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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dean Taberner on May 08, 2008, 08:33:23 pm
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Hi all,
Ive got a purefreedom trolley system with a 30ft pole arriving tomorrow.
Has anybody on here got one and what are your thoughts on them?
I feel like a kid at xmas waiting for a new toy!!
Thanks in advance.
Dean.
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All your goint to hear is positive things when it comes to purefreedom.
So sit back and watch
Chris
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I have a Freedom trolly and it has served me well and still does for certain jobs...it'll last you years....good luck ;D
Dave.
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
How much are they going for second hand mate?
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pure freedom trolley is a great place to start but you,ll soon want a van mount regards alan
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Can the trolley become a van mount in some shape or form ???
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Hi all,
Ive got a purefreedom trolley system with a 30ft pole arriving tomorrow.
Has anybody on here got one and what are your thoughts on them?
I feel like a kid at xmas waiting for a new toy!!
Thanks in advance.
Dean.
they are very good and can be almost as quick as a van mount for jobs that use less than 25 litres water. Regardless what most people say. Unless they don't collect.
But to be as quick you will need an extra 15 metres of pole hose. And if you have a water tank, a submersible pump is neccesary.
Working with a trolley is much much slower if you have to move it from window to window. Which you will have to do if your pole has only a metre of hose sticking out after it is extended.
A 17 ft xtel pole will be a cheap way of speeding you up, as well. I use a van mount mostly nowadays, but only cos lifting the trolley in and out gave me a raised hip. Which has gone now. The trolley can also be a van mount with the addition of a water tank. So it is a good back up, for if/when you get a van mount.
Good luck.
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
How much are they going for second hand mate?
Mines 6 months old, with 13 barrels , excellent conditon and working order and I was looking for £350 :o
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Time is Money - Especially for window cleaners!
Because the Pure Freedom WFP System was designed in consultation with and thoroughly field tested by window cleaners it is ideal for almost any size of operation or vehicle and will grow with you as you inevitably expand. Look at the specification and you will see that nothing is second rate. With an eye to the future of any user we have ensured that you wont end up with a hardly ever used piece of equipment. Should you decide to move to a van mounted system all you will need to get is the tank. Everything that is needed to work a tank mount is already there on your Freedom Trolley. Just leave it folded down, plug into your tank and you are working. Then, for that awkward to get to window just detach and you have your trolley again.
You also get an industrial quality 18ft (23 ft reach) 3 section telescopic fibreglass pole with a 10 inch VIKAN twin jetted brush. Not a domestic brush. - Yet again you get the right tool for the job.
Also included is all you need to produce 300 litres of pure water every day (Enough for the average window cleaner). You get a 5 stage RO/DI system made for us by the recognised market leaders in small to medium size water purification systems.
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Hi all,
Ive got a purefreedom trolley system with a 30ft pole arriving tomorrow.
Has anybody on here got one and what are your thoughts on them?
I feel like a kid at xmas waiting for a new toy!!
Thanks in advance.
Dean.
they are very good and can be almost as quick as a van mount for jobs that use less than 25 litres water. Regardless what most people say. Unless they don't collect.
But to be as quick you will need an extra 15 metres of pole hose. And if you have a water tank, a submersible pump is neccesary.
Working with a trolley is much much slower if you have to move it from window to window. Which you will have to do if your pole has only a metre of hose sticking out after it is extended.
A 17 ft xtel pole will be a cheap way of speeding you up, as well. I use a van mount mostly nowadays, but only cos lifting the trolley in and out gave me a raised hip. Which has gone now. The trolley can also be a van mount with the addition of a water tank. So it is a good back up, for if/when you get a van mount.
Good luck.
Thanks for that.
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Yes it can and can be done in steps.
Bellow is the basics.
You can feed the system direct from 25lt drums.
Repace the out hose for micro bore.
Put hose on a reel and away you go.
Cost is bellow £100.
You can then think of a tank and the size etc.
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Thanks Rob.
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ive had a freedom trolly for 4 months, started draging it house to house but soon got sick of that, so the got 100 metres of microbore and left the trolly in the back of the car, but i still had to go back to change the barrels, ive now just got a new fiat doblo cargo stuck in a 300lt tank and use the trolly to run it all, but in case of a really hard to get to job, i can still use it away from the van dead easy, best of both worlds
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Superb ;D
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hi got my trolley beginning of last week and must say as i faily new to window cleaning its a great bit of kit and those at Pure freedom are more than helpfull.
I was doing mainly domestics but a trolley is a great way of getting commercial work because of the health and saftey benefits. Did my first hotel yesterday and all went well and would never have done it with ladders.
Cheers Clunk
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Stick to ladders and a sponge Dean, like the council do.
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how much are these trolleys as i am very interested in one? and where can i buy them from?
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
I'm interested mate can i have some contacts details so i can ring you?
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
How much are they going for second hand mate?
