Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: frames to panes on March 04, 2008, 08:44:21 pm
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Well it would be if i got away with the prices someone is trying on near me. Four bed detatched, lady wanted a quote £13 i said "what!" she said £13 i repeated (god not another tight wad) easy house not many windows. "The last windowcleaner wanted £30!" Needless to say she told him where to go. The thing is he only needs to do four or five houses a day for a decent wage and home for lunch. :o :o
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4 Bed detached? £30 sounds about right here in Surrey. :)
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4 Bed detached? £30 sounds about right here in Surrey. :)
And me,am i missing something.
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Time to move for me then!
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only 30 quid
i would be thinking of 40 quid for a 4 bed
10 quid a bedroom
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LOL weeeeyyyyyyaaaaa old prickles is about,did someone mention money. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Count windows and put £ at the front......
How many windows did she have....?
Regards
Mr H
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Certainly not thirty!
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Certainly not thirty!
So if you did 5 houses and they had 5 window`s each would you only charge £25 on the basis that it`s a pound a window,that`s where this pound a window dosen`t work.It only works like that on large jobs when your going to be there for hours on end.
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Certainly not thirty!
i am with you mate i would get laughed at up here in central scotland. i tend to agree with mr h but you have to come and go a bit
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This is only a run of the mill estate house nothing special - just imagine a street load of them at that price.
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Here in Leicestershire, anything more than £10 is laughed at. so many people here will do it for a fiver (fly-by-nights) that people will not pay too much.
Although I can make £100 a day (maybe 10 houses) if I work 10 till 2 or 3...
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Certainly not thirty!
So if you did 5 houses and they had 5 window`s each would you only charge £25 on the basis that it`s a pound a window,that`s where this pound a window dosen`t work.It only works like that on large jobs when your going to be there for hours on end.
I'd say it's the other way around, if you'd charge a pound a window, then there is a equal amount of time that you work on the window, according to your hourly rate. Usually we're quicker then that. So if you only have 10 windows, your faster then you've quoted for, but not by that much.
But if you have 200 windows, priced a pound, and you don't spend a pounds worth on time on them, multiply that by 200, and your much much quicker done then what you have quoted for, so you've overpriced it. Nice if you get away with it ofcourse, most of my quotes are like that, take me much less time.
But just stating that pricing per window doesn't work the bigger the job gets, would be ideal if you know exactly how long a window takes. Tried that a little while ago with the stopwatch, but there are so many different windows, it's quite difficult. :)
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Here in Leicestershire, anything more than £10 is laughed at. so many people here will do it for a fiver (fly-by-nights) that people will not pay too much.
Although I can make £100 a day (maybe 10 houses) if I work 10 till 2 or 3...
Well.. work a FULL day and make £200 :o
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Just wanted to make a comment as to " 4 bedroom detatched " etc ! Doesnt mattter if it is a mansion or a terrace IMHO , shouldnt you just price for the windows in the property ?
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£30 sounds about right to me for a 4 bed detached! I wouldn't even bother getting out of the van for £13!!!! ;D Thats a daft price if you ask me, at least round it up to £15!
Why do so many of you sell yourselves so short, when I price up a job I think like a salesman and try to get the best price that I possibly can for the job, first of all I get the customer on side, I compliment them about their house or garden, ask about their job or family, maybe a bit of flirting if the customer is female! Then I work out a price that I would be prepared to do the job for, then I work out what I think is the highest price I could possibly get, this is the price I tell the customer, sometimes they will agree to this (brilliant quids in) sometimes they will say it is too expensive, in which case after a little bit of banter I will lower the price (because I like the customer so much! ;)) Quite often they will agree to this second price (great still quids in!) if not I will revert to the original price that I worked out, if they agree to this then great its still a good price, if they still say no I walk away!!
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£30 sounds about right to me for a 4 bed detached! I wouldn't even bother getting out of the van for £13!!!! ;D Thats a daft price if you ask me, at least round it up to £15!
Why do so many of you sell yourselves so short, when I price up a job I think like a salesman and try to get the best price that I possibly can for the job, first of all I get the customer on side, I compliment them about their house or garden, ask about their job or family, maybe a bit of flirting if the customer is female! Then I work out a price that I would be prepared to do the job for, then I work out what I think is the highest price I could possibly get, this is the price I tell the customer, sometimes they will agree to this (brilliant quids in) sometimes they will say it is too expensive, in which case after a little bit of banter I will lower the price (because I like the customer so much! ;)) Quite often they will agree to this second price (great still quids in!) if not I will revert to the original price that I worked out, if they agree to this then great its still a good price, if they still say no I walk away!!
Groundhog you`ve said it all.
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only 30 quid
i would be thinking of 40 quid for a 4 bed
10 quid a bedroom
And for the downstairs ?
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Certainly not thirty!
So if you did 5 houses and they had 5 window`s each would you only charge £25 on the basis that it`s a pound a window,that`s where this pound a window dosen`t work.It only works like that on large jobs when your going to be there for hours on end.
I'd say it's the other way around, if you'd charge a pound a window, then there is a equal amount of time that you work on the window, according to your hourly rate. Usually we're quicker then that. So if you only have 10 windows, your faster then you've quoted for, but not by that much.
But if you have 200 windows, priced a pound, and you don't spend a pounds worth on time on them, multiply that by 200, and your much much quicker done then what you have quoted for, so you've overpriced it. Nice if you get away with it ofcourse, most of my quotes are like that, take me much less time.
But just stating that pricing per window doesn't work the bigger the job gets, would be ideal if you know exactly how long a window takes. Tried that a little while ago with the stopwatch, but there are so many different windows, it's quite difficult. :)
have to agree with the above also i take each job individually the bigger gets discounted because its window after window with no traveling etc
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4 bed detached around 12 to fifteen quid up here.
but food , clothes and beer is much cheaper, than down south.... as are house prices, morgages, rent, gas and electric.
i reckon that balances things out a bit. ;D ;D
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round it off to the fiver so you dont have to fumble around with change, just notes
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4 bed detached around 12 to fifteen quid up here.
Same down here mate.
I haven't been on this side of the forum for a while, but I see it's still full of absolute tripe.
£30 for 15-20 minute houses?
Never heard such rubbish. ::)
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4 bed detached around 12 to fifteen quid up here.
but food , clothes and beer is much cheaper, than down south.... as are house prices, morgages, rent, gas and electric.
i reckon that balances things out a bit. ;D ;D
As are flat caps & coal ;)
Tony
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Here in Leicestershire, anything more than £10 is laughed at. so many people here will do it for a fiver (fly-by-nights) that people will not pay too much.
Although I can make £100 a day (maybe 10 houses) if I work 10 till 2 or 3...
Well.. work a FULL day and make £200 :o
well said mate - 10 til 2 is still 25 an hour.
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:D
do you know flat caps started out as a london trait?
whats coal ? ;)
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do you know flat caps started out as a london trait?
whats coal ? ;)
Sorry, meant coil. ;) It's gerrin cold up here, al av to put wood int' oil! ;)
Tony
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Certainly not thirty!
So if you did 5 houses and they had 5 window`s each would you only charge £25 on the basis that it`s a pound a window,that`s where this pound a window dosen`t work.It only works like that on large jobs when your going to be there for hours on end.
That's why I set a minimum of £10 in with my £1 a window. Only a rule of thumb though as there are plenty of jobs where quoting that way would produce a ridiculous price (either way).
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Mmmm....Well I think it all depends on the work involved, we still haven't been told how many windows this property has, or the type and size of the windows.
In most parts of the country, £30 for a medium sized house would be very expensive, but if you are trad and it has about 16 or 17 georgian windows then £30 quid wouldn't be particularly expensive at all.
WFP different of course because there is little time difference between cleaning a georgian window and a normal casement window.
Was the original window cleaner trad? Was his price including washing down all the frames, doors and so on?
For me, a £13.00 house would have to be cleaned (without racing or rushing) in a maximum of 13 minutes.
And if it is a stand alone house, that 13 minutes starts from getting out of the van to getting back in it when I've finished.
And that does not mean I earn £60 an hour all day long, all week long either, but this isn't the thread to go into that...
Ian
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Mmmm....Well I think it all depends on the work involved, we still haven't been told how many windows this property has, or the type and size of the windows.
In most parts of the country, £30 for a medium sized house would be very expensive, but if you are trad and it has about 16 or 17 georgian windows then £30 quid wouldn't be particularly expensive at all.
