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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: xxmattyxx on May 26, 2008, 03:44:55 pm
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Who uses one?
And how do you get on with it?
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i,m thinking of getting one so comments would be appreciated regards alan
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i use it, with no problems what so ever, i was lucky to buy it second hand for 25 quid, ;D it really is this easy to use, www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvWhWI8eFc
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any idea how heavy it is ?
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very little weight to it, its only a little switch about the size of a match box
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He's sending me one and the reason I want it is so that I can stay out longer cleaning windows before the water runs out.
I am finding that all the small improvements I make to my work add up. When I went hot (i was the first to DIY on this site to my knowledge) I thought all i've got to lose is £300 if it doesn't work. But it did work.
The electric reel was an £80 gamble for the drill, but that paid off too.
Peter's brush, if you tried to do it yourself, would cost a fortune in both time, parts, and sourcing. At £69 it has to be a bargain.
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think i will wait till peters improved clampless pole is ready and then buy the 2 together regards alan
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Thanks guys.
I currently use a vikan brush, would Peters brush fit on to the thread on the pole I use for this?
Matt
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if its a salmon brush, yes it will fitt, it did with mine,
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ive got one of peter auto brushes and they are great. it does save a fair bit of time and water. ive just bought a second reel and hose and got a vikin on an xtel, with a flow control valve.
and its a right pain so i will be getting anther1 :)
i would recomed it to anyone.
its on and off at an instant, much better than a flow control valve ;)
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Why is it better than a flow control valve?? Are they in the van so you need to keep going back there??
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saves turning pump off all the time,have 1 on my trolley system
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Why is it better than a flow control valve?? Are they in the van so you need to keep going back there??
no its just like a on off valve at the end of your hose to turn th water on and off as when required
the auto brush turns the water on and off at the brush end :)
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Who uses one?
And how do you get on with it?
Hi mate,
I've been using one for the last 2 1/2 years and personally think it's a great brush,
gets most stubborn marks IE birds muck of with ease and having the switch on the brush head i find very easy to use, yes it does take a little time to get used to especially windows with deep recesses but you'll soon get use to it.
Another thing is you do get good backup service with peter and that i think is very important.
John
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If you want more water get a bigger tank,if you added up how much it would save you over the course of the day it would be minimal,when my waters on i`m cleaning window`s.I`m not saying it`s not a good invension but when it comes to water saving i would say it`s not that much unless your very wastefull when using normal jets,it would be a much better brush if the fans were fitted on top of the brush itself.This brush comes with lots of bristles missing from it which is a shame.
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Pity none of the manuf make a 4 jet Ott brush :'(
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Pity none of the manuf make a 4 jet Ott brush :'(
I wouldn`t say you needed 4 jets with Peters fan jets they would benefit more from being in a different place ie right at the top of the brush,i have used 1 breifly and there were to many bristles missing which is needed in order for it to fan with it jetted in the middle of the brush like they are.
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I think it was jikwan that had an idea of using a plate to bounce/reflect the spray fan jets of in a downward direction.
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I think it was jikwan that had an idea of using a plate to bounce/reflect the spray fan jets of in a downward direction.
On that brush if i was going to remove bristles it would be in the top row only,brushes that are fanned in the middle are useless unless loads of bristles are removed.
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I did use one for a year and stopped about a year ago and it was good.
But ...
I only got it because it was Peter's suggested solution to the remote control on my trolley system being temperamental in operation.
I don't know if Peter has changed the switch, but mine would jam "off" from time to time which was irritating. It would then need disassembling and freeing up or replacing (which Peter would do without charge)
Also it would sometimes catch against window surrounds and switch on or off inadvertently. And the extra thickness with it mounted on the brush meant it couldn't always slide behind door handles without catching.
I changed to a tap on my belt and think that overall that is better.
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I've got a tap at the moment, and already use fans and rinse on, In theory it should be great for me, The only anti point i've seen so far is not sliding between guard railings.
Unless you try these things you nevder know.
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just use a trigger. cheaper to buy, quicker and easier to use and a lot less weight on the wrong end of your pole
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it would be a much better brush if the fans were fitted on top of the brush itself.This brush comes with lots of bristles missing from it which is a shame.
