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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jouk45 on March 10, 2008, 06:28:06 pm
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take a look t this guy, this is an accident waiting to happen, a member sent this into the training academy ::)
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lol..that is soooo funny...lol ;D
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I hope midlands health and safety see that and close him down or at least fine him...
He's breaking so many regs......
Regards
Mr H
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what people will do to save money on buying a bigger pole ;)
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He can`t afford a long enough pole,either that or he`s to tight to buy one.It`s probobly the highest work he has so feels a longer pole is not worth the money.
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He can`t afford a long enough pole,either that or he`s to tight to buy one.It`s probobly the highest work he has so feels a longer pole is not worth the money.
here here
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Doesn't do his image or reputation any good. What an idiot, no regard for Health & Safety.
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I hope midlands health and safety see that and close him down or at least fine him...
He's breaking so many regs......
Regards
Mr H
what ones?
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couldnt say he was ladderless could ya
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Makes no difference.... Still breaking H and S regs...
If he can't reach and its the only one then he shouldn't have taken on the job...
Very unprofessional and needs to be classed as a cowboy operator.
And just for the record this guy earns more than a lot of guys on here do.....
Regards
MR H
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He can`t afford a long enough pole,either that or he`s to tight to buy one.It`s probobly the highest work he has so feels a longer pole is not worth the money.
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He don`t need to purchase a complete pole just 1 more section,cheap enough ;)
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I wonder if he his using pure water...answers on a postcard please!!
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Makes no difference.... Still breaking H and S regs...
If he can't reach and its the only one then he shouldn't have taken on the job...
Very unprofessional and needs to be classed as a cowboy operator.
And just for the record this guy earns more than a lot of guys on here do.....
Regards
MR H
I take it you know the guy if you know how much he earns
Dean
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i wouldve faced the ladders the other way myself
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i wouldve faced the ladders the other way myself
i would of bought the correct pole ;)
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It's so very easy to rip someone apart is'nt it....as we are all very safety concious and have never had to bend rules or improvise every now and then.
More than likely just a normal bod like the rest of us trying to make a living.
Dave.
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What a plonker, I would have stood on the wall and done both windows at the same time.
Be fair guys, most of us have taken far greater risks than this guy. Dai
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I hope midlands health and safety see that and close him down or at least fine him...
He's breaking so many regs......
Regards
Mr H
what ones?
Not got 3 points of contact with the ladder
Arms above head height when working from a ladder.
Using a domestic and not a commercial ladder.
Looks like a FG pole so therefore more than 5kg weight above shoulder level.
Ladder should be facing the work and not 90 degrees to it.
Ladders are not permitted for work above 18ft unless secured to the structure beg worked on. The top half of the top windows are above that height I recon...
Not 100% sure but I recon wrong footwear.
Plus it is alleged that the guy is a thieving low life who steels from other WCs...
Regards
MR H
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i love it. you ve got to admire his ingenuity!
we all do silly things
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What a plonker, I would have stood on the wall and done both windows at the same time.
Be fair guys, most of us have taken far greater risks than this guy. Dai
leaning backwards, i rekon his head would land on the kerb, what do you rekon? ;) i call that a risk to far!!
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he isnt above 18 foot himself though is he.. hes halfway up a stepladder. just bit dangerous with a fully extended pole..mr h are you mr h and s???you seem too know a lot about it all lol... ;D
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he isnt above 18 foot himself though is he.. hes halfway up a stepladder. just bit dangerous with a fully extended pole..mr h are you mr h and s???you seem too know a lot about it all lol... ;D
No I'm not Mr H(& S).... :D
I just recently read up on ladder regulations and a friend of mine is a H & S officer and we went through some aspects of my work with WFP and ladder safety to make sure I was safe and legal as a training exercise for one of the staff training courses he does.....
Regards
Mr H
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I hope midlands health and safety see that and close him down or at least fine him...
He's breaking so many regs......
Regards
Mr H
The guy is only trying to earn a crust Mr H.
Let him earn it in the way he does best and keep your nose out...."closing him down or fining him"...shame on you!
what ones?
Not got 3 points of contact with the ladder
Arms above head height when working from a ladder.
Using a domestic and not a commercial ladder.
Looks like a FG pole so therefore more than 5kg weight above shoulder level.
Ladder should be facing the work and not 90 degrees to it.
Ladders are not permitted for work above 18ft unless secured to the structure beg worked on. The top half of the top windows are above that height I recon...
Not 100% sure but I recon wrong footwear.
Plus it is alleged that the guy is a thieving low life who steels from other WCs...
Regards
MR H
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a members wife saw this guy across the street from her house, she showed her husband who is wfp the pics she had taken from her window, and he could not believe she took these snaps, has to be the best pics ever ;D
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I think pingu and Dai have said it best.
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I would have pulled my van round and stood on that ;D
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I think pingu and Dai have said it best.
i agree,give the guy a break
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Where about in the country is the picture taken, Jo ??
marcus...
