Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cleartech on March 01, 2008, 09:07:34 am
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i use a facelift pole and its lasted 2 years now its taken a lot of battering and is starting to wear in parts.as this is happening ive noticed the clamps dont last as long.is there any pole with a clamp that doesnt need to be replaced
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Superlight 2 ;D
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where would i get one
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i use a facelift pole and its lasted 2 years now its taken a lot of battering and is starting to wear in parts.as this is happening ive noticed the clamps dont last as long.is there any pole with a clamp that doesnt need to be replaced
quick where is tony ? ?? ?
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i use a facelift pole and its lasted 2 years now its taken a lot of battering and is starting to wear in parts.as this is happening ive noticed the clamps dont last as long.is there any pole with a clamp that doesnt need to be replaced
Take a look at this one, no clamps and will be available in June.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_srS3QRPnE&feature=related
Peter
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Peter F, i got one of your poles, atleast i think it is, bought from ebay- the guy said it was new obviously not, but its a nightmare most of the time. Only sometimes does it stay in position when fully extended, sometimes while brushing the windows it will collapse and close by itself, i cant set it at different lengths, sections swivel inside each other, and its a bit long when fully closed, i really dont like it, slows me down, was it designed to only stick when fully extended? you know the little plastic bits at the ends of the poles, could it be these worn why it collapses it self? do you sell replacements?
otherwise im going to send it back and hope he refunds, or sell it on to some poor noob.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290204271447&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019
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Hi Jon,
It is a version of a clamp-less pole I do, it is a standard Universal glass fibre pole with the clamps removed, and a couple of attachments fitted. The guy that bought it has put that brush on though, I wouldn't sell a pole with that brush on it. He could have done some modifications that I can't see in the picture that would make it unworkable.
The pole you have is not the same as the one in the you tube link.
The clamp-less poles I do are not exactly the way I want them and that is why I am buying my own machine to make up the sections exactly how I need them to be. The sections won't turn inside each other, and the pole itself will be lighter and stronger than any other pole on the market.
The fact that the sections turn isn't a problem when you have an autobrush on the pole, but if they don't turn then there will be nothing at all the competition will have negative to say about them.
The reason I said the pole will be available in June is I don't really want to sell any until then, but if someone really wants one they are available. The thing is even although there is a couple of improvements still to be made which I can't overcome until I can make the sections myself, it is still the fastest pole on the market which will pay for itself in a week or two.
Anyone looking for more information on the pole can read about it here...
http://www.window-tools.com/window-cleaning-issues/2008/02/new-pop-up-pole.html
And Jon before you give up on it you can give me a ring on 07751 964 450 any time and I will see if I can get to the bottom of why your pole is not working for you.
Peter
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the pole on ebay looks like a universal pole(if i get the name right) with the clamps removed, rather heavy i would have thought. also peter, ive just read you blog, and im a little amazed at this point, "If your supplier tries to sell you anything else he will be putting his inflated profits before your well being." think the likes of gardiners and other pole suppliers would think very differently. your pole, when made may be good mate, but i think that comment is a little bit too far.
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I don't think so. The time saving with this type of pole is so great that if a supplier doesn't make it available to his customers, he will doing exactly what is stated. The pole will be available to all the suppliers when it is in production.
But if I know suppliers they will cling on to some flaw if they can find one, and make this the excuse for not stocking them so as they can make a bigger profit on something else. I have had experience with suppliers before I became a supplier myself, and after. And I don't mean Alex in the last statement I mean suppliers in general.
The pole you see on eBay is a Universal, and yes it is rather heavy, but it is strong. Not ideal like I said, that is why I need to make the sections myself from scratch.
Peter
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the reason i use alex as an example he is a supplier, and he is about to launch a new pole, so by what your saying, if he does not stock your pole (which i doubt as he is has spent time and money developing his new one, so would be silly to), then he is putting i quote "his inflated profits before your (customers) well being."
or perhaps im reading black & white wrong ;)
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It will be up to him whether he makes them available to his customers or not. I am not going to change any wording which I think to be correct, because some supplier or another has invested heavily in a certain type of pole or another.
