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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: NWH on May 17, 2008, 07:08:31 pm
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I`m looking to stick my varistream box on the side of the tank frame and won`t something that`s going to hold it,in the past i`ve used cable ties as it keeped coming off.I was going to try a good spread of superglue down each corner,does anyone recommend another glue or product.
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The snag with trying to stick plastic is that the only effective adhesives are the ones that "melt" the plastic a bit - solvent adhesives, but they don't work on metal.
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Evo-Stik Contact Adhesive will probably do it
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What about superglue,shouldn`t that do it.I don`t want to plaster it with glue and it not stick.
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When you buy superglue or similar, they give you a plastic spatula to stir it - because the glue doesn't stick to plastic!!!
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Sikoflex would do the do for sure..
sticks like poo to a blanket !!!! ;D
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Sikoflex would do the do for sure..
sticks like poo to a blanket !!!! ;D
Thanks,where can i get some from.
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Araldyte, its an epoxy resin.....it super super strong and the reason it doesnt stick to the caps is because the ingredients are in 2 tubes!!!!!!! This stuff will bond ANYTHING
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Get the rapid one, it sets in minutes
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Araldite it the same type of thing that is combined with carbon fibre to make our poles and other carbon objects, Luke
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or try this from Gardiners:
www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Misc._Items.html (http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Misc._Items.html)
Think Alex said it was the strongest glue he has ever seen, Luke
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What about superglue,shouldn`t that do it.I don`t want to plaster it with glue and it not stick.
Your tank is made of Polypropylene the same material as the caps of super glue, its about the only plastic that super glue won't stick.
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Glue will one of two things. It will either stick it permanently, or not at all. Neither of those is really desirable. What you want is a semi-permanent attachment - that's why these things are held in place by screw fasteners.
Could you glue velcro strips to both the controller and the tank. That way, you get the best of both worlds - semi permanent.
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if your sticking to metal why not screw it with self tappers
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Glue will one of two things. It will either stick it permanently, or not at all. Neither of those is really desirable. What you want is a semi-permanent attachment - that's why these things are held in place by screw fasteners.
Could you glue velcro strips to both the controller and the tank. That way, you get the best of both worlds - semi permanent.
I`ve done that before and they don`t hold it,heavy duty ones aswell.Self tappers are a good idea the one i have at the moment has them but i`m fitting my old varistream and don`t want to drill.Will that araldite that Luke said do the trick.
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The problem with glue is that it's either permanent or unpredictably temporary.
What you need from an engineering point of view is semi-permanent fixture. By that I mean that you can fix it permanently if you so wish, and have the option of removing it any time you wish.
Could you screw the controller to a wooden board and somehow attach the board to the frame? That would be semi-permanent.
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why not use cable ties, they would hold it on no damage to frame, drill few small holes in back of control thread and tighten.
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why not use cable ties, they would hold it on no damage to frame, drill few small holes in back of control thread and tighten.
I`ve done that Ian but it looks bodged,i like things to look tidy.
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why not use cable ties, they would hold it on no damage to frame, drill few small holes in back of control thread and tighten.
I`ve done that Ian but it looks bodged,i like things to look tidy.
make up a clamp, quite hard to explain in words, bendy metal attach to control wrap over tank cage screw down { <----- that sort of shape
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why not use cable ties, they would hold it on no damage to frame, drill few small holes in back of control thread and tighten.
I`ve done that Ian but it looks bodged,i like things to look tidy.
make up a clamp, quite hard to explain in words, bendy metal attach to control wrap over tank cage screw down { <----- that sort of shape
That`s a good idea Ian,you mean screw the box to the strips of metal and then bend them over the frame don`t you.That could work mate.
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why not use cable ties, they would hold it on no damage to frame, drill few small holes in back of control thread and tighten.
