Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: daniel b on March 18, 2008, 09:31:56 am
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For about a year and half ive had a crack at setting up a domestic round with an employee doing the cleaning, my question is what do you think he should be earning for me on a daily basis, all the houses are quite well priced at £12 and up and quite close too each other.
Thanks
Daniel
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Depends what you mean by "earn for me" :)
Do you mean the gross figure he brings in or do you mean what you get when all overheads have been taken out. at £12 per house, I personally would want one member of staff to be doing 15 houses minimum at that rate per day or it wouldn't be worth it!
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thanks, he is getting nowhere near 15 houses cleaned, he is averagin between £120 & £140 per day do you think that is enough, i have been onto him about getting more done in a day but he swears he can do no more :-[
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at £12 per house, I personally would want one member of staff to be doing 15 houses minimum at that rate per day or it wouldn't be worth it!
£12 a house, all close together! I would expect 25+ a day to be cleaned!!! ;)
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at £12 per house, I personally would want one member of staff to be doing 15 houses minimum at that rate per day or it wouldn't be worth it!
£12 a house, all close together! I would expect 25+ a day to be cleaned!!! ;)
thats somewhere near the figure i would have liked, but he does seem to be slow, but he never gets complaints about his work so never has to go back to reclean etc. To be honest i have been quite happy with his figures im not greedy, but i dont wont him taken the pee, thats why i asked.
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thanks, he is getting nowhere near 15 houses cleaned, he is averagin between £120 & £140 per day do you think that is enough, i have been onto him about getting more done in a day but he swears he can do no more :-[
Ok, lets base this on £140.00 gross brought in per day by him.
so:
1) How much do you pay him per day? (Gross figure)
2) How many hours does he take to do £140.00 per day?
3) What £££ for overheads are you paying out in relation to him.
4) Are the properties priced correctly.
5) Have you ever watched him work when he doesn't realise you are watching.
You say you get no complaints about his work from customers......there isn't a monetary value for that, just a peace of mind bonus ;D
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Maybe he is already doing 25 a day but not telling you and keeping the extra money for himself??
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I could give you the answer but i`m fed up with people on here thinking i`m making figures up etc,the thing i will say is that if he`s earning for silly example £30 you should be paying him £10.
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Maybe he is already doing 25 a day but not telling you and keeping the extra money for himself??
:o
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I think I've seen your van Daniel, does he work St Davids Park in Ewloe (Deeside)?
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thanks, he is getting nowhere near 15 houses cleaned, he is averagin between £120 & £140 per day do you think that is enough, i have been onto him about getting more done in a day but he swears he can do no more :-[
I am guessing that is trad :-\
no all WFP :-\ started the round off all WFP, i think whats happening is he is maybe a little worried of gettin complaints and spending nigh on double the time he should be, i havent been out with him for ages so im gonna go round with him 1 day next week and see if i cant speed him up a little.
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I think I've seen your van Daniel, does he work St Davids Park in Ewloe (Deeside)?
yes thats us mate we do quite a few in them areas, do you work them areas too mate.
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thanks, he is getting nowhere near 15 houses cleaned, he is averagin between £120 & £140 per day do you think that is enough, i have been onto him about getting more done in a day but he swears he can do no more :-[
I am guessing that is trad :-\
no all WFP :-\ started the round off all WFP, i think whats happening is he is maybe a little worried of gettin complaints and spending nigh on double the time he should be, i havent been out with him for ages so im gonna go round with him 1 day next week and see if i cant speed him up a little.
how many hours is he working to get the £140 a day ??
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8 hrs and he on £6.50ph, it costs me around £100 too send him out with all the expenses fuel,water,insurance etc, so too make £40 a day profit i dont think is that bad like i say im not greedy, but from readin on here seems he could be doing more :-\
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8 hrs
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there is something very wrong there Daniel.
Your welcome to give me a call on 01234 870 225 and I will have a chat with you about it.
Ian
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its around 200 a week profit i dont think thats that bad should it be a lot more :-\
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its around 200 a week profit i dont think thats that bad should it be a lot more :-\
yes
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17-50 a hour!
To run a profitable business and cover cost of labour... min 25 max 30 a hour turn over, 3 houses should be done easily with close work at a min price of 10 pounds PER house, if you have him on a hourly rate! then that will be his problem! set his wages on a % of what he works
Andy
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can i give you a ring in like half hour just about too have my tea
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can i give you a ring in like half hour just about too have my tea
call me anytime ;)
enjoy your tea
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cheers ;D,
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I think I've seen your van Daniel, does he work St Davids Park in Ewloe (Deeside)?
yes thats us mate we do quite a few in them areas, do you work them areas too mate.
I do yeh :) :) I think I share the estate with about 4 other guys, not including yourselves. It is very good work, easy houses. Most windows sheet beautifully :)
Not sure how many hes getting through up there, and I know everyone works at different speeds, but I started up there at lunchtime today and finished at about half 4 and got through 13 houses. So he should be reaching your 15 a day target easily, at least up there.
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i think thats the prob his speed i think he is worried about gettin complaints so he spendin like nearly double the time on them think im gonna have to round with him again and speed him up.
