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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: John Gregory on June 01, 2008, 04:59:17 pm
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Hi all
Did a job this morning customer says is cash alright , of course I say no problem just went to Spar to get some bread and tinnies and the £20 notes are fake , I am now stuck with 5 x £20 notes , What do I do
Thanks John
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Its a tough one. The obvious thing to say would be to go straight back there and explain in no uncertain terms that the cash you were given was dodgy. Hopefully they will give you proper notes. But they may be genuinly innocent and didnt realise they had naff notes, and take great offence to this thinking that you are trying it on ???
My hunch would be that they knew they were fake, but let's face it if you go back they're probably going to deny it >:(
I would go back or at least ring them, and see what happens. If they deny it or refuse then there isnt a lot you can do...
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John,
I would report to the police immediately that customer has not come accross these by accident maybe the odd one but not 5. You could save someone else having the same problem.
You could take them back to the customer and explain if they are not changed you will report to the police.
Mark
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The proper thing to do is go to the police.
If you were less worried you hypothetically could blackmail them, palm the notes off to some other mug, or go back and take a hammer to their fingers.
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They gave you more than one then that is fraud ........return them and explain that if they do not replace them then you have to report them to the police and they will have to say where they got them etc ............ had 2 fakes in a bunch of 14 from customer once, did add that my brother in law is a copper and i said he advised me to follow this course so i was not out of pocket ;)
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I still think it's a long way to go for some tinnies.
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I take it with cash is alright means you did leave a receipt for the work done?
If you didn't (you know where I'm going with this) then you're between a rock and a hard place. They could denie you did the job or even turn it into 'do what you want because you were defrauding the IR'
With this quantity in one transaction I'd be ringing the alarm bells with these people. Even if they do change then for real the chances are they are going to offload them and more onto someone else.
This really should be a Police matter but the choice is yours.
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To be fair you should go back and give them the chance to change them, as
even if they didn't know they are still liable for passing them on, if you don't get
any joy tell them your going to the police and then do it straight away.
Fake money does get passed around so i think you have to give them the
benefit
of the doubt first!
regards
steve
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Rather than modify my post I'll add this.
Having one fake is possible, having two is unlucky, having FIVE is damned suspicous to me.
What is the numbering on these. Sequencial (sp) normally only come from a bank cash machine and the chances of fakes from these is highly unlikely.
So the chances are they have done a CASH job for someone to be in possession of this quantity....barganing point there ;) or they are part of a fake scheme, even buying £20 notes on the cheap.
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:o
hope you're joking !
steve
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Just checking!
But remove that last post about knowingly passing fake money over
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Thats not on, should have gone back to the client and got your money changed, if he denied anything called in the cops, you can always write an invoice out to prove you were they even if he siad you never gave him one, who gonna believe him, he already moving fake notes, and if cops are called chances are if he gave you 5 then he would have more,
but no instead you go a screw another hard working guy, Mr. Patel, who had sweet FA to do with any of this. You are out of order John and persaonlly I think they should kick you off this forum.
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but no instead you go a screw another hard working guy, Mr. Patel, who had sweet FA to do with any of this. You are out of order John
Well there is a fair chance that when Mr Patel does his banking tomorrow, the bank will bring it to his attention. He will then check his garage cctv for cash transactions, he will then check that against the forecourt cameras and then the plod will be making a visit.
Backed up with an admission on here and the offence is a very serious one. Money laundering, deception, obtaining goods by deception.
I did ask you to remove the admission but clearly some on here just don't want to listern.
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Karl that is a bit harsh mate suggesting I should be kicked off this forum for passing on a couple of quid which I un nowing took as payment for a job . I am not a criminal , the last couple of months have been very difficult for my self and my family , things are starting to pick up a bit now thou I hope , my first job tomorrow morning is going to the post office to pay my poll tax and water rates with my cash jobs that I did over the weekend
Thanks John
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"Don't worry lads just been to fill me van up with juice , Mr Patel at the local garage didn't notice , so not my problem"
Watch out. Number plate recognition technology is used in many forecourt garages.
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I am not a criminal
yes you are.
but don't worry about it we all have the potential to be a criminals. the only thing that differentiates us all is the price it takes.
for you it was £50-£60 quid.