I wouldn't fit fan jets on top of the brush, I have tried it in the past, but it brings dirt down from above. The one you seen might have been the 15" one, I also do two other sizes with much more bristles.
Peter
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it would be a much better brush if the fans were fitted on top of the brush itself.This brush comes with lots of bristles missing from it which is a shame.
I wouldn't fit fan jets on top of the brush, I have tried it in the past, but it brings dirt down from above. The one you seen might have been the 15" one, I also do two other sizes with much more bristles.
Peter
I did have the 15" 1,i would like to try 1 of the other 1`s you have though.
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I don't know if Peter has changed the switch, but mine would jam "off" from time to time which was irritating. It would then need disassembling and freeing up or replacing (which Peter would do without charge)
Yes Malc that problem is fixed, I have to replace very little valves now. Your would have been a plastic toggle, now they are metal.
Peter
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just use a trigger. cheaper to buy, quicker and easier to use and a lot less weight on the wrong end of your pole
A trigger is OK when you use different sizes of pole for all the different heights you work at, but if you use a pole where you add and take away sections then they are no good. And what about all the hose in front of the pole when you use the pole not fully extended?
The weight at the end of the pole is negligible, the Autobush is lighter than most other brushes on the market anyway.
Yes maybe the brush is a bit more expensive depending on how much you spend on triggers, but all the parts can be transferred from an old brush when it is done, to a new one.
Peter
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Pity none of the manuf make a 4 jet Ott brush :'(
there is a company that does them, heres the link
www.emporiumpoles.co.uk/?pages_id=830
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Is the flow rate restricted any, by the switch on the auto brush???
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Not in use.
Peter
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Thank you Pete. ;)
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just use a trigger. cheaper to buy, quicker and easier to use and a lot less weight on the wrong end of your pole
Have you got a picture of this "trigger" ?
It sound interesting
I just use a valve sometimes its just too far away! :-\
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very true peter but what it the window your cleaning has no reveals,and to turn the brush on and off you have to keep turning the brush though 90 degrees to the frame. Also yes you are right that it is easier to change a brush rather than a trigger, but good triggers are as cheap as £28.00 so for the price of one brush I can have nearly three triggers. Dont get me wrong I actually think the autobrush is a good idea- as good as using triggers and yes I did have a second hand one, just didnt get on with it, I found triggers quicker, easier and saves more water. This is my own opinion using it on my round. If someone elses round is different with a different style window it might be the other way round
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That 15" brush is only workable on large panes of glass,it`s not a brush you could use on every house-job as it wouldn`t be practical.
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I have just looked on Wintex
Their triggers...
Am I right in thinking you have to hold the trigger in ALL the time? :P
If so the Brush looks better... once again! :-\
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very true peter but what it the window your cleaning has no reveals,and to turn the brush on and off you have to keep turning the brush though 90 degrees to the frame. Also yes you are right that it is easier to change a brush rather than a trigger, but good triggers are as cheap as £28.00 so for the price of one brush I can have nearly three triggers. Dont get me wrong I actually think the autobrush is a good idea- as good as using triggers and yes I did have a second hand one, just didnt get on with it, I found triggers quicker, easier and saves more water. This is my own opinion using it on my round. If someone elses round is different with a different style window it might be the other way round
Steve, the type of window you described is usually more associated with an office block with small partitions between panes. On these windows you are more or less pumping water all the time, so the brush dosn't need turned on and off very often, so you would just keep it running.
Peter
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Also yes you are right that it is easier to change a brush rather than a trigger, but good triggers are as cheap as £28.00 so for the price of one brush I can have nearly three triggers. Dont get me wrong I
My customers can buy the accessories to turn an ordinary brush into an Autobrush for less than the price of your trigger.
