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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: markpowell on February 26, 2008, 02:55:04 pm
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I would like to know which is the best product for cleaning analine leather and where to purchase from, cheers guys!
Mark
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Hi,
To be honest. I do not think it matters a great deal what product you use. Aniline is very difficult to clean to a reasonable standard as it is extremely difficult to get the dirt out.
Rather than a pigmented leather where the dirt is on the surface, an aniline has most of the time absorbed the dirt/stains etc.
I never offer to clean aniline, but rather to clean & then restore it.
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Aniline leather does not clean in the same way as pigmented leather. As it is absorbent most of your cleaning product will soak into the leather before you have time to do much cleaning. There are ways you can get round this to enable you to do some cleaning but the results do not usually look very good and customers would generally not be able to see any difference. We have found that using our leather protector the colour is lifted and so applying this can make the job look better.
However, as most anilines fade natrually they restore very well with the use of aniline dyes (not balms) and usually this can be done very quickly and successfully. The results are very impressive and have that 'wow' factor for the customer.
The photo here shows the restoration process half way through which shows the benefit. Cleaning alone would not have made much difference.
If you want any more info please give me a ring on 01423 881027.
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg147/judy105b/Anilinerestoration.jpg)
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However, as most anilines fade natrually they restore very well with the use of aniline dyes (not balms) and usually this can be done very quickly and successfully. The results are very impressive and have that 'wow' factor for the customer.
You are right, leather balms are no good. You can only get results like this with them;
(http://www.furnitureclinic.co.uk/images/recbalmhalf.jpg)
Its a shame as well because they don't need colour matching and only cost £5 to do a full three piece suite.
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Balms are pigment based products which cannot entirely soak into the leather which is why they do not work so well and there is always the possibility of them coming off on clothing.
The good thing about aniline dyes is that they never come off on clothing as they entirely soak into the leather, they are the original products used in the leather production process (where aniline leather gets its name from) and as you do not need any particular colour matching it is a straightforward process. The cost for a 3 piece suite would be about the same or you can add an aniline finish over the top (yes this would cost extra) but the suite would be a lot more serviceable once it was done.
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I'd be happy with that Ben, have you got any plans for a training day?
PS, saw your advert in TG :)
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Training courses for this work are available in April and May £35.00 + vat. Book now.
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I'd be happy with that Ben, have you got any plans for a training day?
Hi,
We have a training course on the 7/8 April with some spaces left. There is also the option of staying for a 3rd day, on the 9th. Unfortunately we do not have anything available sooner.
We will be available to talk to at the CCDO if you are attending.
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Judy, there still looks like lots of grease in the back cushion head areas, I would have degreased them more before applying the colour. Also advise Andy to use sliders on customers furniture as the sofa's feet are not only scratching your nice polished floor but also taking some of the wood off via splitering ( right leg) sliders will protect the wooden feet as you move it around.
Ben is that the Grisom you have used on that ?. Also is it straight balm or have you put a finish on it, looks quite shinney?
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Paul,
No, it was the leather re-colouring balm. The shines just caused by the flash of the camera.
The balm is self sealing and does not need a finish applied to it. However, I would advise always applying leather protection cream afterwards.
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Used the balms on analine leather with no problems,never had it come off on clothing ??? All my customers have been very happy with the results which is what counts.
At the cost of about a fiver a tub its a good little earner too.
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Paul job done in our workshop so no problem with floor (although this can be done in customers house).
There was no grease in the leather to start with so no need for degreasing but this is an option if it is required.
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Yep, see you CCDO Ben.
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I have a wax pull up suite and Grison restored it to new didn't take long. Just wondering about Analine dye and how it is applied?The reason for asking is that will this be a 'runnier' dye as it has to soak in to the leather unlike pigmented which dries on the leather.
Shaun
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An aniline cannot be restored to new with a balm as balms are pigment based products so they change the nature of the leather as the pigment element sits on the surface. The colour cannot soak into the surface as with aniline dyes.
Aniline dyes are very liquid products which soak into the leather to redye it. It is applied by hand and coats can be applied until it stops absorbing. The process is very easy and straightforward. It is also the true way of restoring anilines. If you are using pigments then you are not correctly restoring an aniline. The strength of the dye can be altered to suit the situation and level of fading and restoration required.
It should never be stated that any suite can be restored to new as this is open to all sorts of problems.
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Is it possible to restore the colour of an aniline when it has been bleached almost white by the sun on a brown settee.Is the original dye just drum soaked in or is heat or pressure used to get the depth of colour.
I have seen some suites that are aniline ,but when you look closely the back/sides etc are splits that have been pigmented to match ,sort of a two tone effect , but very effective. I suppose two tones were made to try and give that natural look of an aniline but with more practical protection.
Mike
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Judy when applying aniline dye how do you apply it?
Shaun
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Judy when applying aniline dye how do you apply it?
Shaun
Sponge
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Re: Varieties of Aniline Leather Types
Pure Aniline
Aniline
Semi-Aniline
Wax Pull-Up Aniline
Oil Pull-Up Aniline
Well these are the varieties of Aniline Types and each has its particular characteristic.
We shall say that the cleaning aspect should be more “Science” based and the refinishing (coloring & top-coating) more of an “Art” based.
So put is simple for easy reference for leather: “Cleaning is Science and Refinishing is Art”.
Can we all here agree?
Roger Koh
IICRC #942
Master Textile Cleaner
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Definately 100% correct and couldn't be put any better.
When I started cleaning and dyeing I did get a few 'offish' finishes but with time and practice and talking to loads of people you get the knowledge to move on to the next step but like you said above Roger I agree.
