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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Suffolkcleaners on April 24, 2008, 11:29:50 pm
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Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
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go wfp
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Youll find that there are a lot of trad guys on here but the reason there are more posts on WFP is because there are more issues and problems which people ask on here.
Chris
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try it.... go out with some one and give it a go..
you will get your eyes opened..
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PMSL you had too didnt you LWC this post couldnt of come at a better time
wait for NWH to now reply
Chris
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Most of the guys still do some trad or have done in past.
Chris
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A lot of commercial work prefer WFP because of health and safety.
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Trad is best as everyone knows ;D
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i have to say wfp is not has straight forward has trad and it can have many head aches but it has a lot of pluses too/
i dont think it faster on ground level but 1st floor it prob is and on commercial were your in one area for a long time.
i sometimes hev my doubts wiv wfp has in my opion a bit of wind on wet windows causes tons of problems and its nearly always windy here but recentky wiv the good weather i can see how after 4 weeks they are still quite clean which feels good!
both are tools and both are needed :)
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Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
My views are similar to yours I am mainly trad but do use a wfp system as well on high work or whereby otherwise instructed my simple moto is IF IT AINT BROKE DON,T FIX IT.
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Dont forget guys most of us started by using traditional methods and in my opinion is a great method. I drive to a house (for example 3 bed semi 3 at front 4 at back) ladder off car in seconds job done in 10 mins,your honestly saying guys wfp is quicker? Ive probably done the front by the time you wfp users get the gear sorted. No offence guys cos like i said before i think wfp for some jobs is fantastic.
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I think that both methods have their place. Personally I was trad only until 2 years ago. Nowadays I use wfp for 99% of my external work. I still do trad for internal work. Apart from the speed issue what makes wfp my tool of choice is the fact that you work from the ground (even if it wasn't faster I wouldn't regret changing now because of this). When I look back at some of the things I used to do up a ladder it makes me shudder. If i'm honest I have been up a ladder about 10 times in the last 2 years and have found that I have lost my bottle a bit. Before I used to be up and down the ladder many times, day after day without a second thought however I have got so used to being on the ground that everytime i climb a ladder now i'm crapping it!
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Just a general question guys. How much roughly do you need to buy a wfp system? I know it depends on what system etc but how much in total for everything? Might consider this for certain jobs but can never see that i will be converted 100%.
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my system is..
trolley 600
pole 350
r/o system 200
containers and tank 100
other bits of unforseen costs was plumbing costs of getting water in to garage otherwise thats it
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Any suggestions on how i try the wfp out? I dont know anyone offhand who can show me Thanks.
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Looking at a budget type kit:
Get an ro from ro man (200 gpd) @199.95 inc vat
Then you need a storage tank RO man IBC £60
Then for piping to connect it up Allow £100 (it should be less)
Then you need a back pack and a couple of poles say £500
Then some 25L containers (10 off) If you have to buy them £60
Tds meter- £25 max
And get some di resin in around £70 per bag
Total = £1074
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What would you reccomend,i use a vauxhall car so dont want to go the van mounted route,so what is the best way?? Thanks.
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Thats down to opinion but, if you were planning to only use the system for certain jobs (domestic & small commercial) then get a backpack and a few containers. That way you could do the few but also the kit wouldn't take up to much space.
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
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If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
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Well i can actually afford a wfp system,but cant see the point in using wfp for my round. It takes me 10 mins to do a standard 3 front 4 back semi at a tenner a go,oh yes i think i can afford a wfp. Work out the maths you numpty. Anyway without getting off the point,think both have possitives and negatives. :o
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
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If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
Nice as always tennent! Maybe dmh didn't realise how little it could cost. As he is trad maybe he's never looked into it before
Any suggestions on how i try the wfp out? I dont know anyone offhand who can show me Thanks.
If you cant find someone on here who can help (where abouts are you) then give ionic systems a call. They will give you a demo so you can see what it's all about, although just remember there equipment isn't at the budget end of the market and would be an expensive way to go about it (they do van mounts so if you were buying theres you'd need a van) but your not interested in their product just how it works, If you phone them and let them think your interested in buying a system and they will gladly come and give a demo and answer your questions. The kit I suggested will work just as well.
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Cheers WCE
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Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.
That in two sentances sums up the whole trad v WFP issue.
As long as the customer pays you at the end of the job who cares?
I don't.