I am so confident in my design I am offering a money back guarantee, if you don't do the work in half the time as stated, you will get your money back in full no questions asked. It is up to the individual what they think of any supplier, or any other pole on the market.
I have came across people in my time who have been fascinated in a certain product, and said they would be the first person to buy it should their own supplier stock the item. Now that is customer loyalty for you, with trust in their supplier, but I bet the supplier won't be as loyal to the customer if there was a couple of extra pounds to be had.
Just my views from experience of dealings with some suppliers, and does not by any means reflect the business habits of all suppliers, and all customers.
Peter
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i agree that this pole is quite strong and doesnt flex as much as some fiberglass ones ive used, but if you say that it is a standard pole with the clamps removed, i would much prefer to have the clamps back on there because for whatever reason it is not working very well. Can i buy the clamps for this pole from you peter? The bently brush on it is ok, its quite light, though i would look forward to your new pole once it comes into production i would like to put the clamps back on this one. It should be easy enough to do.
Please email me if you can send me some scwcs@aol.com
thanks
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I have a lot of fun with my clampless kite pole which I have adapted with tape, its quite quick, but tricky.
I just hope Peters even faster pop up pole is available in 4ft or less closed lengths.
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i agree that this pole is quite strong and doesnt flex as much as some fiberglass ones ive used, but if you say that it is a standard pole with the clamps removed, i would much prefer to have the clamps back on there because for whatever reason it is not working very well. Can i buy the clamps for this pole from you peter? The bently brush on it is ok, its quite light, though i would look forward to your new pole once it comes into production i would like to put the clamps back on this one. It should be easy enough to do.
Please email me if you can send me some scwcs@aol.com
thanks
I can send you the clamps for the pole if you want.
I was thinking last night though, are you holding the pole hose and the bottom of the pole at your desired height? as this is what keeps the pole up.
Jeff, it will be available in 4 ft closed lenghts, as that is one of the advantages, the same pole for the tops and bottoms.
Peter
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Yes please, I will have one :) call you when they are launched.
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ok Peter, can you send me the clamps, i will email you address.
I did not use the clear microbore hose that came with it because it wouldnt go through the top hole, and was heavier that what i normally use, i guess it would hold the pole up, but not really ideal, i put some smaller silicone hose in, id look forward to using it with clamps as i did find it quite light and doesnt flex as much as my other 18ft pole. Thanks
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ok Peter, can you send me the clamps, i will email you address.
I did not use the clear microbore hose that came with it because it wouldnt go through the top hole, and was heavier that what i normally use, i guess it would hold the pole up, but not really ideal, i put some smaller silicone hose in, id look forward to using it with clamps as i did find it quite light and doesnt flex as much as my other 18ft pole. Thanks
No problem Jon, and I am glad I found out why the pole dosn't work. It has to be used with the hose supplied. The extra weight in the hose supplied would probably be less than the weight of the clamps.
You should really try it the way it was intended though, it really is a great time saver.
Peter
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I don't think so. The time saving with this type of pole is so great that if a supplier doesn't make it available to his customers, he will doing exactly what is stated. The pole will be available to all the suppliers when it is in production.
But if I know suppliers they will cling on to some flaw if they can find one, and make this the excuse for not stocking them so as they can make a bigger profit on something else. I have had experience with suppliers before I became a supplier myself, and after. And I don't mean Alex in the last statement I mean suppliers in general.
The pole you see on eBay is a Universal, and yes it is rather heavy, but it is strong. Not ideal like I said, that is why I need to make the sections myself from scratch.
