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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cat9921 on February 26, 2008, 05:03:47 pm

Title: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: cat9921 on February 26, 2008, 05:03:47 pm
I do the frames on first clean, But some say no need, its over to you lot   ;)
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: robbie14000 on February 26, 2008, 05:07:39 pm
We do top frame every time.
Thanks Robbie
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Ian Rushmore on February 26, 2008, 05:08:52 pm
Why?

Just keep to the glass.

The clue is is in the title 'window cleaner'
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: d s windowcleaning on February 26, 2008, 05:12:28 pm
i do the frames every time whats the point in doing it just on the first cleans ,once they done its easy to keep on top of them .
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: steve m on February 26, 2008, 05:13:42 pm
it may be in the title, but when they come and fit new windows, they fit more than just the glass!!!. we are window cleaners so we clean the whole window including the tops, if we were glazing cleaners we would do just the glass. As already said its in the title
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: GMG on February 26, 2008, 05:18:31 pm
Do you clean tops of the frames with vents in
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: steve m on February 26, 2008, 05:21:34 pm
yeh, just run the brush straight over from side to side, never had a problem yet. We tend to squeegee the bottoms for the first couple of washes just to make sure, but thats about it
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: poleman on February 26, 2008, 05:25:12 pm
Its industry standard practise to clean the top of the frame and I agree we are not glass cleaners! we are window cleaners  ;)

And how close is close to the top of the frame before it gets splashed, you just give your self a lot of problems when NOT cleaning the top of the frame

Andy
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: steve m on February 26, 2008, 05:28:39 pm
we clean the WHOLE frame. Right up to the soffits and down each edge by the brickwork. I just cant see the point not to, all your doing ( in my view ) is making work for yourself making sure that you dont get the frames
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Dale Smith on February 26, 2008, 05:30:24 pm
We always clean the top.... less problems if you do IMO  ;)
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: poleman on February 26, 2008, 05:36:21 pm
Once that top frame has had its first clean, then regular cleans they just need seconds to wipe over, and not only that your giving a better service, which helps with recommendations (think you spell it like that)

Andy 
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: steve m on February 26, 2008, 05:39:06 pm
the amaount of work I pick up by just doing the whole frames. At one point it was three a day as the other w/cer was trad and didnt do the frames
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Sir Squeaky on February 26, 2008, 06:01:22 pm
Mostly, but it definately depends on the job.
Could cause more problems than it solves sometimes.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: frames to panes on February 26, 2008, 06:06:05 pm
Always for me too. I think there is too much scope for spotting otherwise. I'm not accurate enough to get away with glass only. Watch your brush on the up stroke - it flicks the bristles and sends water droplets onto the top frame. I know some get away with it but i can't see the point.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: gsw on February 26, 2008, 06:53:19 pm
Why?

Just keep to the glass.

The clue is is in the title 'window cleaner'

there are car washers and car valeters.... the valeters charge more for the same job. Me i'm a window valeter......frames and sills included, makes no difference if I use wfp or ladder.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: [GQC] Tim on February 26, 2008, 06:55:15 pm
If you use wfp you should clean the frames IMO. That's a fantastic plus for the customer. Trad will charge extra, wfp not. One reason for them (even if it occasionally spots) to stick with you. You deliver the most complete service.

It really looks nice with shiny white frames. When you look at a window, and the frames are dirty, even if it's just the tops, it really ruins the whole picture.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Sir Squeaky on February 26, 2008, 07:36:01 pm
Why?

Just keep to the glass.

The clue is is in the title 'window cleaner'

there are car washers and car valeters.... the valeters charge more for the same job. Me i'm a window valeter......frames and sills included, makes no difference if I use wfp or ladder.
Do you go around the rubbers with tyre shine? ;D
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Ian Rushmore on February 26, 2008, 07:41:45 pm
Why?

Just keep to the glass.

The clue is is in the title 'window cleaner'

there are car washers and car valeters.... the valeters charge more for the same job. Me i'm a window valeter......frames and sills included, makes no difference if I use wfp or ladder.
Then you have to charge more for doing this. When our window cleaner does ours I can look out and see clear glass - I don't give a monkey what the plastics like. I wouldn't pay more to have the plastic cleaned, anymore more than if the guy cleaned the stone cladding.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Ian Rushmore on February 26, 2008, 07:43:07 pm
When you look at a window, and the frames are dirty, even if it's just the tops, it really ruins the whole picture.
This is ok for the bottoms but the tops under the eves its so dark you can't see the dirt from the dark area so why bother?
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: steve m on February 26, 2008, 08:04:19 pm
do the frames for two reasons.

1/  You can go at the window like a bull in a china shop cos it dont matter where the water goes your gonna clean it anyway

2/ A good sales point. " all frames cleaned at no extra cost". If your getting something for nothing, all the better
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: simbo on February 26, 2008, 08:52:58 pm
All the glass only cleaners have enabled me to get better prices for my proper job, customers love it
simbo
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on February 26, 2008, 10:48:51 pm
All the glass only cleaners have enabled me to get better prices for my proper job, customers love it
simbo
exactly ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Wayne Thomas on February 26, 2008, 11:33:30 pm
If you don't scrub the top frame and let the dirt build up.......what happens if there is a heavy downpour on the day you've cleaned the windows?   I always clean the top frame even if it's raining.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Helen on February 27, 2008, 09:25:02 am
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Then you have to charge more for doing this. When our window cleaner does ours I can look out and see clear glass - I don't give a monkey what the plastics like. I wouldn't pay more to have the plastic cleaned, anymore more than if the guy cleaned the stone cladding.
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You may not care about your plastics, but most custies do want the frames cleaned and expect it to be included.  ;D
Think you will find that most of us who include the frames as being part of the window....which they are....... have allowed for this in pricing. We have never yet had a custie say I just want the glass cleaned and we would never offer this service anyway.
Anyway, why do you employ another WC to do your own when you could do them yourself ;D
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Ian Rushmore on February 27, 2008, 12:26:42 pm
It's cheaper for me to get someon else to do them, as he only charges £7, and as my minimum charge is £17 I am laughing.   ;D Of course, I don't tell him that, but that's life - tough.
Title: Re: Do you need to scrub the top frames
Post by: Helen on February 29, 2008, 01:34:22 pm
It's cheaper for me to get someon else to do them, as he only charges £7, and as my minimum charge is £17 I am laughing.   ;D Of course, I don't tell him that, but that's life - tough.
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