WFP different of course because there is little time difference between cleaning a georgian window and a normal casement window.
Was the original window cleaner trad? Was his price including washing down all the frames, doors and so on?
For me, a £13.00 house would have to be cleaned (without racing or rushing) in a maximum of 13 minutes.
And if it is a stand alone house, that 13 minutes starts from getting out of the van to getting back in it when I've finished.
And that does not mean I earn £60 an hour all day long, all week long either, but this isn't the thread to go into that...
Ian
my thoughts exactly.....
just one thing too add.... the wc charging the high over inflated prices have a higher cancelation rate......if i charged £30 for the average 4 bed semi , i would earn an average of £80/hr.......but where i live i just wouldn't get the work at that price.....
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it is great when you get as much as you can and why not its what most salesman or business's would do. The problem you have though is you leave yourself wide open to being undercut!! it would only take another window cleaner a matter of seconds to knock on your customers door and i can guarentee they will ask for a quote, they will then realise they are being ripped off and drop you like a stone.
There are a few houses we clean them and i can't help feeling we are ripping them off, but they pay it month in month out so i don't see the problem, i am expecting that one day they will cancel when another wc comes along and quotes them a REAL price.
You can get away with charging a premium if your a premium set up, but theres premium then theres just idiotic. I prefer to keep my business than lose it hence why we have a sensible pricing structure. but we turn over a very healthy profit ;) doesn't need to be maximum profit out of each house, just condenst and sensibly priced. you will not achieve that by ripping everyone off, people arn't stupid.
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it is great when you get as much as you can and why not its what most salesman or business's would do. The problem you have though is you leave yourself wide open to being undercut!! it would only take another window cleaner a matter of seconds to knock on your customers door and i can guarentee they will ask for a quote, they will then realise they are being ripped off and drop you like a stone.
There are a few houses we clean them and i can't help feeling we are ripping them off, but they pay it month in month out so i don't see the problem, i am expecting that one day they will cancel when another wc comes along and quotes them a REAL price.
You can get away with charging a premium if your a premium set up, but theres premium then theres just idiotic. I prefer to keep my business than lose it hence why we have a sensible pricing structure. but we turn over a very healthy profit ;) doesn't need to be maximum profit out of each house, just condenst and sensibly priced. you will not achieve that by ripping everyone off, people arn't stupid.
Spot on!
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people arn't stupid.
Yes they are - well, some of them. It's these ones you want most of. By 'stupid' I mean the ones who are gagging to have their windows done and ohh and ahh all over you. It's the price-savvy ones you want to get rid of. The more stupid, financially the better, IMO.
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you will only get away with it for a while, you will turm over customers like theres no tomorrow
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point is, if i tried for thirty pounds then i wouldn't have got the work, simple as that. £13 is still better than £0 unfortunately. Obviously had i known of the previous quote maybe i might have got away with £20 but that wouldn't be every five weeks. This woman hadn't had them done for a year. She did them herself by leaning out of the window. Probably around twelve windows in all - upvc modern house no bay windows.
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I haven't been on this side of the forum for a while, but I see it's still full of absolute tripe.
£30 for 15-20 minute houses?
Never heard such rubbish. ::)
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Whatever you say Squealer!!! ;D You carry on charging low prices and I'll carry on with my premium prices (premium service also) and you will have a low paying round, and I will have a high paying one!!! Simple as that!!!! ;)
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4 bedroom house of my mothers cost 3.50 in scotland
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4 bedroom house of my mothers cost 3.50 in scotland
Yes, but how much to clean the windows? :)
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Here in Leicestershire, anything more than £10 is laughed at. so many people here will do it for a fiver (fly-by-nights) that people will not pay too much.
Although I can make £100 a day (maybe 10 houses) if I work 10 till 2 or 3...
Well.. work a FULL day and make £200 :o
I like my 'me' time too much : ) ::beer:: ::Family:: ::more beer::
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£30 sounds about right to me for a 4 bed detached! I wouldn't even bother getting out of the van for £13!!!! ;D Thats a daft price if you ask me, at least round it up to £15!
Why do so many of you sell yourselves so short, when I price up a job I think like a salesman and try to get the best price that I possibly can for the job, first of all I get the customer on side, I compliment them about their house or garden, ask about their job or family, maybe a bit of flirting if the customer is female! Then I work out a price that I would be prepared to do the job for, then I work out what I think is the highest price I could possibly get, this is the price I tell the customer, sometimes they will agree to this (brilliant quids in) sometimes they will say it is too expensive, in which case after a little bit of banter I will lower the price (because I like the customer so much! ;)) Quite often they will agree to this second price (great still quids in!) if not I will revert to the original price that I worked out, if they agree to this then great its still a good price, if they still say no I walk away!!
I have thought about doing this but, some potential customers must think that you may be ripping them off if you move your price down like this.
Lee
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I can understand where groundhog is coming from, but to be honest when I have asked someone for their best price for something, I expect that to be their best price and not to then move downwards in order to get a sale.....just makes me say no in the end :)
We do "push" prices whenever we can, of course we do!, but if we really want a property on our books and the potenetial custie says that is too expensive we just say well we'll do the first clean at that price and then we knock off 15% or whatever for the price thereafter....works some of the time ;D
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Whatever you say Squealer!!! ;D You carry on charging low prices and I'll carry on with my premium prices (premium service also) and you will have a low paying round, and I will have a high paying one!!! Simple as that!!!! ;)
You carry talking rubbish RoundDog to try and look big (failing though), and I'll carry on living in the real world and telling it like it is. ;)
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Whatever you say Squealer!!! ;D You carry on charging low prices and I'll carry on with my premium prices (premium service also) and you will have a low paying round, and I will have a high paying one!!! Simple as that!!!! ;)
You carry talking rubbish RoundDog to try and look big (failing though), and I'll carry on living in the real world and telling it like it is. ;)
Isnt £300 a day possible then?
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Sounds like groundhog easily earns that everyday. I could do ten to fifteen houses like that in a day especialy in the same street. It wouldn't take a customer two minutes to work out your earnings then so you would hardly have a streetfull of loyal customers. As for Groundhog saying he does a premium service either your windows and frames are clean or they arn't!
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DJW, I would have quoted the same.... maybe a £1 dearer.. but you are bang on in our area I think :D
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I quoted for a new build (they build them small now) four bedroomed detached house with a conservatory yesturday; £18 and that's a good price for South East Wales, in an estate area.
There's just no way you could get £30 for stuff like that round here; no way.
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What's your annual turnover then tosh with prices this low? (don't feel you have to say, respect those on lower incomes)/.
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What's your annual turnover then tosh with prices this low? (don't feel you have to say, respect those on lower incomes)/.
Prices this low? ;D
£18 per house will soon mount up.
Another one... ::)
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I quoted for a new build (they build them small now) four bedroomed detached house with a conservatory yesturday; £18 and that's a good price for South East Wales, in an estate area.
There's just no way you could get £30 for stuff like that round here; no way.
They weren't even talking about one with a conservatory Tosh.
That would be £40 probably.
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I quoted for a new build (they build them small now) four bedroomed detached house with a conservatory yesturday; £18 and that's a good price for South East Wales, in an estate area.
There's just no way you could get £30 for stuff like that round here; no way.
If i got that it would be a good price, probably £15 for me if it's a small detatched. Still a fair price if you go by your hourly rate.
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Squeaky, I think you and a couple of others should lend out your watches and calculators, some peoples are obviously on the blink.
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wish i had few of the £30 ones ::)
anyway if i charged some of these sort of prices i wouldnt get work ::)
here in s wales £15 would be about right . otherwise youd just get no work.
squeaks your posts are refreshing. :)
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Is south wales a hot spot for w/c then? I might move from south dorset if I think its worthwhile.
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Is south wales a hot spot for w/c then? I might move from south dorset if I think its worthwhile.
i wouldnt bother prices seem alot higher elsewhere ::)
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DJW, I would have quoted the same.... maybe a £1 dearer.. but you are bang on in our area I think :D
Thanks Dale, i chat to other cleaners now and again and i seem to be either spot on or slightly higher than everyone else on average. Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
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Is south wales a hot spot for w/c then? I might move from south dorset if I think its worthwhile.
i wouldnt bother prices seem alot higher elsewhere ::)
I come from an itineratn background so ain't bothered about moving (world's me oyster thing). There's got to be money worth chasing somewhere.
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Think your're right DJW.