Shaun
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When technical pursue is not based on Science First and Art Second it’s chaotic!
Science is based on proven facts!
Art is based on proven practices!
Both faculties when embraced will set us free to experience on the right track with no regret!
That’s the secret to Clean & Grow Rich in Leather.
With a Win-Win-Win (supplier-technician-customer) principle!
Roger Koh
IICRC#942
Master Fire & Smoke Restorer
www.f.com
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Shaun
You would apply aniline dye with a lint free cloth (ones that do not absorb too much product). If you tried applying with a sponge you would waste a lot of product and not get an even application.
Mike
We have seen a pigment coated outside back and arms with an aniline interior. You would be able to verify this with your micrscope which is essential before beginning any cleaning and/or restoration process. These areas would not fade like an aniline. You are right about why they create two tones or micropigments.
It is possible to get depth of colour back in to suites that have been bleached but there are problems if you have harsh lines (as in the one you are dealing with at the moment) We will contact you today regarding this.
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This thread is about “The Science of Aniline Leather Cleaning”, so stay with all our cleaning ideas and experiences before rushing into “The Art of Aniline Leather Refinishing”.
Professional Aniline Leather Cleaning covers the following topics:
A. Spots & Stains:
1 Urine Stain
2 Blood Stain
3 Beer Stains
4 Coffee Stain
5 Tea Stain
6 Catsup Stain
7 Ballpoint Ink Stain
8 Blue Jean Dye Transfer Stain
9 Oil Oxidized Stain (Yellowing)
10 Curry Stain
11 Milk Stain
12 Vomit Stain
13 Tarnish Stain
14 Latex Paint Stain
15 Berry Stain
16 Wine Stain
17 Grass Stain
18 Soot & Smoke Stain
19 Crayon Stain
20 Dye Stain
21 Food Stain
22 Ink Stain
23 India Ink Stain
24 Stamp Pad Ink Stain
25 Lipstick Stain
26 Meat Sauce Stain
27 Nail Polish Stain
28 Sperm Stain
29 Solvent Based Stain
30 Perspiration Stain, etc, etc, etc.
B. pH Neutralizer:
31 Acidifier
32 Basifier
C. Specialty:
33 Spew Remover
34 Anti-Microbial
D. Deodorizing:
35 Body Oil Odor
36 Cigarette Smoke Odor
37 General Fire Smoke Odor
38 Urea Odor
39 Perspiration Odor
40 Musty Odor
41 Protein Decay Odor
E. Preconditioner:
42 Extra Heavy Duty Preconditioner
43 Heavy Duty Preconditioner
44 Preconditioner
F. Degreaser:
45 Leather Structure Degreaser
46 Leather Surface Degreaser
G. Cleaner:
47 Universal Leather Safe (pH 3-5) Cleaner
H. Rinse:
48 Universal Leather Safe (pH 3-5) Acidifier Rinse
I. Fatliquoring:
49 Original Fatliquor Replenishing
J. Leather Structure Conditioning:
50 Leather Cardboard Stiffness Conditioning
51 Crease & Wrinkle Conditioning
K. Leather Surface Conditioning:
52 Patchiness (Uneven Leather Surface Tension)
L. Leather Effect Replenishing:
53 Oil-Pull Up Effect
54 Wax Pull-Up Effect
M. Tactile Feel Conditioning:
55 Buttery Feel
56 Draggy Feel
57 Waxy Feel
58 Silky Feel
N. Non-Stick Conditioning:
59 Non-Film Forming Non-Stick Barrier
O. Leather Scent Conditioning:
60 Classic Leather Scent
There is no “which is the best product for cleaning analine leather”.
We need a wide collection of Effective Leather Safe (pH 3-5) system products.
There may be the occasional one bottle magic portion touted; but it’s all about the understanding and practices of “Leather Science” that produces the desired result worthy to be called a Leather Professional.
When the above Cleaning Science topics are exhausted then we shall proceed with the next faculty “The Art of Aniline Leather Refinishing”.
Now post your topics of interest please?
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
www.f.com
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Roger what are the best products to use for grease removal and use from aniline, out of your forthcoming kits?
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Wow just wehn you think you are getting the hang of things and then that shopping list comes along!
Shaun
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A. Preconditioner:
1 preCleaner3.7™ (X)
2 superCleaner4.0™ (X)
3 ultraCleaner4.5™
B. Degreaser:
1 deGreaser4.1™ (Leather Surface Degreaser)
2 deGreaser3.1™ (Leather Structure Degreaser)
C. Spotter:
1 spotter4.6™
2 ink7.7™ (Note, pH is out of the leather safe pH 3-5 range)
Use above products in descending order (A > C) to match severity of soiling (Grease).
D. Must Follow By:
cleaner3.8™ > rinse3.0™
E. Highly Recommended – Replenish Original Fatliquor.
fatliquor5.0™
F. Highly Recommended – Replenish Original Pull-Up Effect.
oilEffect2.8™
waxEffect9.9™
G. Highly Recommended – Leather Scent Non-Stick Feel Conditioner.
leatherScent’B™ (buttery feel) - semi-aniline leathers
leatherScent’S™ (silky feel) - pure aniline leathers
leatherScent’W™ (waxy feel) - aniline leathers
leatherScent’D™ (draggy feel) - nude (veg-tanned) leathers
Note:
(X) – not with this forthcoming kit.
Remember! There are still varieties of aniline leathers, so have to be specific!
Otherwise we make a pariah out of a leather type (leather characteristics distortion).
Be proud of our Profession and do it right the first time, every time!
Products suffix denotes the pH value of product.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
www.f.com
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I'll get my coat ;D
Shaun