Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dean Aspects on May 30, 2008, 09:58:27 am
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I have just changed over to using Tulsion resin and have used up the first di vessel it did 5000ltrs approx thats with a small 4.6ltr vessel dont know if that is good with a tds of between 25/35 second di is still at 000
Dean
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jeezo i was expecting that stuff to last for ages. I have 2 x 11ltr tanks and hope to get a goodbit of lif eout of the resin when i start.
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ive just bought some so i will be interested how long it lasts for .
25 litres is supposed to last 27000 litres , i divided 25l by your 4.6l comes out at 5, so if you divide 27000 litres x5 it means you should get 5000 litres of pure if it works that way ! so it sounds about right dean but im no pro
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Dean,
You should be getting more, your di vessel is too small. You'll need to slow the flow rate down if your set up is di straight into tank.
By slowing your flow rate down the tds will drop back down
Doug
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i be requiring some of yer resin DA. best way to do this ?
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Doug
The second DI is 7 litre (i already had the small one so just used it) they are both after the pump i put tap water into the tank then pump then DI
Would you put the DI before the tank so pure goes into the tank would this make any difference?
Dean
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The only problem with pump-di , is that it puts pressure on the pump. A lot of window cleaners I know have had pump problems with this set up.
The flow rate from pump would though be ok for the small di vessel.
I would expect you to get around 32,000+ litres.
Having said that I was looking at a set up the other day and resin was coming out of the di vessel, have never seen that before as resin should not escape in that amount. So if resin is escaping out of a di vessel then that is money going down the drain.
Did you have a good holiday.
Doug
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I have had this set up for the past 2 1/2 years with the same pump and the pump has been fine never had a problem
Is the 32,000 litres for the whole bag of resin?
As for the holiday it was great 8) although i have never seen so many clothes with gold and silver lame` the Italians have gone overboard with it ;D
Dean
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Doug
How much is your resin ?
Dave
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I paid £77 for 25ltrs that includes delivery
Dean
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If so i think Doug needs to review his prices.
For me £77.00 is expensive, most other places sell it for £68.00 plus vat
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I got the last lot for £65.55 plus vat from wcw
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Its £68 plus delivery
Dean
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Dean,
Yes for the whole bag, gald you enjoyed your hols.
JSMC,
Just give us a bell, I'll deliver it up to you. For Central Scotland £74 delivered.
Dave,
On Ebay it is £78 delivered, on my website it is £76 delivered, no vat charged. So a pound cheaper than wcw and more value for your money. There are guys in Central Scotland like yourself were going through a bag a month, they now order from me every 2.5 months. They were using Purolite, and have to agree that wcw is the cheapest place for Purolite.
Doug
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d.a so if i ordered 3 bags delevered to manchester what would the price be?
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Ronnie,
Will mail you.
Doug
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I got the last lot for £65.55 plus vat from wcw
It would be robbery to pay 6.50 for that stuff let alone 65.55 + the rest! :P
Tony
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I got the last lot for £65.55 plus vat from wcw
It would be robbery to pay 6.50 for that stuff let alone 65.55 + the rest! :P
Tony
Thats a little harsh £6.50 I would be on a winner and the best on the market would not sell, Dave has been using it a long time and seems to do ok in business so it cant be that bad, I have heard many stories about it though and only use Dowex myself.
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well im back to RO next week 1 bag of resin a year hooah not the 1 bag a week we did when the van was in
for repair....... 800 .........litres a day 5 days a week 1 bag or resin at 280ppm a week
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is dowex bigger in size the bits itself then say mb400 or the same coz bits of resin are gettin through
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I got the last lot for £65.55 plus vat from wcw
It would be robbery to pay 6.50 for that stuff let alone 65.55 + the rest! :P
Tony
Thats a little harsh £6.50 I would be on a winner and the best on the market would not sell, Dave has been using it a long time and seems to do ok in business so it cant be that bad, I have heard many stories about it though and only use Dowex myself.
Dave doing well in business & using it for a long time mean absolutley nothing ww!