Peter
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very true peter but what it the window your cleaning has no reveals,and to turn the brush on and off you have to keep turning the brush though 90 degrees to the frame. Also yes you are right that it is easier to change a brush rather than a trigger, but good triggers are as cheap as £28.00 so for the price of one brush I can have nearly three triggers. Dont get me wrong I actually think the autobrush is a good idea- as good as using triggers and yes I did have a second hand one, just didnt get on with it, I found triggers quicker, easier and saves more water. This is my own opinion using it on my round. If someone elses round is different with a different style window it might be the other way round
If you still have it and don't use it steve, I'll swap it for a trigger I have and don't use.
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Well, I just ordered one, well I havent ;D ;D I ordered 2, the extra one being a mistake ;D
Peter!!! check youre sites e-mail please ;D
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Matt, I have done the refund, it may take a little while to show up though.
What sort of pole are you going to be using it on?
Thanks for the order.
Peter
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That was bloody quick Peter, thankyou.
Matt
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At the moment I am using an 18' Streamline, with my trolley system Peter.
Matt
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So you will want one of the black plastic angle joints then? It also comes with a push fit connector, with a hose tail to fit your existing pole hose.
Peter
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BTW Matt you paid too much as the 12" brush is cheaper, I will sort out your refund and send it with the brush.
Peter
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Aaa, will I?
Umm, can you send one and bill me or whats the best way to do?
Matt
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BTW Matt you paid too much as the 12" brush is cheaper, I will sort out your refund and send it with the brush.
Peter
You mean you'll send the adaptor too?
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Sorry for the confusion, the angle adaptor comes with it, I was just asking to make sure I had the right type, for fitting on your pole.
Peter
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Ok, thanks for your time and help.
Matt
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I've been using the autobrush for nearly a year, and reckon its one of the best bits of kit I have in the van.
I'd like to add switches to some of my other brushes,.... what price are the kits to do this Peter?
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I got mine delivered this morning. Took it out this afternoon and did a few houses with it. I'm impressed. I can see it saving a lot of time and water.
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Peter I hope I'm getting a smaller brush, vikan rectangular size.
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I've been using the autobrush for nearly a year, and reckon its one of the best bits of kit I have in the van.
I'd like to add switches to some of my other brushes,.... what price are the kits to do this Peter?
Is there a kit?
If so how much! just thought I would ask as well! ::)
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Peter I hope I'm getting a smaller brush, vikan rectangular size.
Do you want the 11" rectangular brush? It will be posted tomorrow along with the others that were ordered at the weekend. I have staff holidays and a bit behind at the moment, but it should be with you Thursday morning.
Let me know if the size is OK.
Peter
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I've been using the autobrush for nearly a year, and reckon its one of the best bits of kit I have in the van.
I'd like to add switches to some of my other brushes,.... what price are the kits to do this Peter?
The full kit is £30.00, which includes all the fittings and extra hose etc.
Peter
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I'll give you a call in a week or 2 and order some!
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What's the best size brush for houses then 12"
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What's the best size brush for houses then 12"
It depends on what pole your using among other things. To give you an idea the 12" and 15" is about double the weight of the 11". The bristles on the 11" are thinner than on the 15" and 12" but the same quality.
If you want a large coverage then the 15" is best. If you want lightness then the 11" is best. And if weight dosn't bother you, and you like lots of bristles, then the 12" is best.
Peter
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Peter I tried to buy one tonight but when I got to the Paypal part it said do I want a 9", 12" or 15". It never mentioned an 11". I will be buying one of your new clampless poles but I bought a Harris 5m pole at the weekend and put an Unger end on it as a stop gap. I shall use it with that until your new pole arrives.
Basically I have been interested in your posts for a long time re: rinsing on with a mono brush, clampless etc.
What size brush do u use on houses Peter??
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There is a box with aditional comments on it, you can put 11" in there if you want one.
If you are using the Harris pole I would go for the lightest possible because of the flexibility of that particular pole. The 11" would be best I should think. If you do buy it now it won't be ready for posting until the begging of next week. I have been very busy lately, and I have someone off on holiday.
Peter
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The Harris Pole is only a stop gap until your new pole arrives, is 11" the best brush for that as well??
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The Harris Pole is only a stop gap until your new pole arrives, is 11" the best brush for that as well??
Yes it probably will be.
