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Title: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 21, 2008, 07:24:43 am
Does anyone have have diagrams of a tank, filter , pump, di, etc ststem ? Just trying to figure out how a typical van system works  ;D .  Thank you ,  isnt it a beutiful day  8)
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: macmac on May 21, 2008, 08:05:35 pm
Does anyone have have diagrams of a tank, filter , pump, di, etc ststem ? Just trying to figure out how a typical van system works  ;D .  Thank you ,  isnt it a beutiful day  8)

I prefere a ready made pump box (cleantech) with varistream. It has 2 hoselok connectors on it- in & out + a connector for the 12v cig' lighter socket in your van. Just plug it in & away you go! ;) Then 2 DI vessels, a tank & away you go, all connected with 1/2" standard garden hose + hoselok connectors, that's all it is.

Tony
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: Clive McDonald on May 21, 2008, 08:16:09 pm
I use cleantech pump boards and boxes (the boards a bit cheaper and has a varisrtream filter and pump on all ready wired). Some people power it using a seperate battery in the back of the van. (this is a leisure battery that is better than your car battery.

This arrangement takes the water from your tank to a hose reel.Some people put a DI in here (between pump and reel). When you turn the tap on at the end of your hosereel the pump starts up automatically.

Stop fussing, ring mike at cleantech and buy the stuff you need.
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: macmac on May 21, 2008, 08:20:32 pm
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(the boards a bit cheaper and has a varisrtream filter and pump on all ready wired). 

The box also has varistream filter & pump on all ready wired. Another bonus to these is that in winter you just un-plug & take it in at night so it doesn't freez up. ;) no fannying around at all.

Tony
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: Clive McDonald on May 21, 2008, 08:45:54 pm
Yes the box was recomended for trialers or where it was exposed, the board for the inside of vans. They are both the same thing except that the board is cheaper and easier to work on. (there is an inlet filter you are supposed to unscrew and clean every now and again.)

When I was in Jonahs shoes i could't figure it out either. I rang mike at cleantech and he told me what I needed. I paid, and have always been happy with what he gave me.


What did he sell me? 400l tank ,pump box, resin vessel, 300gpd ro man Ro inline tds,, , 100m minibore with reel and tap on end quick release connections. hand held tds, pole, later I had to buy a booster pump.

It was about £1,100 I think and I had to ask my wifes permission. She thought it was a lot of money, and as I only had about twenty customers and had already spent over £300n on trad gear I suppose it was.

I don't know how long you've been trad Jonah but I found it very hard work. On my best day I earned about £70, but i was learning. I honestly believe that if I was trad now I could probably earn £100 most days, but I wouldn't be much over that. I found it daunting mentaly too, knowing i'd got to go out lugging heavy ladders about for a pittance.
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: NWH on May 21, 2008, 08:49:40 pm
Yes the box was recomended for trialers or where it was exposed, the board for the inside of vans. They are both the same thing except that the board is cheaper and easier to work on. (there is an inlet filter you are supposed to unscrew and clean every now and again.)

When I was in Jonahs shoes i could't figure it out either. I rang mike at cleantech and he told me what I needed. I paid, and have always been happy with what he gave me.


What did he sell me? 400l tank ,pump box, resin vessel, 300gpd ro man Ro inline tds,, , 100m minibore with reel and tap on end quick release connections. hand held tds, pole, later I had to buy a booster pump.

It was about £1,100 I think and I had to ask my wifes permission. She thought it was a lot of money, and as I only had about twenty customers and had already spent over £300n on trad gear I suppose it was.

I don't know how long you've been trad Jonah but I found it very hard work. On my best day I earned about £70, but i was learning. I honestly believe that if I was trad now I could probably earn £100 most days, but I wouldn't be much over that. I found it daunting mentaly too, knowing i'd got to go out lugging heavy ladders about for a pittance.

Discount i agree completley with the last couple of lines of your post.
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: macmac on May 21, 2008, 09:03:34 pm
Yes the box was recomended for trialers or where it was exposed, the board for the inside of vans. They are both the same thing except that the board is cheaper and easier to work on. (there is an inlet filter you are supposed to unscrew and clean every now and again.)

When I was in Jonahs shoes i could't figure it out either. I rang mike at cleantech and he told me what I needed. I paid, and have always been happy with what he gave me.


What did he sell me? 400l tank ,pump box, resin vessel, 300gpd ro man Ro inline tds,, , 100m minibore with reel and tap on end quick release connections. hand held tds, pole, later I had to buy a booster pump.

It was about £1,100 I think and I had to ask my wifes permission. She thought it was a lot of money, and as I only had about twenty customers and had already spent over £300n on trad gear I suppose it was.

I don't know how long you've been trad Jonah but I found it very hard work. On my best day I earned about £70, but i was learning. I honestly believe that if I was trad now I could probably earn £100 most days, but I wouldn't be much over that. I found it daunting mentaly too, knowing i'd got to go out lugging heavy ladders about for a pittance.

Discount i agree completley with the last couple of lines of your post.


Then neither of you know how to price trad work! ;)


Tony
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: Clive McDonald on May 21, 2008, 09:09:35 pm
Life's too short in so many ways. I always think, where do I want to be in five years?

If the answer is signwritten van mount then why not next year or straight away. If you think i'll earn some money first, start with a banger and work my way up you will be looking at five years.

My advice is spend the absolute maximum you can afford and get the best of everything ( within reason). A new vans a good idea, so is a system inside it by pure freedom.

If you work hard Jonah you can make a lot of money.If you worry about every penny then your road to riches is probably going to be a long one.

Sorry I couldn't help with the diagram, but i think what you need is some courage. All you can do is your best.