Wheres you location
Mines 6 months old, with 13 barrels , excellent conditon and working order and I was looking for £350 :o
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didnt realise they were a grand new! seems very expensive for what your getting
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It depends which way you look at it mate. Mine will pay for itself in less than a month. ;)
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Freedom trolley + pole and brush + water plant = £995
Add in another £200 or so for water butt, spare 25 litre containers, microfibre cloths and a bucket.
Plus a vehicle (which you probably already have)
You've got yourself a fully-operational business for less than £1200.
All you need to do is go out and canvass up a good round bit by bit, and you've got yourself a comfortable living.
There aren't many businesses that you can start for such a low capital investment.
The great thing about window cleaning is that your greatest capital asset is YOU.
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and then 2 months later get a van and van-mounted system when you realise that trolleys of any kind are actually pretty rubbish and most of the time you end up working directly out of the vehicle anyway rather than pulling a ridiculous trolley from house to house.
and then kick yourself that you wasted £1200
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Some people think fast and play hard.
Others think smart and play smart.
Guess which ones are the consistent winners.
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We have a vanmount we've run for about 2 1/2 years along with a backpack.
The backpack served it's purpose as some of our work is impossible to access any other way.
After much deliberation we bought a Freedom Trolley about 2 months ago.
Now we run the vanmount and Freedom trolley together.
It's expensive at £600 but we wouldn't be without it. Once the money's spent it's the right tool available when you need it. It's ideal for some of our work.
Theres no going back to the backpack Jack!
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Guess which ones are the consistent winners.
Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?
Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time. Van mounted systems are where its at.
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i fail to understand why anyone could prefer lifting a trolley in and out of a vehicle all day long and then the 25 l can runs out , please do your self a favour and get yourself a van mount , and yes i did start with the freedom trolley , but the best thing i did was strip it and turn it into a van mount with 100 m microbore , why do people who should no better persist with these overpriced bits of kit regards alan
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Guess which ones are the consistent winners.
Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?
Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time. Van mounted systems are where its at.
I've been cleaning windows now into my 22nd year. How long have you?
Oh just to remind you, we have been using vanmount for 2 1/2 years full time and now we use trolley too. No regrets
We do enclosed courtyards that have no access by ladders, no safe entry with hose, so what time saving device would you suggest? In your wealth of experience!
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PJ i was talking to wally who started last month, not you.
You said
it's the right tool available when you need it.
which is fair comment, but wally the wally is on about a trolley as the main thing to use for working, which clearly demonstrates that he doesnt have a clue (which is what you'd expect for a newbie, but dont then give advice about it LOL). What a wally.
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There is the story about a holiday-maker who was lost in Ireland. He stopped and asked the way to Ballymurphy. The person he asked said, "Well. If I was going there, I certainly wouldn't start from here."
The whole point is that you have to start from where you are. And for very many people, starting with the freedom trolley or a home-made trolley is an excellent way in. If you stick with it as some people have done, that simply means that you are happy with it. If you move on to a van-mounted system, that simply means that the system suits you better.
Neither one is superior to the other in every case.
We are all different individuals and different things suit us at different times and at different stages of our development.
There is a principle called Ashby's Law of Requisite Variety which states that the part of the system which has the greatest flexibility of response, exerts the greatest control. Think about that at the appropriate speed and play with the ideas in a variety of ways and learnings will occur.
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hi wally
dont take any notice of tc
he is always right :D :D
regards
mike
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thats great wally, really. I feel truly inspired, and slightly emotional.
However, back on planet earth, it doesnt change the fact that you've only being window cleaning for a month and know basically nothing. And hence are not in the best position to be giving advice.
Van system IS better than trolley system. Most people who know what they're on about (and who are not newbies like youself) would not disagree with that. Wasting £1200 on a trolley when you actually need a van system is quite simply bad advice.
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Anyone who says a trolley is better than a vanmount have no experience of a vanmount,a trolley or backpack is good for the odd awkward window and that`s it.People buy trolleys because there either curious of WFP or can`t afford to go the whole hog of a vanmount,there`s no competition don`t get fooled into thinking there is.
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I give up with you boys!
You're all experts! ::)
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I give up with you boys!
You're all experts! ::)
Put it this way you wouldn`t go from a vanmount to a trolley,you would go from a trolley to a vanmount.I`m not knocking trolley users what ever floats your boat,i`m just saying which is easier overall.I have a backpack and have only used it 3 times in a year as i thought it would compliment the vanmount but i find myself never needing it,when i did use it i found myself constantly looking to see if i was running out of water,you don`t have that problem when you`ve got 600ltrs at the end of a hosereel.
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I give up with you boys!
You're all experts! ::)
LOL!!! ;D Now now PJ.. you've only been window cleaning for 22 yrs :P
There aint half some rubbish posted on here lately.
I love the armchair experts .. NOT! ::)
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Guess which ones are the consistent winners.
Are the consistent winners those who only started window cleaning last month but already think they're able to give advice to others?