Peter
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I probably want the 11' although I do like lots of bristles. Being hot any brush is softer anyway.
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I just took his advice and I just ordered an 11". So just need the clampless pole in June now.
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I bought an autobrush just over two years ago
It stopped working a few months ago ( the o rings inside the mechanism have worn through)
I still use the brush though, ( A salmon) but without the on / off switch
Hey I just realized!!! two years using the same brush? :o
Is this some soft of cleanitup record? ;D ;D
You cant get a better recommendation than that Pete ;D ;D
Ian
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Please say the salmon is not like the bentley :-\ :'( ??
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Please say the salmon is not like the bentley :-\ :'( ??
Salmon is the best brush i have used It has lost a few bristles over the time but is still going strong
I tried double trim, vikan flocked and vikan mono fillament and they are all ok but I prefer salmon
Ian
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Please say the salmon is not like the bentley :-\ :'( ??
Salmon is the best brush i have used It has lost a few bristles over the time but is still going strong
I tried double trim, vikan flocked and vikan mono fillament and they are all ok but I prefer salmon
Iian
Thank god, was a little worried for a mo, I lose bristles on the vikan so that dont bother me ;D
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Please say the salmon is not like the bentley :-\ :'( ??
Nothing at all like the Bentley, I can't understand anyone using a Bentley.
Peter
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I bought an autobrush just over two years ago
It stopped working a few months ago ( the o rings inside the mechanism have worn through)
I still use the brush though, ( A salmon) but without the on / off switch
Hey I just realized!!! two years using the same brush? :o
Is this some soft of cleanitup record? ;D ;D
You cant get a better recommendation than that Pete ;D ;D
Ian
Thanks for the feedback Ian.
I usually tell people they will last about 12-18 months.
BTW I do replacements valves for the Autobrush.
Peter
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hi peter ive tryed to contact you mobile and landline.
i need to order some replacments for my auto brush :)
i have posted on the window-tools site
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BTW I do replacements valves for the Autobrush.
Peter
What sort of price for a replacement Pete?
Ian
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hi peter ive tryed to contact you mobile and landline.
i need to order some replacments for my auto brush :)
i have posted on the window-tools site
Hi, I have answered on my forum.
Peter
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Peter, not hassling, but was hoping for a parcel today when I got home, any idea when it'll be??
;D ;D
Matt
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What sort of price for a replacement Pete?
Ian
The valve is £13.00
Peter
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Peter, not hassling, but was hoping for a parcel today when I got home, any idea when it'll be??
;D ;D
Matt
Matt, I sent 3 brushes out today and yours would have been one of them. You should get it in the morning.
Peter
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luverlee
ta muchly ;D
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luverlee
ta muchly ;D
Hi Matt , are doing downstairs trad mate ?
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Me? Do I trad downstairs? No way Jose ;D
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Me? Do I trad downstairs? No way Jose ;D
Was asking cos I thought being the yellow belly that I am , I would start wfp upstairs , and trad downstairs ::) You went the whole hog then ?
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Yea, once I got out there just about everybit of glass I do became a victim to the water-squirty-pole-thingy, except a handful of bungalows (the poor dears wouldnt understand ;D )
Matt
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I bought an autobrush just over two years ago
It stopped working a few months ago ( the o rings inside the mechanism have worn through)
I still use the brush though, ( A salmon) but without the on / off switch
Hey I just realized!!! two years using the same brush? :o
Is this some soft of cleanitup record? ;D ;D
You cant get a better recommendation than that Pete ;D ;D
Ian
Thanks Ian, there is still some sour grapes from some people. This extract was brought to my attention by a very happy Autobrush user, it can be found on ebay at cgi.ebay.co.uk/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250250835803.. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250250835803..)
"NO HAVING TO BASH A FLIMSY MECHANISM ON YOUR BRUSH AGAINST A WALL TO TURN YOUR WATER ON/OFF!!!"
