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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: frames to panes on March 19, 2008, 04:20:14 pm
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I'm thinking of providing a quality service and offering to clean conservatories for up to £500 a time. This would then enable me to cut my working week conciderably what do you guys think, is it a good business proposition? Would it be enough? Should i go for six hours a week (greedy).
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If you could get £500 i would go for it.
I get good money for conservatories but not that much.
I got one tomorrow just aswell really as they forcast rain.
paul
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Thats almost £167p/h.If you live in an area where someone will pay that sort of money then i'm moving near you.
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How do you think you will get that amount of money for cleaning one of them.The only way would be to clean all blinds as well but this has to be done by ultra sonic as i have a mate who keeps on at me to start it up he has hillarys blinds on the iow.
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JDW i think you have trouble grasping basic concepts, and dont think personally you have the skills required to obtain those sort of prices for conservatory cleans.
But good luck anyway.
Mark
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Dead simple really you just sell it as a specialised product. When the neighbours see how good i am they will be queing up for my services. You need to forget about charging normal windowcleaners rates and present it as a special service that nobody else can do. I've done it i'm good at it. I have to reduce the number i do a week to avoid vat and supertax. This is why i will probably limit myself to six hours a week.
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It doesn't take £500 to clean a conservatory.
No-one's going to pay that, when it's going to look dirty again in 6 months.
I done some in the past that have been very thorough, inside, outside, roof, plastics...etc... and taken a couple of hours, and got £60 or 70 which is not bad money.
No-one's going to pay 8 or 9 times that amount. ???
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DJW so you are getting £500 a clean now.
If so you advertising yourself just as a conservatory cleaning company.
And what are they getting for there £500 clean.
Paul
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And to think that you have to have constant work. No way!!
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How do you think you will get that amount of money for cleaning one of them.The only way would be to clean all blinds as well but this has to be done by ultra sonic as i have a mate who keeps on at me to start it up he has hillarys blinds on the iow.
my mate had a business with all the ultrasonic equipment for blinds. don't do it. not much money to be made in it at all. blinds are so cheap now.
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not all are £500 - some i only get £450 for but then some are much bigger.
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£450 would be nice but for me i am in the south so should get quite a bit for this type of work but i doubt i would get that sort of money.
Or maybe im just selling myself short
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Never heard of £500 for a cons clean. I just cant see people paying it and if 1 did then it wont be regular work.
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How does £100-£250 sound for the same job or wouldnt you work for that sort of money??
Mark
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http://www.fargil.co.uk/welcome.html
Already being done. They are a different company to me though. It's all about how you perceive yourself and selling yourself to the customer. Trust me it works, proper uniform with my logo and i offer them a five star service.
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LOL......youve jumped your prices up a bit, good better than the £20 you were previously charging.
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........i charged £20! Took me ages, then she tells me she pays£30 just to have her hair set!
Mark
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Looking at the link you have given ,do you offer all the same services?
I have thought of putting alot of effort into conservatories but i feel i can make better money window cleaning without the hassel.I have done my fair share of them inside and out. When you think about it people pay 10k upwards for one so why get away paying a cheap clean price but being real most people have'nt got the money and just get a jet washer out
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I'm thinking of providing a quality service and offering to clean conservatories for up to £500 a time. This would then enable me to cut my working week conciderably what do you guys think, is it a good business proposition? Would it be enough? Should i go for six hours a week (greedy).
if you can get that price fair play on you, but I am guessing these will all be one-off jobs, I would do it alongside window cleaning.
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LOL......youve jumped your prices up a bit, good better than the £20 you were previously charging.
Quote JDW
........i charged £20! Took me ages, then she tells me she pays£30 just to have her hair set!
Mark
that was a year ago, since then i have been in negotiations with one of the countries top marketing salesmen.
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LOL....DJW you need to get over it and move on with your life....and why arent you out knocking??
Mark
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Personally I don't think there is any need for this post.
DJW you are stringing people along on a none constructive topic that is designed to provoke another member. I think an apology to all the members who have taken the time to reply would be appropriate.
Wayne
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Personally I don't think there is any need for this post.
DJW you are stringing people along on a none constructive topic that is designed to provoke another member. I think an apology to all the members who have taken the time to reply would be appropriate.
Wayne
Nobody really thought the post was genuine did they?
Chill out and have a laugh at it ::)
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I'm thinking of cleaning people's shoes for £75.
Would this work?