Methinks looking at the longer side of the picture that you will build up a good round by doing it how you are already doing it, by quoting fair decent prices. You will be able to sleep easy as well ;D
Bruv & me are doing it the same way.... ;)
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At my prices i can earn a decent living provided i have a full workload. Obviously double the money would be nice but £30 for that kind of house would give me the worlds smallest round! There is far too much competition in my opinion in my area to try and force prices up to that level. Maybe out in the sticks you might do it but then the travelling would cancel out the price advantage to some extent. Possibly the guy with the huge quote has a full round and has nothing to loose to put in a joke quote now and again.
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Whatever you say Squealer!!! ;D You carry on charging low prices and I'll carry on with my premium prices (premium service also) and you will have a low paying round, and I will have a high paying one!!! Simple as that!!!! ;)
You carry talking rubbish RoundDog to try and look big (failing though), and I'll carry on living in the real world and telling it like it is. ;)
Isnt £300 a day possible then?
Yes it is,those that say otherwise don`t earn it.
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I reckon if i put £500 a day someone is going to claim it. What a forum! ::)
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Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
The kind of households that I target would laugh at the idea of £15 an hour being a good job!! ;D I rarely see many of the husbands in a lot of the areas I work, because they work very late or are away on business a lot, on average they earn between £500 to £1000 a day, and some much much more!!! ;)
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You carry talking rubbish RoundDog to try and look big (failing though), and I'll carry on living in the real world and telling it like it is. ;)
Squealer I must be doing something right as I have a very full round with over 400 customers all prepared to pay my prices! And you are forever moaning that you haven't got enough customers or you are losing customers ect ect, perhaps you should listen to some advice from other more successful members of this forum!! If I were you I would start by adopting a more positive attitude to life and business!!! ;)
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Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
The kind of households that I target would laugh at the idea of £15 an hour being a good job!! ;D I rarely see many of the husbands in a lot of the areas I work, because they work very late or are away on business a lot, on average they earn between £500 to £1000 a day, and some much much more!!! ;)
Hello Groundhog,
I just tried searching your location because I'd like to know what area you work where the hourly rate for the majority is that high, just out of interest and a bit of jealousy I suppose. I have to work for a living as the south west may be a tourism area but the wage is one of the lowest in this country unfortunately.
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my daddys bigger than your daddy so there........ what a load of nonsense ::) ::) ::) ::)
the shrude amongst us do this :-X :-X :-X with threads like this on a public forum.....
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Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
The kind of households that I target would laugh at the idea of £15 an hour being a good job!! ;D I rarely see many of the husbands in a lot of the areas I work, because they work very late or are away on business a lot, on average they earn between £500 to £1000 a day, and some much much more!!! ;)
they must be window cleaners aswell then
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is there a lot of money in key cutting matt??
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Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
The kind of households that I target would laugh at the idea of £15 an hour being a good job!! ;D I rarely see many of the husbands in a lot of the areas I work, because they work very late or are away on business a lot, on average they earn between £500 to £1000 a day, and some much much more!!! ;)
they must be window cleaners aswell then
No they are not window cleaners, one of my customers owns a massive pharmeceutical business, some are investment bankers, many are consultants of one kind or another, I also work for a few doctors and a couple of surgeons. Most of them work very hard and long hours and deserve every penny they get. The point I am trying to get accross is that we as window cleaners barely scratch the surface were money is concerned, and we should not feel guilty about trying to earn a decent living if we are prepared to work hard and offer a fantastic service to our customers!
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You carry talking rubbish RoundDog to try and look big (failing though), and I'll carry on living in the real world and telling it like it is. ;)
Squealer I must be doing something right as I have a very full round with over 400 customers all prepared to pay my prices! And you are forever moaning that you haven't got enough customers or you are losing customers ect ect, perhaps you should listen to some advice from other more successful members of this forum!! If I were you I would start by adopting a more positive attitude to life and business!!! ;)
So if I double or treble all my prices I'll have more customers? ???
What planet are you on?
Planet dreamland?
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Squealer I must be doing something right as I have a very full round with over 400 customers all prepared to pay my prices! And you are forever moaning that you haven't got enough customers or you are losing customers ect ect, perhaps you should listen to some advice from other more successful members of this forum!! If I were you I would start by adopting a more positive attitude to life and business!!! ;)
is this the same round that you used to do trad? or do you have a trad round and a wfp round ???
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Householders are not that stupid in general, their husbands probably earn around £15 an hour for a good job so they are hardly going to pay £60 an hour for a window clean are they?
The kind of households that I target would laugh at the idea of £15 an hour being a good job!! ;D I rarely see many of the husbands in a lot of the areas I work, because they work very late or are away on business a lot, on average they earn between £500 to £1000 a day, and some much much more!!! ;)
they must be window cleaners aswell then
No they are not window cleaners, one of my customers owns a massive pharmeceutical business, some are investment bankers, many are consultants of one kind or another, I also work for a few doctors and a couple of surgeons. Most of them work very hard and long hours and deserve every penny they get. The point I am trying to get accross is that we as window cleaners barely scratch the surface were money is concerned, and we should not feel guilty about trying to earn a decent living if we are prepared to work hard and offer a fantastic service to our customers!
Agree 100% with all your posts on this one,it sounds like we run our businesses in a similar way.
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Oh, i didn't realise that people on five grand a day lived on large estates in four bed run of the mill houses. I must bang my prices up tomorrow. ::)
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Oh, i didn't realise that people on five grand a day lived on large estates in four bed run of the mill houses. I must bang my prices up tomorrow. ::)
5 K a day, they must have ditched the consultants job / surgeons job etc etc and taken up window cleaning
1 step up the ladder of success
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Agree 100% with all your posts on this one,it sounds like we run our businesses in a similar way.
Thanks for your support on this NWH :) I was beginning to feel very alone on this one! :( I am not intending to brag or boast, but to inspire and help others on this forum! But I am coming to the conclusion that I am wasting my time, and it is obvious that certain people on hear are beyond help.
Why are so many of you so quick to put someone down if they say that they are doing well ??? When I hear about someone being successful in business I listen carefully to what they have to say, and try and learn from them. Perhaps that is why I am doing better than certain other people on here! Anyway I have decided not to post any more on this subject as squeaky and co are obviously quite happy how they are, and are not interested in learning anything from other more successful window cleaners.
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Squealer I must be doing something right as I have a very full round with over 400 customers all prepared to pay my prices! And you are forever moaning that you haven't got enough customers or you are losing customers ect ect, perhaps you should listen to some advice from other more successful members of this forum!! If I were you I would start by adopting a more positive attitude to life and business!!! ;)
is this the same round that you used to do trad? or do you have a trad round and a wfp round ???
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So that's 400 jobs at an average of say £30 a job thats what...........um £12,000 a month throw in a few gutter cleans and some conservatory cleans and that might bring it up to a decent wage. Nah, i'll stick to brain surgery thanks.
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Agree 100% with all your posts on this one,it sounds like we run our businesses in a similar way.
Thanks for your support on this NWH :) I was beginning to feel very alone on this one! :( I am not intending to brag or boast, but to inspire and help others on this forum! But I am coming to the conclusion that I am wasting my time, and it is obvious that certain people on hear are beyond help.
Why are so many of you so quick to put someone down if they say that they are doing well ??? When I hear about someone being successful in business I listen carefully to what they have to say, and try and learn from them. Perhaps that is why I am doing better than certain other people on here! Anyway I have decided not to post any more on this subject as squeaky and co are obviously quite happy how they are, and are not interested in learning anything from other more successful window cleaners.
I never said I was happy as I am.
I'm just not going to take any notice of people spouting rubbish on a forum.
I'll take notice of people who are doing better than I am, not anonymous people on a forum who tell everyone they make £2 per minute. ::)
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Again ,is this the same round that you did trad or are these new customers ???
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So that's 400 jobs at an average of say £30 a job thats what...........um £12,000 a month throw in a few gutter cleans and some conservatory cleans and that might bring it up to a decent wage. Nah, i'll stick to brain surgery thanks.
Dickhead!!!
If thats your attitude Squeaky then why do you bother using this forum so much?
By the way I have decided to stop wasting my time on this forum, I'm fed up with being insulted by idiots like these two jokers. GOODBYE :'(
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Squeeky do you know for a fact groundhog was lying??
Mark
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Somewhere between Groundhog's (come back to the forum , I'm not too proud to say I learn some good ideas from you) "pearls before swine" and Squeaky's "Oh woe is me!" attitude lies the truth for me.
