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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stuart_clark on April 04, 2008, 09:12:09 am
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This is a message for all the cold water cleaning sceptics on this forum including {Jason Hedges} I cleaned a three bedroom rental propety yesterday in middlesbrough, All the carpets were polyprop and trashed! We had to clean it with stone cold water as there wan't anything else available ! We used M Power and a drop of Craftex Lavender deodouriser in the cold water rinse, the carpets cleaned very well, and we managed to completely remove the very strong stench of cigerette smoke ! no offence meant if you are a smoker !
regards Stu Clark
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Would the result have been just as good with wool or woolmix?I,m not suggesting anything its a genuine question, ???
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Any pics?
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This is 80/20 in Wimbledon i did yesterday ........ couple moving in and gas not on yet so water was freezing ........ black stains all down stairs/landings .............this result was with M Power spray then Pureclean rinse ;D
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Only one answer to your post Stuart.
You stick to cold water and M power ;) !!
I will stick to as hot as the cicumstances will allow.
Geoff
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Did the biz, question answered! We,re all probably going to be in a situation where for some reason hot water isnt an option...it just shows that all isnt lost if it happens and you dont have to necessarily just leave it and go.
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When using eco/green approach ............ cold try first is simpler.
Why use energy to heat water if not needed ......... some of my customers ask that question anyway .......... luckily Pureclean dissolves nicely in cold water :D
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hot water opens fibres so that the soiling/sticky stuff can be removed & the particles move quicker when cleaned with heat, resulting in faster drying times. every system has it place & uses, hot water every time for me. C.C.S.
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Out of interest Chris,
What percentage of your customers would you say?" Ask that question anyway" because to be honest I find it very difficult to believe that customers are so concered about the energy that is going saved by not having the water heated that they would mention it at all. If they were so concered to the point of mentioning it, I cant imagine what they do their everday washing and bathing in :-[
and, do they all ride bikes or walk every where? infact do they eat nothing but raw food and salads? because heating some water up wont make one bit of difference. Perhaps, it just makes them feel better :-\
Geoff
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Geoff
I use anything I can get my hands on , but if there is only cold water comming through the tap, then thats what I have to use, I still use detergents! good god I still have a garage full of them, I have cleaned a three piece suite today, the customer thought she would have a go with her vaperetto first! you can imagne what it looked like, anyway I cleaned that with number 2 MS and hot water rinse! you see Geoff I do use hot water when its available!!!
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you can clean with cold water, but its loads easier to clean carpets with hot water.
Cold water don't disolve tar, grease, blue tac, etc. Hot water does therefore making it easier to clean carpets with hot rather than cold water.
And I mean hot
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Stu,
Nice to know you use hot when you can,
i got the impession you were advocating cold water cleaning , " my apoligies"
would still like to Know your answer Chris , to my earlier question
geoff
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This is a message for all the cold water cleaning sceptics on this forum including {Jason Hedges} I cleaned a three bedroom rental propety yesterday in middlesbrough, All the carpets were polyprop and trashed! We had to clean it with stone cold water as there wan't anything else available ! We used M Power and a drop of Craftex Lavender deodouriser in the cold water rinse, the carpets cleaned very well, and we managed to completely remove the very strong stench of cigerette smoke ! no offence meant if you are a smoker !
regards Stu Clark
Stu, that Craftex Lavender deodouriser is good stuff ;)
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Geoff, I use a Scorpian and as you probably know it dosent have a heater, but it is possible to clean with stone cold water if there isn't any hot available, I have only cleaned using cold water on four occasions in the last three months, and if I can get hot water thats what I use.
Although i have used Chemspecs detergents for many years, I am using M Power and other MS and getting very good results
I am nit sure whether its the power of the scorpian, but when i tried MS with my Ninja I never got the results that I am seeing now
Best regards Stu Clark
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Chris, that Pureclean rinse looks impressive! used with M Power, who makes this product and what is the dilution ratio ?
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Hi Stuart
Pureclean is by Prochem.
Someoone on here was praising it a few months ago so I got some from the sponsors of this site.
On its own I didnt think it was working as well as M-Power / Nemesis Super and so I stopped using it.
Then Chris and Spencer posted they use it in the rinse as a final kick so I started using it again and continue to do so.
Tubs in the van at the moment but it is economical to use so I think I will be getting more to carry on using it in the rinse.
and regard cold water carpet cleaning. Im the same as you, prefer to use hot water if available but when the tap is only cold I have the confidence that M-Power will do its job.
