Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: pjulk on April 10, 2008, 03:30:40 pm
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Used Isopropanyl today for the first time on a builders clean on a mental hospital and the building was rotten.
I can't believe how much easier it was with the Isopropanyl and when dried they looked well shiny.
The site manager said the windows have come up much better than expected and said they want me all the time now to do there windows on all there builders cleans.
I was only there to do one building inside and out for 3 cleans.
I will be using the Isopropanyl now on all my cleans.
Paul
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ok, good, how do you apply it? In the tank? what size tank and what size dosage? A litre?
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Told you so. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I'll tell you the other hing to try and that is that surgical hand cleanser you get in hosptals etc. You rub is into your hands, it cleans them, and then is evaporates. Clear as a bell.
Top tip eh?
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i use it all the time aswell thanks to nwh , you do notice a diffrance when using it :)
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Has any one purchased Isopropanyl online! if so do you have a link, as I would like to buy some
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Just go on Ebay and type in IPA,the list will be as long as your arm but make sure you get the iso that`s 100% pure,it should cost you about £10-12 for 5 litres and some comes with no label on it due to it being from large 25 liter containers.
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haven't tried it yet, though ws sure the tip was a good un.
Glad i saw this post as it has reminded me to get some.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=Isopropyl++&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=NR33+0UB&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ga10244=10425&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=32&fsoo=2
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Dave,NWH,I`ve been using `Iso ` now for a few days,I`ve found it makes
Tiny little bubbles when ya first start using it.Also it makes the glass a
`tad`shinier when done.Although the snag I`ve found is I`ve had to put
About,well anything up to 1 liter of `Iso`into 50 liters of pure water.I`ve
Hav`nt noticed a jot of a difference in making hydraphobic glass `sheet`
Better.Half a cup full in 600 liter tank,I just can`t believe that at all!
Can anyone correct me where I`m going wrong,thanks.
Lewis Doubtfire Gleem Clean ( The Blade Runner )
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the amount i use lewis is a cap full per 25 ltrs , 1 ltr into 50 ltrs you dont need that amout . have you got the correct ipa as theres a few diffrent strenghs i use the 95% pure ipa as for sheeting it dosnt sheet on all windows , i did notice when i started using ipa that a lot of the windows now sheet that wasnt before but some not many still bead .
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In 500ltrs 3/4 of a pint is the perfect measure,Lewis the reason there not sheeting yet is because it takes a while to get rid of the polish-silicone on the glass over time this should get broken down and they should start to sheet,if the water has bubbles in it when working you have enough ISO in the tank,you don`t need to keep adding it all the time if you top up on top of water already in the tank with it in.When the bubbles stop then add another 3/4 of a pint,it works really well on PVC and you can see the difference on wooden window`s as there seems to be less milking,as said they seem to have more of a shine to them when using ISO don`t ask me why.
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Ian Curtis said -
ok, good, how do you apply it? In the tank? what size tank and what size dosage? A litre?
Not sure of the correct dosage but i put 1/2 ltr in a 650ltr tank of water.
NWH said -
Told you so.
I know you did :) i have had it a few weeks and got it really for when the temperature drops but i knew todays clean was going to be a hard one so thought well it can't do no harm i'll chuck half a bottle of the stuff in.
I only bought 1 ltr to try it out but now im going see if i can get 25 ltrs of it.
Paul
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I now use it regardless of the weather conditions but it makes such a difference on cold mornings also.
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Does it remove silicon ? Does it replace your hot wash ?
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I may be a dummy but where do you get this stuff from(aside from flea bay).
Also do you guys use this all the time and how environmentally friendly is it? Is there any odour?
Sorry for the questions
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It smells like alcohol and it is perfectly ok to use for WFP,the resin manufacturers say it will have no effect on the resin.
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I get mine at my local janitorial supplies.The fella who sold me my first liter
For £2 said quality wise it was as good as it gets.NWH,so after breaking down
The silicone on the glass then,it should start to `cinema curtain`and sheet better?
