Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul Simpson on June 04, 2008, 05:37:17 pm
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After alot of haggling and giving a demo to the worst affected area with an audience of 3 secured a restaurant job today in a chinese restaurant .
Black top all along traffic lane between tables and fairly bad on the stairs as well.
Tried, Multipro, Ashbys Prespray & Ultrapac renovate, (not all at the same time obviously) agitating & scoring into the black top, none of which produced great results.
After alot of pointing and debating between themselves in their own language I could see they weren't overly impressed and done a small patch with Citrus Gel (agitated) and suddenly they looked happy and started talking prices (queue - haggling).
Any suggestion on the best citrus based prespray I can use as its gonna work out very expensive in citrus gel. Need it before Saturday (ordering time, etc).
Thanks
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HM greasebreaker
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and hot!!
Shaun
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Just wondered what price you settled on per sq/mtr, I've got one to look at on Friday
Paul Kinder Clean
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paul,
we do a fair number of chinese and indian restaurants and always use prochem power burst as a prespray in hydraforce sprayer followed by an acidic rinse,
the key is really getting down enough prespray and having a lengthy dwell time, ideally prespraying again before cleaning, nice hot water aswell, most if not all of this black top will come of if you just allow the prespray to do it its work!
These type of carpets are normally quite resillient but obviously good to do the usual checks.
In my experience chinese & indian restaurants will always try and beat you down on price, so start fairly high, but usually if you do a good job they will be a regular customer and recommend you to their friends, so prob worthwhile
regards
steve
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Glynn Why not Blitz
Thank John
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Citra Clean from Bio Productions is good on black top
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Prochem Powerburst hot pre-spray, agitation and dwell then rinse with fabric and fibre rinse if wool, if synthetic use Doubleclean.
Mark
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Hi Guys
This is one of the few occaisions I would use an enzyme pre spray, leave for 20 _ 30 mins and make sure you extract very well.
Cheers
Doug
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Paul
I agree with Steve if you do a good job they will be regular clients. We clean at least a dozen indian and chinese restaurants on a regular basis, hydramaster soil break,prochem powerburst,hydramaster blitz and chemspec's enzall would all do the trick with a little help from hydramasters greasebreaker and plenty of heat!!
All the best
John
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Paul
Multipro did not work :o. Now I’m gob smacked always works for me and I do some of the ***** pubs you can only have nightmares about.
Blitz/Um also works well
Hope you budgeted for it ;)
Len
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len i'm sure multi pro would work but at what dilution rate? you must be using it at something like 3 or 4 to one, something like blitz is more economical surely,
colin
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Colin
Dilutions rates what it says on the container, blitz very economical I pick it up and good, as I have run out of both, next week doing a demo with pure clean have high hopes think that’s 8-1 haven’t done the costing on this but already got it.
Len
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Blitz with grease breaker added, or a good one is Enzall ( enzyme) with a scopp of energiser added to it.
Either one will eat it up.
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Thanks for the replies.
Have got a Prochem dealer I can pick up from so guess I'll give powerburst a blast.
Len - Multipro didn't seem to work, having said that I only had my brush for agitation and probably didn't leave it dwelling long enough, put that down to the audience watching my every move.
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chemspec enzall, let it dwell 15 mins, no probs, never fails, worth buying just to try as you will never regret, have both blitz and powerburts on the van, always use the enzall in the worst cases.
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The one every one has missed, and in my opinion the best of the lot Craftex Champion.
Buy in 25l containers for just over £35.00 + vat order before 3 pm and it is with you the next day carriage free.
I have used this on pubs indians, fish & chip restaurants and it does the job. But dont wear your best clobber from experiance heavy black top crates a thick muddy solution after pre spray.
John
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Paul
Agitation know what you mean lent mine to a friend today so left the carpet brush in the van.
Len
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The one every one has missed, and in my opinion the best of the lot Craftex Champion.
Buy in 25l containers for just over £35.00 + vat order before 3 pm and it is with you the next day carriage free.
I have used this on pubs Indians, fish & chip restaurants and it does the job. But don't wear your best clobber from experience heavy black top crates a thick muddy solution after prespray.
John
Good old champion used it yesterday on a pub in Durham absolutely filthy,really needed replacing but owner insisted came up a treat
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yeah your right champion is the one we always forget
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I know a few have been mentioned but what would you say was better Craftex Champion or Prochem Powerburst or are they both up to the job with ease.
