Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: joe.b on February 23, 2008, 04:49:48 pm
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anyone who hasn't got their van sign written, get it done, ive just put mine on and before id even finished, a neighbour came across and ive got a one off £80 gutters job and 4 weekly £8.00 windows.
i am so chuffed!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I got my best ever one off job because my van has sign writing £1500 :o
;D
Dean
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Hasn't made any difference to me.
I still get sod all.
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anyone who hasn't got their van sign written, get it done, ive just put mine on and before id even finished, a neighbour came across and ive got a one off £80 gutters job and 4 weekly £8.00 windows.
i am so chuffed!!! ;D ;D ;D
Well done, but a word of warning working for neighbours can be a pain in the a££e, i did it but prefer not to clean my own street now!!
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Hasn't made any difference to me.
I still get sod all.
What does it say, Rog?
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Hasn't made any difference to me.
I still get sod all.
You remind me of my brother, he goes around with a sour puss 24/7 moaning about anything he can, cop yourself on squeak ;D ;)
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i'v had a lot of work off my van signs.....when you consider the cost of the sign ,and the fact that you may have your van for a good few years , it's a cost effective form of advertising.....
as i used to work for a sign company ,,, i was able to put my graphics on myself ...£75 or there abouts.
just picking one job up eg £10 house / mnth will pay for it......
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Hasn't made any difference to me.
I still get sod all.
does it say 'miserable old sod, window cleaner'
not having a go at you squeaks,read about your probs,hope you feel better soon.
but you always seem so negative,I went WFP about 4 mths before you did .
WFP dosen't earn me more money just because its faster,its because its given me so much more enthusiasm(spelling) for working.
I'm sure my work is not much different to yours(mostly domestic) but honestly in 16 mths I've had one complaint(didn't like wfp so I still trad her house now)
You got to be more positive,I'm having my van signwritten soon,but to be honest I'm worried about getting to many calls.I've been going 27 yrs
Tim
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What's to be positive about?
Customers don't like wfp.
I don't get hardly any new work, even after spending £300 on signwriting,
New work I do get is 8 weekly and they don't like wfp.
New work is always £10 semis and crap.
(Other cleaners get asked by people which are £50+ jobs.)
My biggest job is £25.
I need some good jobs, but don't get any.
And I'm bloody good at my job too.
Try being me mate, it's
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Squeeks Know how you feel mate , but dont compare yourself to others on here as they dont have your circumstances ! If they did many I know wouldnt be able to cope ! You are doing ok give yourself some credit ;D
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i can understand squeaks, im in the same position, but ive had a real good boost today with whats happened
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squeeky how long wfp ??? ??? also got any local galleries round your way mate (the type that sells local artists stuff) if so get some of them pics mounted and framed and up for sale mate cos they are shush hot ;D must be crap being that talented ;)
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squeeky how long wfp ??? ??? also got any local galleries round your way mate (the type that sells local artists stuff) if so get some of them pics mounted and framed and up for sale mate cos they are shush hot ;D must be crap being that talented ;)
Ha ha! Cheers!
I'll see what I can do...
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chin up Squeaky, you have it alot better tha people in the continent of Africa, inafact the most of the world. Good food in ya belly and a job, maybe thinks arent perfect mate but thats the way life goes, keep it up, :) Luke
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What's to be positive about?
Customers don't like wfp.
I don't get hardly any new work, even after spending £300 on signwriting,
New work I do get is 8 weekly and they don't like wfp.
New work is always £10 semis and crap.
(Other cleaners get asked by people which are £50+ jobs.)
My biggest job is £25.
I need some good jobs, but don't get any.
And I'm bloody good at my job too.
Try being me mate, it's poo.
squeaks those £10 semis are just fine, plenty of them and you are on a good wage,
why do you want what others have?
my highest is £25 too, and any job i get is a sign of better times ahead,
you are usually more positive than that squeaky.
you may be on a downer.
your customers dont like wfp...?
why?
mine always comment on the whole of the window and frames shining, and doors also...
i even get letters in with my cheques from new customers saying brilliant, amazing..etc.
sad but true.
it makes me proud too.
head up squeaks.
