Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: kinder clean on June 08, 2008, 06:18:59 pm
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Just interested to know what range of green cleaning products are being used out there & if youv'e tried several which worked the
best for you?
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I have tried M Power and Pureclean and imo Pureclean is the best of the 2. Not sure about the others.
Mark
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microsplitters and a freshwater rinse, as green as it gets :) :)
or how about just a hot water rinse with high flow and high temps.
mike
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I have tried M Power and Pure clean the past 3 months. Found that M Power had the edge on wool.
Pure clean was the dogs dangly bits with a bonnet.
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Paul,
When you are using M Power what method of agitation do you use and how long dwell time. Do you rinse with fresh water?
I am asking because i cant get a decent result on wool with Pureclean but i will give the M Power another try.
Think with wool its going to be a case that i stick to PSG and F/F rinse.
Mark
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Mark I aggitate with an envirodri.
I did a 80/20 a few weeks back, not very dirty but had a few black stains, I sprayed MPower and went to set uo the hoses off th truck, when I got back in the black stains had dissapeared as if by magic. Dean ( my son) could not believe it.
Like all chemicals they have their place, as the green thing grows over the next few years which it will, I will keep M Power and Pure clean in my kit. As up till now nobdy has asked me for a green/eco clean yet and I do advertise it.
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I sometimes look on the CT forum, they seem to get good results on all types of stains with M Power. Will definately give it another go.
Mark
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Hi Guys
I like Pure Clean , it cleans well, has no smell and is a simplish sodium salt.
If you are talking green then I can't really see any difference between a detergent and a colloid.
The main thing however is to use the minimum amount of chemical which produces a good result and to rinse well.
Cheers
Doug
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Pure clean is fantastic did a call centre yesterday used p/clean instead of rotobrite even I was shocked by the end result.
Nemesis on wool is fantastic but hit and miss on synthetics and its over £22 cheaper than mpower.
Could you use Citra Clean Concentrate as a eco friendly product?
www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.co.uk/product_details_114.htm
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Pure clean is fantastic did a call centre yesterday used p/clean instead of rotobrite even I was shocked by the end result.
Nemesis on wool is fantastic but hit and miss on synthetics and its over £22 cheaper than mpower.
Steve I did the same on one of my residential homes last week, usually use Rotobrite with good results,this tim used Pureclean with an enigiser boost very hot and the results where great.
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Pure clean is fantastic did a call centre yesterday used p/clean instead of rotobrite even I was shocked by the end result.
Nemesis on wool is fantastic but hit and miss on synthetics and its over £22 cheaper than mpower.
Steve I did the same on one of my residential homes last week, usually use Rotobrite with good results,this tim used Pureclean with an enigiser boost very hot and the results where great.
Paul
Used the texatherm heater pod to heat solution up and the staff were amazed how coffee stains,drink stains and even some oil stains just disappeared
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Hi all
can anyone tell me if they have tried DFC from chemspec, as i use mostly there products ( i am getting the best results i ever had) but would like to offer a GREEN service
Many thanks
Daryl
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Hi Daryl,
I'm using DFC 105 as a prespray for most jobs but for the bad ones I use DFC 210 followed by a pure water water rinse and they both work really well but I've not tried it with ordinary water.
All the best
John
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To be honest, I don't class microsplitters as being truly green. They are probably eco-friendlier than many products available, but I gather that they are not truly bio-degradeable. I haven't heard this officially from any manufacturer, just from various things I've picked up talking to those who know better than me.
If I believe the manufacturers, then M Power is fully bio-degradeable and so is, I gather, Nemesis. But there's no independent accreditation that I'm aware of, neither are Woolsafe Approved (important to me) and fall short on polypropylene (I've used M Power, but not Nemesis).
Host sponges and Chemspec's Ecogent both have independent green certification and Woolsafe Approval. Ecogent works really well as both pre-spray and rinse agent and also for bonneting, but is too high foaming for my needs. I'm not aware of a green de-foamer yet.
Chemspec's DFC 210 has green certification. So does their DFC 105 which is also Woolsafe Approved. Like Daryl and John, I've been using DFC 105. Both can be used for rinse/extraction and bonneting also.
The recommended is 20:1 pre-spray and 124:1 rinse. I get superb results with this on wool and synthetics.
I've used it @ 30:1 pre-spray too, similar results.
I am presently using it at 30:1 for most run of the mill work with a cold freshwater rinse. Superb results. I do need though, good agitation (Envirodri) and about 10-20 minutes dwell. The dwell time, like when using detergents, can be planned into your procedures so that you don't have any down time.
By varying DFC 105 solution blends as above, I recently cleaned Bromsgrove Rugby Club's body axminster carpets. Those who came to last years NCCA Upholstery Cleaning Workshop will be familiar with the premises. The bar area was cleaned @ 20:1 and 124:1 rinse and the function room was 20:1 and a freshwater rinse. The results were of the highest standard, the bar was dry by lunch time without blowers and the function room was well on the way to being dry when I finished. The weather was rain, rain and more rain so drying conditions weren't great. Prespray was hot, rinse cold. Scorpion mounted in my van.