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this is a really weird game, i have used champion before and thought it was cr*p, not a patch on powerburst et al but i'm probably using it incorrectly.
as a footnote, when some say let it dwell for 20 to 30 minutes, how much do you put down? if i left a prespray that long it would have dried out completley, do some spray enough that it is absolutely soaking? this isn't a critisism, just an honest quesion.
colin
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What machine are you using? TM or porty. Im surprised multi pro didnt give a good result. In saying that i am 100% sure that you would get better results using Prochem PowerBurst, HydraMaster Blitz, or Chemspec Enzall. My first choice would be Prochem PowerBurst. It is in a legue of its own when doing the type of job you have described. Mix & apply at between 40 - 60 degrees temp and rinse using soft rinse/acid rinse. Apply enough to keep the area sprayed wet until extracted with the hottest water available to you. I have never found a need to aggitate PowerBurst on this type of job although i do use a TM so if using a porty it may help.
Richie.
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Powerburst is a chemical that works on contact. Although if very heavy build up 5 mins dwell is enough. I spray enough down that can be extracted within 15 mins. Alot of heavy build up will not allow the prespray to get through to the carpet enough to cause a problem.
Richie.
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well that is my point richie, i would have thought that if you spray enough down that it is still wet after 30 mins, you might be heading for shrink trouble, just my opinion, always learning!
colin
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Ive only ever had 2 carpets shrink on me with the pre-spray, both were Belguim Wiltons. You dont have to apply a massive amount of pre-spray for the carpet to be damp 20 - 30 mins later. One reason i dont like Solutions M POWER is because of the amount you are supposed to apply. I was speaking to a guy from up north that went on one of the Solutions days (in Leicester i think it was) said he was horrified at the amount of M POWER that they were shown to apply to the carpet.
Richie.
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Craftex Champion or Craftex multisolv, both work very well on Indian and Chinese
restaurant carpets. However Craftex premium clean in the tank, piping hot, and wound up to
350-500 Psi very rarely fails. it helps if you can perforate the crust, to allow penetration.
9 times out of 10 i don't even pre-spray. And every pub and restaurant i've done over
the years became regular customers.
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hats off aj, that is impressive, i get the same results but with powerburst and others, wonder what i did wrong when i tried champion
colin
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That was not the worst part of the carpet, forgot to take any photo's
by the kitchen door. No pre-spray used on that area, only by kitchen.
The first time i cleaned it, it was like leather, (very dim lights). Funnily
they now have the lights brighter. Their USP is a glass wall showing the kitchen
to the restaurant.
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I've never had the pleasure to experience black top yet,
When you talk about perforating the crust, How do you do this??
Andy
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AJ,
Is that a Belgian Wilton or something else?
I have Indians and Chinese restaurants near me, and are quite dirty, when I go to look at them they are nearly allways in that condition or worse, BUT I only do the normal secondary backed or real Axminsters etc, I wont touch a BW for the obvious reasons.
It would seem that neither will any one else as they never get them cleaned or go to laminated, God forbid.
I have a TM and obviously want to do them.
Any ideas on what to do chaps.
Murky
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I've never had the pleasure to experience black top yet,
When you talk about perforating the crust, How do you do this??
Andy
Blacktop can be light or heavy.
Lots of times you find the light ie not too bad and a agood soak is good enough.
Ive had real heavy stuff and the way I treated this was very harshly - scouring through the dirt so the prespray can get through, and it was still a lot of work.
Read on a post recently somone who was begged by the club owner to do anything to get rid of it so eventually he had to use a power washer to break thro it.!
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Completed today using Powerburst.
I see what you mean about putting down enough Pre-spray Steve, used loads today.
Tried with just an acidic rinse but going was tough so switched to Crystal Green in then tank and spray misted with Fab/Fibre rinse and results were much better.
Had to use a wire brush on the worst bits and a metal rake to score some of it, does anyone use a special tool for this, or is it whatever gets the job done?
Anyway customer was well pleased, gave me a good tip and as I didn't stop for lunch (which seemed to suprise him) he asked me to pick a couple of meals off the menu which he promptly made. ;D
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Looks like you have done a good job there.
I use a spiked roller that I think is actually designed for wallpaper stripping. The roller is very robust and the spikes are very sharp. I find that this is normally enough to penetrate black top.
I also use prochem powerburst.
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Looks ok, however i would invest in a big rotary machine with tank and used a shampoo brush to work the Pre spray in would have saved a lot of work and saved your Duo as they dont last long, they are not really robust enough.
As long as the customer is happy :D
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Spiked roller sounds good for future jobs.
Had a large rotary with tank and shampoo brush which I sold 3 weeks ago because it had sat in my store for over a year with no use.
Have a small rotary which I would have used for agitation on this job but last week it broke down on me, currently with supplier (warranty job)
Sods law comes to mind! :-\
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Paul,
Looks like a you got a good result in the end, is it the 1st time you have used Powerburst?
Mark
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Yes Mark, first time with Powerburst.
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I have been using it 2 years or so now on this type of job and it has never let me down.
Looks like you got a good result, well done ;D
Mark