In your experience how many cleans does it take on average to break the silicone
Down ? Thanks
Lewis Doubtfire Gleem Clean ( The Blade Runner )
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Thats good info.
Do you guys that use it do so all the time or just occasionally?
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Just order from ebay to help with one off jobs or first cleans 8) (cost to much for every day use)
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Just been speaking to Purolite about their MB400 Resin and putting Pure Isopropanol through it. The specialist I needed to speak to was not in so I sent him this email:
Hi Brian,
I spoke to one of your collegues earlier today regarding the use of Isopropanol Pure Alcohol for Pure Water Window Cleaning.
As you may be aware alot of Window Cleaners use pure water to clean and some use a little Isopropanol added to the water to help with the cleaning process but the majority of Window Cleaners have their water already filtered before it goes into their storage tanks in their work vehicles and then add a little Isopropanol into their water tanks.
My problem is I filter onboard with 2 DI vessels holding Purolite MB400 Mixed Bed Resin as my TDS/PPM is only 24 here near ********. So I am worried that if I put Pure Isopropanol into my tank it will be removed by the Resin before reaching the windows.
To you this question may seem stupid but to me I just dont know. Will the Resin remove or absorb the pure alcohol or because its pure does it have nothing to remove?
I know that this alcohol is pure when read with a PARTS PER MILLION TDS reader but I was concerned that the Resin may be removing PARTS PER BILLION, therefore resulting in the alcohol being removed too. Do you follow?
Thanks, for your help, Luke , ********* Professional Window Cleaning
Luke
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Why did you send him all those kisses?
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Because I love Purolite and all its workers ;D No I was just covering my company name, Luke
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Just been speaking to Purolite about their MB400 Resin and putting Pure Isopropanol through it. The specialist I needed to speak to was not in so I sent him this email:
Hi Brian,
I spoke to one of your collegues earlier today regarding the use of Isopropanol Pure Alcohol for Pure Water Window Cleaning.
As you may be aware alot of Window Cleaners use pure water to clean and some use a little Isopropanol added to the water to help with the cleaning process but the majority of Window Cleaners have their water already filtered before it goes into their storage tanks in their work vehicles and then add a little Isopropanol into their water tanks.
My problem is I filter onboard with 2 DI vessels holding Purolite MB400 Mixed Bed Resin as my TDS/PPM is only 24 here near ********. So I am worried that if I put Pure Isopropanol into my tank it will be removed by the Resin before reaching the windows.
To you this question may seem stupid but to me I just dont know. Will the Resin remove or absorb the pure alcohol or because its pure does it have nothing to remove?
I know that this alcohol is pure when read with a PARTS PER MILLION TDS reader but I was concerned that the Resin may be removing PARTS PER BILLION, therefore resulting in the alcohol being removed too. Do you follow?
Thanks, for your help, Luke , ********* Professional Window Cleaning
Luke
Luke ISO is fluid as is water if what your saying was true the water that is put through resin would all be absorbed by the resin resulting in air coming out the end of your pole,resin is positivley and negativley charged this process absorbs impurities in the water leaving it pure.The amount that i`m on about using would not effect the resin at all,it`s been checked by a resin supplier and they`ve given it the ok to be used if wanted.
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ah I c.
I been looking on fleabay and it looks like it;'ll cost about £3 a day with a 500l tank.
Anyone find out who's the cheapest yet?
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NWH:
Ill post his reply, Luke
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£3 a day i don`t think so,i`ve had my 5ltr bottle for well over 3 months and like i said it dosen`t need putting in everyday as it stays in the tank mixed in the water,add water to it ie top it up and you should get 2000-2500ltrs out of 3/4 of a pint.Remember if you have bubbles at the brushead you still have some in your water.
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But how many bubbles? How many bubbles is too much?
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As the water hits the glass it looks for a split second like it has detergent in it,almost straight away it dissapears.All the time your brushing it will bubble up,and then when you rinse the bubbles will go again and then the window will dry as normal,you only get bubbles when brushing and rinsing theres no bubbles during the drying process.
