Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dean Aspects on May 31, 2008, 09:09:50 am
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I hhave been looking to get a new van for a while and have decided it is a transit or vivaro
So i have seen a Transit 280 swb 02 plate and a Vivaro 1.9 2.7t 02 plate what would you value these vans at and would you recommend them or not faults etc
I know not seeing them doesnt help but just a general idea would help as i really dont know much about them
Dean
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i dont know much about cars/vans, but i also like both of them vans. when looking through ebay, i find that most of the vivaros have had such things done as new turbo, intercooler, gear problems, i know someone who had one from new, has spent a fortune on it and is now getting rid cause its too much hassle for him
never hear that from a trannie
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All the best getaway vehicles are transits ;D
Ive got an "s" reg ,bit old now but a good 1 none the less
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I like the look of both vans and i have heard alot of bad reports of the Vivaro gearbox so it does kinda put me off of them and Transits just keep on going i think the decision has been made i think i already knew it was the transit just needed to sound it out first
So what do i need to look out for on transits mechanically bodywork or anything else?
Dean
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Dean,
Have you looked at VW, they have a few good deals on the moment. Know a couple of window cleaners who have got one and have to say they are not bad.
You must be in the money then ;D
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Rubbish, there's been plenty of problems with Transits.
I've had a Trafic (Vivaro) for 13 months and had not had the slightest problem.
Ian's had his for nearly 3 years and no problem.
Don't believe the (bad) hype. ;)
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Rubbish, there's been plenty of problems with Transits.
I've had a Trafic (Vivaro) for 13 months and had not had the slightest problem.
Ian's had his for nearly 3 years and no problem.
Don't believe the (bad) hype. ;)
aye thats true, you hear stories from both sides dont ya. just i hear more bad about vivaro/traffic than i do about transit
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Rubbish, there's been plenty of problems with Transits.
I've had a Trafic (Vivaro) for 13 months and had not had the slightest problem.
Ian's had his for nearly 3 years and no problem.
Don't believe the (bad) hype. ;)
aye thats true, you hear stories from both sides dont ya. just i hear more bad about vivaro/traffic than i do about transit
Forget them both! VW Transporter thats the way to go!
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here here, thats the way im going 8)
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I would love a transporter but they are a little expensive at the moment its my next next van though as they look good drive good in fact its all good ive heard about them
Dean
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What size tank you puting in! is what you have to think about, I had a swb transit (before wfp) which was a good van, but had to sell as the payload was very low for a good size tank!
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Rubbish, there's been plenty of problems with Transits.
I've had a Trafic (Vivaro) for 13 months and had not had the slightest problem.
Ian's had his for nearly 3 years and no problem.
Don't believe the (bad) hype. ;)
aye thats true, you hear stories from both sides dont ya. just i hear more bad about vivaro/traffic than i do about transit
Forget them both! VW Transporter thats the way to go!
Nowhere near as nice inside as either of the others though.
And that's where you spend your time.
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Would go Transit, as I know someone who had a Vivaro from new and it was constantly back to the garage. I also know someone who's onto his 5th Transit and won't entertain anything else.
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hiace is the dog sumt grate vans just look at the taxys & see wot ther runing , stop start all day & night if thay dident sand up to it thay woodent use them ????
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I could recommend Toyota, had 03 plate from new & its cost next to nothing, £200 on last service & its worked hard, very hard. Out 5 days a week all over the place with employee driving that makes a big difference.
Had fiats, but find theyre flimsier if thats a word compared to Toyota. Doors jam & bits fall off etc.
Gary
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Rubbish, there's been plenty of problems with Transits.
I've had a Trafic (Vivaro) for 13 months and had not had the slightest problem.
Ian's had his for nearly 3 years and no problem.
Don't believe the (bad) hype. ;)
aye thats true, you hear stories from both sides dont ya. just i hear more bad about vivaro/traffic than i do about transit
Forget them both! VW Transporter thats the way to go!
Nowhere near as nice inside as either of the others though.
And that's where you spend your time.