I suggest you switch over to purolite & see how your business goes. ;)
Tony
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I got the last lot for £65.55 plus vat from wcw
It would be robbery to pay 6.50 for that stuff let alone 65.55 + the rest! :P
Tony
Thats a little harsh £6.50 I would be on a winner and the best on the market would not sell, Dave has been using it a long time and seems to do ok in business so it cant be that bad, I have heard many stories about it though and only use Dowex myself.
Dave doing well in business & using it for a long time mean absolutley nothing ww!
I suggest you switch over to purolite & see how your business goes. ;)
Tony
Think I will stick with Dowex myself ;)
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i thought you said purolite was crap
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i thought you said purolite was crap
Read all the comments on it it is not sounding good.
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is dowex beads of resin bigger
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is dowex beads of resin bigger
would not now I dont measure resin beads to be honest lol
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is dowex beads of resin bigger
Don't know BUT yesterday i had to take all my pump box to bits, inside is a micro-mesh strainer. After 3 months use not one bead of resin was in it, a few bits of dirt but no resin at all. (dowex). ;)
Tony
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£1.00 of resin makes me £200 in takings ok i could get that down to maybe 80p per £200 if i listened to some, wow.
Doug what iam saying is that if i bought resin off you i couldnt claim the vat back which is about a tenner, if i bought Tulsion from purefreedom i could get it £79 delivered and claim back the tenner vat making it £69.00.
I spoke to a couple of suppliers today about Tulsion and they both admitted there wasnt much in it, it is marginal the extra you get out of it.
Macmac
Are you the same mac with the rottweillers ?
no resin in my filters neither
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is dowex beads of resin bigger
Don't know BUT yesterday i had to take all my pump box to bits, inside is a micro-mesh strainer. After 3 months use not one bead of resin was in it, a few bits of dirt but no resin at all. (dowex). ;)
Tony
Same here no resin in my filters either (dowex)
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[quote ]I spoke to a couple of suppliers today about Tulsion and they both admitted there wasnt much in it, it is marginal the extra you get out of it.
Well, never in a million years would i expect them to tell you that! ;D ::)
P.S. wish i was a supplier in your area, i'd have a field day with your profits! ;)
Tony
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Tony
Do you think i am some kind of mug ?
The profits suppliers make on my resin sales is peanuts to me.
The bottom line is i dont care about saving a few pennys,
Another thing if you were a supplier , never in a million years would i ever deal with you.
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Tony
Do you think i am some kind of mug ?
The profits suppliers make on my resin sales is peanuts to me.
The bottom line is i dont care about saving a few pennys,
Another thing if you were a supplier , never in a million years would i ever deal with you.
Dave if you read into the post he was making a valid point, asking a supplier which is best and getting the answer they are nearly the same makes you think go for the cheap which they make more profit on.
A good business man will always look for the right deal for them, saving a few pence could cost you alot more and be a silly business move, I understand this logic I have done it to my expense I learnt from it, I research and go from there.
And this is what I am guessing you are doing when posting about this topic.
Ian
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Tony
Do you think i am some kind of mug ?
The profits suppliers make on my resin sales is peanuts to me.
The bottom line is i dont care about saving a few pennys,
Another thing if you were a supplier , never in a million years would i ever deal with you.
You would, cos' then i would tell you only what you want to hear. ;)
pennys add up, so do peanuts come to think of it :-\
Tony
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Dave
On a serious note ;) this is what i actually think.
Although i wouldn't recommend purolite to anyone, because of the way your system is set up you won't see that much benefit between brands anyway.
If i was turning over what you do, i too would choose simplicity over resin cost. ;)
Tony
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Time is not always best spent penny pinching though, what's better use of time I hour canvassing or building/ pushing your business forward or looking for small savings on consumables?
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Time is not always best spent penny pinching though, what's better use of time I hour canvassing or building/ pushing your business forward or looking for small savings on consumables?
Too true, i can't understand why people seem so reluctant to pay for top quality poles. the piece of equipment that makes ALL the difference in this job. :-\
Tony
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I am going RO soon, just witing to clear my garage and garden,, to set up will cost me about £900, roughly a years resin.
Ongoing costs will be carbon and sediment changes = £200 a year
Bag of resin = £80 a year
Ro membrane £400 every 4 years,
Electricity costs ?
Waste water costs on water bill ?
Yes i probably would save money, but i have to work out if that saving is worth the added hassle and space taken up in the garden.