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So it looks like buy 5l, fill a 500l tank with pure water and add a pint of ipa and as long as you don't use the whole lot n one go, you shouldn't have to add any more ipa until it stops bubbling? But if the first dosing uses a pint, doesn't it get massviely dil;uted on subsequent days?
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Yes it does get diluted but when you stop getting bubbles add the same measure to another 500ltrs or what ever tank you have.You should get at least 2000ltrs to 1 measure.
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Does anybody on here use both hot water and Isopropanol? I would think there is some sort of risk with a heater and a flammable liquid? Luke
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Isopropyl alcohol vapor is heavier than air and is highly flammable with a very wide combustible range. It should be kept away from heat and open flame.
It is also toxic, so be careful about getting it on your skin and in your body!! Luke
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Just a thought, isopropanol is much less dense than water' so i would have thought it highly likely that the small amount being used will sit at the top of your tank most of the time as it's not being circulated, the take off point will be at the bottom of your tank well away from the alcohol?
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Here is some evidence to suggest it might cause problems on bare metal/aluminium frames:
Like most alcohols, isopropyl alcohol reacts with active metals such as potassium to form alkoxides which can be called isopropoxides. The reaction with aluminium (initiated by a trace of mercury) is used to prepare the catalyst aluminium isopropoxide.
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Pure Isopropanol is "anhydrous", which means it contains 0% water, Luke
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Just a thought, isopropanol is much less dense than water' so i would have thought it highly likely that the small amount being used will sit at the top of your tank most of the time as it's not being circulated, the take off point will be at the bottom of your tank well away from the alcohol?
It sits on top of the water like a film.
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So why doesnt it sit on top of the water in the tank?
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So do you mix it in before work? And have you had any problems with it reacting with bare aluminium? Luke
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So why doesnt it sit on top of the water in the tank?
Because it is less dense, Luke
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
a bit more.
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Someone also mentioned that resin is made from polystyrene? wouldn't think too much would be good for that. I wonder if the big manufacturers have played with it yet like Ionics perhaps?
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Just a thought, isopropanol is much less dense than water' so i would have thought it highly likely that the small amount being used will sit at the top of your tank most of the time as it's not being circulated, the take off point will be at the bottom of your tank well away from the alcohol?
It sits on top of the water like a film.
But your drawing from the bottom of the tank???
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Im sure they have, they will be on here regularly ( Hi Ionic Systems!! ).
Most typical ion exchange resins are based on crosslinked polystyrene. The required active groups can be introduced after polymeration, or substituted monomers can be used. For example, the crosslinking is often achieved by adding 0.5-25% of divinyl benzene to styrene at the polymerisation process.
It is nothing like the polystyrene we know,
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/28/Ion_exchange_resin.jpeg)
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Hi
You can buy it from any print suppliers try
litho supplies
Apex digital
abdick
or keene graphics.
Don't have thier numbers t hand but you can just google them.
Ive said it before but don't use too much as it will make any plastic very brittle over time, and wear a mask and goggles when you handle it is not nice stuff
tom
tom
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/surten.html#c3 heat lowers surface tension of water (ask Mr Solubility..... so that's where he got his name). So does Isopropanol.
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Tompoole - another ex printworker then. :)
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oh yes 22 years , but at last i'm free . started this lark about xmas time not as well paid as printing but far better way of life, hopfully it will get even better during the summer months
tom
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if you add the iso to a near empty ibc and then start the ro it disperses evenly as tank fills
i have found that dilution rates as low as 0.05% is enough affect surface tension
approx £40 for 25 litres from most print suppliers
will not react with aluminium because the reaction is precipitated by mercury and it is in solution not neat
will not affect paint or plastic at these dilutions
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I wonder what sort of effect it will have on 'self cleaning glass' over time as propanol is used to clean the glass before application and if application is bad it is re-cleaned with it!
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So........................in time does it cause non-sheeting windows to sheet?????
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My first experience was a poor choice of customer. Isopropanol in tank and ready to go.
First job was a new shop front chocka with Georgian panes. WFP for these then. Now I knew with IPA there would be bubbles at the brush head but (insert non offensive word if necessary) ME I was leaving bubble bath down the pavement.
