Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Aquakleen Restoration Services on April 20, 2008, 09:03:21 pm
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Hi all
Does anyone know a good web designer? Im looking to have my site completely redone with some new services I am providing.
Many thanks
John
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Mark Roberts UK does some of the best websites for easy viewing for the public known to man.
Do a search for the UK version not the Irish version.
Shaun
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John
Try these people www.redder.co.uk. They have looked after me for years, Call and ask for Adam, top bloke and knows his stuff. Very good with adwords and free listing on google and others. From what i have heard about Mark he knows very little about Google listings and such like.
This is just as important as the website if not more so. If you dont get seen the best sites wont get you any work. I know Marks site's are great but design needs to be supported by the backup for the search listings and thats what redder do.
Cheers
Neil
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:o :o :o
Very little about google listings?
Take a look at any of the sites that mark has done and they all rank high naturally on google.
Who told you this rubbish?
Cheers Goron
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Goron
I am only going on the fact that I have been asked to do the talk about adwords, google and yahoo at the next CCDO and not Mark.
If Mark knows his stuff then I am sorry but i was told this and asked if I would do a section on this for that very reason.
Neil
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Neil I agree that you need your site to be ranked highly by Google but you need it to be read aswell, Mark being a cleaner knows how to market to our clients that's why they do well but as for rankings on google he rates 9/10 but if you want nearer 10/10 pay the extra and get it optimised after design IMO I think it's better that way and that's what I did.
Shaun
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Check out our sites, Mark has more knowledge than most of these big website companies, why burn your money on Adwords? when you can maintain high natural searches.
Regards
S
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It's important to seperate the two.
Neil knows how to use adwords effectively and it works for him. Several people raised this question at Mike Boxalls session recently.
What Mark does is very different and has also been highly effective for a one off cost so the two cannot be compared in too much detail.
Pete
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Shaun
Fully agree with you, Website does need to be a good read thats why mine is being re-written at the moment.
Marks websites are great but their is going to be so much more needed in the future to keep your site up their, these guys i use know it inside out and I can only recommend them for all aspect of design and hosting from what they have done for me.
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If I type "carpet cleaning sheffield" both of Spencers sites come up in the google paid for adverts but as far as I know Spencer doesn't pay for anything as he's tighter than me!
Shaun
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HI Spencer
I have high natural and adwords in most area's i need it. It does make a lot of difference and you get people that look for companies at both ends of the spectrum.
Its a double your money win win as regards the internet. Free listing are going to lose their way because google have realised that Adwords is a multi billion money maker and large companies are starting to put pressure on them to remove the free listings are make it impossible for them to be on the first 2or 3 pages.
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Shaun
I would love to know how he has done that because the Adwords listings are not free at any level.
Whats the secret on that then spencer, would love to know, thought that was impossible.
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You could always do some research and try optimising your own site.
Neil, where did you get the info that google were scrapping natural listings?
Arthur
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My old company that I worked for back in my IT days, do all the training for the uk google staff and this is part of the future training program. I have the training manual for it and their is going to be big changes to google. I would not worry though as this may take a year or so,
Spent 10 years working in IT application and network training putting together training programs for many different blue chips. I just got fed up with it and wanted a direction change, I have all my contacts and training manuals and still get all the new stuff thats is coming out.
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Neil, where did you get the info that google were scrapping natural listings?
Probably from one of the expert SEO companies that are out there that are all experts on how to get to the top of Google but all say different things.
The industry leaders in Search Engine Marketing can't agree on how Google's algorithms are calculated. This is the reason for Google's sucess. If you search for "carpet cleaner yourtown" most of the listings that come up are genuine sites for local carpet cleaners. If you search for "carpet cleaner yourtown" on MSN you struggle to find a carpet cleaner that is actualy in the town you searched. That's why people use Google to search the web.
The junk directories and spam sites can fool Google's system from time to time but they cant beat the system.
To suggest that Google are about to change their system and the founding principle that they were founded on is crazy speculation. Its the power of the market if they change there will be another new Google to take its place.
Its not that difficult to get to the first page of Google for carpet cleaning for your area. I do for most of my sites and the ones that dont will be soon as I am working on them. I do the same as Neil and have paid for Adwords and natural listings. It works well for me otherwise I wouldnt do it. I agree that natural listings can carry more weight with the viewing public but adwords fill the gaps and from the number of people that click through on them I am convinced they are worth the pennies that they cost me.
My advice to anyone that hasnt got a site is to get get one now as the competion is doing so and one of the things that people say Google look for is age of site. Also starting now you can build the links that link to you.
The other thing people always seem to forget when talking about SEO is page views and length of view. It is fact that Google track this. So if someone opens your site from finding it from a Google for a specific search term and then clicks back button straight after looking at the first page then it's obviously is a pants site and not what they were looking for. However if the look at a few of the pages for a bit of time then it was what they were looking for. So having a site that doesnt work in all browsers or like a few carpet cleaning sites that I have seen recently where its actually a struggle to understand what the company does or the site looks to American can cost you IMO. I think the sites that Mark does look like what a customer would be expecting to find.
