Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dan roberts on March 20, 2008, 11:56:31 pm
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Is there a rule of thumb with these grey marks over the threshold of doors? Is it just prespray and handbrushing that removes these bad boys? Then extract with hand tool?
Dan
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Thorough vacuum with extension hose to remove dry soil/dust firstly. Then over apply prespray to marks let dwell and scrub with hand brush being carefull not to damage pile (especially with wool/wool mixes). Flush with hand / upholstery tool repeatedly until no more.
For more stubborn marks you could use prochems ultrapac renovate or filter out, 2 products designed for the very job.
All the best,
Jason.
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Thanks Jason
Dan
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No worries mate,
Hope advice helps.
All the best,
Jas.
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Don’t forget to advise customer it will be back!
Len
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if using ultrapac renovate or filter out, make sure you rinse thoroughly with fabric and fibe rinse.
Mark
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You could try adding some oxibrite to the above but be careful and rinse out.
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Of course, it is ok attempting to clean a draft mark from a carpet but if you don't rectify the fundamental problem it will return. The carpet requires lifting, floor boards/cause of draft sealed etc and carpet refitted. I take it experienced carpet cleaners can do remedial carpet repair work??
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Valid points but doesn't rectify the problem of door thresholds, especially airing cupboards. These are caused by thermal currents from room to room.
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Of course, it is ok attempting to clean a draft mark from a carpet but if you don't rectify the fundamental problem it will return. The carpet requires lifting, floor boards/cause of draft sealed etc and carpet refitted. I take it experienced carpet cleaners can do remedial carpet repair work??
Something for next years CCDO perhaps? Any thoughts on this subject being covered?
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Pete,
No disrespect to anyone involved, but if people who call themselves professional carpet cleaners don't know how to get draft marks out of carpets, should they really be in this business in the first place?
I mean it's a bit like going to your doctor and him saying he doesn't know how to treat an ingrowing toe nail!!!
Simon
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Pete,
No disrespect to anyone involved, but if people who call themselves professional carpet cleaners don't know how to get draft marks out of carpets, should they really be in this business in the first place?
I mean it's a bit like going to your doctor and him saying he doesn't know how to treat an ingrowing toe nail!!!
Simon
Simon, Pete was talking about remedial carpet repairs and not cleaning draft marks :)
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Sorry, my mistake.
Phew, I thought he was seriously contemplating running a demo on how to remove draft marks!
This does though bring out the need for someone to run a Practical Carpet Cleaning Course because reading between the lines lots of people could really benefit from one. Although most courses cover the theoretical elements of carpet cleaning they rarely teach you HOW to clean carpets and hence the question that started this topic. For as much as you are only as good as you know your basics, you are also only as good as you apply those basics.
Draft mark removal, stain removal, wand technique etc etc are all learned skills that are clearly not being taught on today's courses, or is it the case that people are STILL coming into this business without so much as a minutes training! Surely not!
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You have a valid point there Simon and the CCDO will develop to cover such things and whilst there is a strict agenda attached to the event there is also a more informal side where specifics such as wand technique can be discussed whether that be on the day or at the hotel the night before.
Jason and I have already discussed some subject matter for next years event and it will continue to cover subjects that are not taught on the standard courses but this really is matter for those attending to voice what they would like to learn then Jason and I's job will be to facilitate that if possible.
And yes Simon, I do know how to remove draught marks but no offence taken, you simply mis-read my post.
Pete
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Hi Guys
If anyone has some draught marked carpet please bring it along to the CCDO, I will attempt to demonstrate something interesting .
Cheers
Doug
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Pete,
Just to be clear my comments were not directed at you and I was not suggesting that you didn't know how to remove draft marks. My comments were directed more in the direction of those who don't know how to remove draft marks but I mistakenly read your reply as though you were intending to have it as a subject matter at a future CCDO when clearly you were referring to remedial work.
Once again, my apologies.
Simon
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Simon
Yes I see, it seems I mis-read your post too. Apologies from my end as well.
Pete
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Got some bad ones off stairs recently .......... first swipe with RX spotter ........... easier than Eco Spotter but did take more rinsing out ;D
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Nice job Chris,
Should really be thinking more green ::).
Looking forward to getting some tips at the ccdo :)
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Nigel has a bit on this subject on his site http://www.designcare.co.uk/new_page_4.htm it has help me in the past to quantify their problem but stump on Thermal behaviours and stability of room to room temperature (keep doors open perhaps :D)
Chris
Nice job, did you advise! I WILL BE BACK! (Arnold Schwarzenegger) OK BOTH OF YOU. ;D ;)
Len
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Never promise full removal as they come through from back and our job is to clean without soaking backing :o
When it does all come out it makes you look like a superhero .......................Captain Straker to the rescue ;D
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anybody use them one jet edgeing tools ?? if so are they any good
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Yer A&M did an offer last year and I got one, Only used it a few times but it comes in handy.
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Just started using Filter Out and impressed with that so far.