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sqweeky...how long on wfp ??? i have some who are only coming round now and its been a year (10 cleans) so dont give up man, i sat and cried more than once after making switch,convinced it was all going t#ts up ,but new posters and flyers that now say "pure water cleaning" on em and still people are ringing up. for every one that dont like it there is 3 or more that dont care as long as they aint staring at bird crap on the french doors while they eat their coco pops ;D ;)
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Its strange how some seem to have all the probs with wfp and those who dont. I have had a trolley system for 3 years and still only use it on certain jobs. In fact the jobs I thought would be a prob werent and visa versa.
Rog why dont you do just the tops wfp and the bottom trad. I dont know if you do it in this way but I think that custys can understand the probs with ladders and by just doing tops you are compromising.
Back on subject I have the magnetic adverts that you put on the side of the car. They do work and in some areas it works more than in others. I mainly have them as people know who you are and what your doing in their area. Its great for commercial in this sense.
Steve
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WFP i love it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What's to be positive about?
Customers don't like wfp.
I don't get hardly any new work, even after spending £300 on signwriting,
New work I do get is 8 weekly and they don't like wfp.
New work is always £10 semis and crap.
(Other cleaners get asked by people which are £50+ jobs.)
My biggest job is £25.
I need some good jobs, but don't get any.
And I'm bloody good at my job too.
Try being me mate, it's poo.
get your camra out mate your worth it no more naggin customers ;D
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Getting back to the original topic,... I've just changed my van and I'm hoping to get the signwriting done next week,...................... but I'm running short on idea's!
Any chance you guys could post pics of your vans so I can "borrow" the best bits from each?? ;D ;D
BTW,.. I'm working on a logo to advertise my (soon to be delivered) hot system,... this is only an early draft, but I'd appreciate your comments:
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"Cracking" advert that, well you hope not! Does your insurance premium go up with a hot system to cover any cracked panes? That would be a worry to me, even Mr Sol has done one already. When you get it all set up, do you think you will use it on every job or just the filthy ones or just in the winter?
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I'll be using cold on all my regular work,.. I honestly don't see the need for hot on most of it. But I get a huge amount of "one off" cleans and irregular commercial work that would benefit from hot water.
I've asked the insurance company,... and to be honest they didn't seem to know or appreciate the difference, so the premium stays the same.
One thing that I'm fitting to my system that I don't think Mr Sol has, is a thermostatic mixing valve. That way I'm not relying only on the temp adjustment on the heater, I've an extra safety feature to make sure I NEVER get water going down the hose too hot. I'm told 40 deg C on double glazing in summer and 20 deg C in winter are safe,.. above that you're always taking a risk. Cold only on single glazing!
I've also got an inline thermometer with an overheat alarm (For showers in old folks homes!) which I'll have at the base of the pole hose.
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What's to be positive about?
Customers don't like wfp.
I don't get hardly any new work, even after spending £300 on signwriting,
New work I do get is 8 weekly and they don't like wfp.
New work is always £10 semis and crap.
(Other cleaners get asked by people which are £50+ jobs.)
My biggest job is £25.
I need some good jobs, but don't get any.
And I'm bloody good at my job too.
Try being me mate, it's poo.
Roger. My first year of WFP was a bit like that. Lost a few customers over it. Gained a few elsewhere. It can take a while for the moaners to be filtered out of your business. Ironically, some of my best work had had nothing to do with signwriting or with advertising. It's been about being in the right place at the right time - even when I've not actually been working. For instance, shortly before switching to WFP, I was getting a tyre changed after a puncture. I got chatting with a guy who was also getting a tyre changed (I had no signwriting at this stage). We had a bit of a laugh - the mutual "what do you do for a living" stuff. Ended up with two reasonable houses out of that exchange (a £30 and a £16). Nothing special but £46 x 8 cleans a year is £368 a year extra on the turnover. I even picked up a job in the dentist waiting room too. No, I don't bump into people in the street and ask if they want their windows cleaned either.
I really think you need a "heads up" and get out their to do a bit of canvassing. I know it can be difficult to feel positive at times. I've had enough of that in my own journey. But people do sense if someone is not feeling positive and it does repel them or encourage them to tread on the person who is not feeling so great about his lot.
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Getting back to the original topic,... I've just changed my van and I'm hoping to get the signwriting done next week,...................... but I'm running short on idea's!
