Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Captain Scarlet on February 26, 2008, 02:50:52 pm
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Well on my last job today the pump decided to stop working so I was inspecting it for a while, checking connection etc etc but nothing. So I concluded it was an air lock so gave the pump a few knocks, and we hey it started again!
So went to the pole and nothing! So went back only to find the electrical fitting on the front of the pump ( white plastic piece on red wire into pump ) smoking, so turned the varistream off quickly and pulled it out.
So I checked the fuse...fine. Then plugged the wire back into the pump and started it and gave it some more knocks but it started smoking again. So stopped it again
So decided to get my screwdriver and open up this far left part of the pump ( 3 screws )
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GhhGkMoTL._AA280_.jpg)
The bit with the two red wire going in.
Inside was a spring and a small plastic piece, so I thought maybe the spring was the cause so I extended ( strechted ) it a bit and replaced everthing...then it worked and carried on working just fine.
So when I got home not long back just felt the part with the wire going in to see if it was hot, it was quite warm but dont know it thats normal as Ive never felt it before!
If it gets knackered its fine as I have a spare pump now,
Luke
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Do you also do home electric repairs? ;D
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Luke if you are using the Varistream those wires should have been removed, it does say this on the fitting instructions.
Roy
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My system was all fitted, Luke
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Sounds like a sticking pressure switch. Fiddling with the spring will have freed it.
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Did they install it with those wire connected then?
Because if they did they are wrong check the diagram on this link.
http://www.williamsonpumps.com/VARISTREAM.html
Roy
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Roy the system is wired all fine.
I just went out to try it now and it wouldnt work so I replaced all them parts with the ones off the new pump. It sounds like the small white ring was sticking and the spring was wrong, heres some pictures of the old ones. The pump is working fine now with all the new bits off my spare pump:
(http://lh6.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R8Q3su9naNI/AAAAAAAAA58/mVCw3aQpDSw/IMG_2955.JPG?imgmax=512)
(http://lh5.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R8Q3ue9naOI/AAAAAAAAA6E/lrHsNpzUiTg/IMG_2956.JPG?imgmax=512)
(http://lh4.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R8Q3vO9naPI/AAAAAAAAA6M/_v_2R05JbiQ/IMG_2957.JPG?imgmax=512)
I think I might give it all a clean and replace it and see if it works later, if not I will just buy a new one for my spare pump! Luke
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luke i agree with roy harding them wires should not be in use , i thought the idea of a varistream was to replace the pressure switch , the section youve removed is the pressure switch that shouldnt even be in use .
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I thought the varisteam protected the pressure switch not replaced it. Anyway I just unplugged those wires and without them the pump doesnt work, Luke
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luke i agree with roy harding them wires should not be in use , i thought the idea of a varistream was to replace the pressure switch , the section youve removed is the pressure switch that shouldnt even be in use .
Spot on.
Roy
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it should work if you unplug and completely remove the wires to the pressure switch, the black and red wires at the back of the pump should go straight to the varistream.
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no luke it dos replace your pressure switch , you say you had you system fitted and if its fitted wrongly which it is then you should be able to take it back and have it replaced its there fault mate not yours the 2 wires that go to the vari stream come from the top of the pump .
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Ok this is how mine is wired:
(http://lh6.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R8REpu9naQI/AAAAAAAAA6s/P4F3Lh4AncQ/pump.JPG?imgmax=400)
and your saying this is how it should be wired with a varistream:
(http://lh5.google.co.uk/rupertthehair/R8RFEe9naRI/AAAAAAAAA60/FlISnnPm9YQ/pump%202.JPG?imgmax=400)
ok so thats easy enough to change, so the benefits are:
the pressure switch is no longer used?
anything else?
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yes bottom picture is correct way for wires to go , benifit being your varistream will now be wired correctly and you shouldnt get smoke . if i was you mate id be in touch with those who fitted it as it was done wrong mate .
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Ok then I will wire it up properly later. The fitters did wire it up correctly just not in the optimum way. Ive lost nothing so whats the point in complaining, Luke
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Thanks for all your help Roy and Dave! Luke
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no luke - the fitters didn't do it right at all -williamson pumps tell you in the instructions that you must remove the connecting wire to the pressure switch.
Poor
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luke if youve now changed the wireing you minght need to adjust the blue dial inside the varistream you will find out better the next time you use it .
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Hello Luke
They guys on here are correct - your Varistream appears to have been wired up incorrectly. Change the wiring to the new diagram and it should be fine. When a Varistream is fitted it takes over from the the pressure switch. All this does now is block up the hole in the end of the pump!
It sounds like your pressure switch has still been working, hence the burnt unit.
I have emailed you a full set of operating & installation instructions, and details on how to set up the shut off to the correct pressure.
Martin
Williamson Pumps Ltd
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Great, thank you very much Martin!!! Thats very kind of you :) Luke
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Who fitted the system luke, it was wcw wasn't it?