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Perhaps the Chappy was confused and ordered the wrong size pole to begin with. ::)
Just a good point from Dave of St Ives?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=51657.20
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twekinbury if thats how its pronunced ;D
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Isn't that bad is it?
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Oh, Its not the guy im thinking of then ......Shame ;D ;D
Marcus...
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Maybe he's just started out with wfp.
Invested cautiously/wisely in a backpack and one pole first........to "test the water" and lo and behold he finds people sticking their head out of top floor windows asking if he can do theirs too........
Maybe, like me his knees have had it and he'd stopped doing 3rd floor stuff from the ladder years ago and suddenly he realises he can do them too
What's he going to do, say no?
It is the easiest thing in the world to criticize someone
Maybe he's browsing on here now wondering who will give him some helpful advice on which 35' pole he should now buy
So which 35' pole would you advise me to get?
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no its not that bad, but if you had to read the paper the next day window cleaner killed falling from ladder into the front path of a vehicle turing that corner,while wfp from a little step ladder, you must admit there is no footing of the ladder, plus both his hands are on the pole, it seems silly but what he was doing by the road side was dangerous,
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Fair comment Joe, it is not very safe for him or others, as he now realises.
Mind you, is it rush hour round that estate? ;D
I still do some pretty daft things every week and I'm in my 22nd year, 3rd year wfp.
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Oh, Its not the guy im thinking of then ......Shame ;D ;D
Marcus...
who were you thinking of ???
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as he now realises.?? it was not you was it pj ;D ;D
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Nothing better to do? ::)
Leave him alone, he's fine.
Not even two foot off the ground.
Hope he's got his oxygen pack. ::)
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i'd have used taller steps as ime only 5'6" ;D ;D ;D
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I hope midlands health and safety see that and close him down or at least fine him...
He's breaking so many regs......
Regards
Mr H
what ones?
Not got 3 points of contact with the ladder
Arms above head height when working from a ladder.
Using a domestic and not a commercial ladder.
Looks like a FG pole so therefore more than 5kg weight above shoulder level.
Ladder should be facing the work and not 90 degrees to it.
Ladders are not permitted for work above 18ft unless secured to the structure beg worked on. The top half of the top windows are above that height I recon...
Not 100% sure but I recon wrong footwear.
Plus it is alleged that the guy is a thieving low life who steels from other WCs...
Regards
MR H
are you Mr H of H&Safety? ;D ;D ;D
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hes just trying to make a quid like we all do,
not everyone has a all singing and dancing van mount and 5 poles.
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mark its not about how many vans we have or poles, its about safety, thats how we all moved over to wfp in the first place, but you do have to laugh at the pics, ;D
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Maybe this guy stays here and is doing his own windows! It happens
If my wife was taking pictures of other windowcleaners i think i would be a bit concerned............
Danny
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Have I logged onto a wrong site?
Is this the sewing circle site?
I have several jobs where I stand on my van roof to reach, for God's sake live and let live, the bloke is only 2 steps up a step ladder trying to earn a living.
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;D ;D ;D
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lol
it wood be more dangerous crossing a busy road ;D
can any one donate a longer pole to him
brett
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this guy in the picture is doing a house that he has stolen from another wc by saying he has taken over the round..
i know this to be fact >:( >:( >:( >:(
and no its not me >:(
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Well now
Thats a different story of health and safety >:(
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if he's gonna use a stepladder he should at least have it facing onto the job. They have no stability from the side and i wouldn't go up 1 anymore because of it.
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this guy in the picture is doing a house that he has stolen from another wc by saying he has taken over the round..
i know this to be fact >:( >:( >:( >:(
and no its not me >:(
If he was taking work of me, no way would I sit back and let it happen, the photo would be sent to the local enforce officer, many have said he is not doing anything wrong, well they are wrong, and Mr H points are spot on, he has a good understanding off H&S and so do I
Andy
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After reading this post I am sure I know who it is and where the photos are taken. The guy has certainly didn't order the wrong size pole It's the pole he recommends and the best bit is he cant even take his own advice! Here's a quote of his from october 05 "my advice is wherever possible, use a pole which is long enough for what you need it for & no longer. My business is entirely residential & I use an 18 foot pole which reaches 98% of residential work. The other 2% I can live without." Obviously not!
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I did exactly the same myself once when I didn't have a longer pole with me so I'm not going to knock the guy. I did have the ladder facing the job though. When I did it, it was only for one window. I climb higher than that on stepladders regularly to lean over gates when undoing bolts. Not sure what all the fuss is about as he might only be doing one property that way. Maybe he has a longer pole but it got broken. Easy to criticise when not knowing full facts.
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It's one photo taken in isolation, and we all do things we shouldn't, most of us will break health & safety regs on a regular basis to some degree or another.
