Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ged on June 16, 2008, 07:37:16 am
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It says on the container not to use on flags. Anyone know why cos it seems to work fine on mine.
Ged
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Was about to ask the question myself also how hard does the sand set
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It drys rock hard,i`ve used it twice on flags and got away with it( i hope),only just noticed it says not to on the bottle,it might stain in some cases do you think and the makers are covering themselves,don`t think i`ll risk it again,ha ha.It`s boss stuff for sand joints though.I won`t sleep tonight now you`ve brought that to my attention,i`ll nip round to custys at light and take a peek,ha ha,dan
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this keybond stuff, which looks to me like pva, smells like pva and is probably pva sets the sand but retains its elastic properties, which is good. try addding a 6;1 solution to a cup of kiln dried sand and leave for 24 hours and you will see what i mean. it aint rock hard but is still flexible and wont wash or blow out. i think it's a darn site cheaper than using acrylic or polyeurethane sealers and although it doesn,t enhance the appearance of the blocks it certainly seem s to stabilize the joints.
Ged
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Any idea why you can`t use it on flags ged?
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used it on flags on my drive. seems fine. so can't see why they don.t recommend it for flags.
regards
Ged
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sounds good sh*t this stuff, cheaper than sealants, how much was it again?
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Just rang marshalls tech help team , They say can leave round stains on flags as it pools in middle due to larger surface area than concrete block paves ,Should only be used they say on concrete paves .
Perhaps they put to much on thats why it pools,Ime going to try to put some on some some old slabs for a test.
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when i did mine i just sprayed the joints so no pooling
ged
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Will try same with fine mist.
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Checked flags i had done and they were fine,the difference to block joints after applying keybond is un believable,rock solid.
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If you did get staining surely you could jet it off with it only being water based?
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Im not sure how the keybond changes as it drys as ived not used it only going on what marshalls have said but will try it myself also see how it goes
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I would urge some caution here guys,
There is most likely plenty of jobs you could use it on and it would be fine, then theres one when it does stain. If its a customers and you cant undo it your in the canoe twiddling your thumbs.
There must be a valid reason that they dont recommend it for concrete flags etc and that reason is likely to be that they dont want being claimed against,
steve
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Its hard stuuff to find,just ordered 10 bottles off the only place i know who stock it.£330
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were you get it dandandan? is it that good this keybond then?
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Beesley and Fyldes,don`t know if they are nationwide though,i have put a bit down on last 3 jobs,just in the corner when i started sanding and told custy to press it with finger in an hour or so and then press a bit i haven`t put it on,every one told me to do the hole job,it costs roughly £6 a litre and i charge £12 a litre laid,i would do it for cost to be honest as i know sand s not going anywere when it rains,no weeds or ants for a good while either,keep it to ourselves though,ha ha
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do you use it straight or diluted? do you just resand the drive and pour it on straight out of a watering can with a fine rose? does it not matter if you put more on in one spot than another?
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You add one litre of gear to 5 litres of water so you get 35 litres from 5 litre bottle,bang it all over with watering can(fine rose).I`ve threw it down and it`s been perfect.You`ll poop when you first do it cos it`s like emulsion paint but it drys in 30 mins if it`s dry and warm,i`ve puddled it in places and theres been no problem as it doesn`t sit on block like it can on flags,gonna stick to block only now though after warnings on site,dan
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do you need to wear a mask like with sealants? does it smell? how long does it last. ???
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No smell,no fumes,it`s like milk,don`t know how long it lasts,i`m new to it myself,should imagine to up till next cleaning as it bonds the sand to the sides of the block,it`s that cheap and easy so i`m not bothered really.
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hi again dan dan dan, are you using wicks own joint stabilser or marshalls keybond? went into wicks but they only had their own stuff, not sure its as good as marshalls stuff, also i know 1 litre makes 35 litres mixed but what if you put too much in by mistake, will it just soak in anyway or will it ruin the driveway? was going to use a watering can and rose to apply it, how much stuff per watering can? it says 1 litre of mixed will cover 7.5 m2 of blocks?? is this correct? you mix 1 part of keybond to 6 parts of water it says also. ??? ??? just hope it soaks in in case i do it wrong. cheers,
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may do that, ::)
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yes im splashing the cash, getting a big van and hot washer, hope i dont go bust :o :o :o
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where is dandandan?? ???
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Sorry been on hols,i use wicks and marshalls they`re the same stuff,i have a watering can which holds 9 litres so i use a plastic measuring jug to add 1 and a half litres of bond to a full can,i just lash it down and make sure whole jobs covered,done 2 jobs today,both had keybond after seeing test area,used ibottle on each job and charged £100 on top of each job,took 15 mins a job.I want to know how long it last,i have told custys it should be ok till next spring when another clean is due ;)
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thanks dandandan, that sounds good ;D
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first keybond job done, used marshalls, went on like emulsion, but dried in after 10 mins, the key is to sand it dead neat so you dont have any stuff on surface, just hope it sets hard, when i left itlooked great,
the job was around 70 to 80 sq metres, iused the whole 5 litre can of keybond,
had a 9 litre watering can like dandandan and used 1.5 litres of keybond per watering can, only got just over 4 full watering cans out of 5 litres.
is this correct dandandan???? ???
it says on tin 1 litre of diluted keybond does 7.5 sq metres but i dont think so!!
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i agree . no way can be applied at the rate it says even by a sprayer but it is still a good bet
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Thats right 4 cans per bottle,i race round the border to do a frame round job then start swinging can left to right moving backwards down job,that way i don`t splash up doors,borders and walls,it won`t make joints over 5mm hard remember so were there are curves or circles in the block the thick wedge shaped sand joints will stay soft..I done another one today and jetted a house roof to get the old roof tiles the same colour as the new extension ones,neighbour wants his doing,only the lower overhanging roof,they want to rent a cherry picker to do main roof as well,got to be money in that game.Dan
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haver you seen the roof rotary washers on mosmatic.com? they look awesome dan ;)
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I`ll have a look,i`d like a hoover with an attachment that reaches a gutter to suck the crap out,one you can attach to your pole and do job from the ground,can you get them?Dan
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just the ticket dan, take a look at these babies - www.omnipole.com
look at theit gutter vacs, let us know what you think they look awesome!!
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Cracker website,which gutter vac is best value do you think?The cheapest?Merrills website is a goodun,www.mypressurewashers.com,have a twitch at that,thanks Dan
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think it will only suck out dry stuff cant imagine it suckin out compacted dirt that you get in gutters, :o it needs to suck like the mrs :o i wish ;D