Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jikwan on March 26, 2008, 12:12:32 pm
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got to be a millionare to buy a round these days
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/window-cleaning-rounds_W0QQitemZ150228110782QQihZ005QQcategoryZ112579QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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check out his feedback as well!! very trustworthy ;D ;D
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so you got to do it for a year before you make any money and thats if you keep all the work, surely in 10 months you could get a decnt round and then look back and see what you built.
Chris
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so you got to do it for a year before you make any money and thats if you keep all the work, surely in 10 months you could get a decnt round and then look back and see what you built.
Chris
exactly!! ;)
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Also how many people have their windows cleaned bi-weekly? Very very few I would imagine!
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The question that comes into my mind straight away is where did he get the rounds from? If a bloke was selling his round then thats OK I can believe that.
But several rounds, that makes me suspicious. Its easy to get a good rating on ebay you just sell lots of small items cheaply. This guy has only got a small number of transactions. What did he sell to get them?
Also he is inviting any potential buyer to defraud ebay of its proper fee by selling a "business card". In other words the deal will be done off line, this is against ebays rules and they are always warning you not to do it.
Dodgy
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I've just been into his feed back. One feedback says "He is a lying cheating thief"
Thats a good start
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if thats what u get for rounds now im selling up!!!!!!! ;D
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the guy whos selling comes on her often and i dont doubt if its good work he will get it.
people make me laugh you havent thought about any of the most important questions about the work just its to expensive.
What if the work is premium work one man earning £200+ a day is it not worthit then??
i know of and would certainly pay good money for good work well established and ticking the right boxes.
But then if people want to sell there work for twice the clean then its proberly Poor work and only worth that!!
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All this work you here about for sale 2x the take etc,you don`t honestly think it`s good work do you.
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Blimey, Lancashire must be the only part of the UK where the window cleaning bill is more than the mortgage repayments ;D
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90% of my work is fortnightly here in Paisley thats why we fly round them so quick but also thats why the prices arent the greatest either. Darren.
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90% of my work is fortnightly here in Paisley thats why we fly round them so quick but also thats why the prices arent the greatest either. Darren.
I have to say Darren that "flying round so quick" isn't a concept I really can get to grips with:
If you're cleaning a 2 up 2 down (either trad or wfp) then surely the work is the same whether it's done 2 weekly or 2 monthly.
What I mean is, if you're trad then up go the ladders and you clean the window....whether you're cleaning off 2 weeks or 2 months of dirt it's roughly the same (to me anyway)....same goes for wfp....or am i missing a w/cing trick after 4 years on the job?
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You must be wearing a yellow armband and be holding onto a labrador dog if you're mad enough to pay ten times the value of a round regardless of how compact or excellent the round is.
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There is a big difference between 2 weeks and 2 months dirt on windows especially in the summer when there is hardly a mark on them ive only been traditional for 19 years.Been wfp for about a year also thats quicker if you have done the same house fortnightly sometimes its been 5or6 weeks because of the weather and i think it takes longer just my opinion.
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simon keep it quiet but yes you are missing a trick or two. nearly all my domestic is 2 weekly and not to put to fine a point on it,if theyre not dirty when you clean them wfp i mean it s not rocket science to see it s easier, also don t need as many clients so creates a more compact round. cheers mick
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wayne to be honest i think your comment is nothing less than what a 6 year old could come up with.
grow up hey
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simon i have to say alot of the work round me(manchester) is 2 weekly but its £3-£4.50 houses so that makes it no more than £10 a month.
wish my morgage was less than that!!
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wayne to be honest i think your comment is nothing less than what a 6 year old could come up with.
grow up hey
You'd have to have a mental age of 6 to pay 10 times the amount a round is worth. Financially it would pay to go out and canvass. No way in hell would I pay 10 x for a round even if it was £30-50 ph
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wayne to be honest i think your comment is nothing less than what a 6 year old could come up with.
grow up hey
You'd have to have a mental age of 6 to pay 10 times the amount a round is worth. Financially it would pay to go out and canvass. No way in hell would I pay 10 x for a round even if it was £30-50 ph
Wayne work priced between 30-£50 an hour is worth far more than 10x in my opinion.