I`ve done that Ian but it looks bodged,i like things to look tidy.
make up a clamp, quite hard to explain in words, bendy metal attach to control wrap over tank cage screw down { <----- that sort of shape
That`s a good idea Ian,you mean screw the box to the strips of metal and then bend them over the frame don`t you.That could work mate.
yes that is excatly what I mean then screw the 2 ends together to tight fitting will look pro aswell ;)
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Out of interest have you seperated it from the pump? How far is it from the pump? Where is the pump in all this?
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Out of interest have you seperated it from the pump? How far is it from the pump? Where is the pump in all this?
When you open my side load door you have my varistream,the pump is at the bottom of the frame on the left as you open the left rear door,there is just under a meter separating them.I have the pos and earth running down the frame neatly covered in black twisty cable tidy stuff and cable tied to the frame,i hate a messy setup as it looks cluttered.I`ll post some picks soon.
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Out of interest have you seperated it from the pump? How far is it from the pump? Where is the pump in all this?
When you open my side load door you have my varistream,the pump is at the bottom of the frame on the left as you open the left rear door,there is just under a meter separating them.I have the pos and earth running down the frame neatly covered in black twisty cable tidy stuff and cable tied to the frame,i hate a messy setup as it looks cluttered.I`ll post some picks soon.
I hate messy wires etc myself, been rewiring all day today and plumbing back in pumps controls but all done now ;D
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My hosereel is fixed to the floor at the back of the van and my varistream is on the tank frame at the side load door no where near it,the pump and controller are attatched to the frame where they should be out of the way.I`ve stopped using the electric reel for the moment as it can play havvock with your wrist,you need something for the drill to butt up against to stop the strain on the wrist.I`m looking into it at the moment,it needs something that it can be permantley attatched to so that all you have to do is press the trigger so there`s no need to hold the drill.
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My practical is messy but I tbink well and hate muddled thoughts in others, I won't finish this but you can guess where it's going.
I;ve neve thought of the pump and vari as seperate beacuse I often have to swap them and find this quicker as a unit (which is how all of mine came-attached to a pump).
Recently when one plays up I take the vary lid off one and put it on the other.
I assume your electic reel is working well. Where is that? can it whack the fragile varistream in it's new position?
do you ever get water on or near your battery connections ?
By the way I take my hat off to you for making your own hot system.
NHW what are you thinking of doing with the sticking then ?
Ian
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My hosereel is fixed to the floor at the back of the van and my varistream is on the tank frame at the side load door no where near it,the pump and controller are attatched to the frame where they should be out of the way.I`ve stopped using the electric reel for the moment as it can play havvock with your wrist,you need something for the drill to butt up against to stop the strain on the wrist.I`m looking into it at the moment,it needs something that it can be permantley attatched to so that all you have to do is press the trigger so there`s no need to hold the drill.
you can get drill holders and I am sure this could be ideal, I had one years ago when I had a market stall to drill down all the time was a pain in the backside got one of these and it was easy.
Ian
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Discount i am not taking anything away from you at all but i spoke to a plubmer the other day and i couldn`t beleive how easy it is,he told me that the boiler only has to have a water in and out and that`s it.The flu is the most difficult thing he said,after that connect the water after pump and that`s it.When i told him how much some companys were charging to fit them he couldn`t beleive it.He talked me through it,it took him about 5mins lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Discount i am not taking anything away from you at all but i spoke to a plubmer the other day and i couldn`t beleive how easy it is,he told me that the boiler only has to have a water in and out and that`s it.The flu is the most difficult thing he said,after that connect the water after pump and that`s it.When i told him how much some companys were charging to fit them he couldn`t beleive it.He talked me through it,it took him about 5mins lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think my main problem would be powering it, its obvoius a boiler has water in cold and out hot, another thing that would concern me is the insurance cover which has got to be a factor.
I could be well wrong I dont know just my thoughts
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You need 12vlts to power the one he showed me in his magazine for spares etc,the one he advised was one that was about 18"x18" he said it would be more than adequate.