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If you marketed it the right way i reckon you would get around that figure but it would be down to marketing and advertising,if you sell it as a specialised job and look the part you`ll get that price.If you do a good job and by that i mean get it looking like new people will see it as money well spent,how many home owners do you know that are prepared to clamber around on there conservatory roof with a brush,not many.It`s a joke some WC`s doing con roofs for £20-£30,for top money you need to sell it to the customer as a job in itself and not just an add on when your doing the window`s,i always say i`ll have to come back and do it another day,if they see you whipping your brush over it in 20 mins your never going to get top money for doing em.
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I'm thinking of providing a quality service and offering to clean conservatories for up to £500 a time. This would then enable me to cut my working week conciderably what do you guys think, is it a good business proposition? Would it be enough? Should i go for six hours a week (greedy).
£500? I take it you're talking about Kew Garden sized Conservatories?
I did a con today...top, sides and the ins (but not the ins top)....1/2 hr £15...cheers!
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How does £100-£250 sound for the same job or wouldnt you work for that sort of money??
Mark
Mmm £250 i don't think so i can't see me working nine hours a week.
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I'm thinking of cleaning people's shoes for £75.
Would this work?
About right for Jake the peg ...
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He's having a laugh :D
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Dave, dave, dave, dave, dave ::)
You'll never learn, you're selling yourself way, way too cheap. you'll only regret it charging so little & hate doing the work. 1500 quid for 3 days work :o I wouldn't get out of my pit for that dude! Customers will be suspicious of you only charging 500 quid a pop.
It's people like you who are driving prices down in our trade, have some confidence man & up your rate big time & soon. ::)
Tony
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Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Tony, it's alright for people like you to laugh! Your the kind of sloppy windowcleaner who lives in the past charging rock bottom prices the same as the other cleaners in your area. You really need to wake up and smell the coffee! This is a quality service i'm talking about here not your bog-standard window sloshing. Premium service for premium rates.
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Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
In no way was that aimed at you dude :-* & i do agree with you, BUT, it would be hard work marketing & low volume for the majority of us. ;)
Tony
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Tony, it's alright for people like you to laugh! Your the kind of sloppy windowcleaner who lives in the past charging rock bottom prices the same as the other cleaners in your area. You really need to wake up and smell the coffee! This is a quality service i'm talking about here not your bog-standard window sloshing. Premium service for premium rates.
How very, very dare you! me & my mother have been using this forum for 20 years & you have the cheek to insinuate i don't charge enough :o
I work all week for 23 pounds sterling i'll have you know!
How very dare you, com'on Leanord. :-*
Tony
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Guys and DJW dont take knocks out of people, we all earn what we need, some more than others granted, this posts title is a wind up to many hard working window cleaners true or false may it be.
try and be nice guys and dont rise to it others ;)
Ian
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Mac Mac DJW was charging £20 to clean a conservatory including the roof, if he didnt want an opinion on the price he charges then he shouldnt have posted the information.
He can charge whatever he wants but by his own addmission he's struggling. He can keep on struggling for me it makes no difference.
I wish him well though.
Mark
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http://www.fargil.co.uk/welcome.html
Already being done. They are a different company to me though. It's all about how you perceive yourself and selling yourself to the customer. Trust me it works, proper uniform with my logo and i offer them a five star service.
Would that uniform be a mask and striped jumper?
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£500 YOUR HAVING A LAUGH
Come on talk sence man !!!
If someone quoted me £500 to clean my cons.........Id deck him where he stood !!
Absolute clap trap !!
marcus...
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It's month's rent on some houses. ;D
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only need 12 then for rent and thats a result, cant see anyone paying that with a normal conservatory, but I guess the ones that are the same size as my house maybe a different story
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Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ive had a long day, 13 hours working hard
have i missed a joke here, are you reffering to me ? ? ? why am i mentioned ? ?? ?
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I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!! £680 + vat
Says inside and out, 2 days :o
Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!
Putting my prices up...lol
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Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ive had a long day, 13 hours working hard
have i missed a joke here, are you reffering to me ? ? ? why am i mentioned ? ?? ?
Matt the bloke off of rogue traders,that`s his name lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!! £680 + vat
Says inside and out, 2 days :o
Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!
Putting my prices up...lol
Who are fargil.
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Tony before you have a go at me i wasn`t saying that`s what i charge,i was saying that i wouldn`t be surprised if some got that sort of price for a good sized conservatory.I`d be to worried about Matt alright walking round the corner on me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ive had a long day, 13 hours working hard
have i missed a joke here, are you reffering to me ? ? ? why am i mentioned ? ?? ?