£300 a day for me is not easy - it's a once a month, jobs lined up nicely kind of day. £200 tho' yep whenever I want to work solidly for seven/eight hours with a fifteen minute lunch break and eating snacks on the go, then I'll hit that.
But at my age/level of fitness/type of round, I'd be hard pressed to do that for five days on the trot without needing to sleep for a day! One/two days and then an easy day, no problem!
And so I prune and improve and prune and improve my round.
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is there a lot of money in key cutting matt??
i missed this
its a joke, i dont really cut keys
the joke was :
i have a DIY system
tuppence clean called a DIY system a " cobbled together system "
thus, cobbers also cut keys
thus the joke
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Crikey, why do these subjects get so out of hand? Just read the very first post - quite simple. But it's no good bragging on here when the figures don't add up. Some people earn very good money - fair play to them but give it some thought before spouting numbers and earnings that don't make any sense. As Squeaky said keep it real!
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The market where we work dictates our maximum wage we can charge if we have the confidence and the amount of work that we can afford to qoute high when we are in that zone. To those out of that maximum work zone, with less confidence, they will nearly always quote lower because they require the work more than someone who has a full round.
I am always keen to learn from others who are earning well who care to share their tips and advice so that I can aspire to reach their level of income.
I have learnt how to recognise the good and the potentially bad customers right from the very start.
I have reached the level where my quoting acceptance/refusal is about right in proportion to the number of quotes I give.
I am forever constantly using different new poles (because they are slimmer or lighter or something else, etc.
I use a hot WFP van mount system as I find it much quicker than a trolley, (which I use occassionally on a few places with access problems).
I try out different brushes, hoses, jets, etc.
I try various methods of scrubbing, rinsing.
I am always trying something different on a very regular basis.
I need to target more commercial & affluent areas and think about advertising and what's best.
Occassionally I get bored reading the same questions/answers/problems on this forum but I have to remember I was asking those very same things a couple years ago so I try to post whenever I can to help those who are new to this. I have learnt a lot from the experience of others from this site.
I keep thinking I can't get any faster or improve on my round but I do all the time.
Staying positive and keeping an open mind to new ideas from here is always refreshing.
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Squeeky do you know for a fact groundhog was lying??
Mark
Charging people £2 per minute?
Oh come on, £30+ for a 15 minute house?
Most of his customers make £500-1000 a day?
Lets have a reality check here. ;D
Yes £300 in day is feasible, as I know people who have done much more (on commercial work).
But a typical domestic day on average houses? Yeah right. ;)
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Don't get so wound up, take "money men" with a pinch of salt. it's easy to realise who's talking rubbish by reading their posts & previous posts. e.g. they earn 300 quid a day but- want a bigger van & hot system etc.(but never get one) then they'll post- where's cheapest place to buy..... etc. they kind of contradict themselfes ( & i have a very good memory ;))
The genuine 300 quid a dayers wouldn't post in the manor above, it's quite amusing i find ;)
DJW, if 13 quid is right for that job in that area then good on you mate, I could quote you all my best paying jobs then come on here & spout about how much i earn & how much you should be earning, but i don't & you know why, because it doesn't give a true reflection of my whole round. Very, very, few w/c'ers have a whole round of top paying work, oh yes, i've met them & talked to them before, they give a good account by mouth but in EVERY case in my experience their rounds turn out to be just the same as most peoples- some top jobs, some good jobs, then some average jobs but they only talk about the very best jobs they have ::)
Tony
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Yep, i agree with that Tony. I'm not wound up at all, i know my pricing is generally ok and like you i have better paying jobs and a couple of worse paying jobs. Funny how it's the same types that get so wound up in the end?
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i agree...£30 a house with 400 custies ...or even £18 a house with 400 custies he would need to be vat registered ....so £30..would then be over £35.... some people need to think before they type ;D
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Alan, c'mon mate. Different areas different prices.
No, I wouldn't dream of getting out of the van for £8, minimum price for new custies is £13. Have I earned £300 a day here in Surrey? Domestic? Yes, once. And if I schedule my best paying jobs on one day that I can do that. And that's traditional. But generally speaking on a relatively good day, like 9 to 3 or so, a £150, or £200 or so on a full day 8:30 to 5. I can only imagine that with wfp, that'll be easily done.
Am I a liar? If you really want to think that way, okay. Really I have no problem with it. But just think that prices per hour are higher here, and people want to pay however much seemingly. I've been doing it for 1,5 year and haven't had a cancellation due to cost.
Really Alan, I can tell you right here, that I'm not lying. I really really do not have any reason to. :-\ :)
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GQ I'm not aiming at you, I can well believe someone making 150/200 a day down south, even trad. Its the rubbish about 30quid a house and 400 customers that really took me to the fair.
Whilst its undenyable there's a difference in prices across Britain I really can't see how a 3 bed semi here can be £6 to £8 whereas somewhere down south its £25
There's no real difference in the cost of living either, average house price here is £200k+ which I believe is similar to most of England.
I've posted an item about a 45ft pole, not because I'm worried about price (although I will still shop around) but more because I'm after the best pole I can get for the money, which is why I think the facelift will prob come out tops, but then you get these ones saying they make a million quid a year yet they still ask 'where's the cheapest place for resin'
GQC you've got to see where I'm coming from.
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We have friends who live in the New Forest, they have a modest 3 bed semi, no conservatory and they get charged £15 to have their windows cleaned monthly.
If the same house was up here (Northumberland) we would be charging them £8.00
A 4 bed detatched house with conservatory up here, max £15 - £20
That's the main difference.
We have 4 lads (two teams) full time window cleaning and well over 1000 properties, using both WFP and trad, can a team do £600/day? No way, not up here anyway.
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I did a detached house yesterday for £35.00....a Dr's house...it took me just 35/40 minutes to clean...
But that wasn't 12 or 13 windows!
It has a big conservatory and about 25 UPVC windows, and I think that is good money.
I was actually thinking about this thread as I was cleaning it, I could have done 3 detached houses with only 12 windows per house in that time, how on earth, anywhere in the country can you possibly get away with charging £30 for an average estate house?
Even trad and on a round fairly spaced out, if you had a day with houses of this kind, you could knock out 20 of them in a day, and comfortably too, if your round was all priced to a similar structure (highly unlikely) you would be doing £500 - £600 every day...and that is just for a trad window cleaner!!!!!!!!! :o
Sigh ::)
Ian
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In my opinion people that earn £300 per day on this forum don’t brag about it,
As i have always stated an open forum is not the place to discuss your earnings.
In a nutshell those that brag about earning such figures should be taken with a pinch of salt and just humour them (as the majority of them live in a dream world)
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In my opinion people that earn £300 per day on this forum don’t brag about it,
As i have always stated an open forum is not the place to discuss your earnings.
In a nutshell those that brag about earning such figures should be taken with a pinch of salt and just humour them (as the majority of them live in a dream world)
I do wish that it was achievable for me every day. I have managed it before but only on a handful of occasions. Now the daylight is longer, I may even manage it again when I do my plum work. Theoretically, if I can do it in a longish day on a few parts of my round, then I could also do it on the rest of the round if I took the trouble to go out there and get more, good paying work. In reality, it doesn't seem to be that way.
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Some days i can do £500 on my own
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Good points Shiner - Tosh put it well when he said that you need to look at a weeks earnings for a realistic figure - yes you might have a 300 in there and a 200 but add in the rained off, nip down the bank, collect the kids from school, do the shopping (or sat on here at 9.15 in the morning ;D) and I reckon an average s/employed w/c on wfp might not have a £1500 week! ;D
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Good points Shiner - Tosh put it well when he said that you need to look at a weeks earnings for a realistic figure - yes you might have a 300 in there and a 200 but add in the rained off, nip down the bank, collect the kids from school, do the shopping and I reckon an average s/employed w/c on wfp might not have a £1500 week! ;D
Looking at the annual turnover is a more accurate picture as well Dave. If I were to try to get a load of big turnover days in quick succession, the quality of my life would be less as I would be too knackered to enjoy it. When I've done a few big days beforee, I've ended up following it with one or two much easier days to recover.
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Commercial I can get £300 no problem but unfortunately only have 5 or 6 days commercial a month.
I've got one unbelievable day of £500 residential customers. Houses between £35 and £45. But thats a freak day. Otherwise its between 200-250. Its taken me a while and I'm fussy about who I take on but I think it pays off in the long run. And i only do 3-4 days a week.