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Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
hello there wfp is good on ups, some of the people just dont like wfp.i cleaned windows 17years traditional.then last 3 wfp.
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Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
hello there wfp is good on ups, some of the people just dont like wfp.i cleaned windows 17years traditional.then last 3 wfp.
Edltd is WFP just good on ups ? and if so why is it good on ups
and not the downs ::)
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This thread is like a time warp!!! :o I thought we'd been through all this rubbish in the early days of the forum!!! If you want to earn more money, then get wfp, if your happy plodding along in the past, then stick to your ladders!!! it's as simple as that! ;)
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DMH, where are you based?.
Wayne
My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
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If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
BTW, Thats was Tennents way of saying hello and welcome to the forum ;D
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PMSL you had too didnt you LWC this post couldnt of come at a better time
wait for NWH to now reply
Chris
Get a WFP lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
AND
If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
I hate to say it but i agree with that,these days it has to be WFP from the start but trad experience is priceless.You must learn the complete way to do the job and that includes using a squeeggee.
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
AND
If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
Opiniions are like bung holes.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t
Particularly yours.
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you love me really
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x x x :D
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
AND
If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
Opiniions are like not a very nice persons.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t
Particularly yours.
I bet your trad lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The way I see it, WFP is just another tool in the WC's arsenal. some jobs can only be done with ladders (access, balconies etc), others with WFP (dangerous ladder access, above conservatories etc)
Many WC's work with a combination of the two.
I would bet that even TennantClean ( ;) ) has a blade and mop in his van :P
Oh, and Im WFP, but use a blade and mop for one or two of my old-dears who don't like the WFP...
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I would bet that even TennantClean ( Wink ) has a blade and mop in his van
He's right, I do. It rarely sees the light of day though. Sometimes for insides etc. If you can't use a squeegee, then IMO your not a proper window cleaner, no matter how good you are with a pole.
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
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If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
What a stupid reply.
Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around. ::)
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Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around.
Then they need to get off their lazy butt and do more work. Seriously if you are not earning enough to afford a pole system then just do something else cos window cleaning isnt for you.
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My God ...... I agree with Sanity & Tennett!!!! ;D
Like Sanity I think WFP & squeegee are part of the arsenal of a w/cleaner, and with Tennett I agree you need to know trad to be a half decent w/cleaner.....
What is the world coming too .... ;) ;D
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Not many people have a grand or so cash lying around.
Then they need to get off their lazy butt and do more work. Seriously if you are not earning enough to afford a pole system then just do something else cos window cleaning isnt for you.
Some people may have a lot of bills. ???
You're full of yourself aren't you?
I know window cleaners making £500, £600 or more a week and they can't go forking out a grand or more just like that.
I bet you can't either.
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Hi all,i have been reding comment after comment on how good wfp is,what is the matter with traditional? Ive been cleaning windows using traditional methods since 1995 and never had a problem. Dont forget we all cant afford a wfp system. I honestly believe that you can work on the window much better using traditional (I know many many will disagree). It keeps you active and fit and i cant see the problem if your physically fit, as long as you get the right insurance and income protection. Im not saying wfp is bad by any means because i think for certain commercial work and hard to reach windows it can be fantastic. I guess to be honest there is good and bad for both methods. The other day i lost the chance to pick up a commercial job cos the manager wanted someone who used wfp,on the other hand ive picked up jobs from customers who hated the wfp. So who knows? Post me guys. Any comments would be great. ::)
All I can do is relate my own experience really. I couldn't afford WFP either so I borrowed the money for a newish largervan and a system. Over 5 years that costs me £200 a month (though you must realise that part of this was offset because I no longer had to pay for my Escort van which I used for traditional cleaning). Without going into too many details as writing about money can irritate somer people, my outgoings are maybe £330 a month to £350 a month higher than trad. This takes account of everything. Of course, my RO unit will last long after it has been paid for as you just replace bits as and when you need to. I'm not going to say how much more per month I earn but trust me, it's a heck of a lot more that £350. OK, at first WFP slowed me down while getting used to it and doing the first cleans. It didn't help when some customers resisted the change and there was a 5% turnaround in my customer base too. After a while, big gaps started appearing in my workload because although I had more than made up for any lost customers, WFP was helping me get through the work so much more quickly.