Any chance you guys could post pics of your vans so I can "borrow" the best bits from each?? ;D ;D
BTW,.. I'm working on a logo to advertise my (soon to be delivered) hot system,... this is only an early draft, but I'd appreciate your comments:
Can't say there's anything special about mine. White text on a black van. No logos. Prominent phone numbers and what I do. Less prominent business name and web and email. I wanted to keep it simple as I reckon the van might be moving when some people see it.
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I'll be using cold on all my regular work,.. I honestly don't see the need for hot on most of it. But I get a huge amount of "one off" cleans and irregular commercial work that would benefit from hot water.
I've asked the insurance company,... and to be honest they didn't seem to know or appreciate the difference, so the premium stays the same.
One thing that I'm fitting to my system that I don't think Mr Sol has, is a thermostatic mixing valve. That way I'm not relying only on the temp adjustment on the heater, I've an extra safety feature to make sure I NEVER get water going down the hose too hot. I'm told 40 deg C on double glazing in summer and 20 deg C in winter are safe,.. above that you're always taking a risk. Cold only on single glazing!
I've also got an inline thermometer with an overheat alarm (For showers in old folks homes!) which I'll have at the base of the pole hose.
Sounds good!
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Getting back to the original topic,... I've just changed my van and I'm hoping to get the signwriting done next week,...................... but I'm running short on idea's!
Any chance you guys could post pics of your vans so I can "borrow" the best bits from each?? ;D ;D
BTW,.. I'm working on a logo to advertise my (soon to be delivered) hot system,... this is only an early draft, but I'd appreciate your comments:
do you do all types of cleaning nat? Cos if i wasn't in the game and came on here i wouldn't understand from your sign that you were a window cleaner.
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Getting back to the original topic,... I've just changed my van and I'm hoping to get the signwriting done next week,...................... but I'm running short on idea's!
Any chance you guys could post pics of your vans so I can "borrow" the best bits from each?? ;D ;D
BTW,.. I'm working on a logo to advertise my (soon to be delivered) hot system,... this is only an early draft, but I'd appreciate your comments:
do you do all types of cleaning nat? Cos if i wasn't in the game and came on here i wouldn't understand from your sign that you were a window cleaner.
That logo is meant to be only a secondary one, lower down on the sides of the van below all the "Window Cleaning" blurb and contact details, in much the same way as many ppl would use the "reach and wash" or "thermopure" logo. I don't want the "HOT" wfp to become my main selling point, because I think most custies don't know the difference or simply don't care,... but I don't want to leave it out of my advertising entirely either!
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Well for me, having my van sign written was a first rate move, it has without doubt paid for itself several times over.
I get very few phone calls as a result of it, but I regularly have people come over to the van as a result of it.
Often when sat in a supermarket car park!
I have no idea why Squeaky after 10 years only has enough work to just about fill up 4 days a week.
In all of my years window cleaning I have always picked up work without having to canvas for it (apart from when first building my round up of course) and there is not a week goes by without someone wanting a price.
Four years ago I had wound my round right down, was totally disenchanted with window cleaning, had just enough work to get by on, was barely turning over 15k a year.
Changed to WFP, regained my enthusiasm and now (without any active canvassing whatsoever) have so much work I can't get around it all in a month (domestic that is, not the commercial stuff).
I have no real complaints about WFP, far from it in fact, most of the comments I get are very positive, I even have one account that squeaks once had - who in Squeaks time utterly loathed WFP - who now loves WFP, and pays me a great deal more than she was paying Squeaky.
Perhaps my customers like WFP because I have total belief in it (and a full awareness of its negative points too I might add) and somehow project that in my demeanor.
Oh well, I'm late now, time to get my backside into work!
Ian
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.............I don't want the "HOT" wfp to become my main selling point, because I think most custies don't know the difference or simply don't care,... but I don't want to leave it out of my advertising entirely either!
Think you underestimate your customers, they dont know the difference between hot or cold? If given a choice they wouldnt choose hot cleaning over cold????..
Mark
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I had my last van sign written and got a lot of enquiries from it, but I have not had my new van sign written as I like to target just the type of houses that I want to clean, which I do with high quality flyers. That way I only get enquiries from the type of jobs that I want to do, and not high numbers of enquiries that I don't want. ;)
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I've seen a few guys that got a blank image of their van from a signwriter so they could photoshop a mockup of the desired result,..... anyone know where I can get a blank pic of a Pug Boxer from?
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Peugeot should have this on their website.