Peter
I wouldn't have dreamed of you meaning me Peter :)
The clampless pole, what a great idea. I built myself a 21ft clampless pole, much on the lines of Peter's pole about 2 1/2 years ago (still got it and another in my garage). I used it in my own work for about 4 months, trying out different ideas with it. I didn't think of trying Peter's subsequent idea of using the hose to hold the pole up, rather I developed a fitting that would hold the pole either with a section fully extended (section were only 4ft long) or fully shut. It did work quite well, but I realised that it would be a very hard pole to manufacture and be reliable for customers use. I have still got a couple of drawings of other ideas for a clampless pole (different to Peters), but at the moment I do not see this as a viable mainstream product for me to pursue. Some of our factory engineers bought one of Peter's clampless poles (as seen on youtube) to see what they thought of it (we also have Ionics, Facelift, Brodex, Omnipole, Unger, Emporium and Skypole). When designing and manufacturing any products it is good to be fully aware of all ideas out in the market place.
I like Peter's approach to many items, but at the moment I am reserving judgment on his poles until I experience his latest offering. As most know we happily stock and sell other manufactures poles/equipment in fact it is usually more profitable to do so as you do not have the development and stock holding issues to deal with. However we only do this when we are completely happy with a product, or feel that it has something good to offer to at least some of our clients. If and when Peter's new pole becomes a viable retail offering for distributors, then I am sure we will think carefully about selling it. Rather than viewing a rivals new product as a problem it is always better to see if it has anything of value to offer to the end user and then see if you can sell it as well. :)
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Thanks Peter,
i liked the idea of a clampless pole, but my idea was a bit different, where the pole has some kind of rachet / spring held clamp so you lift it to whatever height you require and as soon as you stop the ratchet thingy would clamp it that way, i thought it was some internal mechanism that held the pole this way, so you could just chuck the sections up to whatever height and it automatically held the pole in place, then to lower you just have a little button or something. Not quite there yet though. Still a good idea.
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Thanks Peter,
i liked the idea of a clampless pole, but my idea was a bit different, where the pole has some kind of rachet / spring held clamp so you lift it to whatever height you require and as soon as you stop the ratchet thingy would clamp it that way, i thought it was some internal mechanism that held the pole this way, so you could just chuck the sections up to whatever height and it automatically held the pole in place, then to lower you just have a little button or something. Not quite there yet though. Still a good idea.
That is exactly what it does Jon, except there is no ratchet spring thingies to go wrong, or need replaced. You do just chuck it up to the desired height and it stays in place, and then just let the hose go to close it.
Peter
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The clampless pole, what a great idea. I built myself a 21ft clampless pole, much on the lines of Peter's pole about 2 1/2 years ago (still got it and another in my garage). I used it in my own work for about 4 months, trying out different ideas with it. I didn't think of trying Peter's subsequent idea of using the hose to hold the pole up, rather I developed a fitting that would hold the pole either with a section fully extended (section were only 4ft long) or fully shut. It did work quite well, but I realised that it would be a very hard pole to manufacture and be reliable for customers use. I have still got a couple of drawings of other ideas for a clampless pole (different to Peters), but at the moment I do not see this as a viable mainstream product for me to pursue. Some of our factory engineers bought one of Peter's clampless poles (as seen on youtube) to see what they thought of it (we also have Ionics, Facelift, Brodex, Omnipole, Unger, Emporium and Skypole). When designing and manufacturing any products it is good to be fully aware of all ideas out in the market place.
I like Peter's approach to many items, but at the moment I am reserving judgment on his poles until I experience his latest offering. As most know we happily stock and sell other manufactures poles/equipment in fact it is usually more profitable to do so as you do not have the development and stock holding issues to deal with. However we only do this when we are completely happy with a product, or feel that it has something good to offer to at least some of our clients. If and when Peter's new pole becomes a viable retail offering for distributors, then I am sure we will think carefully about selling it. Rather than viewing a rivals new product as a problem it is always better to see if it has anything of value to offer to the end user and then see if you can sell it as well. :)
Alex, I thought you might have adopted that attitude and you are quite right. Pity everyone never had the same attitude.
