Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: d s windowcleaning on March 15, 2008, 12:34:48 pm
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about a hour ago ive just knocked the hell out of a smack head whos been going round a lot of my customers saying id sent them to clean the windows , as he was using ladders a few of my customers know that i wouldnt have sent him and 1 as phoned me asking if id sent him , i said no but let him carry on and clean them and i will come straight through . once i got there i just saw red and gave him a few good punches would you have done the same . ??? ???
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did you do that on the customers property or near it? :o
i dont blame you for hitting him but wouldnt of done it near a customer mate.
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did it on the street about 50 yrds from my customers house .
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Dave
In a word no.
Violence breeds violence.
Dave
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Apart from giving the tealeafing T**t a formal caution!!!What else could you do? as we all know these F8*kers don,t give a F**k!.....You acted quite correctley.
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sorry wrong thing mate unless he was taking a swing at you.if had severely injured the guy
you would have more than a few lost customers to worry about. now how you feel
mate take it from me it isnt worth potentially doing time for its not like he was attacking your family
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the only thing with slapping dirty smackheads is geting blood on you, dont want any of there blood related diseases ( Hep and hiv spring to mind ) >:( thats why running them over in a car is better, less chance of getting infected blood on you
of course i will join in with the group
you were very wrong to give them a slap, it gives all of us a bad unprofessional name, you should have turned the other cheek and asked the lord for guidence in this matter :P :P failing that, asked some local passing girl guides / nuns / monks other good type of people ( delete as you seem fit ) for advice :P :P
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The problem is that he knows where you work... Whats to stop him finding you one day with a couple of his mates?
Violence is never worth it... You could have just warned him off your customers.
Now you'll probably be looking over your shoulder for the next few weeks.
Andy
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You see, if i was in power, this situation would have never happened.
Why?
Because thay would have all been round up & shot! ;)
Tony
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So, while I understand your actions and applaud your stand against having the p took out of you, what will you now do if you get a knock on the door from the local plod arresting you for assault? How many customers would like a convicted criminal wandering around the grounds of their property?
They won't stop to ask you what happened or to congratulate you, they will just assume the worst. Believe me on this, I was convicted for giving my neighbor a slap over a 6 month dispute about his dog and kids running amok on my property.
My advice would be deny everything. You were not there.
but in future, think before you act. Is it worth it?
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Sorry you're wrong for slapping this guy....
As much as you have to protect your business....slapping him may put you into a whole world of hurt....
Sorry but you're wrong in the world 'we' live in.
Dave.
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after a visit from the local police i honestly wish i would have hit him harder than i did . the police in there words said what low life thiefing scum he his turns out hes on bail for a few domestic break ins whos to say he wasnt trying to find a house to break in while posing as a window cleaner . yes perhaps it was the wrong thing to do but in the heat of the moment it happend . it wasnt the fact that i was protecting my work it was that he was saying to my custom that id sent him .
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You're wrong to do it but there was a time I might have done similar myself. I think the bit about whether or not he is a smackhead is a side issue really. The point is that someone was trying to steal your work by telling lies about you. What they do in their personal life is irrelevant.
Also, what Matt said is very relevant too. If you drew blood and had a cut on yourself, it could lead to you getting diseased. HIV is not so common but hep-c is certainly a very common one for a user to have if they have shared needles at any time. It's no fun treating it either.
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Not a good idea.
Makes you look bad, and he could go looking for revenge, I know I would...
Be prepared for slashed tyres, bricks through windows, and revenge violence. :o
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Appart from that explained by squeaky i think you will be fine. :-\ :-\
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Dave
Are the police taking action ?
Did he report you ?
Dave
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good on you
to many people cross the line .
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I'm afraid you're wrong.
It's true violence breeds violence. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Technically you broke the law, but he didn't even though I too would feel very indignant. It's not taking reasonable steps to defend yourself when you go after someone and smack them a couple of times.
And finally...If you drew blood (his) and if you so much as grazed yourself watch it! Because you don't know what he's carrying.
It's tough out there sometimes
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Dave
Are the police taking action ?
Did he report you ?