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here here
people like wayne under sell our business.
Canvassing may come easy to some but i know to most it doesnt so if you can buy a round making £30-£50 per hour(one man)you have quality work that in only 20weeks youll have your money back not many businesses can say that!!
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here here
people like wayne under sell our business.
Canvassing may come easy to some but i know to most it doesnt so if you can buy a round making £30-£50 per hour(one man)you have quality work that in only 20weeks youll have your money back not many businesses can say that!!
I don't undersell window cleaning, ever. I will not pay such a ridiculous amount to buy such work. I would rather go out and canvass day in, day out until I canvassed a whole round worth that much, regardless of how long it took and it certainly wouldn't take 20 weeks to achieve that. That's just laziness. If anyone desperately needs to spend that amount as a sole trader then IMO they are just plain lazy because they should go out and canvass it. If an employer was wanting to buy some work because they had a shortfall of work for an employee that's understandable because they haven't got the time to canvass.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
I pick up more work on rainy days then any other time, regardless of what month of the year it is. Why, because other window cleaners are at home twiddling their thumbs moaning about the weather.
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wayne you should let us in wiv you r secret if you caould canvass and find top quality work in 20 weeks and to be honest top quality work means a relaible customer who pays well doesnt mess about and is loyal(he wants the best service at a good price-not a poor service a t a cheap price) i dont thinks 20 weeks is long enough to judge the quality of the work!!
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Wayne i don`t canvass i have no need to,if you have the work me and Ronnie are on about how have you got time to.
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wayne you should let us in wiv you r secret if you caould canvass and find top quality work in 20 weeks and to be honest top quality work means a relaible customer who pays well doesnt mess about and is loyal(he wants the best service at a good price-not a poor service a t a cheap price) i dont thinks 20 weeks is long enough to judge the quality of the work!!
Target affluent areas. Stay out of council areas. Don't target 'buy to let' areas. Don't bother with 1up 1 down flats. Don't bother with 2 bedroom houses. Keep an eye in the papers which streets are always up for sale. Get in with property developers and housing associations.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
its not hard to get that kind of paying work its the norm mate, i agree that it takes years of dividing the good from the bad, but if you keep building and building all you are left with is good and the usual wasters that don't last very long. thats all about the weeding out process I would never pay 10 times unless it was com work in the £100+ per hour and paperwork to prove. for that amount of money i could easily achieve as good work if not better building it on my own!! and the monthly turn over would be far greater!!
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Wayne i don`t canvass i have no need to,if you have the work me and Ronnie are on about how have you got time to.
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I don't have the time either. My round is full. I make a point of replacing every lost one with a better paying one.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
its not hard to get that kind of paying work its the norm mate, i agree that it takes years of dividing the good from the bad, but if you keep building and building all you are left with is good and the usual wasters that don't last very long. thats all about the weeding out process I would never pay 10 times unless it was com work in the £100+ per hour and paperwork to prove. for that amount of money i could easily achieve as good work if not better building it on my own!! and the monthly turn over would be far greater!!
Maybe but like you said it can`t be done overnight even with people doorknocking your going to get some rubbish,with buying it it`s there from day one and you`ll earn it back in no time.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
its not hard to get that kind of paying work its the norm mate, i agree that it takes years of dividing the good from the bad, but if you keep building and building all you are left with is good and the usual wasters that don't last very long. thats all about the weeding out process I would never pay 10 times unless it was com work in the £100+ per hour and paperwork to prove. for that amount of money i could easily achieve as good work if not better building it on my own!! and the monthly turn over would be far greater!!
Maybe but like you said it can`t be done overnight even with people doorknocking your going to get some rubbish,with buying it it`s there from day one and you`ll earn it back in no time.
I agree with the quality of work being there. I just don't agree about paying such large sums unless you're desperate for work.
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If i sold my business someone would be making an investment,they wouldn`t be desparate.