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If these draught marks are on the stairs it looks like the draught is blowing through the pins of the gripper. At a guess, the underlay pads should have been changed at the time of fit as it is probably worn and powdery (the sign of knackered rubber underlay). This is being blown through the pin holes as you can clearly see on the markings.
Due to this, I would not have cleaned this carpet as the problem will recurr. The cause of action here should have been...
a) lift carpet
b) check and rectify where draught is coming from (stair boards fitted incorrectly)
c) check and replace underlay pads if required
d) refit carpet
e) clean carpet
Job done and you have solved the problem......by just cleaning this Chris as you have done you will no doubt be getting another phone call in 6 months saying the marks have returned.
Cheers, :) :)
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Hey, carpet Man. would you mind emailing me your contact details. I would like to ask you something.
pete@oakleafcc.co.uk
Cheers
Pete
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You have mail Pete :)
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I do not think there is anything wrong with asking how to remove draft marks
On courses these subjects are often carried out in aprox 1 minute
Even Carpet Cleaners with 40 years experience had to start somewhere
Perhaps Carpet Cleaners should go on a carpet fitting course but like spot and stain removal most customers are not prepared to pay for rectification work
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Ian,
You're right, there is nothing wrong with the guy asking, fair do's to him for that, but considering that draft marks are practically a daily occurrence, isn't it just a little bit astonishing that he doesn't KNOW how to remove draft marks.
Draft mark removal is hardly an advanced application, indeed it is one of the most basic applications and I don't believe we should be making excuses for people not knowing their job.
While many of the advanced skills in carpet cleaning are learned through experience, draft mark removal surely is one of the tools you should have in your box right the the outset.
Simon
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Reading this above blokes comments through all threads makes me cringe, what a numptyb#r!!
If you have something to say that would help then do so, instead of ranting on in your pathetic pompous way that you do Simon Gerrard.
Dan
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Dan,
Sorry.
I didn't realise that I had to say things that were pleasing to you. As far as I am aware I am as entitled to express my opinion as you are, this is after all a public forum in which people openly exchange views and experiences. I don't ask you, or anyone else for that matter to agree with me, indeed I quite welcome the views of people who disagree with me, as long as they are prepared to stand up and be counted and express themselves properly, instead of stooping to hurling cheap insults.
I might well be a pompous old fool, a dickhead, a numpty and anything else you care to throw at me, but at least I am prepared to stand up and say what I think, are you?
Simon
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Another cause of draught marks is burning candles.
I have been to many houses where candle burning has caused excessive marks upstairs around edges of carpets, bad blackening on the uprisers of stairs and downstairs where curtains touch the carpet and leave a wavey line where the curtain hangs when closed.
The custy is not usually what has caused the problem.
John
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I read your threads and in my head is the voice of the Inland Revenue Adverts "tax needn't be taxing" bloke. You are a bore Simon Gerrard.
I dont want to hear your ramblings on at all, I have seen your posts and they are all pompous, stuck up, and not really of any use to anyone, other than you, who seems to like the sound of his own keyboard tapping away droning on about how he was the first to ever clean carpets in th U.K etc.
This forum is about helping eachother and having a giggle.
For example, look at the first few replies to my origianl question and you will see genuine, un assuming replies, not the 'i've got other issues in my life that need resolving so i'm going to vent them on this site' replies you gave, and give to all cc's on here.
Give it a rest Simon.
Dan
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Sorry, Dan. Are you saying that I can't express a view, or do I have to clear my views in advance with you, just in case you might not agree?
I have merely expressed a view, to which you disagree, but unlike you I have never been rude or offence to anyone, including yourself and it would be really nice if you too could observe that most basic courtesy.
Simon
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Sorry Simon, you obviously arent reading my replies fully, otherwise you'd of guessed that I dont want replies from you, I thought i'd made that clear, I dont care waht you reply to in other threads, just dont reply to mine.
Thank you.
Dan
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Dan,
Nothing would give me greater pleasure!
Good bye.
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Dan
Please forgive me I have taken out your last remark.
Although i support the right to ask questions I also support the right of people saying perhaps you could do a bit more studying.
Simond has always been forthright in his opinions and is one of the most sucessul carpet cleaners in the UK
I do not mean it as insult or put down, But not being the World Leading Expert on Carpet Cleaning means I constantly look at my manuals read books visit other Forums look at chemical specifications what they are designed to do etc
regards
IAN
moderator
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I notice that people on here that slag others off never seem to have contact details on profile?
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Dave,
I wonder why!
Mind you, if I was in the business of insulting people just because they hold an opposite view to my own then I'd probably hide my face from view, just out the shame of it.
Simon
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John M
Also paraffin heater (yes they are still used) and coal fires causes the same problem but quicker, think it called Convection
Perhaps some should go on an ff course or phone John Kelly only joking boys. ;)
Dan
Chemspec pog works make sure you rinse well
Len
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Thanks Len, all positive replies are always welcomed.
Dan
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Dan
Remedial is one thing cure is another; told a customer after they’re moaning it’s back! What did I advise you? Blank silence.
By the way don’t use directly pre spay first, then you know that. ;)
Len