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25 houses a day @ £12 a house
You expect £1500 a week from an employee! or £3000 from a team of two
I dont think so
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8 hrs and he on £6.50ph, it costs me around £100 too send him out with all the expenses fuel,water,insurance etc, so too make £40 a day profit i dont think is that bad like i say im not greedy, but from readin on here seems he could be doing more :-\
I think thats your problem. Paying £6.50 ph!
As a window cleaner you need to be paying someone a lot more in my experience to get anything decent from him.
Why not pay him on a precentage rate?
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8 hrs and he on £6.50ph, it costs me around £100 too send him out with all the expenses fuel,water,insurance etc, so too make £40 a day profit i dont think is that bad like i say im not greedy, but from readin on here seems he could be doing more :-\
If he`s only earning you £40 a day your wasting your time,it`s not a case of being greedy it`s a case of it`s business and by making £40 a day from an employee you won`t have one for long,no offense but if your employing him legit by making that small amount per day from him how can you be covering all your costs.
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I would take him on a commision basis. If you charge £12 and up, let him earn £9 per house. That way he has an incentive to work hard, and if a house takes 20 mins, he is earning a potential £27 per hour. Not many other jobs can boast that, therefore he should give loyalty.
You take the £3 per house for doing....nothing ;) He is self-employed so deals with all his own stuff (tax, NI, etc)
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If he`s self employed it won`t be long before he`s peed off about giving you the £3 per job either.
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The odd thing is, no-one has asked what these houses are like?
Truthfully, how long should each house take and how old is he?
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If he gets £6.50 an hour then he has no motivation to work harder. You could pay £10 an hour but it still won't make him work harder. The way i see it it has to be a productive bonus of some sort. What if the bonus payments came in after x amount of houses?
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You can't legally employ him on a self employed basis, if you get shopped then you are in trouble.
Having said that, if you are doing it that way then you need to do it on percentage basis or have some other form of incentive.
A 75/25 split in his favour is a real no-no, it should be more like 50/50, you have to cover your overheads, you had to set him up, not cheap to do so with WFP, and running costs have to be considered.
If we are to assume that the £12 house is a relatively average kind of semi, and the work is reasonably close together, done WFP you should comfortably be able to do 4 houses an hour. On a busy day, with good weather and so on £150-200 should be achievable.
I know that 4 houses an hour at an average of £12 per house is £48, but that won't average out on a full day at that rate, the lad may be out for 8 hours, but he will realistically be actually working for no more than 6 of those hours, but he should be able to clear £30 an hour.
Ergo, if your round is priced well it should be reasonable for him to return a turnover averaging around £180 a day. (ish)
The problem with employing in this manner of course is that the person you are employing sees you getting half the money and thinks it is unfair....but if he is working well he is earning himself approx £15.00 an hour.
If you are employing someone legally then his daily turnover will need to be at least that to cover employment costs, profit, investment, overheads and so on.
You need to kick ass!
Ian
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well theres no way i could 13 houes in one day wfp :o its slower for me than it is workings trad. 25 mins jobs taking 35-40 mins hoses doing my head in every job just seem easly 2 get a ladder off.
anyway to what the post is about... you might be better making it a team!! of 2 people getting the houses done.
daniel isnt too far from me he is in wrexham im on wirral and to pay 6.50 an hour around here is good money its usally min wage of 5.52 when you go searching on job centre you get the od 7.00 per hour but not often.
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why is it illegal to set someone on , on a self employed basis...... i have worked at a few companies over the years on a commission only stratagy, and have been self employed,... no holiday pay, pay my own tax and stamp.
Gary
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he does like 140/150 a day now i make near 200 a week profit for hardly doing anythin i run a large team on the commercial side so this was just an add on, a bit of extra money, but im deffo gonna go out with him and speed him up basically get him too do 200 a day on regular basis.
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why is it illegal to set someone on , on a self employed basis...... i have worked at a few companies over the years on a commission only stratagy, and have been self employed,... no holiday pay, pay my own tax and stamp.
Gary
If the majority of a persons work is through you then the tax man considers him or her your employee, ergo you have to employ him legally, pay his tax, national insurance contributions, have employers liability and so on and so forth.
If you are caught then you are in the do-do!
I myself always employed on a self employed basis, and many still will of course, it was wrong when I did it, and it is wrong now!
That's the way it is I'm afraid :-\
Ian
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Same applies if you sub-contract work out to someone who has no other means of work/job. You would be classed as their employer and be liable for holiday pay, sick pay, tax, N.I. I remember reading how they've clamped down on this dodgy subject a year or two ago.
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They are even wise to switching people between companies - say for instance swapping a self-employed window fitter between a double glazing co & a conservatory co owned by the same person.
Beware ;)
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are you sure, not being funny really at all,... but i worked for the same company for 10 years, on a self emplyed basis, and i had 200 colleagues all doing the same... we paid our own stamp, tax , etc... the company declared our earnings including bonuses to the tax man, and passed on that info to us each year stating it has been declared...
however we could not claim anything back on a company car, as they had the privilage of that.
thats why i find it strange.
Gazzasp8