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Wayne do you know how hard it is to get work at 30-£50 an hour,it takes years of graft and clever sifting out of rubbish work allowing time to do the cream.No way could you go out and canvass that kind of work when it happens to be raining one day mate,where talking quality work.
its not hard to get that kind of paying work its the norm mate, i agree that it takes years of dividing the good from the bad, but if you keep building and building all you are left with is good and the usual wasters that don't last very long. thats all about the weeding out process I would never pay 10 times unless it was com work in the £100+ per hour and paperwork to prove. for that amount of money i could easily achieve as good work if not better building it on my own!! and the monthly turn over would be far greater!!
Maybe but like you said it can`t be done overnight even with people doorknocking your going to get some rubbish,with buying it it`s there from day one and you`ll earn it back in no time.
not 10 times the amount though, say the work was worth 1k a month, if the asking price was 10k i could easily get together a round paying a grand in 2 weeks, then by adding over a period of say 20 weeks i would have a very stable round worth 5k that will be achieveing £40-£50 plus an hour. i find with all new work you will hold onto 50% long term and i'm talking well paying customers running over the 12 month point. for 10k i would build a much more lucrative round than a grand!! more effort but not much compared to the rewards!!
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nat seriously if its that easy do you fancy doing some canvassing for me??
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nat seriously if its that easy do you fancy doing some canvassing for me??
lol if it was easy we wouldn`t have so many people questioning what could be earn`t and why there not earning it.
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it is as easy as that ronnie and thanks for the offer but i'm sorted mate cheers!!!! ;D ;D
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90% of my work is fortnightly here in Paisley thats why we fly round them so quick but also thats why the prices arent the greatest either. Darren.
Why dont you (and anyone else who cleans fortnightly) change the call frequency from 2 to 4 weekly?
If you are charging £3.50 a fortnight (£1.75 a week) keep the rate at £1.75 a week but call every 4 weeks and charge £7.00. From what ive learnt on here it wont take any longer to clean on a 4 week cycle as it does on a 2 week cycle.
Or am I talking nonsense???
Mark
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Mark
If the customer wants 2 weeks, they want 2 weeks.
Dave
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Mark
If the customer wants 2 weeks, they want 2 weeks.
Dave
But the customer who wants every 2 weeks is costing you money IMO, surely all these 2 weekly customers havent requested 2 weeks.
Is it not a case of "well thats how its always been done"?
Mark
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Mark
If the customer wants 2 weeks, they want 2 weeks.
Dave
I have never encountered a customer who wants two weeks, even four weeks is rare although I have a few.
I am a firm believer in the principle you clean less often but charge more. It works for me.
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Ive got just over 300 houses within a mile radius about 60 of them is 1 bed flats sheltered housing oaps everybody is more than happy with 2 weeks so why change it also if i said iam only comming round once a month and going to charge you double they would string me up especially the oaps.
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Two things have always puzzled me when I read posts like this one; why do you buy work, i.e. a round people selling something often means its not very good in the first place, and secondly, why do you buy an expensive franchise to basically still be working for somebody else, i.e paying for the work again?
Surely the easist and simplest way of doing things is to go out and get your own work. Pick the properties you want to clean, by either dropping in a decent looking leaflet, or even knocking at the persons door.
I know of other w/c's who have bought rounds and then lost the goodwill of the customers for all sorts of reasons, and of others who bang on about how great one of their franchises are, and then clean houses for stupid prices. If their franchise is built around that pricing strategy, you will be collecting your old age pension before you begin to ever see a decent return.
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2 weekly is the mainstay of a lot of terrace and council areas in the North, A lot of these people are houseproud and want clean windows.
If a bird messes there windows then they only have to wait 2 weeks max and not 4 before the window cleaner comes around.
Why dont i just apply the same principle to my shop round, instead of doing them every week, i will offer monthly at 4 times the price, They would just say on your bike.
As for buying a round, it used to be the only way to get your foot in the door, most window cleaners were local and had probably all the houses in a 1 mile radius from his house, so the only way of getting the work was to buy it.
I guess it was a bit differeny in Rural and more affluent areas.