Anybody who has been doing WFP for any amount of time knows as well as I do that messing about with trolleys is a waste of time. Van mounted systems are where its at.
I agree that a van mount is a much better way of doing things - for me anyway. However, I reckon that some sort of mobile water carrier such as a trolley is good to have as a backup in case your van is off the road for a few days. That way you can fill some containers and the trolley and go out and earn. I doubt I would earn as much as with a van mount but at least I would be earning something.
I think I've got sunstroke. I just agreed with TC (I think).
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thats great wally, really. I feel truly inspired, and slightly emotional.
However, back on planet earth, it doesnt change the fact that you've only being window cleaning for a month and know basically nothing. And hence are not in the best position to be giving advice.
Van system IS better than trolley system. Most people who know what they're on about (and who are not newbies like youself) would not disagree with that. Wasting £1200 on a trolley when you actually need a van system is quite simply bad advice.
You do make a good point but do you really have to be so insulting about it?
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This topic was going along quite nicely until Tuppence Clean.. oops.. sorry his friends call him that :P butted in with his Tuppence worth.
It's now degenerated into a debate about what is best. Actually and this is fact. (Coz I'm saying it) a combination of the two is best. errr like wat PJ says. But what would he know after only 22 yrs in the business?
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Tuppence Clean.. oops.. sorry his friends call him that
You can be my friend too ;D
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I wouldn't get embroiled in any debate about van-mounted system versus trolley or home-made versus proprietary system. These debates are fruitless no matter how entertaining.
Nowhere did I say anything about a trolley <<as the main thing to use for working>>. I don't really know where that came from.
Nor was I giving advice. I was merely making an observation about Mark's comment that a grand was a lot of money for what you get.
My observation was in two main parts:
1 - about the cost of the freedom trolley being quite reasonable considering that a small additional amount buys you the complete wherewithal to start a successful business.
2 - a window cleaner's main capital is his/her own self.
Where's the problem with that? It was completely on-topic and hardly a contentious view.
And flexibility is the key to success in ANYTHING. Taking such a polarised stance about this or that system being better that that system in every conceivable instance is only going to cause either ill-will or amusement depending on the thickness of the individual's skin.
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I love mine - but its time to move on, so mine is for sale.
If anyones interested. :)
How much do you want for your trolley?
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Personally I have a van mount, trolley and a backpack...there are all used during my 8 weekly schedule....just a different tool to do the same job...
The Freedom trolley is a great piece of kit...the only addition that I have made is to mount a 20meter hose reel to it.....other than that in the event my van mount has some problem I have spares or a replacement system...
When I first started way, way back in the day ....Aug 06 ;D Andrew McCann gave me loads of help and advice which could have been dispensed via email but he phoned me here in Holland for about 45 minutes and lesser times during a month period...The help and information he gave was invaluble...
Today I am still using the RO system I got from him (ok I have upgraded to 300GPD) but that is as a result of my business expanding and needing me to produce and store more water.
I still use the 22ft glass fibre pole but very rarely as I now use a c/f pole....cannot expect c/f and a whole system for a grand can you...
All in all the Freedom Trolley is a great piece of kit and when my brother in law wanted to give it all a try ...I just gave him the trolley...a few containers of water and a pole and off he went....he was set up in as much time as it takes to put it all in his van...
Are there other options ...YES....
Would I recommend them...YES...Andrew is a pleasure to do business with and at the start when I needed alot of advice, information, handholding...Andrew did that and more...
Dave.
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A good post is that Dave :)
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A good post is that Dave :)
I'd like to second that.
It's not only the quality of the kit that you buy which is important. The after-sales service and advice that you get from the suppliers are also very important.
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but included in the kit is a file containing ALL the documentation you need about everything. And that is very important.
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To summarise from all of you and something I argued with Groundhog a lot over is this. Everything is just another tool for your profession. I have a van mount and a back pack and am in the process of refurbing an old pure freedom trolley. I use all of them and my ladders occasionally. Squeegees scrims, microfibres. Everybody like different things but they are all tools of our chosen profession. It really is that simple and in order to offer a complete service I believe you need to have all tools.
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i am contemplating on purchasing a purefreedom trolley because at the moment i am 100 percent traditional and i was thinking about a trolley to do awkward windows, leaded glass or where ladders are not suitable, and conservatory roofs where an outdoor tap is not avaliable, i didnt really want a van mount as i drive a 03 lpg astra van and dont want hundreds of litres of water in the back, nor do i want to change to a bigger van,
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Mark's posting is precisely the point I made earlier. You have to start from where you are.
Mark has no need or desire for a van mounted system - so the freedom trolley is perfect for his particular needs.
It may not be perfect for everyone's, but there is room in life for variety.
The original question was, "What are your thoughts on them?"
The general consensus from those who use or have used them seems to be that they are very effective, well-engineered for what they designed to do and made up from first-class components.