Tony
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Hope you've not gone shy luke, surely those "experts?" could not have made such a fundamental error?
Tony
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It doesnt matter who the system was fitted by. What matters is now I can change it! They by no means did it wrong, just didnt do it the optimum way! I dont like naming and shaming because I feel like my fitter did a good job and I had a good deal. Luke
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But wouldn't it only be fair to make fellow members aware of who could also supply them with an incorrectly wired pump? :o
Tony
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Can i play too?
Are they the ones who fitted your tank with that dodgey strap that goes the wrong way? ;)
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It doesnt matter who the system was fitted by. What matters is now I can change it! They by no means did it wrong, just didnt do it the optimum way! I dont like naming and shaming because I feel like my fitter did a good job and I had a good deal. Luke
i dont want to cause a fall out but really mate they DID do it wrong because the point of a varistream is that it by passes the pressure switch
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It doesnt matter who the system was fitted by. What matters is now I can change it! They by no means did it wrong, just didnt do it the optimum way! I dont like naming and shaming because I feel like my fitter did a good job and I had a good deal. Luke
i dont want to cause a fall out but really mate they DID do it wrong because the point of a varistream is that it by passes the pressure switch
Don't you dare question the expertise of a supplier that cleans some big buildings in london! :o
Tony
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Oh, and I'd love Luke to tell you how much he paid for everything he had! I think anyone would put up with unplugging the two connectors on the pump for that ;D
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Oh, and I'd love Luke to tell you how much he paid for everything he had! I think anyone would put up with unplugging the two connectors on the pump for that ;D
Not an excuse sorry mate. If I as a DIY'er can read the manual, so should a business after 3 years.
Could potentially have started a fire aswell.
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Start a fire?? ???
It would be the maker of the Varistream fault if that was the case, there is no warning on the instructions about that happening.
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It was more fun when you were knocking Gardiners eh Foxman? ;D
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Yup ;D ;D
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Dont worry foxman, I was happy with my system!! ( please leave it alone macmac!!! ) You didnt need to come on here and reveal yourself mate, its a minor error, as you say we did a job on the way back down in South Wales!!!
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It doesnt matter who the system was fitted by. What matters is now I can change it! They by no means did it wrong, just didnt do it the optimum way! I dont like naming and shaming because I feel like my fitter did a good job and I had a good deal. Luke
Dont give foxman a hard time as I said it was unimportant who fitted the system, the way it was set up it all worked fine, I always promote WCW because they are the cheapest in the UK ( I know, I searched for weeks finding the cheapest supplier ) And whenever I have had a problem they have helped, there good guys and provide a good service. Oh and today I earned the most I ever have by myself, all thanks to my beautiful system. I didnt actually realise the wiring was wrong until somebody brought it to my attention on here! Luke
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But wouldn't it only be fair to make fellow members aware of who could also supply them with an incorrectly wired pump? :o
Tony
Tony, I know you have a hard time understanding things ::) it takes two seconds to remove the pressure switch connnectors from the pump - thats all it is. An oversite ::)
when Luke and his Dad, Keiran came down the system was fitted in, tested. worked and they left the warehouse and did a job on the way home.
We don't tend to fit systems in that much - but we've done over 300 in 3 years. Everyone of them happy - as far as i know. Can people say that about your window cleaning???? hmmmmmmm
PS. whats with the "experts"? I seem to have taught you a thing or two about resin in the last month- so bow to the knowledge - you might learn something outside of your little world !!
I'll bow & give you this one foxman, it made me chuckle. we'll have to have another resin debate again soon :-*
VERY BAD mistake though, quite amature in nature i thought ::)
Tony
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I think in life people do make mistakes, but thats is life. macmac have you got a personal axe to grind with the guys from wcw? judging from some of your comments on this thread I believe you do.
No but foxman does his fair share of knocking others & thinks he is superior in knowlage (what a laugh).
As he quoted " we don't fit many systems" Errr, yeah, we can tell ::)
So, they cock up the wiring on the pump then admit that they don't fit many systems! But (& this is the best bit) THEY'RE CHEAP! (good job by the sounds).
I think he would be better at driving tractors or lifting heavy things, anyway, just remember, (apparently) they're cheap. ;)
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mmmmm, by your reply, i think you have got a problem with foxman. TBH, it seems luke is happy with the job he has had done for him. So i ask why have you taken it on yourself to take this small problem with a set up and turn it into something it is not. Think it may be time to wind your neck in, we are supposed to be professionals, and you seem hell bent to turn it into a tit for tat battle with foxman and wcw. The problem has been sorted by luke very easily, and yes i agree it was a silly mistake to make by the fitter, but its sorted, no harm, no foul.
Got to love these keyboard warriors. Peace out.
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Thanks Craig!!! Luke