Maybe not as nice and yes they are a bit basic inside (but perfectly adequate) but at least it is all built properly! Personally my preference is for reliability over everything else thats the main reason I rate transporters highly closely followed by build quality. I have a friend in the building trade. He used to work for a company and the van they supplied him was a brand new Vivaro. The thing was nothing but trouble from the start. One alarming thing that happened was the brake pads AND discs needed renewing after just 3000 miles. Another one was the engine mounting went and then the gearbox. My mate spent more time in the 12 months he had it in the hire van than his own. Then he left there and started his own building firm. After being put of vivaros for life he decided on a transit (second hand). He has had this for about 9 months now and he likes it but the gearbox(!) selector decided to pack up. He had to get a whole new gearbox because of that because you can't but the selector seperately! The other thing I have noticed is that there are the first signs of corrosion just begining to show round the arches. Not a lot but the signs are there. Apart from that though it seems to of been a good work horse for him and more reliable than the vivaro he had. He uses a lot and apart from the down time when the new gearbox was fitted (3 days from failure) it hasn't missed a day. Although a transporter would be my first choice if I had to choose between the two I would choose the transit. The vivaro family are nice looking vans but you hear a lot about things that have go wrong and people having loads of problems.
Really I don't know why we are having this conversation, it's obvious that nether of these vans are what you really need. Lady's and gentleman I give to you the real king of vans, the van that all you £500 per day'ers can only dream of. The one the only MAESTROVAN!!! ;D
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vivaro has gearbox problems- transit has clutch problems whats the difference. The vivaro is a nicer van to drive. The transporter ia a van in a totally different class, but so is the price along with the parts. Toyota on that plate only did a 90hp engine so a bit slow on acceloration, but will last forever and never let you down.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what van you want you will always find a problem, just take em for a test drive and decide what you like best
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i picked up my nissan primstar yesterday which is the same as the vivaro. amazing van to drive just like a car.
at the end of the day some people have had bad luck. it happens with all different vans.
i fancied the vw but was a bit out of my price range, but happy with what i got :)
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i would much rather need a new clutch that a new gearbox
transit, they do a 1200ky payload, in swb, the Renault traffic does one too, but the transit, is just a bit longer, but still petite, and has lots more room inside
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i,ve got an 03 vivaro and its a great workhorse and teriffic to drive , a pal of mine is a manager of a large commercial vehicle dealership and last week one of the big courier firms decided to drop the transit because of all the problems they,ve had and they were running 260 of them , swings and roundabouts really regards alan
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I noticed today that the AA use Vivaros and Trafics.
They're not going to choose an unreliable van are they?
Use your loaf. ::)
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The ford in that model is ugly,i reckon it`s 1 of the worst looking vans on the road at the moment if not the worst.
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the AA dont use five year old vans
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The AA also use transporters and along with the RAC. They both use that more than the traffic or vivaro.
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The AA also use transporters and along with the RAC. They both use that more than the traffic or vivaro.
And anyway the reason they do use vivaros, traffics or transporters don't have nothing to do with reliability it is to do with the purchasing/fleet contract hire deal they negotiated. They buy/lease in bulk and shop around for the best deal.
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had both transits and vivaro's now useing a movano and i have to say i dont think i would ever go back to a ford ever again. i have noticed a slight geer box problem with my 03 movano just lately,but thats still a minor problem to the one i have had with every transit i have owned, and thats simply the fact that they turn into compleat rust boxs within 6 years or so.
ford transit -----never again
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The AA also use transporters and along with the RAC. They both use that more than the traffic or vivaro.
Can't say I've noticed that, but if they did, that's besides the point.
They wouldn't use a crap unreliable van.
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The AA also use transporters and along with the RAC. They both use that more than the traffic or vivaro.
And anyway the reason they do use vivaros, traffics or transporters don't have nothing to do with reliability it is to do with the purchasing/fleet contract hire deal they negotiated. They buy/lease in bulk and shop around for the best deal.
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I cant remember the website now but its one of these compare products against each other type sites and the vw transporter scored top marks and averaged 9.3 out of ten and left the mercedes vito well behind
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just bought a fiat ducato an 05 plate for 5500 19000 miles on the clock did look at vivaro primastar trafic and ford but was put off by problem with gearbox so went for a fiat as its the same as pug and citroen and much cheaper to buy than the others i have had vws but they are expensive and hard to find one thats not been round the clock twice but at the end of the day as long as it does what you bought it for what does it matter . ;D ;D
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Ive had a traffic since 2003 and no probs whatso ever, maybe coming up for sale very soon but perhaps this isnt the place to advertise it for sale after all the comments ::)
03 traffic 35k vgc £5000, norwich norfolk
stu
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ive got a traffic 02 ,120000 miles ,drives like a dream,gearbox is sound.
