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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: R-CLEAN on June 03, 2008, 10:14:59 pm
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hi all am new 2 this forum and carpet cleaning, av been doing window cleaning for 10 years now and fancied a change i am doing both at the min.
Anyway i was just wondering if the axminister and wilton carpets are more prone 2 shrinkage as av heard something along these lines or which carpets u should stay clear ov for this reason and how 2 tell.
i have been on a course with extracta and use the EXEL machine but am still a bit weary with carpet that are more prone 2 shrink.
any info would be great
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Are you in a hurry, or just trying to save effort ?
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Carpet Guy(Rob)
I myself just type in whatever i feel is necessary to fulfil and justify a need!
If it comes across as not being the good Queens ENGLISH grammar, but is obviously-(by myself anyway) quite comprehensible and easy to read, then where is the problem-and certain need to poke sticks?
Damian ;D ;)
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because to a dyslexic like myself your post reads like a bag of spanners.
English the language of Shakespeare
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Don't be so touchy Damian, if you find that offensive, you must be a very sensitive soul :(
Paul
None of us are perfect, as my inability to read a bag of spanners proves.
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Rob, i think you must know by now i am never touchy lol.
I just get on with running MY businesses as i see fit and have for a lotta years.
Sorry Paul if it wasnt clear-will bear that in mind if i post again.
Now to help this guy in need of help-
R-Clean, you maybe better off searching help from a not so local (friendly) CC WITH experience as to how to clean these carpets properly without problems.
There finished........for now (lol)
Damian ;D.
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i take it you's don't know ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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R-C
If you're unsure about carpet types the best advice (apart from attending a course) would be, to avoid overwetting. I'm sure Extracta would have informed you of the principals of prespray, aggitate, rinse / extract.
Most carpets which are prone to shrinking have hessian backing and it's the backing that shrinks. Axminster is a looser weave and can be stretched. Some Wiltons shrink alarmingly and won't stretch back.
So...............until you gain experience / knowledge, use Micro Splitters there are many around and they are simple to use.
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go work with a local cleaner for a few days and get tips etc etc
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theres no details in his profile so hard to work out who's local.
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well if he is in the midlands i well do it :)
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Watch out for any badly fitted carpets and especially Belgion wiltons these are usually a polypropelene fibre on a hessian back, the easy way to spot these is to do a float test, this means getting a fibre and placing it in a glass of water if it floats its polyprop. If this is the case lift the carpet at one corner and inspect the backing if its a hessian back you have a belgian wilton. These carpets have the most chance of shrinkage make sure they are well secure on the grippers if not you can use tacks and nail down every 12 in or so. Keeping moisture down, plenty of vaccum passes and some dryers in place and you should be fine.
Where are you based if your in my area you are welcome to come along with me for a few days i have a few of these carpet types to clean in the coming weeks.
mark
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BW hessian back? are you sure?
I was very concerned about shrinkage when I started, which is a good thing. But to be honest I really think you would have to go some to shrink a carpet, bar a BW. In fact the only carpet I've seen pulled off the grippers was under 4cm of water at the time.
As said check if BW with a float test and check grippers are good all round On all carpets.
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Only shrunk one a little , it was not on grippers customer new it could shrink.
If I was R Clean I would contact Extracta and get them to talk you through it.
They were happy enough to take your money for the course.
Rob Iwould be grateful if you would refrain from picking on new members.
I admit I cannot spell and cannot put Goggle on my present work station as it a corporate one, and do not have the time to cut and paste from word.
Like Damien I think of something and fire away.
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My mistake Mike i mean jute backing with the weft shots running in both directions crossing each other. If these carpets arent secured down they dont take much shrinking when cleaned by an untrained operator. Always do your basic checks and you should be fine.
Mark
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I shrunk my first ever carpet Friday , a very expensive wool berber , there was no gripper around the fire place and patio doors . Fortunately my brother in law is a carpet fitter and he managed to rectify it for me on Monday evening . not a very pleasant weekend couldn't sleep with worry , Like Mark said do your basic checks and don't get complacent
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hi there thanks for them post the last 1's were helpfull :)
am from whitley bay, newcastle. am going 2 sort my profile out soon
cheers
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speak to john at restormate in cramlington ( sure you can google him) he'll be the nearest source of info for you and he a lot near to you than extracta.
I only live in north shields and haven't been into extracta for donkeys now.
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I shrank a bw about six years ago you could hear it creaking on the grippers, told customer don’t worry will be back in two days to refit, collected money and left, did refit with the aide of a tool which not many carpet fitters know about and got another £50 for my trouble.
Len
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What's that Len, a crowbar?
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Mike
If I let you know every carpet fitter would want one cost about £500. have considered adding this service to my leaflets. ;D
Len
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Len, I paid $600 for mine. Everyone should have one.
Best, Dave.
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power stretcher maybe?
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Dave
I know I got rip off $ = £
Paul
Defiantly not, staple gun and knee kicker. ;)
Len
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As already mentioned, the Belguim Wilton carpets are PolyProp with hessian backing. These carpets ca be a big headache for even the most experienced carpet cleaners. It amazes me that some shrink even if only a light pre-spray is applied. I used to clean the carpets for an elderly lady who had a Belguim Wilton fitted. I explained that the chances were that it was going to shrink. She gave me the go ahead so i got her to sign my invoice that i had stated on that i was expecting it to shrink. IT DID. it went about 2 inches. I went back a week later and tried to stretch it but was hopeless. I went back about 12 months later to clean again. This time it went another inch. Not all of them shrink, in fact i have not had one shrink for about 4 years. If ever in doubt contact someone like Chemspec, They will always give you good sound advice.
