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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:44:38 pm

Title: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:44:38 pm
This picture shows a ballpoint ink stain on pigmented leather.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:45:44 pm
This picture shows spotting application with ink7.7™ onto stain.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:47:20 pm
This picture shows “Dwell-Time” – soil suspension principle at work.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:52:18 pm
This picture shows extraction with cotton swab.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:53:07 pm
This picture shows stain extracted.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:53:59 pm
This picture shows restorative cleaning with ultraClean4.5™ - an extra heavy duty preconditioner.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:54:46 pm
This picture shows cleaning with cleaner3.8™ > rinse3.0™ - to remove residues.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:55:29 pm
This picture shows application of relaxer3.3™ - to rehydrate the wrinkled leather structure due to diminishing original fatliquor.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:56:31 pm
This picture shows soaking time – to relax and plump the leather structure three dimensionally.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:57:45 pm
This picture shows conditioning the leather with fatliquor5.0™ - to restore the original fatliquor that resulted in unsightly creases and wrinkles.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 10:58:47 pm
This picture shows the result of fatliquor conditioning – leather structure rejuvenated with softness and strength.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 04, 2008, 11:01:22 pm
This picture shows the results of ballpoint ink removal plus leather structure conditioning.

You can do it too! I can help!

Questions and comments are welcome!

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
IICRC #942 Certified
Leather Cleaning Technician
Master Textile Cleaner
Master Fire & Smoke Restorer
Journeyman Water Restorer
www.f.com
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 04, 2008, 11:11:23 pm
If pigmented leather is leather sprayed with a 'paint' then why all of the conditioning treatments as it's the 'paint' that has the ballpoint mark on it, why not a delicate removal, clean with a respectable cleaner and a touch up with finish if required.

It's seems a big ordeal, I have removed successfully many pen marks and they do seem more straight forward then that.

What's the science?

Shaun
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: LTT Leathercare on April 05, 2008, 08:32:54 am
Will be interested in the reply to this Shaun.

For us the 'science' of all these things simply does not stack up. 

There are far quicker, easier and less product consuming methods than this.  As Shaun rightly says it is the surface coating we are dealing with and nothing gets removed from the leather itself so all these conditioners and preconditioners etc. are totally unecessary.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 05, 2008, 03:25:58 pm
I don't disagree with you Judy but it would be nice to hear a second opinion as yoursef and Ben are in theory speeking form the same hymn book but as they say "knowledge is power" and I would like to know as much as I can about as many products.

Shaun
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Roger Koh on April 05, 2008, 08:47:29 pm
The science of ballpoint ink removal for non-absorbent pigmented leathers is applying the principle of Dwell-Time.

Dwell-Time Principle:
“It is recommended that spotter be allowed 15 to 30 minutes of dwell time before stain extraction.
Dwell time provides the opportunity for spotter to fully emulsify or suspend stubborn ballpoint ink stain”.

Note:
Spotters should not be allowed to dry before stain extraction takes place, otherwise reapply then extract.

Residues:
Sticky residue removal with a leather safe pH (3-5) leather cleaner3.8™ follows with acidifier rinse3.0™.

Objective:
To remove the stains without damaging or removing the pigment finish.

Products for Ballpoint Ink Removal:
ink7.7™ > cleaner3.8™ > rinse3.0™.

Try these products out from the CCDO Leather Doctor® kit and post your experience here!

You can do better! I can help!

Roger Koh
www.f.com
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: *paul_moss on April 05, 2008, 09:19:53 pm
Roger has sent all his kits across to me now.
I will give them out on Monday to the people who asked for them. The kits are FREE but there is a tax surcharge to pay to Jason/Pete of £5 on pick up o the kit.
I have had a little play with mine ( the leather scent is great Roger) but I will reserve any comment until I have used the kit extensivley on different leathers.
I understand peoples comments above about system and levels of treatment, but why jump in with  neg comments  ::) when you have not even tried the product or system. Some think that their way is the one and only way :-X
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 05, 2008, 09:25:34 pm
Paul I agree, I'm jus looking for pointers and this system although extensive looks to go through fool proof steps toget an excellent result and hopefull excellent money and bye ek I need it!

Shaun
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: LTT Leathercare on April 05, 2008, 09:26:03 pm
Roger

I understand the principles behind the removal of ink on leather as this applies to most ink removal products but it is the 'science' behind the other products and methods used that interest us.  Please clarify why these processes are required and how they work.

We are constantly updating and renewing product lines and methods as new things come onto the market all the time but the 'scince' has to back up the products and methods.  Would just like to know the technology behind the products.

Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: *paul_moss on April 05, 2008, 09:32:45 pm
Paul I agree, I'm jus looking for pointers and this system although extensive looks to go through fool proof steps toget an excellent result and hopefull excellent money and bye ek I need it!

Shaun

Shaun the kits that Roger has sent have a little booklet with it that explains what to do in each circumstance and for which type of leather/situation.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 05, 2008, 09:39:05 pm
Paul are you trying to say that they are 'idiot proof' or I'm an idiot?

Tut tut and I used to think you were somebody!

Shaun
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Len Gribble on April 05, 2008, 09:41:41 pm
Paul

As you know don’t do leather yet! However have you a spare one?

Len
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: *paul_moss on April 05, 2008, 09:46:43 pm
Len is that a Euphemism   :o
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 05, 2008, 09:55:09 pm
euphemism

I once played the floral dance on it!

Shaun
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Len Gribble on April 05, 2008, 10:29:22 pm
Paul

It could be! ;) Can you make it two just had text msg from a friend (what a cowboy but I like him :-\).

Shaun

So have I :), done ring around the roses and maple dancing, but hopscotch done my head in  ;)

Len
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: *paul_moss on April 05, 2008, 10:33:33 pm
Len only 21 avalible. If one is not picked up by one of the other guys then i will keep it for you.
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: *paul_moss on April 05, 2008, 10:36:46 pm
Paul are you trying to say that they are 'idiot proof' or I'm an idiot?

Tut tut and I used to think you were somebody!

Shaun

Shaun you may not be able to read all the words, but you will be ok as there are pictures to follow  :D
Title: Re: How-To: Remove Ballpoint Ink Stains & Fatliquor-Conditioning Pigmented Leather.
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 05, 2008, 10:43:37 pm
As part of 'rehabilitation' I have my glasses on so I can read fine, but boy you are uglier then I remember!

Shaun the 6 million dustmiteman