DFC 105 is, for me, the ideal low foaming, multi-fibre, multi system, Woolsafe Approved, Green Certified cleaning solution that rinses well with lower carbon foorprint cold water. But I haven't been impressed yet with results on upholstery and, not being pH neutral in use, would be wary on pH sensitive dyes. I'm still experimenting though.
I don't clean leather so can't comment.
Safe and happy Green Cleaning :)
Ken
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Hi Ken
Sorry to hijack thread but could you drop me a test email at pete@oakleafcc.co.uk as I would like to ask you something. Better still would like to speak to you.
Pete
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Have been using Chemspec DFC 105 in tank and as a pre spray and have been getting great results on all carpet types so far, still to try DFC 210 my supplier has just got it in stock so will be trying it soon. My fibre and fabric rinse hasn't been touched since I started using DFC looks like another solution destined for the back of the shed!
Rob
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Pete
email with contact details sent.
Safe and happy eco cleaning :)
Ken
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Hi Guys
There really can be lots of debates as to the 'greenest' approach and to a certain extent it's a personal choice.
Is for example a lot of agitation green or would it be better to use a stronger detergent with a longer dwell, slightly less green chemical but less CO2 emmisions due to less/np need for agitaion.
Equally one could argue on hot vs cold, speed vs time etc .
I am happy with Pureclean as sodium salts are benign and straightforward to use, but others may prefer a different approach.
Is one of the Chemspec products a sodium salt?
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Doug,
DFC 105 works by using Sodium Chloride, Sodium Citrate and Sodium Bicarbonate.
If you want I could scan the DFC literature tomorrow and email it to you I'm sure you would understand it far better than I do.
Rob
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i think its an interesting subject
and i know that Prochem are launching a Natural range sometime in july
although i think perhaps we are getting carried away a bit,
all large manufacturers have to abide to Government and European tsandras such as the www.aise-net.org
but being green goes much further beyond just the cleaning component , be it micro splitters
Pure clean DFC or others
other things to consider are packaging , platsic the raw materials used to make the plastic the materials used in the manufacture of so called green products?
the dyes in chemicals, perfumes, even dyes used in the ink for printing the labels on containers.
micro splitters require more aggitation and dwell time if you are using more
electric machinery to acomplish the same result as a good manual scrub with a
brush using a biodegradable detergent prespray is that not counter productive as we use more electric we contribute to the big issue at the moment global warming .
i diversify any way i am all for it i would love to be truly green
but you know what is greener is more clients that stop ripping up carpets to
replace instead of getting them cleaned our local council dump says carpets are not recyclable ? have you ever heard?
collins
transit methods-
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Many Thanks John & Ken
Can you give me a comparison to One clean /Formular 90 on results, like for like.
Also why cold rinse, is this because you aint got a heater or better results ???
Sorry for the delay ........been busy
Daryl
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Hi Daryl
In general terms, I haven't used much detergent for many years, so can't comment on One Clean/Formula 90. All I will say is I am obtaining superb results. Even slightly better than my previous micro-splitting solutions.
As for cold water rinsing, it works for me and for the way I work, I honestly feel that it rinses better than hot water. Please note, I am talking about rinsing, NOT cleaning. I am sure many will disagree with me and the debate is well worn, so no point in taking it further.
collins
Yes you are correct about electriacal agitation machines being another machine demanding power. BUT by using my 550 watt Envirodri machine to agitate the carpets and pre-spray really well, I considerably REDUCE the time spent rinsing with my +/- 5,000 watt extractor. Therefore, good use of a machine to agitate should be a more eco friendly practice than light agitation with a pile brush and extended extractor use. Oh, and the carpet drys quicker and looks better for it too :)
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Pure clean is fantastic did a call centre yesterday used p/clean instead of rotobrite even I was shocked by the end result.
Nemesis on wool is fantastic but hit and miss on synthetics and its over £22 cheaper than mpower.
Steve I did the same on one of my residential homes last week, usually use Rotobrite with good results,this tim used Pureclean with an enigiser boost very hot and the results where great.
Tonight went to do a regular who I normally clean with dry fusion or rotobrite but used pure clean last time.Not impressed with the condition of the carpet after 3 months even customer commented how it got dirty quicker reverted back to rotobrite on this one.
With rotobrite it has built in stainshield where as pure clean doesn't.Does anyone stainguard carpet after using pureclean just seems it works out expensive doing it that way?
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Steve are you going out cleaning at night time aswell?
Shaun
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Well 5 till 7,was out 6am this morning too:'(
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out at 6am back for 9 what did you do in the middle of the day ;D
Shaun
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A suite till 12,lounge/diner at 1 then lounge,hall,bedroom 2.30 then commercial at 5 :P