I tried to buy Tulsion today to set up an experiment, but no one had any to sell me, didnt try Doug as he is too expensive.
Macmac
Your not going soft in your old age are you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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I am going RO soon, just witing to clear my garage and garden,, to set up will cost me about £900, roughly a years resin.
Ongoing costs will be carbon and sediment changes = £200 a year
Bag of resin = £80 a year
Ro membrane £400 every 4 years,
Electricity costs ?
Waste water costs on water bill ?
Yes i probably would save money, but i have to work out if that saving is worth the added hassle and space taken up in the garden.
I tried to buy Tulsion today to set up an experiment, but no one had any to sell me, didnt try Doug as he is too expensive.
Macmac
Your not going soft in your old age are you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
I am guessing thats a 4040, how much water do you use a day average ?
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Doug what iam saying is that if i bought resin off you i couldnt claim the vat back which is about a tenner, if i bought Tulsion from purefreedom i could get it £79 delivered and claim back the tenner vat making it £69.00.
Dave,
Sorry I'm confused, you can claim all the costs so the full £76 you can claim, it is all on one Invoice. I am not vat registered for business reasons. The £76 then gets deducted off your account, hope that makes sense.
Funny though, all suppliers are starting to get onto the band wagon in requesting Tuslion when they had never even heard of it until my good self entered it into the market. So it must be good, and all the marketing that I did has worked. ;)
Unfortunately as in my past post you will find that resin will not be a stocked item with a lot of manufacturers now moving their sales accross to Europe. So the lead time for resin orders will move out to 8 - 12 weeks which may cause shortages in the market. Hence why we need all makes in our market as one product will not sustain the volume required.
All this competition is good as well for the window cleaning industry, looks as if it paid off with wcw bringing their prices down. ;D
On a last note I have very few bags left so will probably run out of stock, but do have stock coming in the next few weeks.
Hope this makes sense and never order at the last minute as some suppliers will accept your order even though they do not have stock. Then you will have to wait a couple of weeks for your order so always ask if they have it in before you order.
Cheers
Doug
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Doug
you miss the point abot vat.
When i buy resin at £80 about £11.00 is vat which the tax man will give me straight back in my hand,
Then the other £69 can be offset against my end of year accounts.
so a bag which is vat free but still costs £80.00 I get relief on £80 so that = £24 saved in tax
As oppsed to a bag whish is £69.00 + vat , i get 30% relief on £69.00 = £20.70 saved in tax + £11.00 back in vat = £31.70.
So a bag of £80 resin without the vat included costs me an extra £7.70
Hope this makes sence to you.
You seriously need to review your business skills
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Point taken Dave, never looked at it that way.
Will be vat registered in the future but in the mean time will not as it benefits my business plan, which I do have. ;) Will not go into details but there is some logic in my plan. But may be soon forced down that route which I need to discuss with my accountant.
It's a bit like the 40p rule which we have discussed which suits my business outlook but not yours.
Why not buy a bag of Sybron of Alex as he is just down the road from you, then see what performance that gives you against Purolite. Or buy a bag of Dowex to keep Tony quiet, now that is a challenge. ;D
Cheers
Doug
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Doug
If you want to sell to vat registered businesses you will need to reduce the price to them or they wont buy.
I wish you every success with your business plan, hope everything works well
What is the 40p rule ?
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ww
we use 1500 - 2000 a day approx,
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Doug
If you want to sell to vat registered businesses you will need to reduce the price to them or they wont buy.
I wish you every success with your business plan, hope everything works well
What is the 40p rule ?
Dave, I aint that thick ;D
If I went vat registered price would be £57 + vat, as well as delivery. Would still come to £67 plus delivery.
The 40p rule was what you can claim against mileage, you either claim all van running costs or claim the 40p rule which I have to say in the current climate is now looking not to good. The Government need to raise that to 50p per mile.
Doug
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Or buy a bag of Dowex to keep Tony quiet, now that is a challenge.
No, don't get him on dowex, there'll be none left for us!!!!!
DA- thinking about cracking that bag of tulsion even though i've still got nearly a full bag of dowex. :-\ It would give me the ability to comment from experience then & hopefully back-up your hard earned research in bringing us this product. ;)
Tony