I dont think Groundhog is talking rubbish and can understand why he got upset also I find Squeaky the most annoying person on here.
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I dont think Groundhog is talking rubbish and can understand why he got upset also I find Squeaky the most annoying person on here.
Surely not ;D
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there are ways and means of getting your point accross, ground hog just sounded arrogant and was very brash, it kind of felt like he was rubbing peoples noses in it, as someone has already said why do you need to publicise your earnings. being humble is the best way, no need for anyone to know what your earning, your achievments should speak for themselves.
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Commercial I can get £300 no problem but unfortunately only have 5 or 6 days commercial a month.
I've got one unbelievable day of £500 residential customers. Houses between £35 and £45. But thats a freak day. Otherwise its between 200-250. Its taken me a while and I'm fussy about who I take on but I think it pays off in the long run. And i only do 3-4 days a week.
I dont think Groundhog is talking rubbish and can understand why he got upset also I find Squeaky the most annoying person on here.
What? Just because I didn't believe his over-inflated rubbish?
I don't believe your's either, so I hope that annoys you too.
I think if you look through this thread properly, a lot of people agreed with me.
I was neither offensive nor condescending.
Take your frustrations out on someone else please. >:(
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personally, i think Squeaky is what this place needs
he keeps it real and doesnt blow his own trumpet that much, he lets others know his problems with people dropping him etc etc ( on this note, if it wasnt for him, i would by reading all the posts think it went like this ) :
winodw cleaner buys a van
window cleaner buys a WFP system
window cleaner goes from earning 100 - 150 a day trad to 500 a day wfp
work just happens to increase at the same time to allow him to do this, afterall its 5 X his old cleaning times, thus 1 week trad = 1 day wfp, oh and you can automatically charge 30 quid for a 15 quid job
keep it real Squeaky
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I've got one unbelievable day of £500 residential customers.
TDW, didn't you say this last year:
QUOTE BY TDW:
Dont be misled by those who say can earn triple that. I read a while back about someone on here who reckoned he did £600. No one does that but £200 is excellent.
In this thread:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=30134.0
So your best day now is £500, yet only last year you said you read a post from someone who reckoned he did £600!
So there's only a £100 quids difference between reality and waffle?
I can smell something...
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I've got one unbelievable day of £500 residential customers.
TDW, didn't you say this last year:
QUOTE BY TDW:
Dont be misled by those who say can earn triple that. I read a while back about someone on here who reckoned he did £600. No one does that but £200 is excellent.
In this thread:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=30134.0
So your best day now is £500, yet only last year you said you read a post from someone who reckoned he did £600!
So there's only a £100 quids difference between reality and waffle?
I can smell something...
tosh, its only 10 X 4 bed houses
10 X 4 bed houses = 300 quid
get them done in a extra hour or so :P :P
its beliveable
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£30 sounds about right to me for a 4 bed detached! I wouldn't even bother getting out of the van for £13!!!!
I have plenty of bog standard new style 4 bed det 15 mins each to clean (wfp), many next to each other and charge £10 each. The parts of my round like this give me £35-£40 p/hr. If houses are further apart then maybe a little more to keep the hourly rate.
£30 for one of these idon't think so, or if so you won't get many, you will soon get a bad name for ripping people off and will pay heavily in the long run. With prices like this, soon you would not have to bother getting out of the van at all.
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£30 sounds about right to me for a 4 bed detached! I wouldn't even bother getting out of the van for £13!!!!
With prices like this, soon you would not have to bother getting out of the van at all.
dont write that
the next post will be
i can squirt water from my van and earn 40 quid a 4 bed house, i dont even have to leave my van :P :P
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It is possible to clean windows from inside your van, i've seen the advert on telly and i'm getting one :)
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Following on from the original post i went back today to the same estate to follow up a quote i did the same day. This was a big modern detatched house possibly a five bed. Double bay windows on the front with windows in between too. I pushed the boat out on this one and quoted £16. Saw the lady today and she said no thanks it's more than i'm prepared to pay. I didn't haggle because i wouldn't do it for less.
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I can do over £600 in a day
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I can do over £600 in a day
'I' or 'we' can do £600 in a day, on what type of work?
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I can
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I can
I can or I do? & if so could you do it every day of every week for the rest of your working life?
Tony
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personally, i think Squeaky is what this place needs
he keeps it real and doesnt blow his own trumpet that much, he lets others know his problems with people dropping him etc etc ( on this note, if it wasnt for him, i would by reading all the posts think it went like this ) :
winodw cleaner buys a van
window cleaner buys a WFP system
window cleaner goes from earning 100 - 150 a day trad to 500 a day wfp
work just happens to increase at the same time to allow him to do this, afterall its 5 X his old cleaning times, thus 1 week trad = 1 day wfp, oh and you can automatically charge 30 quid for a 15 quid job
keep it real Squeaky
You can`t blow a trumpet if you don`t have one. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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I have come back to make one last post to set the record straight, as I have been accused of lying and ridiculed by people who obviously have not even bothered to read my posts properly! >:(
Firstly can someone tell me where exactly I have stated that I earn £300 per day? I haven't ever mentioned how much I earn!
Where did I state that my average customer pays £30? I didn't, all I said was that I thought £30 was about right for a 4 bed detached.
Where did I say that all 400 of my customers were monthly accounts? I didn't say that at all, in fact although the majority of my customers are monthly many of them are every other month, and a lot of the larger properties are quarterly.
Where exactly did I brag about my earnings? I didn't I just said that I try to get the best possible price every time I quote for a job, and I tried to explain how I do this to maybe help someone else who is less confident than me when dealing with potential customers.
When putting a reply onto this forum I would advise you all to carefully read all the other posts first, don't just read the last couple and assume that just because squeaky or djw say that someone has said something that they really have, go back and check that it is not just something that they have invented or exagerated!
I have enjoyed most of my time on this forum, but this has been the final straw for me, being called a liar and ridiculed for something I never even said. I think it is time for me to move on to another more grown up forum. Maybe I will see some of you at Windex, and I will buy you a beer or something and you will see that I'm not such a bad bloke after all! ;)
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Groundhog, i see your a newbie, don't be afraid to ask for advice i'm sure we can help you out on here. ;)
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I can do over £600 in a day
There ya go!!!! .... Is it Mr Morris's turn to be pulled to bits now????
From my point of view that post does look like a statement of fact rather than a hair brained hypothesis.
Mark
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I have come back to make one last post to set the record straight, as I have been accused of lying and ridiculed by people who obviously have not even bothered to read my posts properly! >:(
Firstly can someone tell me where exactly I have stated that I earn £300 per day? I haven't ever mentioned how much I earn!
Where did I state that my average customer pays £30? I didn't, all I said was that I thought £30 was about right for a 4 bed detached.
Where did I say that all 400 of my customers were monthly accounts? I didn't say that at all, in fact although the majority of my customers are monthly many of them are every other month, and a lot of the larger properties are quarterly.
Where exactly did I brag about my earnings? I didn't I just said that I try to get the best possible price every time I quote for a job, and I tried to explain how I do this to maybe help someone else who is less confident than me when dealing with potential customers.
When putting a reply onto this forum I would advise you all to carefully read all the other posts first, don't just read the last couple and assume that just because squeaky or djw say that someone has said something that they really have, go back and check that it is not just something that they have invented or exagerated!
I have enjoyed most of my time on this forum, but this has been the final straw for me, being called a liar and ridiculed for something I never even said. I think it is time for me to move on to another more grown up forum. Maybe I will see some of you at Windex, and I will buy you a beer or something and you will see that I'm not such a bad bloke after all! ;)
How can you state that 30 quid is about right for a 4 bed detatched? have you seen how many different types of 4 bed detatched exsist in this country? + would 30 quid still be about right if you had all 20 4 bed detatched in a row?
You didn't say that all your accounts were monthly & that's your mistake, people assume (by the nature of yours & others posts) that all your work is top rate, which, we all know is very doubtfull, So, to be honest, you're at fault for not giving the full picture & only beating on about your very best priced work & posting blanket statements when "money posts" come up.
There is a MASSIVE difference between what an established w/c who doesn't actually need any more work would charge & that of a new/newish starter who needs all the work he can get & stiil has all his bills to pay. I'm not saying anybody should work for nothing or even for cheap BUT the subject needs to be kept real for everyone's sake. ;)
Tony
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Sorry dude but the time has come ;D
Every money post you're there giving it large, every van post you're there going yeah buy new, buy big etc. etc. every hot topic (now) & you're there again stating how you're going hot etc. etc
According to you, you should be earning 2k a week, driving a brand new vivario (the perfect wfp van, in your own words) & have a top notch hot system!