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No you're going to burn in the fiery pits off hell :o :o
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This reminds me of the time my mother had her 50th birthday bash. My cousin came up to me and said 'heres a tenner im doing really well for myself'. I bought a round of drinks with it. An hour later he asked if Id still got the tenner. I told him i bought some drinks. Turned out it was a fake note which I got back out the till an apologised (because im soft). The front looked fine but the back had Basil Fawlty and Manuel on it!
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I don't know if John is winding us up or not about passing on the fake notes, I hope he is. But if not I think it is a very mean trick.
The first thing to do would be to go back to the customer and if no satisfaction there then go straight to the Police.
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John,
Maybe Mr.Patel is struggling to make ends meet with his family, you didnt seem too happy that someone scammed you but your quite happy to do the same to someone else i think what you have done is out of order, make no wonder all us carpet cleaners seem to get tarred with a bad name, its disgraceful :( :(
Mark
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Mike you can speak for yourself ::)
I definitely wouldn't no matter what the price, & believe me i've been in enough situations to know and it was for far more than £50.
regards
steve
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Oh for gods sake. I think that John made a decision on what to do and did it (big deal). In some eyes it was the wrong thing to do and in others it was right. Spar are also to blame in the incident. They should not have given the notes back to John, they should have informed the Police. Im sure that all of you that think he was wrong have at some point broken the law ie, been paid cash for a job & not declared it, speeding, given to much change in a shop and took it the list goes on & on. At the end of the day all of these are breaking the law therefore should we all be banned from this forum? Im not saying John did the right thing as he should have gone back to the customer to try & get it sorted first then the Police.
Richie.
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John,
Personally I think you just hit rock bottom.
One minute your bleating on about having been stuck with a hundred quid in fakes notes and the next you are boasting about having passed them on to Mr Patel!
So it's ok for it to be Mr Patel's problem is it, but not yours. But what if Mr Patel works twice as hard as you and has ten times more problems that you do and needs that money ten times more than you do. What will he do with his hundred bent quid.
Well if he's got any brains he'll do what you should have done and phoned the police. And if the police have got anything about them they'll take a good look at Mr Patel's till roll and see who paid in cash and at what time and then check the time against the CCTV picture of you filling up your van and you handing over a hundred bent quid in payment. There isn't anywhere more stupid to have spent that bent money than at a petrol station brissling with CCTV cameras and number plate recognition gear.
What goes around comes around! Shame on you!
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I never said that john should be banned from the forum, maybe we all do break the law as you suggest but we dont come on the forum asking for advice then go and do exactly the same thing to someone else. By passing these notes on knowing that they are fake is a serious offence, doing 40 mph in a 30mph zone isnt.
John why did you state that you had passed these notes on to Mr.Patel did you think because it was an asian it would be funny. Why didnt you just say that you had filled the van up at the fuel station and passed them on?
Its to be hoped that the joe public dont have access to this forum!
Mark
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From the rozzers:
It is a crime to try to pass or possess a banknote that you either know or think to be counterfeit. If you inadvertently receive a note that you believe to be counterfeit, you should take it to the nearest police station.
www.kent.police.uk/Your%20Area/Medway/Medway_news/Counterfeit_notes.html
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Get of the moral high ground you sad people, i'll put money on it that you have all broken the law in someway at somepoint. He's made an error of judgement, have'nt we all at somepoint.
John, all you need to say is that you knew nothing of it and say where you got the notes from, The police wont report you to IR anyway, to much hasle for £100.
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Mark, tell that to the kid you hit doing 40 in a thirty, ??? It serious
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This is getting a bit silly , My local garage owner is not called Mr Patel , its a local garage that i have been using for the last 20 years of my life , when at the till in Spar I did not get them to scan every single note , after you lot correcting me in my ways I'm going to see my local garage owner first thing in the morning to make sure I have not passed on any fake money.
Richie I don't believe how you can admit to taking a cash job and not declaring it
John
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I think the point is john offered up his suggestion on an open forum as if it was
cool thing to do, and the result is many dont feel its good advice to break the
law and then boast about it, this guy at the garage is in business and has just
been ripped off !
i thought we were trying to be professional business men, a cut above the cowboys ???
steve
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Hi Guys
I am going to lock this topic to save anyone else digging holes.
Those concerned know what they have to do.
Cheers
Doug