As you already have a customer base, if you want to work more safely, earn a LOT more money (though this can take a while), not be so knackered when you get home after work, and want to increase the type of work you can do, go and borrow the money for a WFP setup and a van that can carry it. Of course this may not be possible if your credit score is a bit iffy. If you do borrow, you may need to be a bit crafty and say it's for a new car. They can get a bit funny about business loans even in the good years so sometimes what you tell them may need a bit of massaging (it's also known as lying).
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
AND
If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
No chance. Sainsbury's pay more.
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
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My opinion is...
if you cant afford water-fed pole system...
dont become a window cleaner.
AND
If you're already a window cleaner, and you cant afford a WFP system...
Then you're obviously a numpty. Give up window cleaning and do something else instead.
Any window cleaner who isnt earning enough to get a pole system needs to pack in and go stack shelves in asda or something.
Opiniions are like bung holes.....everyone has one and they are full of sh*t
Particularly yours.
:D
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
You got me reviewing my poost Tony. I hope I haven't presented it as a magic wand myself. Making the transition was a tricky process for me. It can be easy to forget that when the teething troubles are but a memory. So I will add that WFP really done my head in for a while and I found it quite stressful adapting to a different way of working. However, if you're prepared to put upwith that for a while, the benefits can be enormous if that's how you wish to do things.
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
You got me reviewing my poost Tony. I hope I haven't presented it as a magic wand myself. Making the transition was a tricky process for me. It can be easy to forget that when the teething troubles are but a memory. So I will add that WFP really done my head in for a while and I found it quite stressful adapting to a different way of working. However, if you're prepared to put upwith that for a while, the benefits can be enormous if that's how you wish to do things.
No, no
Not aimed at you shiner, just a generalisation. IMO it's just as important that negatives of wfp are revealed as positives, as wfp is not for all situations & to tell someone otherwise is selfish & wrong. :'(
It's also quite apparent that many wfp converts didn't have a clue how to price up their trad work, as it seems they are only making more money from the speed aspect.
Tony
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I think you have misunderstood me my spikey tongued friend.
Any window cleaner, using ladders (not wfp) should be earning plenty. Window cleaning is profitable, no matter how you do it. (Using WFP is more profitable, as its quicker but thats by-the-by) So if somebody is window cleaning using ladders and still cant scrape together enough cash for a WFP system, then they are not very good at window cleaning, simple.
How can you NOT make good money from window cleaning?? That is beyond me.
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The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp . My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall ! I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now ;D
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The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp . My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall ! I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now ;D
Told ya ;D ;D
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The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp . My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall ! I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now ;D
So why have you been criticising wfp so much when you had never even seen it in use until today!! I can clean some house up to 4 times as quick as I used to trad, and thats a fact!!!! ;D
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I know window cleaners making £500, £600 or more a week and they can't go forking out a grand or more just like that.
You can earn that sort of money at Tescos!! A decent window cleaner should be able to take much more!!!! ;)
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.
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You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker
Tony
Sorry but if a trad guy can do a particular house in 10 mins, I can guarantee that I would be able to do the same house in 5 mins or less!!! ;)
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Don't start. ::)
You can't do a 3 bed average estate house in 5 minutes wfp.
Stop cuddling it!
I doesn't love you back.
Anyway, I could do it in 3 minutes trad.
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Don't start. ::)
You can't do a 3 bed average estate house in 5 minutes wfp.
Oh yes I can!!! ;)
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Don't start. ::)
Stop cuddling it!
I doesn't love you back.
Oh yes it does!!!!!!! ;D
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Anyway, I could do it in 3 minutes trad.
Oh no you can't!!! ;D
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The first time I saw wfp in action was today , i was cleaning house the trad way , and he was doing next door wfp . My jaw nearly hit the floor ! He was so fast it was unreall ! I am really thinking of giving wfp a go now ;D
Typical, opinions on everything regardless of knowledge.
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Did you see his thread?
Organising a national leaflet drop for all window cleaners and having a switch board to allocate the work "is not rocket science". My thoughts were this guy can't even organise his mind to decide about wfp and he wants to start a national marketing campaign.
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;D ;D delusions of granduer, methinks
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i think pole if used in right hands is as good as trad {im trad}but it seems in my area that most who use it abuse it i.e quick scrub quick rinse quick tenner which is good for me cos i pick up loads of ex-pole work cos people dont seem to be using it properly and customers not happy
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I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)
They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.
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I think there is room for both.
As people say it is an extra tool.
Traded the back of a house yesterday and thought how quick it was against wfp.