I have come accross those that dosn't grasp the simplicity of the workings of the pole. Like Jon people expect springs and ratchets to hold the pole up. To me this is a method of clamping, and hence more things to go wrong.
I have sold quite a few of the Universal clamp-less poles, and it is amazing how many people come on the phone and say the pole won't stay up, they expect hydraulics and all sorts of things. I usually have to explain how the pole works and then they go away quite happy.
Peter
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how does this pole work as you say there is nothing locking it at height. i presume the new one will not be a modified universal pole then as they are way to heavy. also what heights are you looking to produce?
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i use a facelift pole and its lasted 2 years now its taken a lot of battering and is starting to wear in parts.as this is happening ive noticed the clamps dont last as long.is there any pole with a clamp that doesnt need to be replaced
Durapole clamps will never need replacing. Will out last any pole on the market.
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Foxman as a supplier your self. The original topic question was ....
i use a facelift pole and its lasted 2 years now .is there any pole with a clamp that doesnt need to be replaced
Peter's pole doesnt seem to need any clamps that need to be replaced.
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i will drill the hole bigger and feed the microbore through and use that to see if its easy just holding the hose to keep it at the right length. I can see it working but just not what i expected. I would still like the clamps please. Thanks
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I don't think so. The time saving with this type of pole is so great that if a supplier doesn't make it available to his customers, he will doing exactly what is stated.
Peter, i must say that is a very bold statement and complete rubbish unless you can back it up......
You must realise that suppliers dont only sell to the 'fan boys' but to large customers with nationwide accounts, they need tools which will work and last.
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as all our work is commercial, im interested in a pole that can make us more productive, but I have serious doubts about the longevity of this type of pole. must of our work is big, ie working at one height for over an hour. so this type of pole would prob be of no benefit to us. so thats why i questioned peters statement. I can understand what foxman is saying, although he could say it a little better ;)
lets hope peter doesn't have to give too many refunds with his money back offer.
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i will drill the hole bigger and feed the microbore through and use that to see if its easy just holding the hose to keep it at the right length. I can see it working but just not what i expected. I would still like the clamps please. Thanks
You should be able to pull the hose through the hole that is already there. Do you have the braided hose supplied with the pole?
Peter
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how does this pole work as you say there is nothing locking it at height. i presume the new one will not be a modified universal pole then as they are way to heavy. also what heights are you looking to produce?
Craig, the pole is held at any desired height by the pole hose. I will have a 24 foot pole closing to under 4 foot, and a 38 foot closing to just under 6 foot.
The new one won't be a modified Universal, it will be made from scratch, hopefully very strong, very light, and very rigid, at a good price, but we will have to wait and see if all of this can be achieved.
Peter
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I don't think so. The time saving with this type of pole is so great that if a supplier doesn't make it available to his customers, he will doing exactly what is stated.
Peter, i must say that is a very bold statement and complete rubbish unless you can back it up......
You must realise that suppliers dont only sell to the 'fan boys' but to large customers with nationwide accounts, they need tools which will work and last.
Foxman, every statement could be classed as rubbish unless it can be backed up, and I plan to do just that.
I realise that large companies with nation wide accounts need tools that stand up to the job and last, and the less parts there is on a product, the less that is there to go wrong, and less down time.
Peter
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as all our work is commercial, im interested in a pole that can make us more productive, but I have serious doubts about the longevity of this type of pole. must of our work is big, ie working at one height for over an hour. so this type of pole would prob be of no benefit to us. so thats why i questioned peters statement. I can understand what foxman is saying, although he could say it a little better ;)
lets hope peter doesn't have to give too many refunds with his money back offer.
I don't understand where the longevity doubt comes in, do you mean that you can't see it saving much time? or is it something different?