But, you drive a connect, have only a cold wfp & god only knows what you earn?
This is where the wheat gets sorted from the chaffe i'm afraid. It just does not add up ::)
Regreatably, Tony
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yeah and after ooking through all those back posts where you called wfp a bogbrush.
sorry mate, I'm with Tony on this.
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I have come back to make one last post to set the record straight, as I have been accused of lying and ridiculed by people who obviously have not even bothered to read my posts properly! >:(
Firstly can someone tell me where exactly I have stated that I earn £300 per day? I haven't ever mentioned how much I earn!
Where did I state that my average customer pays £30? I didn't, all I said was that I thought £30 was about right for a 4 bed detached.
Where did I say that all 400 of my customers were monthly accounts? I didn't say that at all, in fact although the majority of my customers are monthly many of them are every other month, and a lot of the larger properties are quarterly.
Where exactly did I brag about my earnings? I didn't I just said that I try to get the best possible price every time I quote for a job, and I tried to explain how I do this to maybe help someone else who is less confident than me when dealing with potential customers.
When putting a reply onto this forum I would advise you all to carefully read all the other posts first, don't just read the last couple and assume that just because squeaky or djw say that someone has said something that they really have, go back and check that it is not just something that they have invented or exagerated!
I have enjoyed most of my time on this forum, but this has been the final straw for me, being called a liar and ridiculed for something I never even said. I think it is time for me to move on to another more grown up forum. Maybe I will see some of you at Windex, and I will buy you a beer or something and you will see that I'm not such a bad bloke after all! ;)
groundhog, dont go m8, some people dont like it thats all,
most guys on here are nice blokes, there is the odd muppet I agree but most are good guys.
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Sorry dude but the time has come ;D
Every money post you're there giving it large, every van post you're there going yeah buy new, buy big etc. etc. every hot topic (now) & you're there again stating how you're going hot etc. etc
According to you, you should be earning 2k a week, driving a brand new vivario (the perfect wfp van, in your own words) & have a top notch hot system!
But, you drive a connect, have only a cold wfp & god only knows what you earn?
This is where the wheat gets sorted from the chaffe i'm afraid. It just does not add up ::)
Regreatably, Tony
And a bit more while i'm on a rant, you often forget to mention that your round is, what? 40 years old or something? your dad set it up years ago? ask your dad if when he first set out he was charging 3x the average price ;) & what it was like back then when he first started, you may get a wee insight into reality. ;)
Tony
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Ground hog mate, I'm envious, I wish I could get your prices. Well maybe I could but I haven't got the balls to ask for them.
I go and look at a new job, and I think mmm, £20, I go round again to make sure. OK £20 it is. I go and tell her the price, "it will be £15 with the conservatory". she is happy with my price, I'm thinking, who said that? It was £20, I had worked out the price at £20, but my mouth has suddenly developed a mind of it's own. Now I'm too old to kick myself in the mouth, but that's what I feel like doing.
In that split second between my brain saying "20 and my mouth saying 15 the gremlin has stepped in and said she'll never pay that round here.
I have more than enough work. I have nothing to lose by asking for a higher price, I also have a conscience that hangs like a millstone around my neck.
The self perceived or probably misconceived image of honest Dai has cost me dear over the years. it has lead me to undersell myself out of fear of ripping someone off.
We are all different.
Would I like more money? of course I would, but I think I'm happy, and know I'm lucky, and feel satisfied with a £120 day. How do you put a price on contentment? Dai
PS I once knew a girl that could make £500 a day without getting out of bed
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I can do over £600 in a day
There ya go!!!! .... Is it Mr Morris's turn to be pulled to bits now????
From my point of view that post does look like a statement of fact rather than a hair brained hypothesis.
Mark
I can or I do? & if so could you do it every day of every week for the rest of your working life?
No doubt dave can earn that amount in 1 day but i'm still waiting for a reply to the above. Don't drift off into dreamland just yet davo ;)
Tony
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my personal experience of earning £300.00 a day is this and you can choose to believe it or not , i have been in this business ( i think some of you forget it is a business and not a charity ) for just over a year all this time wfp , i had no customers when i first started and now have nearly 300 but as you can imagine its quite spread out , i personally have earnt in excess of £ 300.00 a day on 7 occasions all recently and i expect this to happen with more regularity as my business compacts , my price for a 4 bed house ranges from £22.00 upwards , this is obviously a north south divide thing because if you live in the south and you,ve got the magic broom and you,ve not earnt £300.00 a day atleast a few times its because you like your pit too much ( i,m guilty of it myself ) so to rap this up if you want to earn £300.00 a day get a pole move south and ask a decent price for your work ( and yes there are still idiots who charge a fiver round here ) regards alan
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my personal experience of earning £300.00 a day is this and you can choose to believe it or not , i have been in this business ( i think some of you forget it is a business and not a charity ) for just over a year all this time wfp , i had no customers when i first started and now have nearly 300 but as you can imagine its quite spread out , i personally have earnt in excess of £ 300.00 a day on 7 occasions all recently and i expect this to happen with more regularity as my business compacts , my price for a 4 bed house ranges from £22.00 upwards , this is obviously a north south divide thing because if you live in the south and you,ve got the magic broom and you,ve not earnt £300.00 a day atleast a few times its because you like your pit too much ( i,m guilty of it myself ) so to rap this up if you want to earn £300.00 a day get a pole move south and ask a decent price for your work ( and yes there are still idiots who charge a fiver round here ) regards alan
Rubbish again.
I live down south and have a pole.
You couldn't get more than 12-15 quid for a standard 4-bed around here, just ask Tosh or Ian.
£300 on domestics is pure fantasy to 99.99% of window cleaners, sorry.
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Sorry dude but the time has come ;D
Every money post you're there giving it large, every van post you're there going yeah buy new, buy big etc. etc. every hot topic (now) & you're there again stating how you're going hot etc. etc
According to you, you should be earning 2k a week, driving a brand new vivario (the perfect wfp van, in your own words) & have a top notch hot system!
But, you drive a connect, have only a cold wfp & god only knows what you earn?
This is where the wheat gets sorted from the chaffe i'm afraid. It just does not add up ::)
Regreatably, Tony
And a bit more while i'm on a rant, you often forget to mention that your round is, what? 40 years old or something? your dad set it up years ago? ask your dad if when he first set out he was charging 3x the average price ;) & what it was like back then when he first started, you may get a wee insight into reality. ;)
Tony
Tony Tony Tony i only wish you lived nearer to me mate so i could take you out and show you the score,yes my dad did start the business and like i said in a few of them back posts i did indeed sort out the wheat from the chaff as you so put it,and as for the van i got off of Ebay in a moment of madness as it was a good deal and no VAT to pay.If i wanted to i could buy a new van tomorrow and that`s not bragging i`m just responding to your previous posts,and as for the hot i ordered it this afternoon for the middle of april when the 100% is claimable for it.I see absolutly no point forum or not in bragging if you new me you would know that it`s not my style,i was simply saying that or meaning to say that somethings quoted on here are possible and because some people then start getting on there backs when they say it they have enough and leave or stop posting.Certain people are going to say that figures asked about are possible of course they are if there acheiving them day in day out,anyway that`s my little rant over no offense my facelift brother lots of love NWHxxx.
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Sorry dude but the time has come ;D
Every money post you're there giving it large, every van post you're there going yeah buy new, buy big etc. etc. every hot topic (now) & you're there again stating how you're going hot etc. etc
According to you, you should be earning 2k a week, driving a brand new vivario (the perfect wfp van, in your own words) & have a top notch hot system!
But, you drive a connect, have only a cold wfp & god only knows what you earn?