The cheek of some people, imagine trying to compare an on off valve with an Autobrush. Now normally I wouldn't bring this up on a forum, but seeing as it is a direct attack at my product then I will, and here is what I think of the valve advertised. A complete wast of time. For a start you have to fasten it on to every section of pole you want to hold, Imagine adding and taking away sections, not to mention all that hose you would need to have flapping around in front of the pole. I could go on and on and on, but I don't really think there is any need.
Peter
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I bought an autobrush just over two years ago
It stopped working a few months ago ( the o rings inside the mechanism have worn through)
I still use the brush though, ( A salmon) but without the on / off switch
Hey I just realized!!! two years using the same brush? :o
Is this some soft of cleanitup record? ;D ;D
You cant get a better recommendation than that Pete ;D ;D
Ian
Thanks Ian, there is still some sour grapes from some people. This extract was brought to my attention by a very happy Autobrush user, it can be found on ebay at cgi.ebay.co.uk/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250250835803.. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250250835803..)
"NO HAVING TO BASH A FLIMSY MECHANISM ON YOUR BRUSH AGAINST A WALL TO TURN YOUR WATER ON/OFF!!!"
The cheek of some people, imagine trying to compare an on off valve with an Autobrush. Now normally I wouldn't bring this up on a forum, but seeing as it is a direct attack at my product then I will, and here is what I think of the valve advertised. A complete wast of time. For a start you have to fasten it on to every section of pole you want to hold, Imagine adding and taking away sections, not to mention all that hose you would need to have flapping around in front of the pole. I could go on and on and on, but I don't really think there is any need.
Peter
I have just read the listing I have a tap at the mo, waiting for the auto brush to test it out.
There is no need for Andrew to have made that comment and I am shocked by it as far as I am aware your the only person that has the autobrush. IMO I think it needs rewording.
Is this not a tit4tat comment :-\
Ian
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I probably over reacted a bit last night when I read it. I was a bit surprised especially when I have read all the comments on here about him being such a nice guy. It may not even have been him that wrote it.
Yes I am the only one that does anything that turns the water on and off at the brush, so I know it was directed at the Autobrush. As far as tit for tat goes, it is well know that I personally don't like the valves, but there is quite a few people doing them, including me for anyone who insists they want one for whatever reasons.
Peter
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I probably over reacted a bit last night when I read it. I was a bit surprised especially when I have read all the comments on here about him being such a nice guy. It may not even have been him that wrote it.
Yes I am the only one that does anything that turns the water on and off at the brush, so I know it was directed at the Autobrush. As far as tit for tat goes, it is well know that I personally don't like the valves, but there is quite a few people doing them, including me for anyone who insists they want one for whatever reasons.
Peter
I would call and ask him personally, Andrew is a nice bloke thats why I was shock and wondered if it was tit for tat maybe could even a jokey thing to wind you up a little.
I am sure Andrew will reply if he reads this post.
Ian
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I used the autobrush but couldn't get on with it, but no need for another supplier to personally rubbish it.
BTW, that valve is exactly the same one I now use and find them excellent, but I got mine including tails from a local hydraulics company for £5 :o :o :o
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>:( >:( >:(
I am not a happy man right now.
Peter. Please accept my apologies. I can understand your reaction to that wording.
It is now deleted from the advert.
Kind regards
Andrew
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Got mine today. What do I do send a cheque?
Is there an easier way?
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>:( >:( >:(
I am not a happy man right now.
Peter. Please accept my apologies. I can understand your reaction to that wording.
It is now deleted from the advert.
Kind regards
Andrew
No Problem Andrew, and thanks.
Peter
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I used the autobrush but couldn't get on with it.
John if you don't mind me asking, what didn't you like about it? It is just that I have been working on what some might think as a significant improvement.
Peter
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Got mine today. What do I do send a cheque?
Is there an easier way?
|Is a cheque hard discount :o how do your customers pay you m8.
I am getting one in the post soon hopefully, dont know what colour but hope it matches van ;D
Ian
p.s Peter if it is not send yet can I have a burnt orange one with a little black in the middle please to match logo. If you cant I will under stand.
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Yes a cheque is fine.
Yours is on the way Ian, I should have though you would have got it by now. If it dosn't come in the morning let me know. I lost one last week and will have to go through all the hassle of claiming compensation. The PO is going right down hill, I will have to look for another small package service.