Tony- maybe yes- but I'm not very good at it.But bear in mind it took me a year to get what you've got.
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: edd on May 21, 2008, 09:19:02 pm
heres a diagram lol Edd
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: edd on May 21, 2008, 09:22:24 pm
and heres one we made for £10 tank & £85 for a pump had the rest whilst mines in for repair ???
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: MJH on May 21, 2008, 10:07:55 pm
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(the boards a bit cheaper and has a varisrtream filter and pump on all ready wired). 

The box also has varistream filter & pump on all ready wired. Another bonus to these is that in winter you just un-plug & take it in at night so it doesn't freez up. ;) no fannying around at all.

Tony
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Good point there Tony, i never thought of that, this irritated me big time last year, i will sort that for next winter!!
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 21, 2008, 10:13:31 pm
Thanks guys, I have read a lot of posts on here , and sometimes it can be confusing ! Just wanted to know the basic settup of a system .  I just measured the tds on my water ,and it is 78  ;D. so think I am going to do with putting tap water into the tank , then running it through a couple of di, s .    I do appreciate all your advice  ;D
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 21, 2008, 10:57:54 pm
Yes the box was recomended for trialers or where it was exposed, the board for the inside of vans. They are both the same thing except that the board is cheaper and easier to work on. (there is an inlet filter you are supposed to unscrew and clean every now and again.)

When I was in Jonahs shoes i could't figure it out either. I rang mike at cleantech and he told me what I needed. I paid, and have always been happy with what he gave me.


What did he sell me? 400l tank ,pump box, resin vessel, 300gpd ro man Ro inline tds,, , 100m minibore with reel and tap on end quick release connections. hand held tds, pole, later I had to buy a booster pump.

It was about £1,100 I think and I had to ask my wifes permission. She thought it was a lot of money, and as I only had about twenty customers and had already spent over £300n on trad gear I suppose it was.

I don't know how long you've been trad Jonah but I found it very hard work. On my best day I earned about £70, but i was learning. I honestly believe that if I was trad now I could probably earn £100 most days, but I wouldn't be much over that. I found it daunting mentaly too, knowing i'd got to go out lugging heavy ladders about for a pittance.

I can honestly say that I do very well with my pricing , and going up ladders doesnt bother me  ;D  The reason i am changing to wfp is , I want to work safer , and I believe you can do so much more with the pole system ,  ie cleaning frames , speed ( so i am told ) lol  ;D
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on May 21, 2008, 11:31:09 pm
diy wfp is a doddle
save £££££s
and diy ;D ;D ;D ;D
if you can wire a plug and have a functioning frontal lobe
buy a pump
buy a varistream
wirre em up (free diagram is included....in colour :o)
mount both on a bit of ply
screw em in back of van
buy a battery
lots of variations really .......but cmon
its not that hard ::)
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 21, 2008, 11:39:59 pm
diy wfp is a doddle
save £££££s
and diy ;D ;D ;D ;D
if you can wire a plug and have a functioning frontal lobe
buy a pump
buy a varistream
wirre em up (free diagram is included....in colour :o)
mount both on a bit of ply
screw em in back of van
buy a battery
lots of variations really .......but cmon
its not that hard ::)
Can you fix me a system mr thorpe ? You said it was easy , so i expect a reduced rate lol  ;D .
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on May 21, 2008, 11:55:50 pm
mate you dont need me ;)
keep the ro set up at home and use bigger tanks than on van
that way you can make plenty water from cheapish ro man 300 + di
transfer into van tank
the rest of its easy
its just  4 wires for a pump and varistream
lots of sites can help
ro is easy too
did mine in about 2 hrs maybe 3 max from out of box to 000tds
it runs off outside tap
pipe lagging round a hose has seen minus 8 no worries
just go for it ;D
(is calderdale anywhere nr holmfirth....i am there all next week ;D)
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 21, 2008, 11:58:05 pm
mate you dont need me ;)
keep the ro set up at home and use bigger tanks than on van
that way you can make plenty water from cheapish ro man 300 + di
transfer into van tank
the rest of its easy
its just  4 wires for a pump and varistream
lots of sites can help
ro is easy too
did mine in about 2 hrs maybe 3 max from out of box to 000tds
it runs off outside tap
pipe lagging round a hose has seen minus 8 no worries
just go for it ;D
(is calderdale anywhere nr holmfirth....i am there all next week ;D)
Yes its down the road from me ( 7 miles ) what you doing up here for a week ?
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 22, 2008, 12:00:39 am
You have to call in  ;D
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on May 22, 2008, 12:08:29 am
holiday
my missus is head of housekeeping for the pubchain that runs "old bridge hotel"in holmfirth
she gets half off accom so we have break up there as its best hotel in chain(and the rest are on doorstep ::))we are going for hikes etc
dont really do business and pleasure tho ;)
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 22, 2008, 12:13:26 am
holiday
my missus is head of housekeeping for the pubchain that runs "old bridge hotel"in holmfirth
she gets half off accom so we have break up there as its best hotel in chain(and the rest are on doorstep ::))we are going for hikes etc
dont really do business and pleasure tho ;)
Its ok , I hope you have a nice time  ;D. Dont blame you for not wanting to meet the locals  :'(
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: d s windowcleaning on May 22, 2008, 08:34:11 am
jonah if you fancy a trip to barnsley mate you can come and see how ive got mine done just let me no mate .
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 22, 2008, 06:22:45 pm
jonah if you fancy a trip to barnsley mate you can come and see how ive got mine done just let me no mate .
Might take you up on that dave  ;D
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: d s windowcleaning on May 22, 2008, 09:59:41 pm
anytime you want mate no problams  ;D
Title: Re: basic plumbing !
Post by: jonah on May 22, 2008, 10:05:09 pm
I have long lost relatives in barnsley , so could visit em at the same time , see if they have any brass  ;D