Matt the bloke off of rogue traders,that`s his name lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D its been a long day, i was puzzled why i was mentioned
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www.fargil.co.uk
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Guys and DJW dont take knocks out of people, we all earn what we need, some more than others granted, this posts title is a wind up to many hard working window cleaners true or false may it be.
try and be nice guys and dont rise to it others ;)
Ian
Windowsloshers, yes the title is taking the p. But look at that website - what's the difference between you and them? Different logo? oh they probably have a hoover to whip over the blinds and a pump up sprayer for the magic water repellant. When i clean a conservatory it comes up as new - same as theirs.
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Mac Mac DJW was charging £20 to clean a conservatory including the roof, if he didnt want an opinion on the price he charges then he shouldnt have posted the information.
He can charge whatever he wants but by his own addmission he's struggling. He can keep on struggling for me it makes no difference.
I wish him well though.
Mark
Who charges £20 for roof and conservatory? not me pal. I did a small roof a long time ago for £20 and the customer complained it was a lot of money. I posted that as an example of how some customers have different values.
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I built my own conservatory two years ago,when cleaning them for others i do see alot that could be done with them .Mainly silicon which is'nt hard if your good with a gun and if your realy into it the blinds .Our blinds cost us £1000 they don't come cheep for conservatoies (fitted).So if to clean these as well then polish all frame work back to white, Yes you could charge alot more,,,,me i like cleaning windows no hassel ;D ;D
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Guys and DJW dont take knocks out of people, we all earn what we need, some more than others granted, this posts title is a wind up to many hard working window cleaners true or false may it be.
try and be nice guys and dont rise to it others ;)
Ian
Windowsloshers, yes the title is taking the p. But look at that website - what's the difference between you and them? Different logo? oh they probably have a hoover to whip over the blinds and a pump up sprayer for the magic water repellant. When i clean a conservatory it comes up as new - same as theirs.
Kerching!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not much difference is there. So if they charge that sort of money whats to say you cant charge more than the normal window cleaning rate.
Say £100-£250 a clean, you'd need to smarten yourself up a bit and look professional and stuff, but you probably already knew that. Oh and you would need to talk more sense to the customer than you are talking at the moment on here.
Mark
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I phoned that fargil posing as a customer.....Charges by the DAY!!! £680 + vat
Says inside and out, 2 days Shocked
Said it costs him £70k to kit out one of his vans!!!
Putting my prices up...lol
Christ im changing my job ;D
He must have the gold plated conservatory ladder.
if it cost that to kit his van out
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What a superb thread....... so much sarcasm & I love sarcasm..... what a scream ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
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hi djw,great post thats why i like this forum it makes me howl with laughter sometimes.whether he means it or not it s up to people reading it to form an opinion.i ve been around the block enough times to see it nearly as it is. cheers mick
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Who cleans sandbanks there cons must fetch 1000k per clean
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OK lets start this off on a sensible note and see how far we get. If you charged £10 you would get every job you quoted for.
At £20 say 98% would accept your quote. So if you go up in price by increments of £10 at a time you would still get takers but progressively less as the price goes up.
Finally, for arguements sake we say that at £500 you get 1% take up but you waste a huge amount of time quoting for jobs you don't get. So your actual profit is zilch.
Allowing that time is money, advertising is expensive. Just where exactly does the profitability hit maximum?
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Opitimisation of work volume against price for maximum returns?
Working yesterday a neighbour asked me how much to unblock and clean guttters on her three storey house front and back, where birds had nested and water overflowed when it rained. Thw other neigbour used to do it foe nothing but he moved.
"as you're working here how much to just nip up on your ladder and clean it?"
I quoted £20. She shot off like I'd just thrown salt on a slug.
"What just to nip up there...? Twenty pounds?"
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OK lets start this off on a sensible note and see how far we get. If you charged £10 you would get every job you quoted for.
At £20 say 98% would accept your quote. So if you go up in price by increments of £10 at a time you would still get takers but progressively less as the price goes up.
Finally, for arguements sake we say that at £500 you get 1% take up but you waste a huge amount of time quoting for jobs you don't get. So your actual profit is zilch.
Allowing that time is money, advertising is expensive. Just where exactly does the profitability hit maximum?
Vince your reasoning is nearly correct however consider that as the price point moves upward then value needs to be added to the service to justify the higher price in order to maximise the uptake for your service. Value can be lots of different things, and some add more value than others.
ie we wash your frames as well as the windows, we will give you a rain guarantee, if your not 100% satisfied we will come back straight away to put things right. All these "standards" alter the customers perception of what represents value for their money.