I was dreading the rest of the day if I could ever leave this first job.
Graciously (or not) the cleaners had been cleaning the outsides (bless 'em >:()
I have found greasy prints clean easier with IPA in the water. Am yet to find out if "fatherless children" windows will come round to my way of thinking. I live in hope.
Now if this concoction can clean a barbecued window in one pass i will be indeed happy. Haven't come across one yet this year. I guess only time will tell...
Ben
How much did you put in?
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So........................in time does it cause non-sheeting windows to sheet?????
Matt just wondered how you are getting on after moving to wfp ? Am trad myself and thinking of going over to the other side ;D
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So........................in time does it cause non-sheeting windows to sheet?????
Matt just wondered how you are getting on after moving to wfp ? Am trad myself and thinking of going over to the other side ;D
Ok matey, lemme tell ya, its been the best move I ever made, absolutely no doubt about it.
Some guys on here said in time, shortly after going over, you'll have bad days and wish you'd never done it, you'll want to throw it out and go back to the ladder, they were right, those moments came, and lasted all of 10 minutes.
I love it now, I have a real enthusiasm for it, love my job all the more, I find it so much more challenging/rewarding and the money, well, its better than I hoped for sure, oh yess !!
So, Id would say without a doubt, do it. You WILL NOT regret it.
Matt
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Did you mannage to keep most of your trad customers ? ( sorry to hijack this post I will go now )
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So........................in time does it cause non-sheeting windows to sheet?????
Matt just wondered how you are getting on after moving to wfp ? Am trad myself and thinking of going over to the other side ;D
Ok matey, lemme tell ya, its been the best move I ever made, absolutely no doubt about it.
Some guys on here said in time, shortly after going over, you'll have bad days and wish you'd never done it, you'll want to throw it out and go back to the ladder, they were right, those moments came, and lasted all of 10 minutes.
I love it now, I have a real enthusiasm for it, love my job all the more, I find it so much more challenging/rewarding and the money, well, its better than I hoped for sure, oh yess !!
So, Id would say without a doubt, do it. You WILL NOT regret it.
Matt
told ya so ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Did you mannage to keep most of your trad customers ? ( sorry to hijack this post I will go now )
Havent lost any, even do half my bungalows with it.
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So........................in time does it cause non-sheeting windows to sheet?????
Matt just wondered how you are getting on after moving to wfp ? Am trad myself and thinking of going over to the other side ;D
Ok matey, lemme tell ya, its been the best move I ever made, absolutely no doubt about it.
Some guys on here said in time, shortly after going over, you'll have bad days and wish you'd never done it, you'll want to throw it out and go back to the ladder, they were right, those moments came, and lasted all of 10 minutes.
I love it now, I have a real enthusiasm for it, love my job all the more, I find it so much more challenging/rewarding and the money, well, its better than I hoped for sure, oh yess !!
So, Id would say without a doubt, do it. You WILL NOT regret it.
Matt
told ya so ;D ;D ;D ;)
Oh arr, you did that, and oi fank yea most gratefully for that Mr Forp ;D
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serious tho mate glad its going well ;D
hope you are feeling as good as too :)
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serious tho mate glad its going well ;D
hope you are feeling as good as too :)
Cheers, and thanks for the thought. Appreciated.
Matt
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There are two people on eabay selling this stuff - one says it is 99.9% pure, and the other one says his is 97.7% pure.
Can this be true? Or are they both near enough to 100% not to matter?
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I haven't tested the TDS of 97% pure IPA, but I decided not to take the chance and go for 99.9%, which is 000 TDS. Even for the 97%, it might be parts per billion, and still be 0 TDS. I'm not 100% certain.
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I've ordered some 99.9%.
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I have 99.7% and that 000tds.
