Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jewelcleaning on May 27, 2008, 09:22:04 pm
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I'm not trying to start a WFP vs Trad thing again, so please don't anyone start, and if anyone does, please don't reply to it.
However, I would like some advice as to how to clean windows that aren't new uPVC with WFP?
I've found painted frames leave spots and runs of spots, even after 3 cleans, and the same with my older uPVC windows, but only on the back of the house.
What do you do? Do you only take on plastic? Or charge more for the painted frames?
Comments Appreciated!!
Thanks in advance.
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ive just done my 3rd cleans today and they are 100 times better but i (think) some of my houses will take about 5 or 6 times to get perfect beause i have a v lot of 2 weekly houses that are so much harder to get right than my monthlys.. but overall wood, old upvc im happy with the results so far...... when all the soap as gone i will be competely happy...
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Why do you say the two weekly's are harder to get clean than the monthly's? Because of the extra soap?
Also, I thought I was happy with the results on a couple of jobs, but on closer inspection when they'd dried, I wasn't happy at all!
It seems that doing them twice in a short period of time (ie 30mins)doesn't seem to make much difference either?!?
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The more you clean them the better they will get,on wooden windows you have to get all the dirt out of the cracks and crevices you don`t have them so much on plastic that`s why they come good quicker.Forget 2-3 cleans,have a proper look at them after 5-6 cleans and then see.
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So do you not charge for the 5-6 cleans? I know, silly question, but I don't like having shoddy work to my name!
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ive just asked the customers to bare with me and i promise that each time i do it will be better than the last till there perfect everytime.... but im still doing first cleans now on some of my work and my technique is so much better than 4 weeks ago and i might not get my first cleans perfect but there no where near as bad as they were when i started, i dont get runs anymore, maybe spots (a few).. my fortnightlys are caked in soap.....
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30 mins wait is not long enough. clean them 1st time including frames, wait till completely dry then do them again with a lower flow and stay well clear of the frame. you don't want splashes getting into the nooks and crannys this is why I say a lower flow 2nd time.
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SOAP.... thats my theory anyway.....
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ive got to much work to go back and do it again and no where near enough time, i try and get it as good as i can on first clean and maybe let them have a few spots or runs for 2 or 4 weeks..... i let them know i even said to some customers "to be honest they may be a mess" i coudnt believe they understand, well most do... happy with results now and i think it may be down to the technique..... i now know to rinse rinse and rinse... diddnt at first.
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Yeah rinsing. I'm using a back pack for everything, and I'm so tight with the water coz I don't want to keep having to refill, I only use setting one. So not only does it take ages to rinse, it's probably not enough flow anyway.
Tomo I'll use a higher setting and look even more like a wally wheeling more barrels of water all over the place!
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using such a low setting just takes longer, so your rinsing for longer (hence) probably using just as much water as a higher flow rate because your doing it a lot quicker. i use a trolley so im a bit tight with the water as well but on my first few cleans its on at least 4, number 1 dosnt even let any water out...
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I did a first clean today that was upvc on the tops and painted wooden on the bottoms, all the frames and glass had a good wash down and rinse tops and bottoms! I then clean my brushes and go around the glass only again the windows in the painted frames came out perfectly ok I don't shy away from any type of window except badly flaking frames you just need to rinse well on first cleans.
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Thanks for the comments - V helpful. :)
So do you not find that quite a few have flaky paint? I had one the other day, and I got the ladders off coz i was paranoid!
However, I know that they weren't perfect, because I did them I+O, but they were filthy, so much improved, and I think I know what is acceptable with trad, but with Pure Water, I think I expect too much possibly?
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flacky frames, i just do the glass and find without doing the frames i get a good job on first clean....
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flacky frames, i just do the glass and find without doing the frames i get a good job on first clean....
Rinse on the glass or off? Fan or pencil jets?
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;) Jay setting one is ample!
If your tight with the water the results shows! ::)
I have never had to tell my customers "they will get better!"
I say "IF" there should be any spotting...CALL ME I will come back and clean the offending window! 8)
It's never happened yet! 8)
Come on the system is brilliant stop worrying!
Think about it...
Do you wash your dishes in an inch of water or do you fill the bowl??? :o
Get back down to Deal for a Day and come out with either myself, Johnny or even Matt
I promise not to be sarcastic! Ha Ha ;D ;D ;D
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i usualy do a quick rinse on and then a quick rinse off but today i was feeling extremely tired so i was tending to rinse on especially in the later part of the day (im a cowboy) i checked the jobs and they seemed ok.... how many houses do you do a day?