And if this fella is a forum member this thread will be removed...libel and so on...can't go around calling someone a low life!
But just to make a comment on his work practice...what he is doing is potentially quite dangerous, and most of the serious accidents on ladders happen on the lowest rungs.
just because he isn't 30ft up a ladder doesn't make this any less dangerous or precarious.
And the problem with health & safety is that there is always another little step that can be taken...
Did you know that on a building site, if you haven't got a certificate, you are not even supposed to change the blade on an angle grinder?
Why the hell does a painter and decorator need to wear a hard hat on site when he is the last guy on said site, construction finished, where is the risk of things falling on his head?
And if there is a risk, what is the probability of something falling on his head to cause injury?
There is a probability of course, easy enough to envisage a scenario where it could happen, which is what H & S does, but the likelihood of it happening is remote....
Work beckons...gotta go!
Ian
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This guy needs reporting. What a tool.
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This guy needs reporting. What a tool.
Yeah, what a daredevil maniac. ::)
What's wrong with you fairies?
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poleman your so into to health and safety ..
i see in your flyer your not wearing a hi vis jacket, no safety sign and and id be sure your not wearing steel toe cap boots.
is your staff kitted out the same way..(may be it is one of your staff if so you havent trained them very well)
no ones perfect ..
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This guy needs reporting. What a tool.
Yeah, what a daredevil maniac. ::)
What's wrong with you fairies?
Yea, I'm sure that in 6 weeks you can take 3 pics of me doing a more dangerous thing. lol
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The reason that the Working at Height Directive was brought out, was because ladder users were going that one step too far, with regard to their own safety, and they either injured or killed themselves.
When the regulation was actioned in 2005, there was an uproar from ladder users about it, yet there are still people who think that its alright to do some jobs where safety is not an issue and accidents could happen.
It is up to us professionals to try and work safely, and when we see others who don't, then we need to criticized them, not congratulate them as some type of hero.
If we don't, then more restricting regulations will be come law, which we be enforced more rigorously.
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I cleaned a building like that guy once and it was even higher and on a slope. I did have someone holding the ladder. Once was enough I invested in a longer pole, it only does the one job and cost a fare bit but was worth it.
Steve
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H + S guys wouldn't do a thing!! If an officer passed him and decided to stop they would just tell him to get down and that would be it.
Reporting him would be a waste of time too, what would be the point? He wouldn't get fined or anything. Its a bit stupid but as they say necessity is the mother of invention! ;D
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I regularly use a hop up to do trad work on bungalows too where the ground falls away. Nothing dangerous in it. The thing I use is actually designed to be a hop up.
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The thing is not so much the danger to himself but what about others? If he was to slip and drop the pole he could drop it straight on someones head or given how close he is to the road he could easily drop it through someones windscreen with dire consequences. Also, The estate that the pictures taken on is still being developed and the road shown is on the main traffic route into the site and is also on the route to the local school so does get busy. Personally I don't care so much for his personal safety (thats his choice) but do think he should consider the potential danger to others. How would feel if someone dropped a pole on your child's head?
I regularly use a hop up to do trad work on bungalows too where the ground falls away. Nothing dangerous in it. The thing I use is actually designed to be a hop up.
That maybe the case but your not using an 18ft pole off it. There is no comparison what you do is totally different and the risks different.
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I regularly use a hop up to do trad work on bungalows too where the ground falls away. Nothing dangerous in it. The thing I use is actually designed to be a hop up.
Does it look like this?
I'm not sure it's legal.
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I regularly use a hop up to do trad work on bungalows too where the ground falls away. Nothing dangerous in it. The thing I use is actually designed to be a hop up.
Does it look like this?
I'm not sure it's legal.
;D
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poleman your so into to health and safety ..
Errr YES I have a duty of care to my employees ::)
Andy
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so its you on the flyer then with out your safety gear on
nice one good example
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so its you on the flyer then with out your safety gear on
nice one good example
Seeing as it is a "staged" picture then a lot of H and S issues are already covered. No need for Hi-viz as it doesn't look like a public area. No need for a hard hat. He is posing for a picture and so not working, not even from a ladder, then no need for protective footwear. As there are other members of staff around and private property then the need for signs is either reduced or removed.........
So which Health and Safety reg is he actually breaking Craig.......?
Regards
Mr H
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Is the original picture in this thread not staged? He looks rather like a well known member from Somerset who's missus often does a bit of wfp too ??? think someone's having a giggle here ?
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ok its staged as i thought .
if you our so h&s perfect you should know that you should always think safe and be safe
if he had done a risk assesment and method statement for that job surely he would have safe working methods in it if he thought he needed them or not..
hes not perfect just like us all .
you just dont no when an accident could happen. ( think SAFE think SMART!!)
he could put that on his van..
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Or trailer?
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This is true
A pole supplier reccommended i do the same as the man in the picture to raise and lower there pole.
Dave