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When using eco/green approach ............ cold try first is simpler.
Why use energy to heat water if not needed ......... some of my customers ask that question anyway .......... luckily Pureclean dissolves nicely in cold water :D
I was born at night, but not last night.
Even caveman knew the value of fire.
ps: all carpets clean faster and better with hot water and certainly dry faster.
Why even pay lip service to second best? give em what they paid for.
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If Doug was not in Paris I think I can safely say he would say this.
Molecules in hot water expand and/becasue they have more energy so they work harder. End of.
don't believe me?
Get a plate with dried egg on it and pour some fairly liquid on half (cold) and some very hot water on the other half (no fairy) and scrub both. Nothing else needs to be said.
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you can clean a carpet to a good standard with cold water, but it takes longer. You have to pre-spray scrub and let it dwell then it will clean up great. This is Ok if you have plenty of time but if your aim is to make money then it pays to clean the carpet as quick as possible ( but still to the highest standard as possible) I can clean a carpet with hot water a lot quicker, which mean I can do more work and earn more money.
But you need the work, no point piling through the job if you haven't another job to go to.
I also hate dragging in the rotory and waiting around for the pre-spray to work, high heat just makes it easier.
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What about the triangle? Chemical, temp, aggitation? If you lack one improve on the other two.
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tact; time, agitation, chemical, temp
if you've plenty of time then use all 4.
but you can work twice as fast with just 2 of them temp & chemical
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you can clean a carpet to a good standard with cold water, but it takes longer. You have to pre-spray scrub and let it dwell then it will clean up great. This is Ok if you have plenty of time but if your aim is to make money then it pays to clean the carpet as quick as possible ( but still to the highest standard as possible) I can clean a carpet with hot water a lot quicker, which mean I can do more work and earn more money.
But you need the work, no point piling through the job if you haven't another job to go to.
I also hate dragging in the rotory and waiting around for the pre-spray to work, high heat just makes it easier.
Exactly mike, its a case of heat , chemical, aggitation and time. If you are short on time ..up the heat ,..if you are short on heat..up the time etc etc !!
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This is where the eco warriors have got it right.
Because it is 'eco/green' it is a bit like organic allowing you to charge double the price. Hence to make the same money as Mike they can sit back & have a fAg/cup of tea while pre-sprays dwell & still be home by 2pm
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which is Ok if you do charge double the price but!!! why not just charge double the price anyhow and still work twice as quick, so them you quadruple your money.
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You must be an accountant as well as a carpet cleaner
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you can clean a carpet to a good standard with cold water, but it takes longer. You have to pre-spray scrub and let it dwell then it will clean up great. This is Ok if you have plenty of time but if your aim is to make money then it pays to clean the carpet as quick as possible ( but still to the highest standard as possible) I can clean a carpet with hot water a lot quicker, which mean I can do more work and earn more money.
But you need the work, no point piling through the job if you haven't another job to go to.
I also hate dragging in the rotory and waiting around for the pre-spray to work, high heat just makes it easier.
Exactly mike, its a case of heat , chemical, aggitation and time. If you are short on time ..up the heat ,..if you are short on heat..up the time etc etc !!
Why did my post show the above post???
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Geoff ......... whether you believe or not .......... i do get asked and probably 3 or 5 times in last month.
At the moment i am doing work for the people who will walk/cycle kids to school, go on holidays where they do not use planes, have solar panels installed etc........
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/house-and-home/property/why-comedian-marcus-brigstocke-spent-163100000-on-an-ecomakeover-772082.html
I have this sort of work and approach asked for on a daily basis ..................... do not have to charge more but have found i have stopped getting priceshoppers ;D
I do have access to hot water but not needed the extra boost it can give ::)
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The old debate of cold water vs hot water is back again then. FACT HOT WATER CLEANS QUICKER, FASTER & BETTER THAN COLD WATER. I am sure that we all know this to be true regardless of what chemical you are using. For myself & many others Pure Clean comes out on top of M POWER. As i have stated many times before, the idea is to use a chemical that will do the job and not be hit n miss on poly prop or wool. I admit that i have not extensivly used M POWER but have used it on occasions and not been overly impressed with it and that was using it with HOT water so i cant see it been much cop with COLD. Each to his own.....this is my view.
Richie.
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yes cleans quicker
but which dries faster? ;) ;) ;D
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Don't think the water, whether HOT or COLD will achieve much without the addition of something, to.................break surface resistance...........emulsify........disolve............
