.

Contract                                                             Tender amount       Corrected amount
NIC Services Group Ltd, Leeds                               £4,857.30                £4,857.30
ABC Window Cleaning Services, Dundee                £5,580.00                £5,859.00
MITIE Olscot Ltd, Loanhead, Midlothian                 £16,873.30              £16,873.35
A J Craig & Son Industrial Cleaners Ltd, Dundee   £17,370.00              Not Checked

NIC however lost the contract as they did not clean the buildings, probably because they quoted too low.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: matt on July 06, 2008, 06:09:02 pm
I've seen a change in Council Tenders as well with the smaller companies now starting to win them, for example Angus Council. See the huge difference below between the big boys and the smaller companies.

Contract                                                             Tender amount       Corrected amount
NIC Services Group Ltd, Leeds                               £4,857.30                £4,857.30
ABC Window Cleaning Services, Dundee                £5,580.00                £5,859.00
MITIE Olscot Ltd, Loanhead, Midlothian                 £16,873.30              £16,873.35
A J Craig & Son Industrial Cleaners Ltd, Dundee   £17,370.00              Not Checked

NIC however lost the contract as they did not clean the buildings, probably because they quoted too low.

what a difference

4 K - 17 K  :o :o
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: wightsurf on July 06, 2008, 07:55:55 pm
are'nt  the council and housing association two different things when it comes to contracts  ??? Also i seem to be getting contracts from high schools through a direct approach of which i would have thought this would be through the council. Or is this just the isle.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: matt on July 06, 2008, 10:34:09 pm
are'nt  the council and housing association two different things when it comes to contracts  ??? Also i seem to be getting contracts from high schools through a direct approach of which i would have thought this would be through the council. Or is this just the isle.

different things the council and housing associations, though the council might have sold the housing stock to the housing assoc

many schools have opted ut of council control and now decided how to spend the money they get
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: trevor perry on July 07, 2008, 05:29:02 pm
when i applied to be put on anchors interest to tender i was told it was to late as you had to notify them before beginning of june even though the contract doesnt start till next april. ???
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: jmb on July 07, 2008, 06:54:17 pm
anyone working with AnC***  will know  £750,000.000 is the min.amount of t/over over a 3yr period required as a small part of the tender qualification process.


this bit is wrong as we thought the same as yourself when we tendered and qualified for the £750k for the 3 years, but when i phoned them to find out the reasons why we wernt selected it seemed alot of people got this bit wrong and you had to turn over atleast £750k a year  :(
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: cvdewsbury on July 07, 2008, 07:10:29 pm
anyone working with AnC***  will know  £750,000.000 is the min.amount of t/over over a 3yr period required as a small part of the tender qualification process.


this bit is wrong as we thought the same as yourself when we tendered and qualified for the £750k for the 3 years, but when i phoned them to find out the reasons why we wernt selected it seemed alot of people got this bit wrong and you had to turn over atleast £750k a year  :(

I haven,t lost any sleep over them....its only 3/4 years ago they completed their approved list of contractors .. times change quickly...probability the big boys will get the contacts and the quality of service will suffer.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: jmb on July 07, 2008, 07:24:53 pm
was thinking exactly the same tbh.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: williamx on July 07, 2008, 07:41:01 pm
I applied for a tender, they said that they only wanted local tradesmen and that quality rather than cost was the main factor in offering the contract to the sucessful companies.

The contract went to companies that are 120 miles away who are going to sub-contract the work out to unknown companies, and the price was higher than mine. >:(

I smell a back hander 
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: Dale Smith on July 08, 2008, 04:52:55 pm
All,

I have had a housing association approach us via our website & ask if we are interested in tendering for their properties today.
The nearest thing we do to this is one nursing home we do every 6 wks, and it does not compare does it...
They are asking me to tender for 89 different properties...I have been sent details....how do I do it?
Do you go to each & price them? After this do you put in your price for the whole 89?
Give us a clue lads/lasses.... ???
If we get this I will be changing my avatar..... ;D

Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: cvdewsbury on July 08, 2008, 05:45:50 pm
which company is it for is it for the above mentioned A**ho*   if so do you have the necessary t/o qualification?
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: Dale Smith on July 08, 2008, 05:53:07 pm
No its not them, its a local company to me in North Wilts.
They have approached us via our website & asked if we would like to tender
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: mark dew on July 08, 2008, 08:26:35 pm
No its not them, its a local company to me in North Wilts.
They have approached us via our website & asked if we would like to tender

Just had a look at your website. You 2 have done really well in the space of a year.
Good kit, decent website and some training paperwork to wave about.
Fair play to you.
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: Glyn H on July 08, 2008, 09:03:13 pm
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£750,000.000 is the min.amount of t/over over a 3yr period required as a small part of the tender qualification process..

Are you sure its 750 million?
If so their are only two or three contractors achieving this
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: jmb on July 08, 2008, 09:41:57 pm
glyn, thats seven hundred and fifty thousand i think  :)

doesnt a million have another number on it?
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: Dale Smith on July 08, 2008, 10:52:47 pm
Thanks Mark.. ;D
Ian (windowwashers) has given me some pointers on this enquiry/tender, so will be following some of his advice when I go for it  ;)
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: Glyn H on July 08, 2008, 11:49:33 pm
£750,000 = seven hundred and fifty thousand
£750,000.000 = Seven hundred and fifty million

If it is £750,000 thats not a big turnover over three years at all - their are 1000s of window cleaning companies doing that amount
Title: Re: Housing Associations
Post by: jmb on July 09, 2008, 11:27:42 am
its £750,000 a year, not over 3 year (wish it was over 3 years though :()

it did look on the contract though that it was over 3 years.