However, traded,( under request), a house a week before with small pains and it took 1/4 more time.
(I do a house oposite with wfp exactly the same size. Far quicker).
Big windows and small pains the wfp comes into its own.
No doubt others will think diferent.
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I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)
They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.
god almighty you really are a conceited ass ::)
what facts ???
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read the who works out of cars thread sol
what has vehicle or system got to do with being able to make pure water
sometimes i feel like giving you the benefit of the doubt
then you come out with patronising and insulting crap like that ::)
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I do pretty mutch that suss, but no complaints (apart from it didn't take long)
They complain about others though. My theory is that the cars and barrels guys don't know much about getting the water pure. I don't know if this is true, but it would fit the facts.
god almighty you really are a conceited ass ::)
what facts ???
Im glad you said it bud, cos it saved me doing it.
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Matt could i ask how things are going now you changed over to wfp ? How long have you been doing it now ?
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You asked me that about a month ago, anyway, here we go again ;D
I have never looked back, I love it. I believe in the tools, I have more energy at the end of the day, I enthuse about work now, I NEED more work because I get through it so much quicker, and the money, is well......(does Alistair Darling read this site?) better!!!
I really really wish Id done it years ago, but oh how I scoffed before. I got a Freedom Trolley 3 months ago, but am going van mount already.
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sorry mate i just need to hear it a few more times lol . The lad who I saw using wfp took the time to explain his system to me and said he felt the same as me regarding changing over . He said It might take a few cleans to get it spot on ( cos of using fairy )
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I used GG4 for about a year or so prior to changing over, not becasue I was changing but thats what I used; but the last trad clean prior to going over I made sure all the frames especially the top horizontal got wiped off good and proper. I had one complaint after completing the round once WFP; and this was because the frames always had been minging; I wasnt going to clean them up before because they were so bad and the custy didnt want to pay.
However after the second clean the guy came out and shook my hand and was pleased as punch with the job.
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.
Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him ???
;) ;) ;)
Tony
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when i was going round trad there were a couple of windows on most houses that i couldn't get to cos of the conservatory.
I used to walk away with my £8 thinking it would be a tenner if i had wfp (or could use a trad pole properly).
Now i walk away with that tenner, and once or twice a year much more than that because i can clean fascias and underside of gutters.
The kid in me loved being up ladders looking over fields and countryside. But the reason, 'why not trad' was cos i can maximise my earning potential per job by reaching everything. And doing it much quicker and more profitably than i could traditionally.
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.
Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him ???
;) ;) ;)
Tony
No he`ll have had enough at a certain point in the day where`s i`ll keep on going strong,i`ll have an early finnish because i`ve earnt enough and he`ll have an early day because he`s knackered. ;) ;) ;)
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It's got nothing at all to do with method, only simple minded remedials like tennet think this way.
I.E.
tennet charges 40 per hour wfp
Trad guy charges 50 per hour
Who's the numpty now? ::)
You are right about the 10 minute house, no way wfp will be quicker, one big set back that no one ever tells you about is waiting for the drips from the tops to stop hitting the bottom especialy if they are concrete sills.
Be very, very careful who you take advice from, wfp has many issues & IS NOT the magic wand some would bully you into thinking. ;)
Now, anyone else?
Tony
Hi Tony long time no speak,as regards to your post if a trad guy charged £20 an hour more than me i would still do double what he does easily so the difference in charging would mean nothing.
Do your hours have more than 60 minutes in them then? from what you say here you would do double the work for 20 quid less than him ???
;) ;) ;)
Tony
No he`ll have had enough at a certain point in the day where`s i`ll keep on going strong,i`ll have an early finnish because i`ve earnt enough and he`ll have an early day because he`s knackered. ;) ;) ;)
after a 7/.8 hour trad trad going like the clappers I found it hard to sit down when driving home, thats not good for anyone, wfp takes less toll on your body, so thats another plus point to it
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Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.
That in two sentances sums up the whole trad v WFP issue.
As long as the customer pays you at the end of the job who cares?
I don't.
Have to agree with Vince,
however,
you're just forgetting one small little thing,
SAFETY,
safety is paramount in my vocabulary.
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Trad is best on quality but its slower and harder work. WFP is quicker and less work so its more profitable per hour and you can work longer.
I have to disagree with your first point here, wfp used correctly will result in a far superior quality finish compared to trad as the window and frame will be perfectly clean, and leave no residue what so ever!!