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None of this is helping me make a decision ;D
Dean
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sprinter ;D
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I had to replace my kangoo a couple months ago as the rear axle snapped.
I wanted a Transporter but after talking to a few people with them i was told they were fine unloaded, but with weight in the back they struggled.
I went for an 02 Transit as they are cheap and easy to repair.
Only problem i have with it is that some of the jobs i have, the Transit is too big to get to them.
I have got the Kangoo fixed but am going to have to kit this van out if i want to keep the jobs.
I have dropped a couple,but there's some i would like to keep.
Think about the access to jobs aswell when deciding on what van.
The more work you pick up the bigger van would be better, but remember about the work you already have, unless you are in the positon to drop some.
Craig
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My next vehicle change will probably be around Autumn 2010 when I finish the loan for my current one. The longer wheelbas, bigger payload Toyota Hiace looks a distinct possibility. My Vivarolike Trafic seems OK but I've never trusted it fully since the gearbox went at 39,000 miles (under warranty).
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transits are really good at carrying the weight ..very torquey engines.
i had a 51 plate t280 swb 100bhp.
only thing to look out for o tem is the clutch and dual mass flywheels as thwey cost around 700 to replace.
on the good side though they have timing chains not belts...one less worry
shawn
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I noticed today that the AA use Vivaros and Trafics.
They're not going to choose an unreliable van are they?
Use your loaf. ::)
The Post Office use Iveco's......I would'nt buy one of those!
As as another poster already mentioned - theres a world of difference between running a brand spanky new one and a five year old van.
The Post Office, AA, RAC and big courier firms will get enormous discounts when buying vans in the hundreds and I'm sure Vauxhall, Iveco, Ford and the like all try very hard to secure those contracts so what 'sweeteners' they chuck into the deal well never know (longer warranties, free vans for breakdowns etc. etc.)
I've rented a Vivaro for a weekend and thought it was horrible. It was terribly slow and a little bit skittish for such a small van....but its the best looking van by far.
Personally my money would go to Transit. Easy for parts, every mechanic knows how to work on them. Lots in the scrappers for cheap bits and bobs and an impeccable record for realibility.
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when 'm not window cleaning I also run a van hire business, which means I get to hear all the good and bad on vans.
1/ vivaros and movanos have gearbox and engine problems - but not every van
2/ transit have problems with the dual mass flywheel ( clutch ) but valeo do a convertion to get rid of em for £240.
the AA might use vivaro/traffic vans, but BT/ british gas/ RAC and a load of other companies use transits. All these vans are good vans, but if enough are sold they will have thetr problems. In a way for so many of these vans to be sold must mean that they must be fairly good
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So... :-\ all vans are good but they all have their faults ::)
Dean
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I've rented a Vivaro for a weekend and thought it was horrible. It was terribly slow and a little bit skittish for such a small van....but its the best looking van by far.
Slow? ;D
I can see off a lot of cars in mine, let alone vans.
I can accelerate up hills at 55mph in 6th gear with half a ton onboard.
214lb/ft torque, thankyou very much.
I think you're getting mixed up with something else. ???
Personally my money would go to Transit. Easy for parts, every mechanic knows how to work on them. Lots in the scrappers for cheap bits and bobs and an impeccable record for realibility.
Transits? Impeccable reliability? ;D
The latest model may be, but not the old ones.
I used to work at a Ford garage.
Old Transits were a nightmare!
What the hell is this post? ;D
Got to be a wind-up from a guest surely!
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I'm sorry. Do I need to have posted a certain number of times before I have an input?
A wind up? Why?
Because I have driven a vivaro and didnt rate it? If you'd like to know my full verdict of the vivaro....here goes
The 6 gears are a joke. Maybe a clever marketing ploy but just a pain in the behind most of the time. A decent turbo would do the job better and deliver the power when and where its needed. 6 gears around town is just silly. You're pumping that box like a fiddler on steriods ;D As I said, I found it skittish for such a small van. I've driven Sprinters and Daily's that hold the road better and they're twice the size both in height and lengh.
We've got an 'M' reg transit and apart from 'wear and tear' items its never needed so much as a new bolt. Its slow, its noisy, it smells of diesel...but it just keeps chugging along.
We've also had an Iveco Daily (the massive xlwb thing) 3 years old when we bought, it needed a new gearbox at 65k an engine rebuild at 71k (which I manged to get Iveco to pay half after many threats of court action) things were always falling off it or breaking off!!