Dave
ive got to wait until they see if they can get any evidance at the moment its my word against his and due to the type of person he his its unlikely they would take his word over mine , so its just a waiting game until they get back to me .
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fairplay for standing your ground but by the look of your avatar i dont really like your attitude!
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fairplay for standing your ground but by the look of your avatar i dont really like your attitude!
its only a avatar mate im really a nice person i will change it just for you mate .
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Fair play but i wouldn't admit my actions in writing if you are going to deny it!! :-X
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Whilst I symathise with the situation you found youself in to deal with it in the way you did was wrong.. end of.. for many reasons.
1: Against the law 2: A smear on decent professional window cleaners... especially if it gets out to the press etc. 3: Dangerous.. you could be up on a murder charge/ GBH etc.. Don't think a "slap" can't kill.. it can. 4: These people "Know people" and you and your family if you have any are now at risk. I would watch out for a needle "accidently" stabbing you sometime.
Also now nice Mr plod has been and you have admitted it from what I can gether. I would be very surprised if you don't end up on a charge for this.
It seems to me that the stereotypical image of the window cleaner is alive and well looking at a some of the replies :(
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Whilst I symathise with the situation you found youself in to deal with it in the way you did was wrong.. end of.. for many reasons.
1: Against the law 2: A smear on decent professional window cleaners... especially if it gets out to the press etc. 3: Dangerous.. you could be up on a murder charge/ GBH etc.. Don't think a "slap" can't kill.. it can. 4: These people "Know people" and you and your family if you have any are now at risk. I would watch out for a needle "accidently" stabbing you sometime.
Also now nice Mr plod has been and you have admitted it from what I can gether. I would be very surprised if you don't end up on a charge for this.
It seems to me that the stereotypical image of the window cleaner is alive and well looking at a some of the replies :(
Changing the subject slightly, what is the stereotypical window cleaner like?
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dave please change it back i am a chelsea fan!!!!
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Good for you dave. It might be wrong and against the law but i bet it made you feel better. Unless youve got a record you aint going to prison for smacking some low life.
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. ;D ;D
dave please change it back i am a chelsea fan!!!!
there you go mate im not a bad lad ;D ;D
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if police are called choose your words very very carefully you will be best advised to say nothing and tell the police he hit you and you want to make a complaint against him
honesty in this case is not the best policy
good luck
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ive got to wait until they see if they can get any evidance at the moment its my word against his and due to the type of person he his its unlikely they would take his word over mine , so its just a waiting game until they get back to me .
Dave I'd get this post deleted if I was you, this is evidence. ;)
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Dave
Are the police taking action ?
Did he report you ?
Dave
ive got to wait until they see if they can get any evidance at the moment its my word against his and due to the type of person he his its unlikely they would take his word over mine , so its just a waiting game until they get back to me .
I would delete this posting if I was you, because if the police or the victim get wind of it then you are screwed.
This victim is known by the police so you can bet he knows his rights, especially when it comes to criminal compensation.
I call this person a "victim" because if he can prove you attacked him then he will be treated as one, you will be treated as a thug and violent criminal, who decent people should be protected from.
If you are convicted he can sue you for every penny you have, you might even end up working as a window cleaner for years to come, but all the money you earn will go to him.
You also need to look after yours and your families' security, if he knows were you live and what times you are working, then you home and anyone who is there are vulnerable to some form of revenge attack, either by him or one of his friends.
Remember some important points if you need to observe if you need to whack someone.
1 Do it quietly and away from any prying eyes or cameras.
2 Put the fear of god in them if they get the idea that they will be coming looking for vengeance.
3 Never admit what you have done to Pc Plod, they might be nice to you but they have to log every thing down, otherwise they are in hot water.
4 NEVER EVER tell everyone on a public web-site what you have done.
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yep agree with previous post it may be paranoid mate but erase this post
some people may believe you wont be touched by this but any evidence
found against you no matter if he is low life or not will go against you
if you get away with it next time think twice!!