Carpet Guy,
Why do you insist on giving out so much hassle? You cannot help having a dig can you. If you cannot be sensible with your posts i think you would be better off posting on other forums (CT would be a good one for you) ;D
Richie.
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Richie
He banned from CT pmsl
Damian ;D
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Oh get a life, children and yes I was banned from Cleantalk for challenging some of the Solutions claims and my comments ( unfortunately for the guys who signed up ) proved to be correct.
There are a lot of sensitive souls on here at the moment, but there are lots of others who are just looking for help, not outrageous claims of earnings which less than 1% of carpet cleaners will achieve.
You need a balance in a forum and that means argument and discussion, unfortunately human nature dictates that the masses will follow the pied piper and drown in the process.
Strange how some pretty scathing and personal insults are accepted and more subtle humour is lost in tranlation .
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Carpet Guy,
The fact is.......you all to often have to twist things & give negative posts. Some time ago Mike Halliday won a vote and was Crowned.....Britains Most Helpful Carpet Cleaner. The vote was given by other Carpet Cleaners. You on the other hand are well on target to be voted Britains Least Helpful Carpet Cleaner. The one thing that you can be proud of though is that you have been banned from CT. Join the club as many of are now officially banned from Britains Worst Run Cleaning Forum. ;D
Richie.
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Rob-i think your opening sentence sums up your own appraisal of life in general?
i.e(looking down on others!!)-whilst sometimes you do talk some sence, a lot of times i personally do not post because i know it will turn into a slanging match as you always want the upper hand and that my friend is not an OPEN forum!
Personally i have a limited amount of respect for you(at present?) but this isnt YOUR forum.
I post infrequently here now as its becomisng a one man show I FEEL.
As for humour-ive got as much if not more than the next man to give and take and will gladly trade insults and benefit from this.
One point i WILL make-is whilst i gladly glean all knowledge from ALL sources(my brain soaks up all information!)- I have never been impressed with a bloke that has had many careers?
YOU tried to make fun of myself on here and called me names without actually knowing who i am nor my family(FAMILY TRADE OF CARPETS)
So therefore in my own opinion of a guy(thats been backing out of the cleaning game -for years(F.OFF) for me!!)
Sick of hearing bout ya chap.
Damian ::)
P.s realise if i get banned for this its fair do's but cant bearsed anyways by now
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Like I said Richie
Every post I've made has either been from past experience, wide and varied knowledge, concern for the new , or inexperienced, that they might be getting false, or unrealistic information, which if acted on, could cause them to spend beyond their means
What's wrong with encouraging a " new to the industry person " to start without spending beyond their means..............they might not even like the work, be prepared to work for less than the top earners, until gaining experience and credibility. That's logical and reasonable and I reckon doing them a favour. It's rubbish to suggest you can't increase your prices if you start off at competetive rates.
To me it's good practice and ethics, to you it's negativety.
Damian
Don't have a clue what you're gibbering about.
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Rob, the sad part is you DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND ARE BLINKERED AS TO THE TRUTH EVEN NOW.
Blessed are those ::)
Damian :)
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R - Clean,
Do a proper course and not one thats manufacturer/ supplier oriented, and take an examination on completion. NCCA or IICRC courses for example, these will explain what to look for and reasons why.
Dave.
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Dave,
I have only done the Prochem courses, i have been running 8 years without any customer complaints.
They show the basics of fibre identification, colour bleed test, different cleaning techniques and so on.yes they only use there own products, so what? When you go out to quote do you recommend Chem-dry?
Most people doing there course have purchased a Prochem machine and have got the free voucher for training. I have used products from Alltec, Chemspec etc and imo have found Prochem products to be the best most of the time so for a new starter i would recommend the Prochem course.
Mark
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I went on the Ashby 3 day course when I bought my Ninja and really needed it. I think once you have that under your belt you would get more out of NCCA etc after a few months cleaning too.
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Mike,
I agree do the free basic course most companys offer when buying a machine then once your up and running do one of the Ncca or iicrc courses if you wish.
mark
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Mrk,
I did my first courses with Prochem nearly 30 years ago. Have lost count of the number of courses I have done since. But definatley the best ones are the IICRC recognised ones, as they are not biased towards branded products.
Dave.
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why does it say guest next to carpet guys name???
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Think Rob has jack it in? Shame really did like his pops at me. :D
Len
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Carpet Guy,
Nearly every post you make, in my opinion & others you are very negative, I dont mean careful i mean you dont give out anything that is useful. Why is this? In your last post to me you say "It's rubbish to suggest you can't increase your prices if you start off at competetive rates". I have not said anything about not been able to raise prices if started at a competitive price.
Inexperienced or new comers to this industry often require guidence. This is what these forums often give and why MOST of us post sensible replies. Im all for having a laugh with people, giving & receiving banter is a good thing. To do this we need to know when is the right time. A newcomer/inexperienced CC needs guidence not the sarky replies that you give TO OFTEN.
Richie.