A Merc Sprinter we ran for 3 years was very nice but horribly expensive to maintain and service....now that beast was fast!!
Sorry if you feel I've 'dissed' your van but I'm certainly NOT winding you up and after spending the best part of 20 years pushing vans up and down the country I feel I've earnt the right to comment on the one I drove.
As I said, the nicest thing about the vivaro is its looks. I remember when they first came out thinking to myself - now thats one good looking van.
Would I buy one? No.
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You must have driven a lemon, or you're thinking of a different van. ???
Skittish? I can corner bloody faster than you'd ever want to in a van.
There's hardly any body roll or loss of grip.
6-box is great.
The turbo is a massive boost on mine.
Over 50 yards there ain't much quicker, it eats road, and I can also drive through town at 25mph in 4th and accelerate without ever needing to change gear.
I had a Sprinter for a week, and it wasn't in the same league.
Slower, too cumbersome, and too noisy.
If the Trafic/Vivaro wasn't too great to drive I'd admit it.
I think you'll struggle to find anyone around here who doesn't rate how it drives.
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I drove a brand spanking new 1 and it pulled to the left,i did like it though but it`s no where near as good as the Transporter.It`s second place to the VW in my book.
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be careful squeeky theres a lot faster out there if you look. Six speed boxes ARE a godsend as our man says and yes overall they are a great little van. The main problem is that most of us buy secondhand - after all the recovery and courier companies have finished with them, and thats when the problem starts. If your going to buy a secon hand van, buy a van that was well established in the market at the time, not a new model on the market, or a model with a new type engine
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Squeaky has a new van.
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Squeaky has a new van.
8)
;D
Well, it's over a year old now.
Got 5,100 miles on the clock. :o
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I drive a short wheelbase Daily and it's not fast at the best of times unless I'm going up steep hills then it outperforms against the others (fully laden). It has a smaller turning circumference than a Fiat Scudo because that was my previous van so it was easy to compare the difference.
I would like either another uprated Fiat Scudo (for economy and speed), a 140ps Transit for poke or a Transporter 170ps jobbie for the speed when I'm not working for commuting down to Plymouth most week-ends
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I drive a short wheelbase Daily and it's not fast at the best of times unless I'm going up steep hills then it outperforms against the others (fully laden). It has a smaller turning circumference than a Fiat Scudo because that was my previous van so it was easy to compare the difference.
I would like either another uprated Fiat Scudo (for economy and speed), a 140ps Transit for poke or a Transporter 170ps jobbie for the speed when I'm not working for commuting down to Plymouth most week-ends
Transporter 174 is the ultimate van for work and pleasure.
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I drive a short wheelbase Daily and it's not fast at the best of times unless I'm going up steep hills then it outperforms against the others (fully laden). It has a smaller turning circumference than a Fiat Scudo because that was my previous van so it was easy to compare the difference.
I would like either another uprated Fiat Scudo (for economy and speed), a 140ps Transit for poke or a Transporter 170ps jobbie for the speed when I'm not working for commuting down to Plymouth most week-ends
Transporter 174 is the ultimate van for work and pleasure.
Yes I'm sure it's a pleasure to keep going back to the garage at 20-25mpg. ;D
Sod that.
It's plasticy and rattely inside too, in that classic VW way!
I looked at it, but didn't like it.
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My van is all paid for so I owe nothing. Not beholden to any credit company for it so at 25mpg or whatever it is I'm not going to lose any sleep. Vivaros only do 33-35 -ish if I'm not wrong.
A Fiat Scudo is the most economical in that group of vans. I travel a lot now and want something fast and practical to save time evenings and week-ends. Time is just as important as money and want to reduce my journey times now whilst still having a practical van for work.
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Not beholden to any credit company for it so at 25mpg or whatever it is I'm not going to lose any sleep. Vivaros only do 33-35 -ish if I'm not wrong.
Spot on actually. ;)
But 8-10 mpg more at today's diesel prices is a more of a difference than you'd think over weeks and months.
Still, like you said, if you've got no payments then you're quids-in anyway.
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Alex wingrove did you get your van direct from bt?
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Vivaro
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Transit.
Cheap to fix
Vivaro expensive
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Transit.
Cheap to fix
Vivaro expensive
Transit ugly.
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Transit.
Cheap to fix
Vivaro expensive
Transit ugly.
vivaro do look nice I have to say