Sorry for the waffle.
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Neil
I was typing before you posted again. If this true then that is very sad but market forces will always win and there will be a new Google to takes its place.
The IT industry is full of Bully Bull Sh!t more so then the carpet cleaning industry.
You heard it here first guys sell those Google shares.
R.I.P. Google
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Hi Michael,
Why do you pay for adwords when your sites do well naturally? They even come up when they pick up my site on your links page when i test run my search terms on google.
Arthur
PS Do you want to swap links with my new site? It's just about a week old and it's on page 3 already ;) ;D
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Art
The more mud you through the more chance some of it has got of sticking.
My sites generally do well on the natural listings but they fluctuate a bit as well and are not so strong yet in some areas. Where as Google Adwords they don't also I can use Adwords for terms like "chemdry my town" etc. One day when I am the king of Essex for Google I may stop the Adwords. But first I have to knock that wiley old owl Mr Doug Holloway of the top perch.
ps. I will link your new site to all my sites in next two days. Just put www.essex-cleaning.co.uk on yours please.
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Hi all
I will get the manual sent through on soft copy so if anyone wants it then feel free to mail me.
Google have to change because Microsoft are going to challenge the market in a big way.
Google are not the company they were when they first started up, they have a very different aim to when they started, search for the people was what they stood for, but that was when its was setup my a bunch of college egg heads.
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Art
The more mud you through the more chance some of it has got of sticking.
My sites generally do well on the natural listings but they fluctuate a bit as well and are not so strong yet in some areas. Where as Google Adwords they don't also I can use Adwords for terms like "chemdry my town" etc. One day when I am the king of Essex for Google I may stop the Adwords. But first I have to knock that wiley old owl Mr Doug Holloway of the top perch.
ps. I will link your new site to all my sites in next two days. Just put www.essex-cleaning.co.uk on yours please.
Thanks.
What description do you want me to put?
Could you put my description as office cleaning and domestic cleaning in Slough, Windsor and Maidenhead please
Arthur
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Cheers Art. Same discription thats one your other site.
Michael
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Hi Guys
The strength of Google as has been stated is the relevance of its results, if they were to go to paid for listings only on the first few pages, then they would effectively become just another directory and people would soon switch.
On of the beauties of the internet is that we can switch very quickly, simply by using a different search engine.
The pressure on Google is typical of what happens when money becomes the overiding consideration, as happens with public quoted companies who have to dance to the tune of their shareholders.
Cheers
Doug
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From what i have heard about Mark he knows very little about Google listings and such like.
Hi Neil, you heard wrong then, Ive been doing seo for over 10 years and have tried and tested every trick in the book but I choose rarely to blow my own trumpet on the forums and certainly wont be giving out mis-information & waffle talks on the subject because my sites work, people spread my name - un-asked as you can see.
I'll let my sites do the talking for me ;) 6 of mine are on the first 2 pages of google for *carpet cleaning* and its unusual if a site Ive done doesn't get to no1 for muitible *carpet cleaning your area* in the natural listings which is what 80% of people click on rather than adwords. For fast results and some products etc their great, but for selling a service natural listings win everytime, especially if your no1 or 2 for your area, maybe one day your get your site to those natural positions Neil? (looking at your sites code I doubt it though as its a shocker from an seo point of view)
There are also other ways to generate leads off the internet, a hotel website I done last year is in a highly competitive area for its keywords, they now solely get all their business from the web but not from adwords or natural listings...
Microsoft on the net=fail, the same rumours came up when ms brought out live search - as Doug says it will never happen, natural will always dominate because of relervance and we will follow the seo trends like normal.
M
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I can vouch for what Mark is saying www.newcastlecarpetcare.co.uk went live last week and its on the first page of google for carpet cleaning newcastle
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Mark
why the personal attack, I was only going on what people have told me, but as I said in my mail if that is wrong i am sorry.
It was never ment to be a slight on you. I will ask my provider why this is and come back to you, thanks for raising it. Natural listings are not as good as Adwords and thats whats it all about for me anyway,
Adwords is pulling over between £2500 and £3000 a month with a spend of around £150 a month, adwords does work and works well.
By the way the towns i wanted to be listed on Natural listings I am on the first page, Camberley, Fleet, Aldershot, Basingstoke, Farnborough, and Yateley. Not really bothered about other area's as this is my working area.
Cheers
Neil
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Phew, just got back from picking up my new Truck Mount, I read your posts with interest Neil, I am not sure ANYONE can say what Google will and wont do in the future, its all speculation.
With regards to big companies putting pressure on Google?? Surely if Natural listings were changed to prioritise Ad Words - Sponsored listings then Google wouldn't be considered a true search engine, just a paid directory site.
S