Peter
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Yes a cheque is fine.
Yours is on the way Ian, I should have though you would have got it by now. If it dosn't come in the morning let me know. I lost one last week and will have to go through all the hassle of claiming compensation. The PO is going right down hill, I will have to look for another small package service.
Peter
POST OFFICE IS A SECOND CLASS SERVICE (sry for shouting but they are) city link are very good and items can be tracked, there is another one but dont know the name wintecs.co.uk use them and they are as good as gold.
So I might get it tomorrow ;D.
cheers Peter for letting me know
Ian
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I used the autobrush but couldn't get on with it.
John if you don't mind me asking, what didn't you like about it? It is just that I have been working on what some might think as a significant improvement.
Peter
Peter,
Just a couple of points, one of which I think you have solved.
1) I seemed to keep catching the bar all to easily when cleaning recessed/corner windows and kept switching the water off.
2) Valve sticking and needing frequent dismantling/cleaning.
1 - might just be me being to heavy handed
2 - Think thats the one you solved.
Not knocking it, it's just I find the on/off valve I use now better for me
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Thanks for that John, did you have a plastic toggle on your valve? If so the problem you described is eliminated with the new metal toggle. The other problem of switching off accidental is solved as well. I am still doing tests at the moment, but everything is looking good. I was talking to a chap on the phone today and like me he has not got a problem with it accidentally switching off, most people get used to it, but if I can make it better for the ones who have or may have a problem in the future, then I will.
People who have just received their brush recently may be wondering why they didn't get the new improved brush, but it has still to be fully tested, it may have disadvantages elsewhere, but I have not came accross any. I will really need someone who uses the Autobrush all the time to test it out and give me some feedback on the new design. I will be sending one out to a couple of my forum members shortly to get some feedback.
Peter
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Not knocking it, it's just I find the on/off valve I use now better for me
Knock away John, it is the only way that I can find out what people don't like and sort it out.
Thanks for the feedback.
Peter
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Peter ,
Yes it was the plastic toggle one, must have been well over a year ago now so obviously things have improved :)
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Peter ,
Yes it was the plastic toggle one, must have been well over a year ago now so obviously things have improved :)
I actually caused that problem myself by replacing the pin that goes through the toggle with a stronger one, that didn't even need replaced in the first place. What was happening was the galvanise on the pin was breaking down after about 3 months and the rust was falling down into the mechanism. It took me a while to suss it out, and cost me a fortune in replacement valves.
Peter
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I am getting one in the post soon hopefully, dont know what colour but hope it matches van ;D
Well did it come today Ian?
Peter
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Id have contributed earlier to this thread except after buying a new PC a couple of weeks ago and installing my old ISP settings onto it after 2 weeks it suddenly seemed it wasnt such a good idea, so Ive been without internet connection for a week.
However, I would just like to report my opinion and findings regarding Peters auto-brush.
Firstly, Peter, thanks for the refund cheque for the over payment.
Anyway, my experience so far of WFP has been limited to 4 months with a Vikan Square brush. Lots of people on here say for them its their workhorse brush, does a fair job, tough and generally delivers the goods.
The brush with Peters setup was a Salmon. Interesting colour, bright blue!
The brush at first seemed rather soft, possibly I thought not up to much, a bit too much of a pansy at first I thought. But I LOVED the auto part of the setup. It didnt take long for that to become something that I loved being able to use nad felt almost from the owrd go that it was an indispensible part of the whole window-cleaning experience. Id say once I was into my second day with that feature things were beginning to look up.
But the brush just didnt seem to be something I was comfortable with.
Then... !
I did a clean that I thought might need the Vikan to be brought out of retirement, so on she went and by God it was like trying to drive a car without power-steering after driving a top of the range BMW.
I love that blue Salmon now, so easy to use. In love with it. The brush and the auto feature. How ever did I get on without it all before?
So far Ive also found the build to be pretty good, dont know how itll fair in my clumsy heavy handed way, but satisfactory anyway Id say.
Thanks.
Matt