Its getting the balance right thats the hard bit. And for those that already know this im sorry to bore you with repetition.
Mark
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Opitimisation of work volume against price for maximum returns?
Working yesterday a neighbour asked me how much to unblock and clean guttters on her three storey house front and back, where birds had nested and water overflowed when it rained. Thw other neigbour used to do it foe nothing but he moved.
"as you're working here how much to just nip up on your ladder and clean it?"
I quoted £20. She shot off like I'd just thrown salt on a slug.
"What just to nip up there...? Twenty pounds?"
the key for me here would be 3 storey house
personally for 20 quid i wouldnt take the risk of my life off ladders, just not worth it
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Absolutely right, this is what i have been saying all night. It took me a while to realise this and then it sunk in. Have a look at that conservatory site again. They are giving the illusion of offering a grand service. They offer several options to upgrade the clean to a higher level. Although in reality it's a load of old hogwash. Quick squirt about with a silicone gun to "repair" your roof. Another squirt of upvc cleaner to "restore" the lustre of your pride and joy. To top it all a quick spray of water repelling agent so your windows will stay cleaner longer. Not forgetting of course the whole unit is bathed in pure water. (look at the price of this stuff in the supermarket). All these things you wrap up in a package to sell to the customer.
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If you marketed it the right way i reckon you would get around that figure but it would be down to marketing and advertising,if you sell it as a specialised job and look the part you`ll get that price.If you do a good job and by that i mean get it looking like new people will see it as money well spent,how many home owners do you know that are prepared to clamber around on there conservatory roof with a brush,not many.It`s a joke some WC`s doing con roofs for £20-£30,for top money you need to sell it to the customer as a job in itself and not just an add on when your doing the window`s,i always say i`ll have to come back and do it another day,if they see you whipping your brush over it in 20 mins your never going to get top money for doing em.
I agree partly with you NWH on not selling yourself short on conservatory cleans. I also make a point of booking the conservatory jobs in as wet weather jobs for a rainy day. Good luck to DJW if he can get £500 for these jobs. No way will they pay that kind of money in the West country. Even the millionaires/celebrities I do won't pay that kind of money. The celebrities make me laugh because they stay rich by trying to get the best possible price for everything possible, just because they're famous and are on the telly every week, lol. I treat them all the same as my normal customers, no favourtism and all equal in my eyes.
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Absolutely right, this is what i have been saying all night. It took me a while to realise this and then it sunk in. Have a look at that conservatory site again. They are giving the illusion of offering a grand service. They offer several options to upgrade the clean to a higher level. Although in reality it's a load of old hogwash. Quick squirt about with a silicone gun to "repair" your roof. Another squirt of upvc cleaner to "restore" the lustre of your pride and joy. To top it all a quick spray of water repelling agent so your windows will stay cleaner longer. Not forgetting of course the whole unit is bathed in pure water. (look at the price of this stuff in the supermarket). All these things you wrap up in a package to sell to the customer.
Bloody hell i smiled at my pc then. They package it up to justify their high price, you can do the same to varying degrees.
Good luck DJW
Mark
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DJW, are you just trying to wind people up?
If there are people out there willing to clean the same conservatory for £50, that you are charging £500 for, you will end up being reported to trading standards. Not to mentioned becoming a laughing stock!!
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ATTENTION ALL djw is not getting £500 for conservatory cleans ......this thread is pure sarcasm directed mainly at davo,i think his point was to see how many people on here thought that they might be able to get that sort of money for the job,not many judging by replies.personally i always make a higher hourly rate on cons cleans and fascias and i try to stack em for rainy days ,i can see the point in all this added value business but it will only take you so far,especially in the current economic climate,imo people happy to pay £500 to get their conservatory cleaned would have to spend several hours locked in a room with a salesman first
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This has to be the biggest lot of drivel ever on this forum.
£500 to clean a conservatory?
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LJ, close :) not really a wind up as such and not getting at any one person. I have always posted honestly in the past a bit like Squeeky, but anyone who tells it as it is gets hammered on this forum from several members who jump on the band wagon. So i thought i would turn it around for the night!
Now, it's not all a p/take because the conservatory company i posted a link to does exist - it's genuine and i believe their prices are extortionate. So if they are getting customers at those prices what's to stop us getting some of them too? Davo has wound me up in the past but he has a point.
I have never charged £500 for a clean and don't have the nerve to try but obviously it can be done, you only have to get a couple at that price a week and bingo!
Unusually common sense has prevailed for a change with mostly honest answers that come close to my own expectations.
I hope nobody was offended and can see the possibilities. ;D ;D