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oh yes 22 years , but at last i'm free . started this lark about xmas time not as well paid as printing but far better way of life, hopfully it will get even better during the summer months
tom
It gets better, takes a while and before long the money starts to improve, once you start getting work from word of mouth you know your doing ok. Over a year for me, still getting a few gaps and poor weeks but something usually pops up from nowhere. Do i miss the print trade? Not one little bit! ;)
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Does anybody on here use both hot water and Isopropanol? I would think there is some sort of risk with a heater and a flammable liquid? Luke
Never one to be put off by risk of explosion,... I'll be testing this nest week! ;D ;D ;D
A mate of mine ordered the IPA for me (He got in a big batch for making bio diesel) before I ordered the hot system,... and its been sitting in hos house for a month. I'll pick it up Monday and try it out.
Would it really cost £3 a day to use it???? My hot system costs less than £1 per day to run!
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It would be for me about 1/2 ltr a week so about 75p per day
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It would be for me about 1/2 ltr a week so about 75p per day
That's much better! I was thinking some of the dilutions mentioned were a bit high! I'm going to go 1:1000 to begin with,.. 400 ml in my 400 litre tank, and see what happens.
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Personally, all it does is to help the water wet the window better or sheet and didnt make any difference to how it dried paticulary on hphobic, - but I could be very wrong.
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As a wetting agent in printing it's mixed with water at ten to twelve percent in cooled water not much above freezing point to avoid evaporation. The quantities used on this forum are miniscule and uncontrolled. I would be very suprised if there was much benefit. I could be wrong.
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Any of us could be 'very wrong', but you have to try these things.
But I could be wrong.
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Very worrying- are we are all wrong and going down the same road ;D ;D ;D
I do like tinkering !
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How about a dash of white vinegar in your water? ;D
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I use dilute gg3, similar psycholigical(spelling anyone ? ) effect as ISO
Tried white and brown and "yellow" vinegar. :o
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Does anyone know if Methanol can be used instead of IPO?
Cheers
Dave.
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Does anyone know if Methanol can be used instead of IPO?
Cheers
Dave.
ive tryed this and it works but did notice a rise in the tds reading ... one thing ive noticed while using ipa is that the windows dry quicker than just using pure water so thats another benifit of using ipa .
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Surely the alcohol evaporates off before the water and if your using a whiskey glassful per tank then the amount on the glass must be neglegable? Chuck in a litre and your still 650 : 1 What's that less than 1%? you could drink the stuff at that dilution and not notice.
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Also you have no way of knowing your dilution rate just by chucking a bit in the tank every few tanfulls gives you no idea of how strong your solution is. If it's floating on the top and not evaporating anywhere then your solution will get stronger over the months. The only way to accurately measure what your doing would be to measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer at the point where the water contacts the glass before evaporation - you'll probably find the reading so small that your using pure water anyway.
Isopropanol by the way is excellent stuff!
Appearance: clear. Flash Point: 12 deg C.
Warning! Flammable liquid. May cause skin irritation. Hygroscopic. May cause central nervous system depression. May cause kidney damage. May form explosive peroxides. May cause reproductive effects based upon animal studies. May cause severe eye irritation and possible injury. Causes digestive and respiratory tract irritation. Target Organs: Kidneys, central nervous system.
Potential Health Effects
Eye:
Produces irritation, characterized by a burning sensation, redness, tearing, inflammation, and possible corneal injury.
Skin:
May cause skin sensitization, an allergic reaction, which becomes evident upon re-exposure to this material. Prolonged and/or repeated contact may cause defatting of the skin and dermatitis. May cause irritation with pain and stinging, especially if the skin is abraded.
Ingestion:
May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause kidney damage. May cause central nervous system depression, characterized by excitement, followed by headache, dizziness, drowsiness, and nausea. Advanced stages may cause collapse, unconsciousness, coma and possible death due to respiratory failure.
Inhalation:
Inhalation of high concentrations may cause central nervous system effects characterized by headache, dizziness, unconsciousness and coma. Inhalation of vapor may cause respiratory tract irritation. May cause narcotic effects.
Chronic:
Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause defatting and dermatitis. May cause allergic skin reaction in some individuals.