About 10 years ago One Step appeared and was marketed as a cold water cleaner.............I think history has shown it to be successful.
Of course heat, will usually speed up the process, but the posts above are showing you, how you don't have to DEPEND on hot water availability to do a good job.
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This is a message for all the cold water cleaning sceptics on this forum including {Jason Hedges} I cleaned a three bedroom rental propety yesterday in middlesbrough, All the carpets were polyprop and trashed! We had to clean it with stone cold water as there wan't anything else available ! We used M Power and a drop of Craftex Lavender deodouriser in the cold water rinse, the carpets cleaned very well, and we managed to completely remove the very strong stench of cigerette smoke ! no offence meant if you are a smoker !
regards Stu Clark
Hi Stu,
Well done for cleaning a trashed polyprop carpet ;)
Still not sure why you mentioned my name in your post,
I agree most of the posts above that hot cleans quicker and better than cold. However if people have good results with cold who am I to disagree.
I have upgraded in the last 4/5 years from low powered portys through mid and high powered portys to a fairly good truckmounted system and have tried every cleaning method/technique available (as far as i know).
I still use m/s on occasion and have nothing against them.
I have also had great results using cold water (when hot not available) using both m/s & detergents on certain types of carpet & upholstery.
However: Try using cold water on a low profile trashed flatweave/loop-twist in a filthy dirty ex-rental or greasy black-top in a pub/nightclub, then you will realise where heat & the appropriate chemicals come into play.
Great results can be achieved from both hot & cold water I agree, everyone to their own.
My opinion is that hot cleans better and faster than cold...........
Trying not to have a go back but cant understand why my name was mentioned.
All the best,
Jason.
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Chris,
I never said I disbelieved you, Difficult to believe I said, and the question was purley out of interest to find out if their really are people out there who want complete eco , planet saving solutions.
so well done if you are attracting these.
I must be honest though ,and say I bet the vast majority of so called eco friendly custys are burningas much energy as most others,
only my thoughts mind ;)
geoff
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Hi Jason
I picked up on a comment you made earlier in the week about the cold water brigade on the other forum, I think Joe hatton came in to its deffence, silly realy
i cant even remember what the thread was about, A year ago I hated MS ans couldn't get on with them, but in November last year I bought a new Scorpian and although very immpressed with its performance, i found that most detergents foamed up realy bad, I have heard about this a lot lately about high airflow machines, anyway the thats the reason I face persode MS until I found ones that I could work with, I diddn't mean any offence
regards Stu Clark
By the way Jason, what make of triuckmount do you use ?
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Mike has spoken a lot of sense.
There are many different business plans. There are many different values in life. There are many variations in our cleaning armoury.
Modern technology makes it viable to clean and rinse carpets with cold water. It's an option which many porty users (in particular) consider and use effectively when the occasion demands.
High heat is a superb catalyst. On it's own it can make a signicant impact on the proportions within the T.A.C.T./C.H.A.T. pie. It can make the cleaning process faster.
There's more than one way to crack a nut. Chemspec and others now produce solutions suitable for cold water cleaning and rinsing.
I too have achieved stunning results with cold pre-spray and rinse on grease laden polyprop carpets. If heat was available I'd have used it from choice. But for the way I CHOOSE to work (procedurely), the heat wouldn't have made this work speedier.
Safe and happier cleaning :)
Ken
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Hi Jason
I picked up on a comment you made earlier in the week about the cold water brigade on the other forum, I think Joe hatton came in to its deffence, silly realy
i cant even remember what the thread was about, A year ago I hated MS ans couldn't get on with them, but in November last year I bought a new Scorpian and although very immpressed with its performance, i found that most detergents foamed up realy bad, I have heard about this a lot lately about high airflow machines, anyway the thats the reason I face persode MS until I found ones that I could work with, I diddn't mean any offence
regards Stu Clark
By the way Jason, what make of triuckmount do you use ?
Hi Stu,
No offence taken just wondered why i was singled out. Was half expecting a lynch mob at my door this morning ;D.
Everyones opinions differ and what works for some doesn't for others. Its what makes these forums so interesting. You cant beat a good debate.
I did make a joke about another site & cold water but it was said tongue in cheek. I have nothing against either, sorry if it came out wrong and you (or others) though otherwise.
I'm a joker and sometimes I forget people cant see me giggling at my keyboard.
My t/m is a promount 27 from woodbridge :)
All the best mate,
Jason.