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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dd on June 10, 2008, 09:05:01 pm
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When using ally ladders trad (mostly used wooden) or aluminum wfp always noticed I got grey/black hands from the aluminum.
My understanding is this is absorbed through the skin into the bloodstream, so over time (years) this could become a problem as aluminum is toxic and is stored in the brain and bones.
Aluminum poisoning can lead to dementia and a softening of the bones amongst other things.
Glad I don't use ally poles or ladders too regularly as I believe this is a long term risk to health.
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there goes my health then, when i spend a day on ladders my hands are caked in alloy???
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The trouble is it is a long term health risk, may be 20 or 30 years down the line before results are evident.
Government departments are very good at denying or playing down health risks because there is no "proof".
I don't know how high the risk is from aluminum poisoning, but I believe there is one. Aluminum is toxic, I get black/grey hands from ally pole or ladders. Common sense tells you...?
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It is true but....
Yes the demented brain has aluminium in it. So they said don't use ali saucepans etc. This doesn't help because healthy people don't absorb it, those with the condition do.
For example the opposite is older females losing bone mass. No amount of drinking milk will help.
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Absortion of aluminum will be prevented/diminished by a healthy diet and possibly other factors e.g. genetic. How healthy is everyones diet and should we expose ourselves to handling aluminum 7 hours a day, 5 days a week?
I am trying to highlight a potential long term health risk for some.
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A friend of mine had this problem , and one of his custys ( a Dr ) advised him to use a barrier cream ;D
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A friend of mine had this problem , and one of his custys ( a Dr ) advised him to use a barrier cream ;D
i was gonna suggest that too. i used to be a litho printer and several people i worked with suffered from dermititus through abrasians and cuts on their hands whilst handling inks n chemicals, barrier cream was something i always used to prevent it, may have to get some now i'm using my supa doopa new harris pole ;D
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I'm more concerned of spray deodorants, the stuff that you breath in is NOT good for you. They took a scan of my uncle's lungs, and they found loads of Aluminium in his lungs, he has always used those sprays. It was something in that direction anyway.
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The jury is still out on the aluminium debate. But it may be wise to take sensible precautions. You can ALWAYS rely on ther department of health for good up-to-date advice.
Two government reports in the same week (i) highlighted the danger of taking vitamins and (ii) indicated that depleted uranium doesn't pose a health risk.
Therefore, feed yourself and family on breakfast cereal with added uranium.
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The absorbsion of metal occurs on any contact with metal, earings, rings, piercings, coper / lead in drinking water....
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The safest way to use aluminium poles is if they are anodized (like the Powerpoles). This seals in the raw aluminium.
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18 years up and down aluminium ladders and no problems so far....
...Sorry what was this topic about? :-[
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im sure health and safty would have pointed this out if it were true
Watch this space....... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously, though as long as you are fit and healthy you really have nothing to worry about. Ali is a naturally occuring element in the earth's make up and is found in food air and water. Just look around your house and see how much ali is used in utensils, appliances. deodorants etc etc. If you don't want to risk putting more into your body, the wear gloves ;D ;D
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The jury was out on lead paint for years, the same with arsenic in make up.
Asbestos was the big one, the wonder material of the future.
spray deoderants containing aluminium is a big no no
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We are all exposed to a wide range of potentially harmful chemicals in the environment through modern living.
But if you use e.g. a harris pole regulary you would surely put yourself at some risk because of constant prolonged contact year on year.
My observations are from getting grey/black hands when using an aluminum pole or ladders. (I have a tucker pole and a stream pole but mostly use fibreglass).
Aluminum is toxic, there are no health/nutrional benefits from it.
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As a window cleaner; falls from height aside; I think a bigger risk is getting too many UV rays from the sun.
Every window cleaner I know; including me; always has a deep tan in the Summer; and I'm carefull and use top-end factor 50 stuff; usually.
A (now ex) customer of mine was riddled with cancer that begun as skin cancer on her nose; and then rapidly spread.
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i have had a good look, and cant see that you can get it from absorbtion. you can get it from ingestion, ie eating. its the same with lead poisoning. you get it from breathing in dust or eating it. so as long as you wash your hands before eating or smoking your risk is minimal. i wrote a piece on the other cleaning forum a while ago about lead from leaded windows.
its basic common sense to wash your hands after work and before eating. fairy liquid can cause major stomach upsets, guess what word i cant spell.
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If your hands get gry/black from holding aluminum pole, it will also be absorbed through your skin into your blood stream before you get home to wash your hands.
People who handle asbestos wear full protective clothing to aviod any contact with skin - the skin is porous.
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i have just looked at some old photos of myself b fore i started win cleaning .n dd is correct my hair has turned a silver .color . ps ladders for sale .if i by wooden ladders will it turn back to brown . please help
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Get yourself a carbonfibre pole and it will turn black. You'll look 30 years younger.
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thanks dd .ill give it a try .
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Only downside is may take 20 or 30 years.
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Whoever washes there hands every time they eat, if you are out working it isnt always possible to mwash your hands before eating your sandwches, i reckon in the last 10 years i must of eat a couple of pounds of bird muck and all other sorts of nasties.