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Jeff ( Brimble ) am I correct in thinking your putting gg3 into your
Backpack or trolley and mixing it with pure water ? If so,what dilution
Rate.? I agree with DJW here on this `Isņ`business.The dilution rates
That NHW is using it at all but beggars belief.Yet he `swears`by it !
Jeff Brimble is`nt exactly `jumping up and down and dancing on the
Table`about it.I know one thing,it ruddy well stinks ! At this time,I
Spent £2 for liter of it.I`ll try anything once,but unless I`m doing something
Wrong I`ll be putting my next £2 towards something else.Hope though
That NHW can persuade me otherwise.
Lewis Doubtfire Gleem Clean ( The Blade Runner )
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Also you have no way of knowing your dilution rate just by chucking a bit in the tank every few tanfulls gives you no idea of how strong your solution is. If it's floating on the top and not evaporating anywhere then your solution will get stronger over the months. The only way to accurately measure what your doing would be to measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer at the point where the water contacts the glass before evaporation - you'll probably find the reading so small that your using pure water anyway.
Isopropanol by the way is excellent stuff!
Appearance: clear. Flash Point: 12 deg C.
Warning! Flammable liquid. May cause skin irritation. Hygroscopic. May cause central nervous system depression. May cause kidney damage. May form explosive peroxides. May cause reproductive effects based upon animal studies. May cause severe eye irritation and possible injury. Causes digestive and respiratory tract irritation. Target Organs: Kidneys, central nervous system.
Potential Health Effects
Eye:
Produces irritation, characterized by a burning sensation, redness, tearing, inflammation, and possible corneal injury.
Skin:
May cause skin sensitization, an allergic reaction, which becomes evident upon re-exposure to this material. Prolonged and/or repeated contact may cause defatting of the skin and dermatitis. May cause irritation with pain and stinging, especially if the skin is abraded.
Ingestion:
May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause kidney damage. May cause central nervous system depression, characterized by excitement, followed by headache, dizziness, drowsiness, and nausea. Advanced stages may cause collapse, unconsciousness, coma and possible death due to respiratory failure.
Inhalation:
Inhalation of high concentrations may cause central nervous system effects characterized by headache, dizziness, unconsciousness and coma. Inhalation of vapor may cause respiratory tract irritation. May cause narcotic effects.
Chronic:
Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause defatting and dermatitis. May cause allergic skin reaction in some individuals.
Hmm, maybe you should think twice before spraying the stuff into the air and breathing the fine mist that you can get if the water bounces off the glass.
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to put this in perspective
if you got sprayed with beer down the pub would you run home to shower ???
ever drunk neat spirits ???
effective,or noticeable if you question effective,dilutions are as low as 0.05% by volume
if you are worried about fire hazzards try pouring a can of special brew on your daughters dolls house
now chuck a lit match at it ::)
get the idea
put 250 ml in 500 ltrs and you could drink 5 pints and pass a breath test
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Also you have no way of knowing your dilution rate just by chucking a bit in the tank every few tanfulls gives you no idea of how strong your solution is. If it's floating on the top and not evaporating anywhere then your solution will get stronger over the months. The only way to accurately measure what your doing would be to measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer at the point where the water contacts the glass before evaporation - you'll probably find the reading so small that your using pure water anyway.
Isopropanol by the way is excellent stuff!
Appearance: clear. Flash Point: 12 deg C.
Warning! Flammable liquid. May cause skin irritation. Hygroscopic. May cause central nervous system depression. May cause kidney damage. May form explosive peroxides. May cause reproductive effects based upon animal studies. May cause severe eye irritation and possible injury. Causes digestive and respiratory tract irritation. Target Organs: Kidneys, central nervous system.
Potential Health Effects
Eye:
Produces irritation, characterized by a burning sensation, redness, tearing, inflammation, and possible corneal injury.
Skin:
May cause skin sensitization, an allergic reaction, which becomes evident upon re-exposure to this material. Prolonged and/or repeated contact may cause defatting of the skin and dermatitis. May cause irritation with pain and stinging, especially if the skin is abraded.