Kentish
I could sell you a round where you could earn £1000 a week , top notch work as well for a relatively low price, what would that be worth £10-£15'000 with a good resale value when you come to sell it.
How long would it take you to knock £1000 worth a week and how far apart and how good are those jobs.
If you want a wage from day 1, then buying a round is the way to go.
If you have some savings to live on or got someone to support you (wife or the dole) then building your own round could be the way to do it.
I know with my living expenses approx £2000 a month, i couldnt afford time to build my own round from scratch.
Dave
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Why dont i just apply the same principle to my shop round, instead of doing them every week, i will offer monthly at 4 times the price, They would just say on your bike.
Dave
Because shops are totally different to houses, a shop window needs cleaning to dispaly its wares, or to maintain the correct brand image.
And on a 4 weeky price its not going up the price is exactly the same, in fact you could actually drop the weekly cleaning price to bring customes on board to your way of working. Ive never met many customers who dont want to save money.
Mr Morris, I obviously bow to your many years of experience, but i thought the idea was to make money, surely there must be a compromise. There arent many smokey smog ridden towns up here any more.
£6 a month is more profitable than £3.50 a fortnight, UNLESS you dont want to go out and get new workIve got just over 300 houses within a mile radius about 60 of them is 1 bed flats sheltered housing oaps everybody is more than happy with 2 weeks so why change it also if i said iam only comming round once a month and going to charge you double they would string me up especially the oaps.
And how would they feel if you said i call every 4 weeks now, but it works out cheaper than your paying at the moment?
Mark
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Davo i no what your saying but then i will have to find more work, at the moment i do about 3 days window cleaning 3 days carpet cleaning sometimes half day windows then carpets in the afternoon depends how many carpet jobs i book in the week.The way i see it if its not broke dont fix it.
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Davo i no what your saying but then i will have to find more work, at the moment i do about 3 days window cleaning 3 days carpet cleaning sometimes half day windows then carpets in the afternoon depends how many carpet jobs i book in the week.The way i see it if its not broke dont fix it.
I understand your circumstances, and whats right for one isnt necessarily right for another. If you were window cleaning full time would you consider changing the call frequencey?
Mark
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I doubt it only been carpet cleaning for 3 years before that was full time window cleaning the way my run is its nice and compact and fortnightly suits it.
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Does anyone do just 6 wkly? I'm getting more and more peeps asking for that rather than 4 wkly.
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Does anyone do just 6 wkly? I'm getting more and more peeps asking for that rather than 4 wkly.
Yes. 6 weekly is my norm. It has been for years. I found that when I switched from monthly to 6 weekly, it vastly reduced the "not todays". Occasionally 12 weekly, but only for larger jobs over a certain value.
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the guy whos selling comes on her often and i dont doubt if its good work he will get it.
people make me laugh you havent thought about any of the most important questions about the work just its to expensive.
What if the work is premium work one man earning £200+ a day is it not worthit then??
i know of and would certainly pay good money for good work well established and ticking the right boxes.
But then if people want to sell there work for twice the clean then its proberly Poor work and only worth that!!
yes he does come on here and only last year he said he was selling his rounds so he can consentrate on his building business becase as he said the building industry was picking up and he had some major building contracts approved.
and yet he is and always has been selling window cleaning rounds which he buys cheaply and sells at a premium.
has has never worked any of these rounds for more than 6 months but tries to make out he has done them for years.
my mate has just bought a round in warrington and irlam from a window cleaner who has been doing it for 15 years and actually went with him and let him pick all the customers out randomly and ask them for himself.
he paid 14K for £4,500 of monthly work and has now been doing it for about 7 months and is very satisfied and has now taken on his brother as he is also picking up work through recommendation.
there are genuine window cleaners out there who sell genuine rounds for genuine reasons, so why buy from some wide boy at over inflated prices for work that he doesn't even know the customers
they do say the biggest market is the gullable market
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it wasnt ronnie who was selling to build .. that was platinum
i doubt ronnie is selling work he has lads working for him
sean
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it wasnt ronnie who was selling to build .. that was platinum
i doubt ronnie is selling work he has lads working for him
sean
I never said it was Ronnie