This is where the wheat gets sorted from the chaffe i'm afraid. It just does not add up ::)
Regreatably, Tony
And a bit more while i'm on a rant, you often forget to mention that your round is, what? 40 years old or something? your dad set it up years ago? ask your dad if when he first set out he was charging 3x the average price ;) & what it was like back then when he first started, you may get a wee insight into reality. ;)
Tony
Tony Tony Tony i only wish you lived nearer to me mate so i could take you out and show you the score,yes my dad did start the business and like i said in a few of them back posts i did indeed sort out the wheat from the chaff as you so put it,and as for the van i got off of Ebay in a moment of madness as it was a good deal and no VAT to pay.If i wanted to i could buy a new van tomorrow and that`s not bragging i`m just responding to your previous posts,and as for the hot i ordered it this afternoon for the middle of april when the 100% is claimable for it.I see absolutly no point forum or not in bragging if you new me you would know that it`s not my style,i was simply saying that or meaning to say that somethings quoted on here are possible and because some people then start getting on there backs when they say it they have enough and leave or stop posting.Certain people are going to say that figures asked about are possible of course they are if there acheiving them day in day out,anyway that`s my little rant over no offense my facelift brother lots of love NWHxxx.
love the facelift part there bless
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Tony
You are absolutely right
No way can i do £600 every day , but it is achievable with the work i have got.
The biggest reason why you couldnt do that amount more than once a week is that it will kill you.
You wont feel like getting out of bed the next day but if you did you wont feel like working.
I reckon earning £300 a day on your own will take its toll on your body and ou wont keep the pace up very long.
Even £200 is pushing it, how many guys here who do £200 monday , tuesday and wendesday keep the same enthusiasm for the last 2 days of the week , do they bounce out of bed or do they pull the duvet cover back over there weary bodies.
Dave
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no offence squeeky but i work in the royal tunbridge wells area and you live in south wales i should have been a little more specific about living in the south lol
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Tony
You are absolutely right
No way can i do £600 every day , but it is achievable with the work i have got.
The biggest reason why you couldnt do that amount more than once a week is that it will kill you.
You wont feel like getting out of bed the next day but if you did you wont feel like working.
I reckon earning £300 a day on your own will take its toll on your body and ou wont keep the pace up very long.
Even £200 is pushing it, how many guys here who do £200 monday , tuesday and wendesday keep the same enthusiasm for the last 2 days of the week , do they bounce out of bed or do they pull the duvet cover back over there weary bodies.
Dave
At last, I'm glad you posted that dave, it gives a more realistic perspective. This is more beneficial to most than just quoting " i can earn 600 in a day" (no offence).
It's too easy to just quote a highest possible days earnings which may leave others thinking they are doing something drasticly wrong & even make them feel demoralised cos' they only earned 150 quid today!
Tony
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my personal experience of earning £300.00 a day is this and you can choose to believe it or not , i have been in this business ( i think some of you forget it is a business and not a charity ) for just over a year all this time wfp , i had no customers when i first started and now have nearly 300 but as you can imagine its quite spread out , i personally have earnt in excess of £ 300.00 a day on 7 occasions all recently and i expect this to happen with more regularity as my business compacts , my price for a 4 bed house ranges from £22.00 upwards , this is obviously a north south divide thing because if you live in the south and you,ve got the magic broom and you,ve not earnt £300.00 a day atleast a few times its because you like your pit too much ( i,m guilty of it myself ) so to rap this up if you want to earn £300.00 a day get a pole move south and ask a decent price for your work ( and yes there are still idiots who charge a fiver round here ) regards alan
Hi Alan we will have to meet up,i work in T.Wells area daily.This is the thing and as your right in my area you`ll know the score,if i was charging the likes of 12-£15 for such houses they wouldn`t take me on because they would think it wasn`t possible they would think i was just trying to get my foot in the door to suss it out for burglary or something,now i know someone on this thread is right on my doorstep workwise you know exactly what is possible in the right areas and £12 for a 4 bed detatched is laughable down south.
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no offence squeeky but i work in the royal tunbridge wells area and you live in south wales i should have been a little more specific about living in the south lol
It's wrong though really isn't it?
I live in Chepstow, not deepest darkest Newport, and our house prices are among the highest in Britain outside of West London.(official).
It's no more expensive in your area for living, I've got family near Heathfield, and had a look in the estate agents.
Yet we can't get prices that you can. :(
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Tony
It was meant tongue in cheek with all the inflated posts , i dont use enough smileys i just assume people can read my mind.
I dont know what people are scared of, the wise and hard working always float to the top.
Dont be scared of extra competition , embrace it and see it has a challenge.
Have you seen the house building program in this country, also the amount of conservatories going up.
Dave
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Tony
You are absolutely right
No way can i do £600 every day , but it is achievable with the work i have got.
The biggest reason why you couldnt do that amount more than once a week is that it will kill you.
You wont feel like getting out of bed the next day but if you did you wont feel like working.
I reckon earning £300 a day on your own will take its toll on your body and ou wont keep the pace up very long.
Even £200 is pushing it, how many guys here who do £200 monday , tuesday and wendesday keep the same enthusiasm for the last 2 days of the week , do they bounce out of bed or do they pull the duvet cover back over there weary bodies.
Dave
At last, I'm glad you posted that dave, it gives a more realistic perspective. This is more beneficial to most than just quoting " i can earn 600 in a day" (no offence).
It's too easy to just quote a highest possible days earnings which may leave others thinking they are doing something drasticly wrong & even make them feel demoralised cos' they only earned 150 quid today!
Tony
Tony i could have posted exactly the same statement as Dave did and meant it word for word,it`s funny how people are perceived on forums xxx.
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my personal experience of earning £300.00 a day is this and you can choose to believe it or not , i have been in this business ( i think some of you forget it is a business and not a charity ) for just over a year all this time wfp , i had no customers when i first started and now have nearly 300 but as you can imagine its quite spread out , i personally have earnt in excess of £ 300.00 a day on 7 occasions all recently and i expect this to happen with more regularity as my business compacts , my price for a 4 bed house ranges from £22.00 upwards , this is obviously a north south divide thing because if you live in the south and you,ve got the magic broom and you,ve not earnt £300.00 a day atleast a few times its because you like your pit too much ( i,m guilty of it myself ) so to rap this up if you want to earn £300.00 a day get a pole move south and ask a decent price for your work ( and yes there are still idiots who charge a fiver round here ) regards alan
Hi Alan we will have to meet up,i work in T.Wells area daily.This is the thing and as your right in my area you`ll know the score,if i was charging the likes of 12-£15 for such houses they wouldn`t take me on because they would think it wasn`t possible they would think i was just trying to get my foot in the door to suss it out for burglary or something,now i know someone on this thread is right on my doorstep workwise you know exactly what is possible in the right areas and £12 for a 4 bed detatched is laughable down south.
So you do agree then that your prices won't apply to the vast majority of uses of this site?
Tony
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Tony
It was meant tongue in cheek with all the inflated posts , i dont use enough smileys i just assume people can read my mind.
I dont know what people are scared of, the wise and hard working always float to the top.
Dont be scared of extra competition , embrace it and see it has a challenge.
Have you seen the house building program in this country, also the amount of conservatories going up.
Dave
;D ;D ;D
I can't help but try & keep a real perspective for the sake of the less fortunate :o
Tony
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no offence squeeky but i work in the royal tunbridge wells area and you live in south wales i should have been a little more specific about living in the south lol
It's wrong though really isn't it?
I live in Chepstow, not deepest darkest Newport, and our house prices are among the highest in Britain outside of West London.(official).
It's no more expensive in your area for living, I've got family near Heathfield, and had a look in the estate agents.
Yet we can't get prices that you can. :(
Sqeaky heathfield is one of the cheapest areas to live outside Tunbridge Wells,you`ll get a house there for £200,000-£250,000.Beleive me outside of Heathfield you`ll be lucky to get housed at all for less than £400,000 if you want just a little bit of garden,surrounding areas of T.wells detatched houses are £650,000 + so when your talking doing these kind of houses for £12-15 it`s a joke,alan will back me up on all i`ve said.
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my personal experience of earning £300.00 a day is this and you can choose to believe it or not , i have been in this business ( i think some of you forget it is a business and not a charity ) for just over a year all this time wfp , i had no customers when i first started and now have nearly 300 but as you can imagine its quite spread out , i personally have earnt in excess of £ 300.00 a day on 7 occasions all recently and i expect this to happen with more regularity as my business compacts , my price for a 4 bed house ranges from £22.00 upwards , this is obviously a north south divide thing because if you live in the south and you,ve got the magic broom and you,ve not earnt £300.00 a day atleast a few times its because you like your pit too much ( i,m guilty of it myself ) so to rap this up if you want to earn £300.00 a day get a pole move south and ask a decent price for your work ( and yes there are still idiots who charge a fiver round here ) regards alan
Hi Alan we will have to meet up,i work in T.Wells area daily.This is the thing and as your right in my area you`ll know the score,if i was charging the likes of 12-£15 for such houses they wouldn`t take me on because they would think it wasn`t possible they would think i was just trying to get my foot in the door to suss it out for burglary or something,now i know someone on this thread is right on my doorstep workwise you know exactly what is possible in the right areas and £12 for a 4 bed detatched is laughable down south.