I understand where your coming from when you say the pole is set at the one height for over an hour, but there is no disadvantage with a clamp less pole over a clamped one. How many times on a long window have you noticed something on the level above that is not cleaned properly? You have to lower the pole, adjust the pole to heighten it, put it back up to the window, only to lower it down again to carry on where you left off. Now imagine a quick flick and you are on the bit you missed, and two seconds later you are back working where you left off. This is only one advantage with a clamp-less pole on the type of windows you mentioned.
But of course the sections that the pole is made with in the first place has to be of at least the same standard as the sections available with a clamped pole. But we are talking new technology here, and could the sections be any better than what is available today? Maybe, how much of todays poles are designed with the clamps in mind, and if there is no clamps can the sections be made differently? We will have to wait and see.
Peter
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Peter
What if you have to let go of the pole, lean it against the building say & nip to turn flow up/down or whatever?
Tony
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Peter
What if you have to let go of the pole, lean it against the building say & nip to turn flow up/down or whatever?
Tony
Hi Tony good question. The flow is preset and shouldn't need adjusted, and the water is turned on and off at the brush itself. OK if you did want to adjust the flow, or light a cigarette or whatever, and you needed to take your hands off the pole, then lower the pole and put it back up when your ready to go again. It only takes seconds anyway, and that is it's main advantage. When working around houses no need to wrestle with the pole around and under washing lines etc. just let the pole down, then put it back up.
Best not to leave a pole on it's own while it is extended, best to lower it and put it back up when you want to use it again. It only takes a second for the wind to catch it.
Peter
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Peter
What if you have to let go of the pole, lean it against the building say & nip to turn flow up/down or whatever?
Tony
Hi Tony good question. The flow is preset and shouldn't need adjusted, and the water is turned on and off at the brush itself. OK if you did want to adjust the flow, or light a cigarette or whatever, and you needed to take your hands off the pole, then lower the pole and put it back up when your ready to go again. It only takes seconds anyway, and that is it's main advantage. When working around houses no need to wrestle with the pole around and under washing lines etc. just let the pole down, then put it back up.
Best not to leave a pole on it's own while it is extended, best to lower it and put it back up when you want to use it again. It only takes a second for the wind to catch it.
Peter
Thanks, sounds interesting.
Tony
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not heard of durapole clamps .where would i get one
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i will drill the hole bigger and feed the microbore through and use that to see if its easy just holding the hose to keep it at the right length. I can see it working but just not what i expected. I would still like the clamps please. Thanks
The clamps are on the way, you should get them tomorrow or the next day.
Peter
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not heard of durapole clamps .where would i get one
the durapole is a new pole from wcw, carbon fibre 45ft, we are using one at the moment, and have to say its pretty good. its a well engineered pole and tough, lasted over 10 months now with NO breakages, which is amazing as its being used by our guys. ;D
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Peter, i must say that is a very bold statement and complete rubbish unless you can back it up......
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Durapole clamps will never need replacing. Will out last any pole on the market.
Bold statements & complete rubbish ??? pot calling kettle black ::)
Tony
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Peter, i must say that is a very bold statement and complete rubbish unless you can back it up......
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Durapole clamps will never need replacing. Will out last any pole on the market.
Bold statements & complete rubbish ??? pot calling kettle black ::)
Tony
Here we go ::) There is no pot calling at all. Read the context of that statement (if you can understand what that means). They will outlast the Facelift i know that much ;)
Send me one foxman (mate :P) i'd like to test one, if it is indeed as good as you say i'll report so. The clamps may be good but is the pole? would a fiesta be any better for having ferrari wheels on it? ;)
Tony
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Might just do that Tony! Are you going to Windex?
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Might just do that Tony! Are you going to Windex?
Blimey, that was quick ;D. not going to windex. the durapole- is it exlcusive to wcw?
Do you have if manufactured for you to your unique spec?
Tony
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Problem is that there are getting to be too many poles around! Loads coming out of the U.S now WFP is starting to take off over there - every week we get approached to stock a new pole,
I don't think you can get too many poles. It can only mean much cheaper prices.
peter