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Whoever washes there hands every time they eat, if you are out working it isnt always possible to mwash your hands before eating your sandwches, i reckon in the last 10 years i must of eat a couple of pounds of bird muck and all other sorts of nasties.
Niiiiiice... :-X :-X
I prefer cheese sandwiches.
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I am greedy i eat the lot
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As a window cleaner; falls from height aside; I think a bigger risk is getting too many UV rays from the sun.
Every window cleaner I know; including me; always has a deep tan in the Summer; and I'm carefull and use top-end factor 50 stuff; usually.
A (now ex) customer of mine was riddled with cancer that begun as skin cancer on her nose; and then rapidly spread.
spot on , if you NEED to worry about health hazzards skin cancer from uv is a much bigger worry than aliminium poisoning........honestly ::) do people really worry about this ???
stop smoking capstans
only drink ONE bottle of vodka a week
just eat kebab at weekends
any one of these will prolong your life or mental health more than NOT touching aluminium
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There is a very high incidence of breast cancer in societies that use antipersperent containing aluminium especially in the upper outer quartile of the breast which is next to the armpit.
There is no special reason why it should occur in the upper outer quartile as all tissue is the same, Is it such a coincidence the part of the breast nearest to the armpit which gets sprayed with aluminium has the most cancer.
Dave
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Are you concerned about your breasts dave?
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yes and about the wifes, we use Bionson or how ever its spelt, aluminium free.
If yopu know how it works you will know alluminium in the blood stream = possible death.
The alluminium particles in deoderants are supposedly to large to seep through your pores in your armpits but if they got through they will kill you.
Do you believe them ?
Do you trust them ?
Do you think chemical companies put profit before your wellbeing ?
My Mother died from Breast and liver cancer, do you think these cancers are natural or man made ?
Coincidence breast cancer is a western disease ?
Coincidence most breast cancer happens in the upper outer quartile ?
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Sorry Dave, bit insensitive of me. I remember about your Mum, now.
However, for a big strong bloke you worry too much.
You know the saying, "If you live long enough you'll die of something".
I do think that UV is one of our bigger risks as w/cs. Especially our arms and heads. I look a right berk in a hat, but I'll look an even bigger one with half my head missing. I've already got very strange lumps growing on my arms where moles used to be...they just dropped off one day and these lumps grew.
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Pj
Not at all I am not sensitive at all.
With your ticker why are you worrying about your head ? ;D
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A year ago we were all worried about bird flu.
I don't know how some of you manage to keep your hands dry, mine get wet every time I change poles.
I have yet to master the technique of using those little connectors without wetting my gloves, if I try and disconnect them with my hand underneath, I get an eye or ear full guaranteed.
The Harris pole will make your hands black, that's why I wear gloves even in the summer, maybe a coating of clear lacquer or the heat shrink stuff would prevent that.
As for suntan, I am definitely two tone, every thing at the back is brown whilst the front is a lot paler.
As for washing your hands, well there is no shortage of pure water, anyway a bit of bird poo should help keep your immune system topped up nicely.
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You make some very good points Dave.
On the plus side, there may be something in your birds muck sandwiches that has cancer fighting properties.
Seriously though, you seem very well informed.
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Pj
Not at all I am not sensitive at all.
With your ticker why are you worrying about your head ? ;D
True, true...I let my heart rule my head. How's yer backside? :o
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Increase in asthma in young ones is put down to keeping them too clean and not allowing them to roll round in dirt etc ! Doesnt allow there immune system to build up resistance .
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www.naturalnews.com/009969.html
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I knew a chap who was working at the Cancer research Medical Centre in North West London
He was researching the effects of Talcum Powder as an anti perspirant
This is true..
His research was cut short, he died of Lymphoma Cancer aged 50!
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Talc is toxic. Talc particles cause tumors in human ovaries and lungs. Numerous studies have shown a strong link between frequent use of talc in the female genital area and ovarian cancer. Talc particles are able to move through the reproductive system and become imbedded in the lining of the ovary. Researchers have found talc particles in ovarian tumors and have found that women with ovarian cancer have used talcum powder in their genital area more frequently than healthy women.2
Talc poses a health risk when exposed to the lungs. Talc miners have shown higher rates of lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses from exposure to industrial grade talc, which contains dangerous silica and asbestos. The common household hazard posed by talc is inhalation of baby powder by infants. Since the early 1980s, records show that several thousand infants each year have died or become seriously ill following accidental inhalation of baby powder.3
Q. What about infants
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I cleaned two big comunal washing machines today :o
I decided to take out the washing powder trays and clean them!
I used boiling water and a green scouring pad, but it was like concrete - I gave up, beyond the trays down the tube it looked like the icing from a wedding cake.
That's what we wash our clothes in!
We are indeed completely out of touch with nature.
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dont understand the people who say they cant wash their hands at work. you have detergent, you have a tank of water, you have cloth to dry. unless of cause you are not using any of this stuff. or buy a bottle of waterless hand wash
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Dave Morris
It,s true that most personal care products, e.g. shampoo, toothpaste, various creams etc. contain toxic chemicals such as propylene glycol and sodium lauryl sulfate.
Neways do a complete range of products that are toxin free. Also possible to buy safe products elsewhere as long as you know which ingredients to avoid.
I think there are more companies now supplying "safe " products, but the majority are not.