Ingestion:
May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. May cause kidney damage. May cause central nervous system depression, characterized by excitement, followed by headache, dizziness, drowsiness, and nausea. Advanced stages may cause collapse, unconsciousness, coma and possible death due to respiratory failure.
Inhalation:
Inhalation of high concentrations may cause central nervous system effects characterized by headache, dizziness, unconsciousness and coma. Inhalation of vapor may cause respiratory tract irritation. May cause narcotic effects.
Chronic:
Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause defatting and dermatitis. May cause allergic skin reaction in some individuals.
djw have you ever used ipa ??? ??? i dont know where you got you info from but not one mention that this occurs when cleaning windows .... as for the skin taattooist use this for a surgical spray during and after applying a taattoo if youve never tryed ipa dont try and fault it ,, its great stuff.
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Yes i've used ipa for thirty three years every day but not for cleaning windows. I think it very unlikely that the same stuff would be spread on your skin. The information came from an internet search - it's not made up. I'm not saying it doesn't work i'm just pointing out that it's unlikely to make any difference in my opinion due to no-one knowing what rate they are using it at, it's so unscientific to glug a bit in your tank. Windows are gleaming with just pure water so why add anything else? My opinion is that the dilution rate is so low that you probably couldn't even measure it at the point of contact. It's just my opinion and for those who use it well that's up to you i'm not saying your right or wrong. ;)
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djw
we both know all about ipa ;D
i have used it at these low dilution rates abd it was enough to stop system icing up
i also noticed a difference in how the water behaved on glass
marcus norton also made same conclusions at similar dilutions
neither of us was expecting anything
the first lot of ipa was free so we had no reason to justify its worth
it stopped the water freezing in the pipes
it seemed to make the water behave different on the glass
as for safety ......at 250ml in 500ltrs,i would happily down a pint and not worry
surely you had the bloke who put a "shot" in his coffee at your place ;D
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As the water hits the glass it looks for a split second like it has detergent in it,almost straight away it dissapears.All the time your brushing it will bubble up,and then when you rinse the bubbles will go again and then the window will dry as normal,you only get bubbles when brushing and rinsing theres no bubbles during the drying process.
were do you buy the above if you dont mind me asking
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Google IPA.
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As the water hits the glass it looks for a split second like it has detergent in it,almost straight away it dissapears.All the time your brushing it will bubble up,and then when you rinse the bubbles will go again and then the window will dry as normal,you only get bubbles when brushing and rinsing theres no bubbles during the drying process.
were do you buy the above if you dont mind me asking
if you just want to try some buy it from maplins its £10.99
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surely you had the bloke who put a "shot" in his coffee at your place ;D
:-X not that i know of! ;D
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That's the point i'm trying to make - the dilution rate is SO low that i would doubt any benefits could be observed, so miniscule that the beads of water would have their original surface tension. I've got a "borrowed" bottle in the garage i might try one day.
I would like to see a proper test done by a sensible supplier/cleaner or whatever under a controlled environment though.
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That's the point i'm trying to make - the dilution rate is SO low that i would doubt any benefits could be observed, so miniscule that the beads of water would have their original surface tension. I've got a "borrowed" bottle in the garage i might try one day.
I would like to see a proper test done by a sensible supplier/cleaner or whatever under a controlled environment though.
if you have some just try it
that would be a good benchmark
you are not expecting any difference
you have no reason to justify the expense
give it a go and say what you see ;)
maybe the only benefits ARE in cold weather
go for it mate,thenjust give an honest opinion
cheer :)
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I`m no fool and if it didn`t work i would bin it,i don`t know how someone can comment when they havn`t used it for WC. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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£30 for 25 ltrs www.specialised-areosols.co.uk
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I`m no fool and if it didn`t work i would bin it,i don`t know how someone can comment when they havn`t used it for WC. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tell me NWH what's the alcohol doing, what exactly is it do you think that improves the wash?
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I`m no fool and if it didn`t work i would bin it,i don`t know how someone can comment when they havn`t used it for WC. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tell me NWH what's the alcohol doing, what exactly is it do you think that improves the wash?