So you do agree then that your prices won't apply to the vast majority of uses of this site?
Tony
Arrrrrr yeah but that`s not what you said earlier though Tony,you were saying i was telling porkys.
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Tony
You are absolutely right
No way can i do £600 every day , but it is achievable with the work i have got.
The biggest reason why you couldnt do that amount more than once a week is that it will kill you.
You wont feel like getting out of bed the next day but if you did you wont feel like working.
I reckon earning £300 a day on your own will take its toll on your body and ou wont keep the pace up very long.
Even £200 is pushing it, how many guys here who do £200 monday , tuesday and wendesday keep the same enthusiasm for the last 2 days of the week , do they bounce out of bed or do they pull the duvet cover back over there weary bodies.
Dave
At last, I'm glad you posted that dave, it gives a more realistic perspective. This is more beneficial to most than just quoting " i can earn 600 in a day" (no offence).
It's too easy to just quote a highest possible days earnings which may leave others thinking they are doing something drasticly wrong & even make them feel demoralised cos' they only earned 150 quid today!
Tony
Tony i could have posted exactly the same statement as Dave did and meant it word for word,it`s funny how people are perceived on forums xxx.
But you didn't dude & that's my point. if you genuinely want to help people you have to be honest & realistic, not just barge in when a bragging oppertunity arrises. :-*
Tony
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So, is 300 quid a day easy?
Tony
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That`s not what you were saying Tony,you was saying basically that i`m a liar i`ve only got a connect van and have a average round handed down from my dad,couldn`t be further from the truth that.
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Tony when i first started reading your posts you were as blunt as they come and thought of numptyodys feelings newbies or not,i can remember you telling newbies not to buy C*** poles and buy a facelift from the start just like me.Bragging can often be confused with honesty to.
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That`s not what you were saying Tony,you was saying basically that i`m a liar i`ve only got a connect van and have a average round handed down from my dad,couldn`t be further from the truth that.
I'm only going on your words dude, if i'm wrong then tell us what is right. you do only have a connect btw but tell everyone else to buy a brand new vivario. so, where's your brand new vivario? surely on your money it would be brand new transit/vivario etc every 3 years?
Tony
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Don't you see guys, if your cleaning the same amount of houses a day as i do then you must be earning double to treble what i earn which means over £300 a day £1500 a week, heading towards eighty thousand a year not counting any off days. This is what i was trying to put to Groundhog before he exploded. So every windowcleaner in Tunbridge wells would therefore be VAT registered.
When i stated my price at the beginning nobody asked what area i lived in. People like Groundhog just jumped straight in to say they wouldn't even get out of the van for such a poor price. His prices are three times mine so his earnings must be treble mine too?
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Tony when i first started reading your posts you were as blunt as they come and thought of numptyodys feelings newbies or not,i can remember you telling newbies not to buy C*** poles and buy a facelift from the start just like me.Bragging can often be confused with honesty to.
Correct, still stand by it, newbies- don't buy crap poles, buy good ones as these are real investments that make a real difference to your every day working life. where as buying a big new van with a flashy hot wfp system does not bring you in any more work, any quicker than a decent van with a cold diy wfp system. ;)
Tony
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I can do over £600 in a day
There ya go!!!! .... Is it Mr Morris's turn to be pulled to bits now????
From my point of view that post does look like a statement of fact rather than a hair brained hypothesis.
Mark
I can or I do? & if so could you do it every day of every week for the rest of your working life?
No doubt dave can earn that amount in 1 day but i'm still waiting for a reply to the above. Don't drift off into dreamland just yet davo ;)
Tony
Whos in dream land???..... I dont give a monkeys what you earn or dont earn...either way you arent gonna give me any of it are you??
Sometimes the main restriction on your pricing isnt the competition its the doubt in your own mind, just because you know what the cheapest window cleaner may charge in your area doesnt mean the customer does.
It just seams to be the same "realists" on every post who shout down other cleaners and their earnings.
If someone gets more for a job than you, good for them, you base your judgement of the honesty of their post on what you have read in the past. You will either act on the information or you wont.
One last point, many cleaners on here give me the impression that if you charge more than £60 an hour you belong on crimewatch, or trading standards should be notified.
Profit is not a dirty word.
Mark
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That`s not what you were saying Tony,you was saying basically that i`m a liar i`ve only got a connect van and have a average round handed down from my dad,couldn`t be further from the truth that.
I'm only going on your words dude, if i'm wrong then tell us what is right. you do only have a connect btw but tell everyone else to buy a brand new vivario. so, where's your brand new vivario? surely on your money it would be brand new transit/vivario etc every 3 years?
Tony
To be absolutely honest at the moment i`m to busy,i`m going to have to strip out the old van and get it all put in the new one and it`ll take a week in all with speedlining etc,the vivaro or trafic is in my opinion the best van for our work i`ll stick by that statement but like i said i got the connect on a whim there and then so that`s that.I`ll get the new van kitted out when i`m in Antigua for a fortnight LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I would never quote my best day and use that as a standard.
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I would never quote my best day and use that as a standard.
Av said my bit & (although it may not seem like it today) i respect you dude. I'm far from perfect but am compelled to have my rant! :-*
Tony
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Calm down dear its only a forum !" Think the problem with any forum is no one likes a big head ;) We need some one who we can relate to or is like us ( just check out the post that Dai made and all the responses ) windowashers and daveshaw and matt and of course Dai spring to mind . When it gets personal you need to take a time out ;D
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no offence squeeky but i work in the royal tunbridge wells area and you live in south wales i should have been a little more specific about living in the south lol
It's wrong though really isn't it?
I live in Chepstow, not deepest darkest Newport, and our house prices are among the highest in Britain outside of West London.(official).
It's no more expensive in your area for living, I've got family near Heathfield, and had a look in the estate agents.
Yet we can't get prices that you can. :(
Sqeaky heathfield is one of the cheapest areas to live outside Tunbridge Wells,you`ll get a house there for £200,000-£250,000.Beleive me outside of Heathfield you`ll be lucky to get housed at all for less than £400,000 if you want just a little bit of garden,surrounding areas of T.wells detatched houses are £650,000 + so when your talking doing these kind of houses for £12-15 it`s a joke,alan will back me up on all i`ve said.
I didn't actually mean in Heathfield, agreed it's not that special.
In the country near Horam actually, but the prices aren't much different to where I live.
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the question is £300 a day easy no of cousre not its bloody hard work and only acheivable for me if i start at 7.30 on the glass and i also need atleast 1 £50 house and nothing much under £20 and i will be done by 3.30 the thing is like it or not once you,ve done it it raises your expectations , for sure your limitations are set by how young and how fit you are but equally its about your perception of the area you live in and if you,ve got the balls to ask for the top money for that area
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ive never earnt £300 in a day , but reckon it could be done . i have good rounds and not so good but over a year the £s add up . its better than being in a factory , being my own boss is worth more than £300 a day i still make a good living and thats the main thing . :)
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ive never earnt £300 in a day , but reckon it could be done . i have good rounds and not so good but over a year the £s add up . its better than being in a factory , being my own boss is worth more than £300 a day i still make a good living and thats the main thing . :)
exactly ;D ;D enough how much i earned today crap ;D who really cares ???(unless you want some advice about earning more,of course ;D)
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Groundhog i know exactly where your coming from mate and by not coming back on here your only depriving others of your knowledge and wisdom,there`s a couple of people on here that are not anywhere near our dizzy heights of earnings lol and it buggs the hell out of them when they hear that someones earning more,try and let it go mate and don`t rise to the bate that`s what there after just do what i do and sit back and smile. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
here is a pure example of
" look at me, i can earn more then you, thus your not worthy of a place in the window cleaners hall of fame , im better than you "
really sad, it really is
tosh has made a few posts on this thread, your earning in 12 months must have gone through the roof ::) ::)
this place really makes me laugh
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smileys i rarely use........ :-*
clocks change soon....roll on the 4 day week ;)
cheers matt(E)
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Funny that
My earnings have gone through the roof in the last 12 months, same thing happens every year.
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would the mods please lock or remove this awful thread.
some new starts looking at this will be thinking theres something wrong with them for not making a zillion quid a week.
got belinda carlisle on the wireless, she was great wasn't she?