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some will never be perfect but you learn to adopt and change your technique to give the best possible results, some will not agree but i feel that in my experience your corrct, new upvc is great anything is else can be a knightmare.
most my jobs had about 36 cleans now has well, but dont worry you will get most to a decent level but that wont always be totally spot free. :)
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i dont work mondays and the only reason that i am working fridays is becasue i am working some old guys work (businesses) whilst he is away for a few months... weekends is with out a shadow of a doubt for me an my family time... ive been doing it 5th week now and under no circumstances do i have time to go back around all the work and do it again.... and i have to say it now i think my job is spot on, not 100% but at least 95%... some are perfect.... my motto is i work to live not live to work, working at the weekend is not an option... and by the way i do do a good job especially now im getting used to the system.
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my last post was a reply to a post just before it that as just disapeared, how as that happened?
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I just wont do really flaking frames cant see the point, there really not suited to wfp, if I quote a house and notice them then the quote is not going to be excepted, I have made a point since going wfp of only targeting houses I want to clean and as such I don't advertise any more I target houses not people.
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;) Jay setting one is ample!
If your tight with the water the results shows! ::)
I have never had to tell my customers "they will get better!"
I say "IF" there should be any spotting...CALL ME I will come back and clean the offending window! 8)
It's never happened yet! 8)
Come on the system is brilliant stop worrying!
Think about it...
Do you wash your dishes in an inch of water or do you fill the bowl??? :o
Get back down to Deal for a Day and come out with either myself, Johnny or even Matt
I promise not to be sarcastic! Ha Ha ;D ;D ;D
Yeah Jonny told me setting one was ok - That's the only reason I'm tight with the water, if I use a higher setting, it only lasts a couple of windows! So I still rinse throughly, just takes a while I suppose.
BUT - I've found that painted frames tend to leave spots and runs.
Yeah I offer to return and redo the offending windows too, and haven't had a call yet. Generally you can tell if there's going to be any major streaks etc by the time you've finished the job, and redo any as necessary. Sometimes it's best not to say about 'some spots possibly left' as they'll probably be over-critical then
In fact, I called one custie to ask if they could leave the gate open, and then asked how the windows had dried last time (1st time WFP) She said 'Quite bad - I can hardly see out of them in fact!!' I immediately said that she should have called, as I would have redone them, and that I'd do them next time free, but she said 'No, that's fine' :o :o
She didn't want them done for another few weeks, and would call me, I thought that would be the end of that job, but the next day I got a call from a friend of theirs who wanted me to clean her windows based on their recommending me, so who knows?
Thanks for the offer of a day, I did that before I bought the system, to find out what gear I should get. I came down and did a bit with Jonny and Cam. I ended up doing some of my old custies that Jonny had since picked up! They looked quite shocked to see me!
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chris did you just write a post about me working saturdays or am i going mad, what happened? ??? ??? ???
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Kris sorry I self moderated and removed my post I didn't want to suggest you wasn't doing a good job but that was how my post read so I removed it.
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i dont work mondays and the only reason that i am working fridays is becasue i am working some old guys work (businesses) whilst he is away for a few months... weekends is with out a shadow of a doubt for me an my family time... ive been doing it 5th week now and under no circumstances do i have time to go back around all the work and do it again.... and i have to say it now i think my job is spot on, not 100% but at least 95%... some are perfect.... my motto is i work to live not live to work, working at the weekend is not an option... and by the way i do do a good job especially now im getting used to the system.
chris did you just write a post about me working saturdays or am i going mad, what happened? ??? ??? ???
So what keeps you busy at w/e's?
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at the moment ive been saving up for my wedding next month so im skint.. but usualy i go away with the family, camping, holidays etc or going to the lakes walking round the fells with mi woman and the dog..... or getting very drunk with my friends but thats getting fewer and farrer between now im getting older..
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when the guy comes back who im doing is work for i will have to start doing my own work on friday maybe half a day or so because im not doing about £300's worth of work a week.. need to start getting it all done.
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£300 in 1/2 a day? Not bad! :o :o :o :o :o
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there are 2 of us and it dosnt quite work out like that expenses etc.. and we always make more money in the morning without fail...