As you know it`s a wetting agent and alcohol evaporates almost straight away on the glass,when mixed with the water it seems to be having the same effect by that i mean it seems to dry quicker than with just pure water.There is definitly a cleaner look to the glass when using it in my opinion,and like i`ve said on problem windows the results are improved,it might have something to do with the fact the waters not hanging around as long ie dries quicker.
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http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ispropanol-water-d_988.html
Found this whilst looking for information - if you want to use it as an antifreeze then it looks to me as if you want a mix of around ten percent? If so i would need six litres of the stuff in my tank.
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I`m no fool and if it didn`t work i would bin it,i don`t know how someone can comment when they havn`t used it for WC. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Tell me NWH what's the alcohol doing, what exactly is it do you think that improves the wash?
As you know it`s a wetting agent and alcohol evaporates almost straight away on the glass,when mixed with the water it seems to be having the same effect by that i mean it seems to dry quicker than with just pure water.There is definitly a cleaner look to the glass when using it in my opinion,and like i`ve said on problem windows the results are improved,it might have something to do with the fact the waters not hanging around as long ie dries quicker.
you cant get a cleaner finish than pure water that is obvious, from what you are saying it most leave some sort of polished film on the glass that reflects better than glass :-\ logical think, pure water nothing in cleaning glass right, means nothing on glass leaving natual finish. add IPA has to leave unatural finish.
my question is how it makes it look cleaner than some thing that is natural ??
NWH not knocking there in anyway as I think it would work on drying time, but this is puzzling me
Ian
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We use 1000 lts of water aday, How much Isopropanal would I need to use and how often....
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I was thinking of buying some, but have come to the conclusion that it is an unessasary waste of money! and potentially harmful as well. :(
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You are not supposed to drink it Groundhog, it is to be mixed in with the pure water to reduce surface tension( beading), and to increase the, erm, solubility.
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You are not supposed to drink it Groundhog, it is to be mixed in with the pure water to reduce surface tension( beading), and to increase the, erm, solubility.
What about when it comes into contact with your skin on a daily basis? Or if you splash some in your eyes? I won't be wasting my money thankyou!!
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Wait til you breathe some in.
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Wait till you get some in a cut or open wound!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'(
Tony
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Cleans it nicesly doesn't it? arghhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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out of all the doubters ask yourself 1 thing have you tryed ipa in your water to see what results you get . i even get customers saying they cant belive the shine on there windows , i started using ipa to stop the freeze which worked but while using it i noticed how much easier the water cut through the grease film in heavy traffic areas its got its benifits if your not prepared to try it then thats up to you but you cant really slate it until you have .
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I've never used it, but there is no reason to doubt what you say as a sizeable minority confirm it does a better job.It's unlikely that you are all mistaken.
As you say most of those with a counter opinion don't really have an informed comment. It's a shame that any real ideas that do come on the forum .such as isopropanol, inexpensive hot water systems, ,automatic electric reels, and much else besides are met with such negative comments.
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I've never used it, but there is no reason to doubt what you say as a sizeable minority confirm it does a better job.It's unlikely that you are all mistaken.
As you say most of those with a counter opinion don't really have an informed comment. It's a shame that any real ideas that do come on the forum .such as isopropanol, inexpensive hot water systems, ,automatic electric reels, and much else besides are met with such negative comments.
All the more for me then lol. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Mr Sol, it's called a discussion, we are discussing and debating the possible merits of isopropanol. Someone says it's great, another says not, some like me are on the fence and unconvinced yet. Wouldn't life be boring if we didn't debate things and automatically agreed with every post on here? Not all of us want to stick a drill on our hose reel why do you expect everyone to agree with all of your ideas? Some are good some not. ::)
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Query-----
I thought wfp are for the use of pure water with no additives so why?????? use a
chemical , surely this is going against everything good said about wfp.
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Query-----
I thought wfp are for the use of pure water with no additives so why?????? use a
chemical , surely this is going against everything good said about wfp.
i started to use ipa for prevention of freezing but noticed the outcome of the clean and used it ever since its not going against things that have been said , its finding something that lets you continue your work when you would normally be frozen off .