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dave
the only advice i can give you and it will save you even going to court, the CPS will now even bother
say he was acting like he was a threat and you thought you saw a knife in his hand, you acted before he stabbed you, mention you reconnised him as a local junkie and you felt you had to defend yourself as he looked wild ( he might have been on drugs )
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dave
the only advice i can give you and it will save you even going to court, the CPS will now even bother
say he was acting like he was a threat and you thought you saw a knife in his hand, you acted before he stabbed you, mention you reconnised him as a local junkie and you felt you had to defend yourself as he looked wild ( he might have been on drugs )
Is this after he did a good clean on the custys.
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i dont blame you for decking this clown,but i dont think i would have done the same thing,maybe a few years ago but as i get older i realise that its just not worth it,
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i hope this all blows over soon and you can just forget about. fingers crossed m8
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Dave , just in case things turn sour Ive ordered 100 T shirts with the slogan " free dave shaw " ! If any one is interested the T shirt can also be used as a sill wipe ;D
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dave mate under uk common law you have the right to defend yourself if you are threatened and feel you are about to be attacked. so even if you hit first this is allowed if you use resonable and proportionate force, so in other words if you saw what appeared to be a weapon of some kind and you believed he was going to use you can react first to defend yourself. it is same law that the police operate under when tackling yobs etc. if any more is said say nothing and get legal advice and you will be ok. if you had set about him with a weapon it would be differnt as it has to be propotionate force
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Isn't the "victim" guilty of some sort of crime then? obtaining money by deception perhaps?
For what its worth although I agree with the comments i.e. it looking bad for business,
I'd be quite capable of doing the same if I lost it.
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cheers guys i know ive done wrong but i feel i did the right thing in the spur of the moment my deepest regret is that i didnt do it hard enough . ive now got a witness who says she was really scared by this mans actions when he called at her house , im in no way a violent person but today was a loyal customer who phoned me asking if this lad was doing my work for me im not botherd that hes working in the same street , its when he says ive sent them to do the work .
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Think you done the right thing mate, ur custys will be pleased that someone had the balls to deal with him and possibly stopped him from breaking into their property.
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Dave , just in case things turn sour Ive ordered 100 T shirts with the slogan " free dave shaw " ! If any one is interested the T shirt can also be used as a sill wipe ;D
lmao ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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cheers guys i know ive done wrong but i feel i did the right thing in the spur of the moment my deepest regret is that i didnt do it hard enough . ive now got a witness who says she was really scared by this mans actions when he called at her house , im in no way a violent person but today was a loyal customer who phoned me asking if this lad was doing my work for me im not botherd that hes working in the same street , its when he says ive sent them to do the work .
sometimes you have to speek the same language as the low life!!!!!!
they only understand one language!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................... a little slap :o
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Ive ordered 100 T shirts with the slogan " free dave shaw "
With every four gallons?
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too late now but you should have told the police he pulled a screwdriver out on you and threatened to stab you, when you confronted him. Any skanky burglar is bound to have one.
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about a hour ago ive just knocked the hell out of a smack head whos been going round a lot of my customers saying id sent them to clean the windows , as he was using ladders a few of my customers know that i wouldnt have sent him and 1 as phoned me asking if id sent him , i said no but let him carry on and clean them and i will come straight through . once i got there i just saw red and gave him a few good punches would you have done the same . ??? ???
not in front of anyone I would'nt have as looks totally unprofessional.
I would have called the police on him as older people are at risk.
I would have followed the guy and taken time to do what you did without the hassle that comes with it, this guy could have you done for doing what you did.
so all in all I would want to there and then but I would have waited and informed the law first ;)
Ian
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What you shouldn't do is wait until it's dark and you are both alone, with no witnesses about, then ..............
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although i do see what made you do it ask yourself would you be happy to have a "thug" on your property dealing face to face with your wife or mother ? fingers crossed nothing will come of it
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sorry to disagree with half of you lot on here but if it was YOUR WORK, YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY how would you have reacted?
I'd have literally kicked him to within an inch of his life, he's gone out of his way to cause hardship for someone else.
Scum like this don't deserve to be breathing the same air as the rest of us - call me brutal or politically incorrect or whatever, I have no time for filth like these, I've lost time, money and work to them in the past, it happened once and won't ever happen again, I have no remorse for what I did, the little piece of scum done the same thing to me.